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Ashley reneges on terms he promised Moat.

Posted on October 27th, 2009 | 159 Comments |

What's the deal guys?
What's the deal guys?
According to an article posted on The Telegraph’s site late last night, Mike Ashley has turned down Barry Moat’s latest £80m bid for Newcastle United even though he’d previously said he’d accept the bid on the terms specified.

What the article says is that whilst Ashley had previously rejected Moat’s offer to take £40m down and £40m at the end of the season, the pair had reached agreement earlier last week for a deal involving £60m down and £20m at the end of the season.

However when Barry Moat made such an offer on Friday, Ashley – after considering it for a few days – rejected the offer anyway, insisting he now wants the whole £80m up-front.

The Telegraph speculates that Ashley is playing hardball with Moat to give any other bidders a chance to show their hand.

To be fair, once I get past my desire to see the back of him, I have a certain amount of sympathy with Ashley over this. He has insisted he wanted £100m up front for virtually all the time the club has been on the market this summer, then he compromised and said he’d take £80m. Moat has his 20% discount so it’s really up to him to put up or shut up.

Although it is poor form if Ashley had promised Moat that a 60-20 deal would be acceptable and then reneged on it.

Then there’s the issue of Moat’s financial backing to consider. If he is struggling to raise the £80m we have to wonder if he’s the best man to take over the club. I’d rather stick with Ashley than have an owner who can’t afford to run the club – it’s a case of better the devil you know. Of course I don’t know the state of Moat’s finances and for all I know he could have plenty of cash and is merely trying to get the best deal he can.

We also have to consider whether Ashley is now considering keeping the club and hoping for promotion, after which he’d be able to command a higher fee for the club anyway. Despite losing a net 7 players in the summer and surviving on loaned players we’re top of the Championship table after nearly a third of the season, so Ashley might be thinking we now stand a good chance of a strong finish.

The Telegraph indicates that Moat is determined to buy the club though, so maybe this deal isn’t finished yet. I think we’ll know when it’s truly dead and buried because Chris Hughton will be officially confirmed as permanent manager.

NUFCBlog Author: Hugh de Payen I'm a baby-boomer of the punk rock persuasion, currently exiled in Somerset for crimes committed in a previous life where locals keep trying to poison me with something called 'scrumpy'. Hates sprouts, coat-hangers, Cilla Black, ornaments, Steven Seagull movies and 50 Cent (he's not worth 10). Hugh de Payen has written 634 articles on this blog.

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159 Responses

  1. Ashely never had any intention of selling. And for all the talk of Barry Moat this, Barry Moat that, not one word has came from his own lips to even suggest he wants to buy the club in the first place. Shearer has came clean and said that Barry Moat has not even asked him to be manager or anything either, so where does all this waffle come from too? it is all media crap and nothing more. It is a shame that media no longer need to print truth and are allowed by law to print blatant rubbish as and when they feel like it. There are no more newspapers in the UK – just the Daily-lie papers.
    If Ashley turned down 300 million from Abu Dhabi investemnt company (now man city owners – damn!!) why would he be considering selling us for 80 now? It aint going to happen – ever.

  2. Well there you go doing what you said the papers do, lie!!!! Ashley didn’t turn down £300m from the Abu Dhabi group because they never offered his £300m for the TOON, you’re just regurgitating what the crap-loids printed last season, the Toon have never & will never be worth £300m unless we’re in the same position at Chelski & Manc Usa, winning countless trophies which I can’t see happening in my life time, which by the way started 1 month before we won the Fairs cup in 69, so I’m still waiting to see us lift another before I die!!

    Ashley will sell but not until Moat give hims £80m upfront & another £20m end of season, then Moats new investors will show themselves & we’ll be sitting pretty with loads of money behind us to gain promotion & fight our way to the top of the PL again, sorry that last bit was a dream, not reality, we’re screwed!!!

  3. Getting to the point now, where I’m going to stop reading about the damned takeover until it actually happens, whenever that will be.

  4. Another nothing story really…..they must have been panicking in the Telegraph offices “theres no real news today what shall we do??? I know!! lets regurgitate that Moat story for the 127th time…”

    YAWN!!

  5. @ craig chisholm
    ive maintained the same opinion throughout. Hes never had any intention. He bluffs every transfer window and will continue to do so until the recession is over. Hes in this for the long term and will use the land above st james metro to make his cash by building on it. He bought the club not realising there is a clause which states that he is not allowed to build for 7 years. !
    These are facts and the club is secondary to ashley.

  6. Their quite clearly pulling each others p1ssers.

    Ashley knows that there is no other credible buyer so he’s tryong to extract as much as possible from Moat, knowing that Moat is desperate to buy the club.

