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Keegan: “I don’t think thats on”. Dirty Den: Mike will “hold on”.

Posted on October 5th, 2009 | 195 Comments |

Keegan: 'There's nothing been hidden'.
Keegan: 'There's nothing been hidden'.
Speaking in an inverview with Ray Stubbs in his new role as a pundit for ESPN, former Newcastle United manager, Kevin Keegan, spoke in some depth about his £2 million pound payday from the club, and his possible future in football.

When asked by ‘Stubbsy’, “would you ever consider returning to a club you love so much?” Keegan replied:

“I don’t think it’s on to return back there now, I think the fans have had enough of that but you never know in football.

Meanwhile, over on rival, Sky Sports News, old sparring partner, ex NUFC DOF, and Geordie Pantomime villain, Dennis Wise, gave his own thoughts on Mike Ashley’s plans for the future of Toon. More on that story after the Keegan show.

What follows is a full transcript of the Kevin Keegan interview.

Stubbsy: Kevin, a Premier League arbitration panel ruled in your favour in regard to the situation at Newcastle United. I’m sure you’re relieved it’s all over. What was the main purpose of your claim?

Special K: Well, really to clear everything up. It wasn’t a great situation. I don’t think there are really any winners in it but we’ve got to move on now. The club have got to move on and I’ve got to move on. It’s out in the open. An independent arbitration panel have made a judgement. People can read it, it’s out there for everyone to read so there’s nothing been hidden.

Stubbsy: “Was it important to you that the truth came out?”

Special K: “Very much so, that’s what it was all about. It’s out there now, everybody knows what happened and people will decide what was right and what was wrong and that’s the way it should be.”

Stubbsy: “As far as the main purpose of your claim is concerned, as far as reputation was concerned and the way that things have been done was that absolutely key to what you wanted?”

Special K: “What I wanted was really my job. The thing I’ve lost is managing the club that I love so that’s why I say there have been no winners. But life goes on, things happen, you meet people sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t in football. And this didn’t work.”

Stubbsy: “Do you have a feeling of unfinished business? Would you ever consider returning to a club you love so much?”

Special K: “I don’t think it’s on to return back there now, I think the fans have had enough of that but you never know in football. I’d like to think there’s still something left in me in football but we’ll wait and see.”

Stubbsy: “But the enthusiasm remains and the fire remains?”

Special K: “Yeah, very much so.”

Stubbsy: “Do you think this sends out any signals as far as meddling chairman, directors and structures that a manager has to be able to get on with the job? Do you think it sends out any sort of signals?”

Special K: “Every case is different. What happened to me was wrong because I was promised something and it wasn’t delivered and that’s why we ended up winning the case. But every club is different. They know on the continent they’re not going to have the power to sign players and sell players but that’s not really the case in England and I think that’s where it fell down. It certainly didn’t work for me because you can’t have a player forced on you for a lot of reasons. If a player is forced on you, and he’s there for the wrong reasons, he’s coming thinking he’s going to play. He’s not happy to be in the reserves and not play. That’s a lot of fundamental issues that are very important from a football point of view. Forget business and commercial deals.”

Stubbsy: “I bet you fought your corner? I bet there were a few confrontations?”

Special K: “The panel were very fair, they made a judgement. It would have been better if it never happened, I was still at Newcastle and we were still in the Premiership. And I think we would have been.”

Wise spills on Sky.

As mentioned earlier, over at SSN, Dennis Wise speculated, possibly with the benefit of inside information, that Mike Ashley may keep the club until next summer, hoping for promotion in the meantime so he can recoup more of his losses. Mystic Den said:

“In my opinion I think they will go up this season. I think Chris Hughton has done a fantastic job. I really hope they get up and I mean that.

“I think he will hold on to it at least until they get promoted. I don’t know what they will do after that. Mike Ashley is one of those people who takes things on the chin and gets on with it. He does things he thinks are right and that’s it. He went public and told everybody he wanted to sell it.

“He told everybody his feelings. He has the best interests of Newcastle United Football Club. If he feels somebody can come in and give them what they want then he will do that.”

Nacho kerfuffle.

