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Newcastle: United by faith, hope and stories?

Posted on July 6th, 2009 | 62 Comments |

If you can't say WHEYAYE, you're not coming in!
If you can't say WHEYAYE, you're not coming in!
Those Keegan years seem a long time ago, don’t they? The days when we were  everybody’s second team, when The Entertainers indirectly earned Sky a fortune as punters flocked to subscribe. When people admired and respected us and the North East was regarded highly as a region and so too were we as a group of canny, devout football followers. A bit daft maybe but ultimately a loyal, passionate and decent bunch of merry black and white-clad, funny talking hopefuls.

But on current form it seems the club is a long-running circus and we the fans are the biggest joke on the stage. Yet also disliked for our arrogance and a perceived lack of grace and humility. Oh for the days when we were proud!

Mind you, how much of a stuff do we really give about what people think? I mean seriously though?

Everyone makes a big deal of the Keegan era and yes it was nice, of course it was. Mainly because that attention I was referring to was a by-product of us playing some bloody good football. Certainly, it’s nice to be nice and conversely being paid compliments and to be thought of highly by others is OK with me.

But football fans are a cynical lot and due to rivalry, grudges and just for the craic, most opposition fans are happy to mock the afflicted given an opportunity. And we’re certainly fair game at the moment and have been for a while.

Journalists however, you would think, have little axe to grind other than with the intention of selling newspapers. And of course, therein lies the clue. They write what people want to read. Enjoying the demise of another club gives some fans that one-up-manship that more and more seem to crave. Therefore, reading about it in a neatly packaged broadsheet or tabloid assassination just makes the job a whole lot easier. And of course the irony is not lost that the type condemning us are the ones that championed our cause not so long ago. We certainly help them sell papers.

So much regurgitated tosh gets printed these days, that I barely have the stomach to read yet another shamelessly ill-informed and ignorant rant from hacks lacking the dignity and morals to ask the average Mag what they really think. We recognise our shortcomings, we know our strengths and many weaknesses. We’re realists if very occasionally dreamers. But then which fans aren’t? And football wouldn’t be much fun without the dreaming.

It’s widely regarded that we have some inherent over-bearing and unhealthy influence over our club. We turn too quickly, we shout too loud and generally we’re our own worst enemies who drag the club to it’s knees. Part of this is attributed to our alleged insularity and distrust of ‘outsiders’. Apparently, we demonstrate some form of regional jingoism. “Whey hinny, if ye wornt born within spittin distance of the Tyne ya not likely to understand what the Toon means to us, like.” Yes of course, we’re all flat-cap-wearing, whippet-racing imbeciles.

The theory becomes threadbare when you acknowledge that the finest example thrown back in our face, is our loyalty to Keegan. A man who has arguably saved the future of Newcastle United on three separate occasions and put us back on the map. The very reason people have the debate over whether we’re a ‘big club’ or not. A man who was born in Doncaster. Ergo not a local.

There may be irony in Keegan’s own platitudes, i.e. “it’s a special club” etc etc and the multitude of others who have muttered the same words. But much of that is done to unite, to give a belonging and create an affinity and that is not unique to Newcastle United. Listen to the interviews, every bugger does it. KK knew this club but he didn’t have to. He understood football and he understood football fans. That was all he needed to know. We didn’t interfere because we trusted him because he made it clear he knew what he was doing and that he would always be upfront with us.

I trust those who earn my trust whether they were born in London or Longbenton. KK earned my trust whether he ultimately disappointed me in some of his actions or not. Shearer has earned the same level of trust. It’s down to honesty, decency and loyalty. The current regime has singularly failed to display any of those qualities and thus do not have my trust and it has nothing to do with their roots. It has more to do with their routes, the type of people they are, why they’re here and not where they come from.

It’s claimed we have too much say in the running of our club and it would seem this in particular and some of the above is leading to factions within the fanbase. It’s been a long time since I saw so much disharmony on and off the field and it seems the skin isn’t so thick as it used to be. We are being torn apart by circumstance and have been turning on each other for months. As the debacle continues and this sale appears to have reached an impasse of sorts, it seems to me that now is as good a time as any to re-group. The rift between divided, demoralised and disenfranchised supporters appears to grow ever wider as we turn on each other in this time of despair and impotent frustration. For some, there may be a clue in that word I used. To disenfranchise means to take away power. For example, to refuse to allow Newcastle supporters the right to have a say in their club. To prevent the influence of those in the stands on those in the boardroom. ‘Sing your hearts out for the lads’ but keep your opinions to yourselves when it comes to calling the shots on where this club is headed and how to get it there. Or something like that.