    Although I think the man is a prick I cannot blame him for getting Moats maximum price.

    The problem comes for Ashley when Moat just walks away and Ashley is stuck with the club.

    Does he invest in January to get us promoted or risk not going up by not bringing any players in.

  7. Ashley has already said that he won’t invest any money in players, so I assume that means no money in Jan.

    Don’t we have to return our loanees by the end of the year too, or is it just Harewood?

  8. troy,that,s probably right he was banging on about building a skyscraper on the site.
    knowing ashley he,ll build a sports direct superstore attached to the back of the gallowgate.

  9. I realy don`t think we will be in an automatic promotion position with the team/squad we have,i believe the fat pig will sell yet more “assets” in the form of Smith-Nolan-Taylor Krull-Carrol? Ranger?and anybody else that are playing well,anybody who believes we have a good team must be on drugs as the squad(with the exception of the above mentioned)are average at the best-arse at the worst.astley lives in the twilight zone,that much is obvious,he`s systematically raping the club and will shortly have it at the point of no return.We don`t have a first team squad now and the bad weather isn`t here yet-and the inevitable injuries that come with it.I would take my chances with Moat,he`s a supporter(no im not looking through the Geordie rossy glasses)and though it may take a few years i believe somebody who has the interests of the club at the forefront of his thinking can turn the club around and still make a decent profit,BUT it will take time,if astley stays i fear that only heartache/heartbreak and the abyss await.
    Gonna be a long season regardless of what happens,good luck-we`r going to need it….

  10. I thought as Cyprus-Toon did – Ashley made a statement a couple of weeks ago saying he would now accept 80m up front. It does not say he will accept less than 100m – why people try and change whats been said is beyond me.

  11. tell you what if i win the euros this week i’ll give him the twenty million and ask him for a club box for the rest of my life in exchange ps i’ll chuck a tomatoe a ashley when he leaves and say that one of your five a day you fat cokney

  12. Stardust, batty, from what I can gather from The Telegraph’s article, it seems to be suggesting Ashley will take £80m in total now.

    Don’t know how reliable the article is though.

  13. Its bizarre Hugh – Ashley makes a statement about what he will accept upfront and now they have a non quoted version of events and run it and people believe it.

  14. It’s possible they have some inside information Stardust, although I wouldn’t bet on it given the generally unreliable information from the press on this whole takeover saga.

  15. I am not sure you can renege on something you have said when you said the exact opposite openly to the press.

    Unless they are suggesting what he is saying openly is a nonsense and he has been suggesting otherwise in negotiations.

    I expect that not to be the case and its poor sloppy Journalism – at best its Cry Baby Moat trying to drive the price down of something he cant afford.

  16. I have no idea Stardust. To be honest it’s all a bit tiresome and I wish Ashley would just decide one way or the other and get it over with.

    Even if Ashley only decides to stay for the rest of the season at least it gives us some temporary stability. It’s not as good as being able to plan for 3-5 years ahead of course but it’s better than the current situation.

    Personally I think he fancies his chances at promotion now (and the better price he’ll command as a result) – I doubt he’ll sell but we’ll see (and that’s assuming that Moat’s a genuine, serious bidder rather than a publicity hunter or time waster – I’m inclined to think he is genuine but I don’t know).

  17. DC on ssn says we should here somthing in the next 24 hours,ano not the most reliable but id believe him owa these papers.

  18. Hitman – was he just speculating or did he give any credible info ? Did he quote his source “Llambias”

  19. Surprise, surprise Stardust leaps to Ashleys defence! You seem shocked at the notion that Ashley says one thing to the press and another at the negotiating table? For a someone like him that would be as easy as breathing.

    Possible explanations for his double standards:

    (1) Fatty hopes that, by stringing things out, another buyer will emerge? Unlikely!

    (2)He thinks that Moats backers have more cash than they’re letting on, and wants to test their resolve? After all what would he care if that left the new owners £20m short of investment cash, right? Possibly!

    (3) He loathes us so much this has all just become some twisted game to him. Unless he’s a big fan of the “Saw” movie series, it’s unlikely.

    Or are these Ashley’s famed “Balls of Steel” clanking under the negotiating table? Maybe he wants to make a big, flouncy, drama queen grandstand before wandering to the exit ala Gloria Swanson in “Sunset Boulevard”?

    Like all idiot gamblers he’s hanging in at the Roulette Wheel to see if his luck improves. What a pillock!

    One more point Stardust: if this is, as you say, Cry Baby Moats attempt to “Steal” the club from Ashley, then why the protracted negotiations? Why are they still at the table if Moat’s such a chancer? Surely a “Razor Sharp” operator like Ashley wouldn’t waste his precious time bandying words with a fool? Unless it was to smoke out other interested parties, of course. Too many falsehoods to pick facts from this circular argument. However one of the parties involved has a track record of lies….the other does not. Here’s to the Serious Fraud Office….and all who sail in her!