On the Ignacio ‘Nacho Gonzalez / agent kerfuffle which was supposedly the straw that broke the camel’s back for the special one, Wise said:

“The long term idea of the relationship was we would get first option on the best young South American kids and that was important to the club.

“Mike was fine about it. He knew all about it, he is the owner of the football club and it is his money. It was all done the right way. It isn’t always how it is portrayed, it was all done properly.

“It was a difficult situation at Newcastle with Kevin, these things happen. People have disagreements and don’t see eye to eye.

“It’s sad, I was doing the job to do the best I could for Newcastle, but in the end it all turned out wrong. It’s difficult to talk about it.

“If Kevin had won £26m in compensation, what effect would that have had on the football club? Mike was worried about it, you’d expect someone to panic a bit a bit about paying out that much money.”

More on the Nacho/Wise/Keegan/Brazilian agent kerfuffle here >>

Hughton closing in on permanent hot seat?

Recently, it has also been rumoured that Chris Hughton will be given the manager’s position at Newcastle full time, instead of as a temporary caretaker until the club is purchased. While this could still be guff, if there was some truth in it, this would also indicate that Mike Ashley is preparing for another year as owner, as the team at last starts to get some form of consistent leadership under the London manager.

Are these all parts of a jigsaw? Is Ashley consolidating for a long stretch? Or is Moat’s boat still afloat? Time will tell…

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195 Responses

  1. The fans need to draw a line under the Kevin Keegan debacle and move on.
    For once I agree with Dennis Wise – I think Ashley is here until at least the end of the season.

  2. Deb, I think part of the problem is that some fans won’t be able to draw that line while Ashley’s still in charge of the club.

    Personally I hope Ashley goes sooner rather than later, although that’s nothing to do with the KK situation – I just hate this feeling of ‘temporariness’ and ‘short-termism’ we have while Ashley’s here, knowing he plans to sell up. I want to see the club starting to plan for where we’ll be in the next 5 years rather than the next 5 minutes.

  3. Thanks for that Dennis! It’s much clearer now. KK is the bad guy obviously. Nothing to do with hidden agendas.

    Barry pull your finger out, buy the club and put KK back in the hot-seat! :)

  4. batty – the romantic part of me would love it, but my head says it’s not worth the pantomine it would be if he did. We would get such a kicking for it. And truthfully I was never convinced when we got him last time that it was the right move, though only because I sensed it would never be as good the second time round. I was still excited when it happened though, I could never deny that. And he brought a sparkle back to the place albeit short-lived.

    I just think we need to stay under the radar and get on with things and KK coming back would see our reputation in ruins. Although having said that, our reputation is already rock-bottom.

  5. Good article Worky and I definitely liked the pic.
    Just wanted to ask another question. The court ruling claimed the ‘commercial’ buying of Nacho was “improper” but “not illegal”. Why is it not illegal? I feel it should be. It just seems so underhand and dishonest a way to do business. I also read the the Uruguayan guy who was the middleman in the deal between Wise/Ashley and the agents has been done for massive tax evasion. If this is a really commonplace and an above board way to do business why isn’t it made public? ie why don’t the clubs that do this just come out and say, ‘we just got a player on loan for 1m in wages but we have no intention of playing him as it was just a ‘favour’ we are doing for some agents.’ Also, then as the favour was done at least a year ago, where are the magnificent south american players NCL were promised to sign in return for the deal?

  6. Jill – nail on the head hit the.

    Not necessarily in that order.

    The whole thing stinks when you consider the background of the agent (assuming the details are correct).

    And the £1m (did that include the wages) was obviously money well spent, what with all of the leads we got from it. Even if you consider these ‘commercial deals’ to be an effective way of doing business, it’s not the greatest success story?

  7. Jill, BBM,

    The tribunal didn’t actually see the loan deal for Nacho as a ‘commercial’ deal only. They simply didn’t believe the club in that respect because Wise tried to ‘sell’ the idea to Keegan, stressing that Nacho was Uruguayan international and trying to get Keegan to buy into the idea of this player.

  8. Hugh – aye fair do’s. Which was Keegan’s sticking point, i.e. You’re giving me an international player that I’m going to have to pacify for an entire year, even if I don’t want to play him?