But is that right? Is it fair? These are paying customers with loyalty to something they hold dear to their hearts. And hey if caring too much is an offence then I’m guilty as charged. So why shouldn’t fans have a say? It doesn’t mean a leader need listen to us if they believe it’s in our best interests and their’s not to. But at least explain yourself occasionally and keep us in the loop. The past is the past, though no doubt we will argue over the rights and wrong of all parties involved in the two years that seen the club tumble out of the top flight and toward further disaster. But what we need now is soldarity and a resolution to move onwards and upwards together. To be humble and learn from mistakes but not to dwell on the negatives too much.
And we need a strong leader at the helm.

Are we different from other club’s and other supporters? Are we unique by nature? I don’t believe we are, though we do seem to have begun to attract more and more bad press than the average. Maybe it’s self-inflicted. Either way, let them judge and have their say. We have bigger fish to fry.

Faith – That our loyalty and patience will be repaid, one day.

Hope – For something better on the horizon.

And Stories – Sticks and stones make break our bones but those hacks will rot in hell, so why should we really give a flying Cattermole what they write?

Are we unique? To me, we are just another football club with it’s own set of unique problems.

It’s time we fixed them, together.

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62 Responses

  1. Great Article!

    I’m not sure about the supporters being different but I certainly think the club is different to every other club.

    Being a one club city has it’s advantages but it sure has it’s disadvantages. The pressure can be huge and so intense. There’s no other club to take the pressure off through the media ect…

    Everything revolves around the football club, and I have no doubt that it takes a special kind of person and player to be able to cope with the pressure and responsibility.

    Just ask Jermaine Jenas……..

  2. As I commented on another thread, I don’t think we’re much different to other sets of fans.

    I’m quite convinced that when we get some new owners in, a new manager and we start making progress, the fans will unite a bit more. If we start giving good performances on the pitch then they’d unite a *lot* more.

    Some of the comments by Workey and others have made me think though: I wonder if, for some reason, we do feel we should have more of an influence on our club than other sets of supporters do on their clubs. I’m not convinced but I’d listen to arguments about it.

  3. Hugh – worky and deb mentioned a thread along the lines of what you’ve written (i.e. introspection on the fan’s behaviour and expectations) might be worthwhile.
    Though, arguably we’ve had similar debates before?

    To be honest, I’m not sure I managed to pitch it right and the article is a little garbled.

    Mind you, we don’t get paid for this, so I don’t feel half as self-conscious as some of those hacks probably should.

  4. Hugh de Payen says:
    July 6, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    “As I commented on another thread, I don’t think we’re much different to other sets of fans.”

    We weren’t until John Hall started tying it all in with some vague notion of regionalism, and the idea that we are “special club”, indeed, a “nation”. When Hall and Shepherd were exposed for what they were, and the dream turned sour, bitterness, resentment and final humiliation were always around the corner, somewhere.

    In ancient Greece, the greatest crime of all was hubris, and it can still extract a terrible cost.

  5. workyticket says:
    July 6, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    We weren’t until John Hall started tying it all in with some vague notion of regionalism, and the idea that we are “special club”, indeed, a “nation”.

    ————-

    To be honest I never paid much attention to that sort of stuff from Hall, seeing it as rallying posturing rather than anything to take seriously. Maybe that’s just me though. I’d be interested to know how many fans take this ‘Geordie Nation’ stuff seriously.

  6. Hugh – exactly as I saw it. As per my comments about KK.
    It was as much a rallying cry for togetherness and to form a collective. If ‘outsiders’ wanted to ‘belong’, then they could do, immediately. And they did.

    But aren’t Englishman proud to represent their country?
    Does it not work the same way for a region and a city?
    I think that was his viewpoint.

    52 would have a field day with this line of thought.

  7. “So why shouldn’t fans have a say? It doesn’t mean a leader need listen to us if they believe it’s in our best interests and theirs not to.”

    That sums up my opinion on how the fans’ influence should work. They’re customers and they have a right to express and opinion but it’s up to the club to decide whether the fans have a point or not and how they’re going to react to it.

  8. Good article. I see where you’re coming from Worky, though I’d imagine hubris is in very short supply, even in the most blinkered, partizan NUFC fan.