  20. To be fair Excelsior – I was interested to see what angle you would approach the first time we disagreed on a fundamental.

    I can see despite you ability to write – youre as backward, hate filled and short sighted as the rest – I hope you arent so full of bile and quick to jump to conclusions in your every day life.

    There are a million similar scenarios you can paint – all of which were grabbed out of thin air.

    In the meantime I will take things on face value until I know otherwise and await outcome and “quotes”.

  21. Stardust says:
    October 27, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    I can see despite you ability to write – youre as backward, hate filled and short sighted as the rest – I hope you arent so full of bile and quick to jump to conclusions in your every day life.
    ——————————————–

    Oh Dear…..Stardust’s off again with the cheap personal attacks and generalisations….

    Broken record or what??

  22. d craig has just sed reading between the lines he dusent think a deal has been rejected or excepted but he is hoping to hear somthing in the next 24 hours so he knows nowt

  23. just been on ssn,ashley and moat refuse to comment on this article,but a source close to moat say he is still keen to buy the club,and things will be a lot clear in the next 24 hours.

  24. Stardust vs Excelsior has turned oot to be like hattons fight against pacquiao the build up and then pacquiao flattens him and the EX is hatton :lol:

  25. I feel sorry for Chris Hougton he’s just a pawn in Ashleys game and can’t even see it he’s got his hopes on the job of his life and ashles just useing him to force Moats hand.

    I’m not normaly so compassionate but Mr Houghton has done a lot for us this season and I don’t know if he sees the bigger picture.

  26. Tell you what lads i’m gonna do the Geordie unthinkable and be optimistic… I reckon that the next owners will be some wealthy Arab investors. I just think that if Ashley sells it, the only people in this economic climate who can afford it will be that type. You could say the asking price is too much, or you could say it sets for a high standard of wealth for prospective bidders. Basically if you bid for this club, you must have a fair bit of dosh.

    Not to knock Moat but I just don’t think he has the money to sustain our hopes and expectations, but fair play to the bloke.

  27. batty says:
    October 27, 2009 at 12:39 pm
    stardust still undefeated world blog champ next plz

    ———————————–

    You’re his second

    You have a biased view LOL

  28. so moat hasent got the cash yet hes still trying to buy the club that just tells me that the books cant be in that bad of a state like wot some people say

  29. Good grief! Batty has turned into a Stardust lover!

    They do say there’s someone for everybody, although I thought that saying was a little unlikely in Stardust’s case.

    It takes all kinds I guess.

  30. Probably take another gamble this season, on getting promoted with the present base squad and a few loaned players.
    We will know more come Jan. probably depend on how we are shaping up in the league.
    Dont expect any signings but could be forced into it depending on injuries and retuned loanee`s
    When does Simpson`s contract end, could we get him on a Bosman ? seems to be keen to stay.
    It`s really imperative we regain a spot in the PL, hope Ashley is aware of how much more difficult it will be should we lose out and spend another season in this league.
    I understand his reluctance to spend, but is it worth the gamble, hope he learned something from last years fiasco, in that regard.

  31. The thing I miss in this blog – as opposed to a normal forum – is our inability to post pictures….

    Just think of the fun we could have posting pictures of what we all think the others look like, for example….

    :)

  32. hitman says:
    October 27, 2009 at 12:48 pm
    ashley just arrived at training ground
    <<<< aye hes getting fit cos hughtons picked him to replace harewood y kna how clever chris is like :lol:

  33. Stuart79 says:
    October 27, 2009 at 12:47 pm
    Good grief! Batty has turned into a Stardust lover!

    They do say there’s someone for everybody, although I thought that saying was a little unlikely in Stardust’s case.

    It takes all kinds I guess.
    <<<< aye it dus are you jealous

  34. Stuart79 you dont have any kids yet do y well u and your parter might able be to adopt cos ive heard gays have equal rights now :lol:

  35. batty says:
    October 27, 2009 at 12:54 pm
    Stuart79 you dont have any kids yet do y well u and your parter might able be to adopt cos ive heard gays have equal rights now

    I’ll bare that in mind thanks Batty.

  36. this is just my opinion like,but i reckon ashley has give moat till the end of play today to come up with the wedge,if he dusnt come up with it expect CH to be confirmed manager the day.

  37. UTD111 says:
    October 27, 2009 at 1:02 pm
    Nice response Stuart….

    Classic left hook in response to the usual “below the belt” blow from the Stardust/Batty stable

    LOL
    <<< you just love stirring dont u :lol:

  38. It’s definitely been rejected by Ashley.

    He’s there to sort out the contract with Hughton and get it signed.