    I just mean even if we considered it solely as a ‘commercial deal’, as the club then said, it wasn’t exactly great business?

  9. So when does a ‘commercial deal’ get called ‘a bribe’ or ‘a bung’? Which is what it is. It just seems like polite terminology for an illegal act to me, or am I missing something?

  10. Ashley has set a asking price and he has recieved a bid of that asking price – Yet it seems likely that he will stay.

    Obviously that’s his perogotive but surely that just stinks of pure unadulterated greed??

    My only worry is that he thinks we will get promoted without any more investment, well I don’t think we will. The last two home games have proved that.

    Ashley should do the decent thing and do one!

  11. Jill

    I don’t think it can be called a bribe or a bung because the only payment that changed hands was the players wages allegedly. There was no payment to the agent, the other club etc as the player was on loan. That’s my understanding anyway.

  12. Jill, business is full of this sort of stuff and I’ve no reason to expect football to be any different.

    Some of this sort of stuff might appear ‘shady’ but it’s probably not illegal, although that all depends upon the regulations governing the business in question.

    Football has been pretty hot in cracking down on agents, betting, allegedly ‘wayward’ managers and such so I expect if these sorts of commercial deals go on regularly then they are at least tolerated – even if not outright approved – within the industry.

    I think as far as a manager is concerned it’s what he’s expected to do with such a player. If he has to keep him happy, train him, play him, budget for him or whatever then he obviously needs a say in the transfer. If a club said to a manager “we’re bringing in this player, it won’t come out of your transfer or wages fund and you never have to play him or worry about him (and the player knows that) – we’ll just stick him in the reserves and see if he gets a game” then I suppose a manager doesn’t need a say in matters.

  13. Dennis Wise – states “it’s his money”. Well not really Wisey. Unless I’m going to get refunds on the money I keep forking out for tickets.

    The truth of it is, we help pay their wages and that kid picked up a tidy sum of money for doing f-all.

    What exactly did we get out of it?

  14. To Deb, Hugh and BBM thanks for the replies. What happens if the middle man who brokered the deal between Wise/Ashley and the agents has a vested interest in Nacho’s wages as he ‘part owns’ Nacho’s footballing contract? Does the deal become any more illegal then?

  15. To BBM LOL ‘Hell Yeah’. I guess you remembered I live in USA. I woke up about 2.30am and couldn’t get back to sleep, so what better way to pass a night than reading and writing on my fave web site. Well, it’s 7.18am my time, so I’m going to try to get a few hours kip before it gets too late. Cheers,
    Jilly Bean

  16. Jill – Ashley wouldnt spend 1.0m if he wasnt getting any benefit. It would be two fold – one as DW states – access to the best South American youngsters, and 2 a player for the season.

    It probably represented good value and a good investment.

  17. I think you made a typo worky, it should be

    Special K: “The thing I’ve lost is managing the club and fans that I love to screw”

    KK should not start again with his talk about loving the club after this debacle.

  18. Stardust @ 21 –

    a) They explicitly stated there was never any intention for him to play.

    b) Where are all of these ‘best South American youngsters’?

  19. Yeah, he’s exactly like that…….

    Her’s was more surprising, because people thought she didn’t have a leg to stand on.

  20. Not Sure Batty.

    BBM must wear those novelty huge sunglasses that were sold at Blackpool – pink and rose tinted of course – he also must wear a hat with “Kiss me Kev” written on it ;)

  21. I bought you a t-shirt while I was there.

    It says ‘I won’t admit when I’m wrong’ on the front.

    And on the back it’s got a cartoon of you and Ashley on your honeymoon.

  22. Hey BBM “I won’t admit when I’m wrong”

    I will – always do – I remember it once…. I will do again when I am wrong next time….but not on this one ;)

    Enjoy your time on the Pepsi Max

    Cheers

    Keith

  23. Stardust says:
    October 5, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    “Worky – at 26 – the best line in this whole debate I have ever read lol.”

    Stardust, whenever my Cockney mafia friends ask me “what is the difference between Geordies and Mackems?” I just give them her name and that whingy Mackem agony aunt, Denise, on “This Morning” and they understand immediately! :-)

  24. UTD111 says:
    October 5, 2009 at 8:41 am

    “See you’ve got Kev stripped Worky…..you fancy him then?”

