Comments on: NUFC Statement. http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/08/nufc-statement-2/ Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:09:50 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: workyticket http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/08/nufc-statement-2/#comment-4742 workyticket Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:32:46 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=3530#comment-4742 bowburnmag says: August 24, 2009 at 11:14 pm "I’m tired and probably starting to lose the debate!" No, you're getting much, much better, and as I said to Hugh, I'm not arguing and I don't necessarily have a completely opposed view. bowburnmag says:
August 24, 2009 at 11:14 pm

“I’m tired and probably starting to lose the debate!”

No, you’re getting much, much better, and as I said to Hugh, I’m not arguing and I don’t necessarily have a completely opposed view.

]]> By: Hugh de Payen http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/08/nufc-statement-2/#comment-4740 Hugh de Payen Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:31:58 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=3530#comment-4740 Well if we want to test our reasoning we ought to be placing everything within a foundation of formal logic, which is tedious but it's the only real way to establish whether reasoning is well-formed or not. Otherwise any conclusions about reasoning are merely subjective. We can't always establish the truth or falsity of a conclusion but there are prescribed ways to establish whether or not the reasoning that leads to that conclusion is sound. Why am I talking about logic on a Newcastle United blog at 11:30PM? I really must need some sleep. Well if we want to test our reasoning we ought to be placing everything within a foundation of formal logic, which is tedious but it’s the only real way to establish whether reasoning is well-formed or not.

Otherwise any conclusions about reasoning are merely subjective.

We can’t always establish the truth or falsity of a conclusion but there are prescribed ways to establish whether or not the reasoning that leads to that conclusion is sound.

Why am I talking about logic on a Newcastle United blog at 11:30PM? I really must need some sleep.

]]> By: workyticket http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/08/nufc-statement-2/#comment-4734 workyticket Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:21:31 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=3530#comment-4734 Hugh de Payen says: August 24, 2009 at 11:13 pm "Worky, I think you and I, whilst obviously not in agreement, are coming at things from different angles too, which confuses matters even more (mine being the correct angle obviously )." Hugh, you don't seem to realise that I'm not arguing with you, I am merely testing the foundations of your reasoning. It's the same with Bowburn too. Hugh de Payen says:
August 24, 2009 at 11:13 pm

“Worky, I think you and I, whilst obviously not in agreement, are coming at things from different angles too, which confuses matters even more (mine being the correct angle obviously ).”

Hugh, you don’t seem to realise that I’m not arguing with you, I am merely testing the foundations of your reasoning. It’s the same with Bowburn too.

]]> By: workyticket http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/08/nufc-statement-2/#comment-4733 workyticket Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:14:38 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=3530#comment-4733 bowburnmag says: August 24, 2009 at 10:44 pm "I dislike Wise and found it difficult to prevent that clouding my judgement. But I never really had a problem with him being part of it even though he’s not my favourite person. I don’t think it’s clear what the roles were but then that’s an assumption. Based on that I wouldn’t blame Wise but Ashley for not getting the roles and the mix right." Bowburn, if you're judgement isn't clouded about Dennis Wise, then why did you mention you wouldn't blame Wise or Ashley, and yet you didn't mention Keegan as part of the threesome? bowburnmag says:
August 24, 2009 at 10:44 pm

“I dislike Wise and found it difficult to prevent that clouding my judgement. But I never really had a problem with him being part of it even though he’s not my favourite person. I don’t think it’s clear what the roles were but then that’s an assumption. Based on that I wouldn’t blame Wise but Ashley for not getting the roles and the mix right.”

Bowburn, if you’re judgement isn’t clouded about Dennis Wise, then why did you mention you wouldn’t blame Wise or Ashley, and yet you didn’t mention Keegan as part of the threesome?