    In short, we’re in this mess due to horrible mis-management; the kind that Manchester City have traditionally made their own, and a mess that Fat Fred in no short measure helped make.

  9. bowburnmag says:
    July 6, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    “If ‘outsiders’ wanted to ‘belong’, then they could do, immediately. And they did.”

    So what was the “Cockney Mafia” banner and the “Cockney W*****” T-Shirts all about then, Bowburn? That alienated around 14 million people all on it’s own. And why are so many fans saying that Alan Shearer, a trainee manager with no experience whatsoever is the “only man who can save this club”?

  10. ShiverMeTimbre says:
    July 6, 2009 at 11:01 pm

    “Good article. I see where you’re coming from Worky, though I’d imagine hubris is in very short supply, even in the most blinkered, partizan NUFC fan.

    In short, we’re in this mess due to horrible mis-management;”

    I do see where you’re coming from too Shiver, we’ve had complete mismanagement going way back. But nowadays this mismanagement is toally exacerbated by interference, like when Ashley attempted to sell the club the first time, which had terrible repercussions that were totally forseeable. That was mismanagement of the club by Ashley, but he was undoubetedly pushed into it by the fans.

    Of course, some people might say that he should have been stronger, but let’s face it, it was ruining his whole life and love him or loathe him, we certainly couldn’t blame him for wanting to bail out immediately at that stage, no matter what the consequences were.

  11. The trouble is, Workey, the fans have a right to an opinion. They are the main reason the club exists and their opinion counts.

    And in reality, no club is going to stop its fans having an opinion (and nor should they).

    It all comes back to the owner and how they deal with it. I don’t think there is any other solution. If an owner sets a pattern of listening to fans and deciding when to stand strong against them and when to appease them and – most importantly – the owner proves that they know what they’re doing by demonstrating the their actions are for the long-term benefit, the fans for their part will become more understanding too.

  12. Hugh de Payen says:
    July 6, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    “The trouble is, Workey, the fans have a right to an opinion. They are the main reason the club exists and their opinion counts.”

    Of course they do, Hugh. But it doesn’t mean that those opinions don’t have consequences. If fans want to scare off owners at the worst possible time, alienate a quarter of the country’s population in one go, and ensure that most managers who are good and in demand keep as much distance from our club as possible, that’s their right. But they shouldn’t moan about it and blame it on others when their chickens come home to roost.

  13. worky – being brutally honest, I think there still clearly exists some North/South divide but not necessarily to the point of prejudice, in most cases. And I think it works both ways, if you’re so inclined.

    I think the ‘Cockney Mafia’ taglines were just a convenient slur angrily and hastily aimed at the people they believed to not have the best interests of the club at heart. And it stuck.

    I don’t really believe the vast majority genuinely believed there was a southern conspiracy hatched. Nor that they failed just because they were from ‘darn sarf’. The real basis for the fans dislike and distrust was borne out of the board’s actions and attitude during a short period in tenure. Not where they came from. Nobody seemed to have a problem with Mort.

    The thing with Shearer is all down to timing for me. He’s seen the guts of the club and has a headstart on others for that reason. Which is something we might need. Of course a lack of experience we might be his and our undoing but I think it’ll be interesting and as good a time as any to blood him and see what he can do as a manager, given some time. However, if he hadn’t been in this position and wasn’t ready to make that leap, I’d say the same about any other person I saw as having potential, even if they weren’t Gosforth-born.

  14. Just to clarify – as much as anything, they stopped talking to us when Mort left. That’s undoubtedly when a lot of trust was lost. Rightly or wrongly, without regular information, fans begin to hear rumours and it’s human nature to start making your own mind up about things. More crucially, it was at a stage when trust was still being earned.

    Also, ‘Cockney Mafia’ probably wasn’t the most imaginative or ingratiating term but it was still perhaps an improvement on ‘Sack the board’. Apart from the fact you’re right about how the rest of the country felt about it.

    Reet, I’m off to bed. Speak to you good gentlemen in the morning.

  15. Of course they do, Hugh. But it doesn’t mean that those opinions don’t have consequences. If fans want to scare off owners at the worst possible time, alienate a quarter of the country’s population in one go, and ensure that most managers who are good and in demand keep as much distance from our club as possible, that’s their right. But they shouldn’t moan about it and blame it on others when their chickens come home to roost.

    ================

    The ‘Cockney Mafia’ stuff was wrong, it was counter-productive and it simply invited ridicule. Any criticism you have of that I would certainly agree with.