    UTD111, I have a 70s picture of Kev to suit any mood. That one was to go with Kev’s quote “There’s nothing been hidden”. Geddit? ;-)

    On the subject of that quote, it’s good to see that Kev’s special talent for completely mangling the English language remains!

  25. @ BowBurnMag:
    > Keegan has has taken £2million plus attempting £25 Million let us not forget.

    > He has taken away our premier league status as a result of him walking.
    > He has taken away our unity thus deeply divided the fans
    > He has taken away our ability to sign anyone during the previous window. Had he not been attempting to steal £25m we might have been better poised to make some purchases rather than tightening the purse strings just in case Keegan did win such an amount.

    After all this the man has the audacity to say the ‘club I love’ ohhh Madon!!! this guy…..

    Also @ post 24 you stated:

    a) They explicitly stated there was never any intention for him to play.

    b) Where are all of these ‘best South American youngsters’?

    Surely the transfer was done as a favour as a means of networking. We may not get the youngster tomorrow but we are establishing good ties so in the event that they do produce a talented player we have among the first in line. It is an investment for the future surely to view it as a waste of space is very short sighted and the fact Keegan walked as a result of this investment shows he has a narrow view of things and thus cannot see the big picture.

  26. bowburnmag says:
    October 5, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    “b) Where are all of these ‘best South American youngsters’?”

    Bowburn,

    Did you check out this YouTube channel out from my story on Nachogate?

    http://www.youtube.com/user/admesporte

    ADM Esporte are the Brazilian agency who marketed Nacho, and their other players on there too.

    Should keep you away from work for a while. :-)

  27. Michael12 says:
    October 5, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    > He has taken away our premier league status as a result of him walking.
    > He has taken away our unity thus deeply divided the fans
    > He has taken away our ability to sign anyone during the previous window.

    Some may say Ashley has done this by his actions….

  28. Where are all our good young players from south america that we wasted one million on just so we could potentially get them??? Nowhere to be seen…pity because according to you keith this was an astute move by ashley(not very astute in my eyes as it eventually led to relegation/less players/no young south american talent)….1 million of the clubs money down the drain

  29. michael12 – Mike Ashley is fully responsible for introducing somebody who divides the masses. It is he who has taken away our unity.

    As Mike Ashley has now been outed as the guilty party from last year’s shenanigans, it is again he who is responsible for the mess we are in. He was also the man with the purse strings in all of the windows before, during and since. And as the board clearly went to great lengths to say they held the power in bringing players in, it is surely his fault that we have a small squad?

    I considered the commercial deal. Let’s just say I agreed with the principles, even though I don’t. How long exactly are we supposed to wait before seeing the fruits? Honestly? Is 14 months not long enough?

    And Stardust was advocating the move based on getting a player for the season, when the club happily admitted he wouldn’t be here to play.

  30. Fck no worky.

    Don’t give me more stuff to distract.

    I’ve already done sod-all today.

    I’ll watch it later.

  31. bowburn,
    aye, ashley is guilty of introducing someone divisive, kk?

    The rot all kicked off when he walked.
    He was not universally welcomed back, if you remember?
    ashley’s biggest mistake. Tried to appease the vociferous minority, failed, cos he backed the wrong guy.
    kk has gone to great lengths to ‘have the right to walk’ & a few £££ on the side. He’s got it, so, now he’s ‘successfully’ walked.
    The end?

  32. bowburnmag says:
    October 5, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    “michael12 – Mike Ashley is fully responsible for introducing somebody who divides the masses. It is he who has taken away our unity.”

    Bowburn,

    I telt ye he was wrong to bring back Kev, now you agree with me! :-)

    Maybe we should have a Bowburnmag assessment of some of the players on those agency videos? A “here’s who we could have had” kinda thing?

  33. Originally, I never thought it was a good idea to bring him back. I always said that. Just not for the same reasons as you fellas.

    But I did get carried away in the euphoria, and I would still back him to the hilt for everything he gave to this football club.