  39. Batty: Who’s knocked who out?

    All Stardust has done is pit his “Facts” (flimsy and unsubstantiated as they are) against my conclusions (flimsy and unsubstantiated as they are), and claimed his usual monopoly on the truth. How is that a result for him exactly? We have no “Hard Facts” therefore all is supposition…no conclusive evidence supports either side. As Stardust says:”In the meantime I will take things on face value until I know otherwise and await outcome and “quotes”.”

    Those who take things at face-value, reap what they sow. Gullibility isn’t a good stance for anyone to take with proven liars. Face-Value, in such circumstances means less than nothing.

    Two more pieces of “supposition”: First, if the club is ever sold I expect Ashley to insist the new regime has a gagging order on it, to prevent past transgressions being discussed.

    Secondly, the definitive statement on Ashley’s character will be made, not by us, not by Barry Moat, Alan Shearer or any other individual…it will be made by The Serious Fraud Office. What sort of statement that will be, I don’t know? But I can take a pretty educated guess.

    I’m neither floored, nor even on the ropes, merely observing the ground rules before coming out for round 2. In any case, who made you referee?

  40. Excelsior says:
    October 27, 2009 at 1:08 pm
    Batty: Who’s knocked who out?
    <<<<<you have just got back up of the canvas but you will have to work hard to win this fight :lol:

  41. I’m neither floored, nor even on the ropes, merely observing the ground rules before coming out for round 2. In any case, who made you referee <<<<oooooo me

  42. Excelsior your not saying owt to stardust that 100s of bloggers havent sed before so you need a new angle of attack them remarks just bounce off his tin hat

  43. I reckon Excelsior is 3 rounds up…..

    The american judge has him 5 rounds up…..

    Think you’re a good second Batts – but your boy is taking a hell of a pounding…:)

  44. Hugh de Payen says:
    October 27, 2009 at 1:17 pm
    Just watched it hitman. “Next 24 hours will be decisive”.

    DC (Which is a very appropriate abr)gets his info from Llambias, hence the reason he is never right.

    They are shamefull in their bottom licking of this regime!

  45. excelsior – your clean accurate punching is easly getting through stardust’s defence – he’s fighting a losing battle , soften him up over the next 2/3 rounds then go in for the knock out !.

  46. batty says:
    October 27, 2009 at 1:33 pm
    utd111 diivent be daft man stardy has won the 1st 6 rounds and thEX has been on the canvas 3 times

    ———————————-

    Well mind Batty….the spanish judge has just come back from the netty and he reckons Julio Geordio is winnin….

    I always thought he was a footballer, like….

    Anyway, he reckons Excelsior’s last round was “scorchio”

    :)

  47. Excelsior – youre attempt at a dodge and swerve is rather limp.

    “All Stardust has done is pit his “Facts” (flimsy and unsubstantiated as they are) against my conclusions (flimsy and unsubstantiated as they are)”

    I have not claimed anything other than what is known from “quotes” – when investigating anything to establish truth – detailed questioning must take place. In criminal law “hearsay evidence is inadmissable” it is inadmissable as it is liable to be skewed, distorted or made up – yet the foundation of what you think is formed on hearsay evidence.

    You say “We have no “Hard Facts”” therefore all is supposition…no conclusive evidence supports either side.”

    Again your looking ridiculous – Ashleys statement re being willing to accept 80m up front is a fact – which was said by Ashlley – therefore it is admissable in law AND is a fact that should be considered.

    You then say “Those who take things at face-value, reap what they sow. Gullibility isn’t a good stance for anyone to take with proven liars. Face-Value, in such circumstances means less than nothing.”

    The only time when you can rely on anything other than face value is when you have had chance to probe and question in detail the respondent as outlined. You have never done this – so you then “suppose” to form an opinion. In other words you make it up.

    You further embarrass yourself “Two more pieces of “supposition”: First, if the club is ever sold I expect Ashley to insist the new regime has a gagging order on it, to prevent past transgressions being discussed.”

    Out of what thin air did you grab that from? A line formed on hatred alone.

    I dont claim a victory Excelsior – you climbed through the ropes and threw yourself on the floor before a punch was even thrown.

    Incredibly lame.

    Batty can I have a towel and some water please lol.

  48. I find it difficult to distinguish between STARDY.
    & EXCELSIOR. their writing styles are a mirror image of each other, are you the same person ?
    YO BATTY, gonna get you a brand new wooden spoon for Christmas.