]]> By: bowburnmag http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/08/nufc-statement-2/#comment-4732 bowburnmag Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:14:17 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=3530#comment-4732 Partly, he seems to have too much say without understanding the industry. Also I just felt like Wise wasn't utilised properly. Money is good but he's a training ground and round the games kinda guy. In fairness, I possibly never properly understood the role of Vitere and the other guy who's name escapes me. I just felt like the club hasn't been able to do the simple things. Not sending reps to charity do's, double-booking on Sir Bobby's exhibition game. I'm tired and probably starting to lose the debate! I'm off to kip shortly! ;) Partly, he seems to have too much say without understanding the industry. Also I just felt like Wise wasn’t utilised properly. Money is good but he’s a training ground and round the games kinda guy. In fairness, I possibly never properly understood the role of Vitere and the other guy who’s name escapes me. I just felt like the club hasn’t been able to do the simple things. Not sending reps to charity do’s, double-booking on Sir Bobby’s exhibition game. I’m tired and probably starting to lose the debate! I’m off to kip shortly! ;)

]]> By: Hugh de Payen http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/08/nufc-statement-2/#comment-4731 Hugh de Payen Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:13:32 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=3530#comment-4731 Worky, I think you and I, whilst obviously not in agreement, are coming at things from different angles too, which confuses matters even more (mine being the correct angle obviously ;) ). Anyway, I'm knackered and off to bed (and I'll be having some sharp words with the dog on the way!). Worky, I think you and I, whilst obviously not in agreement, are coming at things from different angles too, which confuses matters even more (mine being the correct angle obviously ;) ).

Anyway, I’m knackered and off to bed (and I’ll be having some sharp words with the dog on the way!).

]]> By: workyticket http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/08/nufc-statement-2/#comment-4730 workyticket Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:59:15 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=3530#comment-4730 bowburnmag says: August 24, 2009 at 10:44 pm On the board, I meant we needed football men on the board. Bowburn, Richard Money is a football man, Jeff Vetere is a football man, Dennis Wise is a football man. Did you just mean Llambias? bowburnmag says:
August 24, 2009 at 10:44 pm

On the board, I meant we needed football men on the board.

Bowburn, Richard Money is a football man, Jeff Vetere is a football man, Dennis Wise is a football man. Did you just mean Llambias?

]]> By: bowburnmag http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/08/nufc-statement-2/#comment-4729 bowburnmag Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:44:16 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=3530#comment-4729 On the board, I meant we needed football men on the board. I like and respect Hughton. Calderwood slightly less so. I dislike Wise and found it difficult to prevent that clouding my judgement. But I never really had a problem with him being part of it even though he's not my favourite person. I don't think it's clear what the roles were but then that's an assumption. Based on that I wouldn't blame Wise but Ashley for not getting the roles and the mix right. On the board, I meant we needed football men on the board. I like and respect Hughton. Calderwood slightly less so. I dislike Wise and found it difficult to prevent that clouding my judgement. But I never really had a problem with him being part of it even though he’s not my favourite person. I don’t think it’s clear what the roles were but then that’s an assumption. Based on that I wouldn’t blame Wise but Ashley for not getting the roles and the mix right.

]]> By: Hugh de Payen http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/08/nufc-statement-2/#comment-4728 Hugh de Payen Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:44:04 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=3530#comment-4728 Hmm. Hmm.

]]> By: workyticket http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/08/nufc-statement-2/#comment-4726 workyticket Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:39:45 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=3530#comment-4726 Hugh de Payen says: August 24, 2009 at 10:12 pm "Let’s say your web host screws up and we lose the blog for a while. Sure they deserve some criticism but do you think that people will give a stuff who you lay the blame on?" If this website were a large financial concern, and I lost a large amount of money though my webhosts taking my money and not fulfilling their contract, then I would get one of my lawyers to sue them and let the court decide whose fault it was. Simple! Hugh de Payen says:
August 24, 2009 at 10:12 pm

“Let’s say your web host screws up and we lose the blog for a while. Sure they deserve some criticism but do you think that people will give a stuff who you lay the blame on?”

If this website were a large financial concern, and I lost a large amount of money though my webhosts taking my money and not fulfilling their contract, then I would get one of my lawyers to sue them and let the court decide whose fault it was. Simple!

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