    However, if the fans believe an owner is incompetent what would you have them do? I believe they have a right to voice strong opinions about such things and whilst I agree they have *some* responsibility for the consequences (inasmuch as each fan chooses their own course of action and have to stand by it) they are also largely correct in blaming the owner for the consequences because it’s the owner who has the real power to make things happen.

    Ashley could simply have ignored everything, appointed a new manager and got on with it and nobody could have done a damn thing about it. Eventually he would either have screwed up again or prevailed, proven his point through his actions and got some results on the pitch. Had he done that the fans would soon have come around.

    I did not agree with a lot of the fans’ actions during the post-Keegan stuff – the Mafia stuff, the boycotting of games etc. – but I fully agreed with the fact that they sent a message to the club that it was a/ not communicating effectively and b/ being run in a less than competent way.

    The upshot is, IMHO, that – even given Keegan’s sacking/walk out/whatever and the fan backlash to it – a competent owner would have prevailed.

  16. Chris Mort was the best Chairman in Newcastle’s history. No wall of text explaining why as I don’t think I’m alone in thinking this.

  17. I agree. Its a shame the only thing that puts Mort above the other chairmen was him informing fans of what is happening at their club. Surely its not too much to ask for a chairman who can speak out once in a while?

  18. If ‘outsiders’ wanted to ‘belong’, then they could do, immediately. And they did.”

    So what was the “Cockney Mafia” banner and the “Cockney W*****” T-Shirts all about then, Bowburn? That alienated around 14 million people all on it’s own. And why are so many fans saying that Alan Shearer, a trainee manager with no experience whatsoever is the “only man who can save this club”?

    THE COCKNEY MAFIA BANNER WAS NOT ABOUT HATING COKNEYS IT WAS ABOUT THE FACT THAT WISE ASHLEY AND LLAMBIAS WERE FROM LONDON AND WERE THEREFORE COCKNEYS

    THE PERSON WHO MADE THE BANNER EVEN SAID HE HAD NO PROBLEM WITH COCKNEYS IT WAS JUST THAT THOSE 3 WERE COCKNEYS AND COULD BE CALLED A COCKNEY MAFIA IT WAS A WAY OF BRANDING THEM TOGETHER WHICH WASNT MEANT TO OFFEND ANY 1 BUT OFFEND WISE LLAMBIAS AND ASHLEY

  19. beyethegreat says:
    July 7, 2009 at 8:31 am

    “THE COCKNEY MAFIA BANNER WAS NOT ABOUT HATING COKNEYS IT WAS ABOUT THE FACT THAT WISE ASHLEY AND LLAMBIAS WERE FROM LONDON AND WERE THEREFORE COCKNEYS”

    It certainly didn’t look like that, Beye, and what about all this stuff about dodgy cockney barrow boys? How would you feel if someone from London said that you were inherently dishonest because you were from the North East?

    Anyway, Ashley ISN’T from London Beye, he’s from the home counties. He was born in Walsall, raised in Berkshire and he lives in Hertfordshire. It’s a bit like a London supporters having a banner saying “Geordie Mafia Out!” when the owner of their club comes from Sunderland. It made us look incredibly stupid, poorly educated, bigoted and nasty.

    Anyway, “Cockneys” only come from an area around Cheapside in the East End of London, so by definition NONE of them were Cockneys, not even Wise, who was born in Kensington in West London. Llambias and Jimenez are Spanish names BTW, too.

    They DID mean to offend, Beye, and they’re liars and cowards for saying that they didn’t. They’re also stupid and ignorant. I hate to think what would have happened if our owners had been Jewish, or black for that matter.

  20. Worky,

    Sying cockneys are only from cheapside in the East End of London is like saying only Geordies come from Newcastle.

    Cockneys are reconised as people from London and the majority peple from London be it West, East, South and North would class themselves as cockneys.

    Like people from Gateshead and Northumberland would class themselves as Geordies when technically their not.

  21. Stuart79 says:
    July 7, 2009 at 11:42 am

    “Like people from Gateshead and Northumberland would class themselves as Geordies when technically their not.”

    Yes they are, Stuart. “Geordie” refers to a person from Tyneside, and Cockneys are people who were born within earshot of the bells of St Mary-le-Bow church in Cheapside. They can be heard for around four or five miles around the church, and as I’ve already stated, Mike Ashley was born in Walsall anyway. The Wikipedia says that he was born in Burnham in Berkshire, but he wasn’t, that is incorrect.