  49. AndyNUFC says:
    October 27, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    “How does Portsmouth get taken over twice in a week and Notts County gets foreign investors, and we get this…”

    Because foreign investors don’t want to pay £100 million for the privilege of being the next Mike Ashley. They don’t want to be ripped apart by the fans, have their name dragged through the mud and generally have a PR disaster on their hands. They have bigger fish to fry and just want a nice, quiet club.

  50. Stardust says:
    October 27, 2009 at 2:14 pm
    lol Scratch 71 – thought I had put hearsay was admissable – ignore this and 71 lol.

    ———————————-

    Batty
    Your boy is wobbling a bit, mind….he’s so confused he doesn’t know what he’s posting!

    Still, after the pounding he’s taken, I’m not surprised…..

    ;)

  51. That’s a nasty cut he’s got there, just on the eyebrow. Eye is probably going to close up before the next round. Won’t be able to see the ad hom coming out of his chatterbox.

  52. Seriously, this whole rabid fans argument is very tiresome. It’s more than likely got more to do with having to deal with Mr. Ashley. Would you like to start negotiations with someone who was under investigation by the serious fraud office? No, me neither.

    Like I said before the only thing any owner wants from the fans are for them to turn up, buy the shirts and go home again. If any owner is intimidated by the fans, then they shouldn’t own a football club.

  53. Micky Toon says:
    October 27, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    “Seriously, this whole rabid fans argument is very tiresome.”

    It may be “tiresome” for you, but it’s true nontheless. You reap what you sow, and that goes for Mike Ashley AND the fans. We are the Typhoid Mary of the football world.

  54. Anyone watch skysports news? On bbc 606 that ashley and that at the training ground and something could be happening in the next 24 hrs, anyone can confirm?

  55. Didnt Nolan say a week ago that they all see Ashley at the training ground every few weeks for lunch etc – think we need caution rather than jumping to conclusion just yet.

  56. Very true stardust just more wondering if anyone here has seen it as im stuck in work and I would find this site more realible than 606!

  57. I don’t get the Typhoid Mary reference you keep coming up with. She didn’t exist. Is that what you are trying to imply that everything that is said about the fans is a false hood, an urban myth with no substance?

  58. workyticket says:
    October 27, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    Worky,

    Do you think that someone would turn down the chance to buy Man Utd at the right price?

    Even though there is a large number of there fans have boycotted, demonstrated and EVEN started up their own football club?

    Liverpool boycott and have street marches every month in protest to Gillet and Hicks. Do you think that puts off any potential purchaser? Doubt it.

    The only thing putting off buyers from Liverpool is the debt. I suspect it’s the same here.

  59. Hitman

    ‘it must be greggs day at the training ground’ LOL

    Pasties just out the oven when the special radar on the chopper picked up the aroma and swooped down for Mike to ‘visit’ the training ground and have some scran

  60. Micky Toon says:
    October 27, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    “I don’t get the Typhoid Mary reference you keep coming up with.”

    Micky, you’re exaggerating, just like Excelsior. I’ve used it twice. Stop trying to deceive.

  61. workyticket says:
    October 27, 2009 at 2:59 pm
    Micky Toon says:
    October 27, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    “I don’t get the Typhoid Mary reference you keep coming up with.”

    Micky, you’re exaggerating, just like Excelsior
    <<<<< pack it in with your sly punches we dont want stardy to get dissqualified :lol:

  62. stardust Batty can I have a towel and some water please lol.<<<< ur havin nowt till the fights finished now crack on

  63. Stardust says:
    October 27, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Again your looking ridiculous – Ashleys statement re being willing to accept 80m up front is a fact – which was said by Ashlley – therefore it is admissable in law AND is a fact that should be considered.

    LOL!!!

    That he said this is the ONLY fact – Whether it is true we don’t know, and his track record on the truth is as shameful as Saddam Hussein’s record at the UN and Amnesty International.

    So I draw the conclusion that he did say it but in reality he won’t stick to it.

    I cannot draw any other conclusion with his track record.

  64. Workey
    Not so sure that`s really a problem, the Glazers had the same thing when they took over Man. U.
    Their answer was to keep a low profile and ignore the fans.
    Yeah i realize that many of their fans are from outside of Manchester, whereas all or a large percent of Newcastle fans are local and have a history of getting their own way.
    What it boils down to is I believe most fans would now settle for a bit of peace and tranquility if the club was being well run and appeared to have a positive plan in place for the future.
    Freddy and the Halls bought peace through buying trophy players or changing managers, crazy !
    But, on saying that there`s just no way back for Ashley no matter what, he is going to have to sell and I believe cant wait to get out.
    Problem is the recession, no one but oil rich Arabs and perhaps some Asian billionaire`s have the money to buy.
    Certainly no one from Europe/USA are going to invest one hundred million in a second tier football club.
    There are far better and certainly more profitable ventures to invest that kind of money in.
    Which means we are stuck with each other, will there be more turmoil, probably, but as long as Ashley does`nt show up at games (like the Glazers) things should in general be quiet.