  34. bowburnmag says:
    October 5, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    “If I get time, I’ll put something together but hoping to get that interview out tonight.”

    No rush Bowburn, do the interview. I’ll probably do another story about it, then you could do your “man in the sheepskin” bit later, with a lighthearted assesment of some of the talents on display?

    Whaddya think?

    This is a ‘scoop’ y’knaa!

  35. It’s hilarious listening to all these whingeing, bitter and twisted people who won’t accept the tribunal findings and that Kevin was totally vindicated…..

    I can almost accept it from Stardust as he never can see when he’s wrong and what a fool he makes of himself again and again, but the rest of you I have always considered to be intelligent and worth listening to……

    People……The Fat CB and his cronies admitted in the tribunal to LYING TO US, THE FANS – yet that sort of gets brushed over – Incredible LOL

    Well done Sir Kevin – you come out of this with your head held high!!!

  36. UTD111 – BBM.

    Wake up – smell the coffee – emotional attachment does not sit well with a rational objective thought process.

  37. bowburnmag says:
    October 5, 2009 at 2:12 pm
    Yeah, he’s exactly like that…….

    Her’s was more surprising, because people thought she didn’t have a leg to stand on.
    ————————————————-

    BBM
    That reminds me of when Sir Paul was doing a tv interview where he was asked “do you think you’ll ever go down on one knee again?”

    Quick as a flash he replied “she’s got a name, you should call her Heather”

    :)

  38. You’re right.

    Which is why we weren’t sitting on the tribunal.

    But our gut instincts turned out to be right in the end.

    You should listen to your heart more. Sometimes the ‘facts’ come back to haunt you.

  39. i’m glad some others have picked up on the “favor” bit that was brought up during all of this. from what i’ve read, the loan itself was 100% by the books, so there’s nothing wrong there – though the motives behind it don’t exactly leave a warm fuzzy feeling.
    i’m sure that this kind of things actually happens more often than anyone thinks, though a manager a little less stubborn than KK might just go along with it.

  40. UTD111 – I wasn’t sure whether most people saw it in bad taste or it had gone over their heads.

    I don’t mean her leg……

  41. After her rant on GMTV, a psychologist said that Heather Mills was clearly unbalanced.

    Sir Paul phoned in and said that a couple of beermats under her left leg usually does the trick!

  42. Stardust says:
    October 5, 2009 at 4:48 pm
    UTD111 – BBM.

    Wake up – smell the coffee – emotional attachment does not sit well with a rational objective thought process
    ————————————————-

    Stardust
    Twisting and whingeing, and presenting opinion and conjecture as fact may be a rational objective thought process in your head, but it serves no purpose. It would be much better (for you) if YOU smelt the coffee, accepted you were wrong and moved on…..

    But that’s up to you.

  43. UTD 111 – now look and listen – junior school style.

    The tribunal gave Keegan the win BECAUSE they did not believe the club misled the fans – they believed KK had the final say.

    So KK won.

    NUFC may have put forward a defence to the tribunal – the tribunal decided was incorrect THEREFORE by its very nature – it means that NUFC etc HAD NOT misled the fans – they simply tried a defence strategy.

    And then you laugh at others – come on Einstein – think about it before you put it in black and white just how hate filled you are.

    IRONICALLY IF NUFC HAD WON THE TRIAL YOU COULD HAVE CLAIMED THEY HAD MISLED FANS – BUT AS THEY WEREN’T BELIEVED YOU CANT.

    So back to that school report for thought process “E-“.

  44. Stardust
    You’re right about one thing – you do write in junior school style….

    Ashley and his cronies admitted to the tribunal that THEY LIED TO THE FANS in their public statements about Sir Kevin having the final say. They then tried to justify this by saying it was OK because it was just a “public relations exercise”!! As if Ashley would know anything about public relations!!!

    Ashley is a liar. He admitted it – why can’t you?

  45. It wasnt believed – why do you try to argue for the verdict and against it UTD 111

    M’Lud – I put it to the defendant he simply has a hate filled agenda and is too thick to see that people see through it.

  46. 8O

    You really are reaching now Keith.

    It’s not mutually exclusive.

    Just because they didn’t believe the lie, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t a lie.