    None of the Londoners I know, and I do live in London, refer to themselves as “Cockneys”, they refer to themselves as “Londoners”.

  22. Worky

    Ya wrong mate.

    People from Gateshead are born on the wrong side of the river to be a Geordie. All my family especially my granda says things like if you want to be harshly correct Geordies are only from the city of Newcastle Upon Tyne.

    Also Northumberland isn’t in Tyneside. It is a county!

    Tyneside is an area of Tyne and Wear I think.

    On another issue only you could argue with Wikipedia

  23. Beye,

    I had to sift through two whole comments from a story in today’s Journal to find this little gem from a local bigot.

    “keeganite wrote:
    Well its goodbye to Mike and Derek the men who could and would not talk the talk or walk the walk. Wide eyed cockney boys should learn to stay in the smoke because they lack certain criteria’s that sets us northerners apart, courage, tactfulness, passion, honesty, humour and football knowledge. So as these two clowns leave lets hope its not a case of send in the new clowns.”

    http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2009/07/07/new-owners-will-be-unveiled-this-week-61634-24089491/2/

    No Stuart, sorry, I’m not wrong. Look it up!

    “On another issue only you could argue with Wikipedia”

    Stuart, I’m a regular editor on Wikipedia, I know how incorrect some of the entries are. It’s notorious for it and I’ve had to spend many an hour correcting absolute dross in there!

  24. Worky

    We’ll agree to disagree but I’m 100% confident I’m right on the Geordie issue

  25. Speak to people in Newcastle Worky.

    Suppose people from the wirral are scousers?

    Geordies are offically people born on the North side of the river- Simple as…..

  26. Some of our friends in Washington and South Shields might beg to differ as well.

    I was born in St Mary’s so I’m alreet.

  27. By the way, some of the players seem to feel the same way as some of the fans –

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2009/07/07/nufc-stars-set-to-revolt-over-delay-on-shearer-72703-24092835/

    To be honest, whether we agree he’s the best man for the job or not, Llambias said if all buyers wanted him then they would sign something on their behalf, didn’t he?

    Unless there’s an issue, i.e. one of the parties (a frontrunner) isn’t keen then surely this would have happened by now.
    And if it had, the players would surely have been given some form of reassurance about the situation?

  28. bowburnmag says:
    July 7, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    “I was born in St Mary’s so I’m alreet.”

    I was born in Gosforth, Bowburn. By Stuart’s first definition that would make myself and “wor Al” non-Geordie outcasts, but by his second definition, it would make us both Geordies.

    I’m having an identity crisis now! :-)

  29. My mate would kick your arse if she heard you say that and belt you with her many old season tickets.

    Mind you, it would be worth it because she’s fit :-)

  30. Stuart79 says:
    July 7, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    “Someone from Washington is about as Geordie as someone from Sunderland”

    Aye, that’s true, Stuart!

  31. I guess being born in Jesmond I’m effectively posh but I grew working class roots after that.

    I suppose if someone called you a ‘Geordie’, you’d be less likely to ponder the technicalities in their definition. Particularly, if the sentence also included the words ‘you’ and ‘w***er’.

    Which is where this started out.

  32. Stuart, I do know what you mean about the north of the river thing, and I have heard it said too. But I don’t agree with it. Gateshead lads and lasses are just as “Geordie” as the rest of us, even Gazza! :-)

  33. Plus, in fairness, some of them have the best view of the ground of all of us from where they live.

  34. I think it’s very much a older generation thing.

    The older members of my family take the north of the river view of things.

  35. Onyewu has gone to AC Milan apparently?

    Wouldn’t have seen that coming back when he was playing here. Then again Tomasson ended up there and did well…

  36. Reports are that a helicopter has landed at the training ground!

    VIP?
    Micheal Owen emptying his locker?
    Ashley clearing his desk?
    Or just the A-Team perhaps

  37. Our man in the bushes reports helicopter activity in the Benton area today (Tuesday) with a chopper landing at the training ground – also spotted by others at the city heliport on the banks of the Tyne.

    More – or less – as we get it.

    From nufc.com

  38. Somebody has rubbed David Craig’s lamp – the fella on Ed’s blog that is.

    According to him, it’s Sheperd (the mouth) and his new cronies (the money).

    Well, if true, it’s progress Jim but not as we know it. Not as we know it, Jim.