  65. @Starturn

    Tell us all again whether “hearsay evidence” is admissable or not?

    You say it is, then you say it isn’t.

    You put left foot in, your left foot out, in out, in out, you stick it in your mouth. We do the Stardust shuffle, we turn around, and that’s what its all about.

    Woh do the Stardust shuffle, Woh do the Stardust shuffle, Woh do the Stardust shuffle, he clearly hasn’t got a clue.

    THE FACTS ARE, THAT HEARSAY EVIDENCE GENERALLY ARE NOT ADMISSABLE HOWEVER THERE ARE MANY CASES WHEN THEY ARE AND TOO MANY TOO LIST ON A BLOG!!

    WOO HOOOOO HOO HOOO!! HE’S WRONG AGAIN! wOH DO THE STARDY SHUFFLE!!

  66. My theory is that the people suggesting this ‘mob’ theory are as wrapped up in the Newcastle situation as much as the next bloke/lady. Consequently, they are unable to see/identify/believe that most football fans of reasonably-sized clubs are essentially the same.

    Like MT said, if you’re not capable of deterring a few detractors and dealing with adversity, should you really take on the responsibility of something that means so much to a lot of people? Unfortunately, hindsight as always is a beautiful thing. Arrogance isn’t though and I’m fairly sure that has played a part before, during and after.

  67. To be honest, whichever side of the argument you prefer. Troy ought to take a well-deserved bow for creativity :)

    Wordsmiths and poets in the red corner. The blue corner with his puffy eye and ad homs, needs to come out fighting!

    Can boxing ever have tag-teams? Perhaps it would be fair to allow worky to indulge a little more in the interests of fair play?

  68. Hoo man!!! Stardust wot yi deeing like?

    A kna “Hearsay evidence” can be used in the Big Hoose like? Yi kna the Crown Court like.

    ave used it mesel man. A telt the judge like, a says, “HEAR ! SAY MY EVIDENCE” IS SHITE AGAIN AM GANNA KNOCK YI BASTARD GREY TOUPEE OFF YA NAPPER LIKE!

    PROPER RADGEY THE JUDGE LIKE!

    What were gannin on aboot again?

  69. Worky, I don’t get what you are saying? Stop trying to deceive? Deceive who? I only asked why you used the Typhoid Mary reference in respect to NUFC and instead of answering my question you come out with some kind of accusation. Dear me, it’s getting tetchy on here.

  70. brian w says:
    October 27, 2009 at 3:45 pm
    this blog is the same as eds….same bell ends spouting the same crap as 12 months ago.
    <<<<< we can all guess wot the W stands for in brain dead W CANT WE w@nker

  71. batty stardust yawn yawn very boring…..and of course the micky “the moron” blaydon lad…..mmmm

  72. brian w says:
    October 27, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    batty stardust yawn yawn very boring…..and of course the micky “the moron” blaydon lad…..mmmm

    Wey hey, someone does take notice of what I post, I feel vilified.
    I think I know you brian, you used to work in the ticket office at the cattle market bus station before the knocked it down. I used to go in there to get my monthly travel pass before I had a car.

  73. Micky Toon says:
    October 27, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    “Worky, I don’t get what you are saying? Stop trying to deceive? Deceive who? I only asked why you used the Typhoid Mary reference in respect to NUFC and instead of answering my question you come out with some kind of accusation. Dear me, it’s getting tetchy on here.”

    Micky, yes, I was a little too ‘tetchy’, but seemingly almost every time I use something more than once now, someone like yourself or Excelsior makes some crack trying to suggest that I just say the same thing over and over again and it’s geting a little tiresome. However, I did go too far in your case after being trolled along the same lines yesterday, and for that I apologise.

  74. workyticket says:
    October 27, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Howey Worky what about the supporters of Man U and Liverpool being just as critical and irate as our fans, and showing via protest and boycotts.

    Why is it our fans that are putting off buyers but their fans seem to have done nothing to harm their reputations and scare off investors?

  75. @Nora

    Best make it an afternoon session cos Nora will have to be back for 8pm. You still on curfew Nora?

    I’ll have to bring Stardust along cos he doesn’t know his way to Shearer’s. He’s only heard of it.

    Nee Rockports allowed in Shearer’s Worky! Put your best Nike Air Max on.

    @ Bowburnmag – Travel up the A1 past Washington, past the Angel and follow the signs for Newcastle. Once you reach the Redheugh bridge, you will see a big stadium. Make your way to that. That is St James’ park and Shearer’s is under the Gallowgate. It’s a big city mind so bring your mam.