  39. ‘Afternoon chaps.

    It’s not Shepherd. I have that on the highest wishful thinking.

  40. I’m now in a difficult position where I need to leave work but I don’t want to leave and miss some official breaking news.

    If only I’d had that stereo fitted on the mountain bike………

    Unpaid overtime just to hear more exclusives?
    Nah, maybe not.

    See you on the other side folks.
    When I get home I mean, in case that wasn’t clear.

  41. THE COCKNEY MAFIA BANNER WAS NOT ABOUT HATING COKNEYS IT WAS ABOUT THE FACT THAT WISE ASHLEY AND LLAMBIAS WERE FROM LONDON AND WERE THEREFORE COCKNEYS”

    It certainly didn’t look like that, Beye, and what about all this stuff about dodgy cockney barrow boys? How would you feel if someone from London said that you were inherently dishonest because you were from the North East?

    WELL I DIDNT HEAR ANY 1 SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT COCKNEY BARROW BOYS BUT YOURE RIGHT I WOULD NOT LIKE IT IF SOME ONE SAID I WAS INHERENTLY DISHONEST BECAUSE I AM FROM THE NORTH EAST THE SAME AS I DONT LIKE IT WHEN PEOPLE SAY I AM INHERENTLY DELUSIONAL JUST COZ I SUPPORT NUFC BUT IT HAPPENS

    They DID mean to offend, Beye, and they’re liars and cowards for saying that they didn’t. They’re also stupid and ignorant. I hate to think what would have happened if our owners had been Jewish, or black for that matter

    WELL FIRST OFF I DONT THINK ANY 1 WOULD HAVE SAID ANYTHING AGAINST ANY ONE BEING BLACK OR JEWISH AND I HONESTLY DONT THINK IT WAS TO OFFEND WHY WOULD HE LIE?

  42. good evening lads how is everyone. You know its amazing how many “insider info” stuff is flying about at the moment all completely different from each other

  43. Aye and the truth will probably turn out to be completely different to any of the so-called ‘insider info’ stories.

  44. Leaving the NUSC, it looks like they’re controlled by some Marxist scum. No wonder they want ownership of the club, they’re collectivists.

    Speaking of Marxist scum, how are you today worky?

  45. Apparently the Malaysians have been at the ground today according to Look North ans SSN.

  46. beyethegreat says:
    July 7, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    “WELL FIRST OFF I DONT THINK ANY 1 WOULD HAVE SAID ANYTHING AGAINST ANY ONE BEING BLACK OR JEWISH AND I HONESTLY DONT THINK IT WAS TO OFFEND WHY WOULD HE LIE?”

    Beye,

    Because Keith Barrett was (rightfully) pilloried as an idiot who was damaging the club, and he got sick of it and cracked.

    When he was having his fifteen minutes of fame, and the TV cameras could have been on him at any time, someone took issue with the banner, so Barrett punched him three times and was arrested. How great that would have been for the club’s image if they caught that on camera!

    He later expressed remorse – that he didn’t punch the man harder! And expressed incredulity that the Police arrested him, but not the nasty man who called him a rude word. Diddums.

    I’m fine thanks, 52.

  47. beyethegreat says:
    July 7, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    “52 what does marxist mean ?”

    Beye, a “Marxist” is someones who strongly beleives in the political theories of Karl Marx, who wrote “The Capital” (or “Das Kapital”), and “The Communist Manifesto”, which he wrote with Friedrich Engels.

    ps
    beyethegreat says:
    July 7, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    “fair enough worky”

    Actually, I was a little harsh on Barrett. He was stupid for doing that, he did, possibly, do a great deal of damage at the worst possible moment, and potentially even more if the TV cameras had caught him whacking that fella. But some of my terminology perhaps did go a little bit too far, and he has been a supporter of the club for a long, long time, and he did used to do the bus trips and all that.

  48. 52 – praise or sarcasm? I’m never quite sure.

    I’ll take either!

    worky – Keith Barrett is a good lad from my experience. Used to sort us out trips from the Killy Arms. Didn’t realise he been involved in something like that. Obviously I missed it!

  49. bowburnmag says:
    July 7, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    “worky – Keith Barrett is a good lad from my experience. Used to sort us out trips from the Killy Arms. Didn’t realise he been involved in something like that. Obviously I missed it!”

    Aye Bowburn, that’s what I wrote to Beye in comment 56.