  76. Woo hooo hoo hoo!

    Bowbum is furious!

    Is that your mam in your picture profile?

    I would love a neet oot wi all us. It would be hilarious!

    I bet you are a hobbit?

  77. Brian, you know me? Really? Small world. I actually haven’t a clue who you are? I only know one brian in the real world and I know you aren’t him.
    Wormy I didn’t realise I was jumping on what you say with venom. I’m sorry if it felt that way. No harm intended.

  78. Apologies for interrupting the bun fight but does the fact that Hughton hasnt been appointed give us hope that the club might still be sold, the Telegraph article stated that it is still on the cards.

  79. “Excelsior – youre attempt at a dodge and swerve is rather limp.”

    Limp, eh? I guess you’d be the expert on that then?

    ‘I have not claimed anything other than what is known from “quotes” – when investigating anything to establish truth – detailed questioning must take place. In criminal law “hearsay evidence is inadmissable” it is inadmissable as it is liable to be skewed, distorted or made up – yet the foundation of what you think is formed on hearsay evidence.’

    And what are your “Quotes”….fact? Hardly! The majority of quotes from our delightful regime have been exposed as half truths, at best. The ludicrous idea that merely because something has been attributed to someone it, mysteriously, becomes fact has me chuckling. As I said those who take anything at face value deserve what they get.

    “You say “We have no “Hard Facts”” therefore all is supposition…no conclusive evidence supports either side.”
    Again your looking ridiculous – Ashleys statement re being willing to accept 80m up front is a fact – which was said by Ashlley – therefore it is admissable in law AND is a fact that should be considered.”

    I’ve no doubt Ashley, at one time, let it be known that he’d accept £80m for the club; but that’s hardly relevant; in the light of today’s events (even as I types this I’m scratching my head as to what todays events actually were…..no attributable quotes from either side to go on) his acceptance of £80m rather than £100m seem like old news. In any case, I may be wrong here but, I don’t remember any quote DIRECTLY attributable to Ashley being made about the £80m. Indeed both Ashley and Moat have been tight-lipped on the subject. Information has filtered out to us from, our old friends, “Sources close to the deal”; again needs verifying.

    “The only time when you can rely on anything other than face value is when you have had chance to probe and question in detail the respondent as outlined. You have never done this – so you then “suppose” to form an opinion. In other words you make it up.”

    So you claim to have questioned Ashley, in detail, to ascertain that your “Facts” are correct? That’s nonsense….and you know it. My “suppositions” (I make no more claim for them than that) are based on everything I’ve seen, heard, and read, about this situation over the last two years. I find the conclusions you’ve drawn, from the same evidence, as baffling as you find mine!? I understand you’re “Something” in the legal profession ( a bookend perhaps) but the sort of shallow, buzz words you’re tossing around here could’ve been gleaned from any episode of “Judge John Deed”

    “You further embarrass yourself “Two more pieces of “supposition”: First, if the club is ever sold I expect Ashley to insist the new regime has a gagging order on it, to prevent past transgressions being discussed.”
    Out of what thin air did you grab that from? A line formed on hatred alone.”

    No embarrassment here, Stardy….you got me there; I just threw that one in to get a rise out of you….worked rather well, I thought?

    “I dont claim a victory Excelsior – you climbed through the ropes and threw yourself on the floor before a punch was even thrown. Incredibly lame.”

    And nor should you claim a victory either. Your selective, spotty conclusions, pseudo-legal gibberish and over-arcing pomposity have not convinced me my thinking is wrong. You’ve won nothing.

    “Batty can I have a towel and some water please lol.”

    Yes, Batty, fan his magnificence, he sweats. Give him the water but save the towel for throwing in later! BTW: I thought you were reffing this bout not being Stardusts towel boy? LOL.

    P.S. It’s “Inadmissible” not “Inadmissable”….and this from one of the Country’s finest legal minds (allegedly)….Tut, tut, tut.

  80. Hoo man bigbadbob! Forget aboot the tek owa like! A was doon the park wi hooters yesterday man, on wu BMX’s and Hooters reckons the hold up is aal doon to him cos he kna’s Ashers couldn’t afford the amount of cowies he wants.

    Hooters reckons he’s off his nut every saturday man cos he teks about 20 E’s before the game!! Thats about £20 yi kna.

    Hoo like, if you want any more gen aboot the toon, aal problies get some the morro cos big Mick Ash has telt is to meet him doon Dene!! He reckons his camp doon there is bigger than St. James’ . Ha, he’s a reet doylem like! He’s alreet tho, if yi kna what a mean.

    Anyways, laters!!!

  81. Excelsior:

    Ashley told The Sunday Times 18th Octiber 2009 QUOTE: “Barry Moat has been driving me mad for two years. If he wants to buy the club, he’s got a one-off opportunity to come up with the cash — £80m upfront.”

    Makes everything you’ve said look ridiculous and a nonsense really doesn’t it – especially when you’ve ridiculed me throughout – when I had a real quote to go on – what did you have – the square root of zero.

    Next time – please prepare for your duel – you’ve looked a it of a chump in this one.

  82. Gotta be honest Excelsior, Ashley did say that. Although it’s debatable as to whether he actually meant it.

    I doubt it going off his record though.

    Who do you believe anyway? We have been told that before anything can be done or discussed the would be buyer has to provide proof of funds.

    Well according to Ashley and his henchman nobody has. So why are they still negiotiating?

    What a mess this is.

  83. As I said Stardy…I wasn’t sure whether he’d said it or not, turns out he did. Thanks to you (and Stuart) for clearing that up for me.

    It does NOT invalidate everything I’ve said, and I neither look, nor feel like a chump, thanks for being concerned.

    Ashley’s dollar value of the club is NOT what’s in question here: his method, motive and morals ARE. I reiterate: Your conclusions are NOT facts…anymore than mine are.

    Saying he wants £80m for the club IS a fact…as it turns out. Saying Ashley had this clubs best interests at heart when he took over is NOT a fact….it’s a supposition. Unless, of course, you’ve grilled Big Mike, all legal stylee, and found the truth of it? Again, I would expect you to know the difference, I’m a little disappointed in you there.

    Heartening to see you’ve used your spellcheck this time….clarity is everything, you know.

    Sorry, my maths is a little shaky….what’s the square root of zero again?

    Fun this, isn’t it?

  84. Strange Excelsior – I will let others draw their conclusions from this thread alone.

    I appreciate your need to now try and move goalposts – may I suggest another pitch.

    I need not comment any more for the fear of making more spelling mistakes. Ouch you got me. lol.

  85. Excelsior says:
    October 27, 2009 at 6:44 pm
    I take it, Stardust, your are familiar with the term “Filibustering” ?

    Give him a few minutes, he’s just googling it…

  86. Lads its starting to get like Eds on here lately, I blame batty for starting all the fights ;). ans someone else mentioned the fact CH still hasn’t been given the job, i find that a bit odd as they must have had enough time to sort it out by now. So you could think there is something on the horizon maybe marry boat has the £80 mill.

  87. hitman lol there could be some truth in that, stardust is the organ grinder and batts is his monkey lol

  88. hitman says:
    October 27, 2009 at 7:27 pm
    if stardust and ex are going toe too toe they need to keep it, clean no low blows stardust.

    Is that a double entandre Hitman?

  89. Get in excelsior, you’ve got him right on the ropes. I’ve just phoned him and he is livid!!!!!

  90. Troy Stavers says:
    October 27, 2009 at 7:42 pm
    Get in excelsior, you’ve got him right on the ropes. I’ve just phoned him and he is livid!!!!!

    Bake bean tin and a piece of string?

  91. He didn’t know what Filibustering was either !! woo hoo hoo hooo!!!!!

    I told him it was an anagram and he said he would try and work it out!!

    Woo hooo hoo hooo hoo

    over to you Carol excelsior Vorderman with the answer.

  92. Come on Stardy, we are waiting.

    Excelly has you on the ropes and you aren’t hitting back!!

    Woo hoo hoo hoo

    Stardy is the raging mouse!!! Squeak Squeak

  93. Troy Stavers says:
    October 27, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    “Stardy is the raging mouse!!! Squeak Squeak”

    Don’t you mean moose?

  94. I suggested earlier to those who were interested.

    An afternoons drinking session, maybe Shearer’s. Anyone interested?

  95. troy who the fk in the reet mind would go for a sesh with ye,you can gaarantee tee we will be in pligrim sells by 10.ll.lol

  96. George Caulkin of the Times is having a live web chat tomorrow at 1pm on the Times website. It’s for the three North East clubs but something tells me it will be highjacked by Toonfans.

    It will be interested to get his opinion on what is actually happening. He seems like one of the better journo’s.

  97. If you don’t know what filibustering is Stardust, you should really just say so:

    “A filibuster, or “talking out a bill”, is a form of obstruction in a legislature or other decision-making body whereby one attempts to delay or entirely prevent a vote on a proposal by extending a debate on that proposal.”

    Filibustering seems to be your stock in trade, Stardust. A lot of verbose, waffle aimed at misdirection and incitement.

  98. Stardy knows, just wont respond to a baying mob, we had a conversation a couple of days ago, on the likelihood of the Republicans to filibuster against the introduction and forced passage of a health care reform bill.
    What ? think Stardy`s a kna nowt ? howeh man!

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