  47. LOL – BBM – youre a bright bloke – thats a ridiculous statement.

    You can not claim victory and also that the other version of events was credible. That was a key point of their argument to discount what had been said (I said in the article I didn’t believe it – that it was a view given to the trial to circumnavigate the press releases they had made)

    As I said – love is blind ;)

  48. BowburnMag: We must admit that while you disagreed like myself and a handful with the appointment of Keegan the Majority were unified and chorused “We are Geordies, mighty Geordies and Keegan is our King”.

    I have always argued and some have agreed that Keegan was brought in to manage the fans while Ashley initiated his five year plan. No other manager in the world would have been given five years to start producing the dancing, winning entertaining and world beating football other than Keegan. Look at Sam half a season and the fans called for him.

    Keegan Unified the masses while we level headers looked on sceptically and were accused of not moving with times and being out of step with reality when we knew we were right. Had Ashley brought in a Wenger or a Scolari we level thinkers might applaud the approach as prudent and calculated but the masses will demand we must win the league by the halfway stage of the season or off with his head. Ashley chose to unite the Majority because he would prefer the majority to walk through the gate not just the minority and the majority are capable of causing more trouble as we saw.

    Keegan’s Job was to place emphasis on the united in the Newcastle.

    Sadly he has divided us.

  49. Keegan himself isn’t really the issue here, he’s just a mediocre manager whose achilles heel is his childish, impatient temperament and lack of foresight.

    What is really interesting is the collective psychology of Newcastle United supporters, and the way they react to Keegan and Shearer. It isn’t the same as say, Hoddle at ‘Spurs, or Dalglish at Liverpool. It’s more like the bizarre hysteria generated at the funeral of Lady Di, or the hysteria generated by Hitler in the Germany of the ‘thirties.

    That’s what intrigues me more than anything, and unravelling what lies behind it.

  50. I don’t think he needed to bring Keegan back. I think it was totally unnecessary, which is what makes all of this so much more depressing. Mike Ashley has managed to ruin our football club and further damage the reputation of one of my heroes in the process. That’s good going Mike. Cheers again for that.

  51. seige mentality?
    Mass hysteria?
    superstition?
    Gullibility?
    Abuse as a child?
    Delusions of romantic notions?

  52. Worky, how long do you think this collective psychology has been present? That might provide a clue to its origin.

  53. BBM – “Mike Ashley has managed to ruin our football club and further damage the reputation of one of my heroes in the process”

    Far from it – he could equally and arguably be accused of saving it.

    Of course the money is always overlooked in favour of a messiah.

    Keegan might have contributed to this football club in a footballing sense – but NO man in history has helped this club financially as much as Mike Ashley.

  54. It probably comes from a need to be different & apart, stemming from wars between england & scotland. Being forced to support king george. Invasions. A need for an independent identity. Which, strangely, was turned down when given the opportunity to vote for said ‘separate identity’. But, yet again, hyperbole was the order of the day, so we actually went against our own belief system.
    Work that paradox out.

    Plain old s&m then, maybe?

  55. Call me naive but I’d say it’s simply down to loyalty.

    Fortunately it would seem that loyalty was not betrayed this time around.

    Unfortunately, despite it’s initially admirable qualities, those who tried to justify Ashley’s actions and were loyal to his cause have had their misplaced loyalty thrown back in their face.

  56. Loyal to what?
    king george?
    england?
    our own confusion?
    popular myth?
    adherence to our own sado/masochistic tendencies?

  57. Stardust – we’ve been there and done that. Our financial position is only healthier as a result of Mike looking after his own interests first. I was more sympathetic to his financial prudence but even that is wearing thin. If the best he has done is move money from one account to the other once he belatedly realised the problems, then thanks Mike. I dread the day he calls on our debt. And we are right back to square one.

  58. Workyticket

    Its the cult of the personality, there are a lot of so-called Toon followers who are quite prepared to put individuals before the club they claim to support, be it Keegan, Shearer or whoever their latest messiah is. I’ve been wracking my brain for weeks to try and figure out where this has come from, it is something unique to Newcastle and what i’ve read since friday on a certain other forum has just confirmed what i’d already thought there is a very vocal minority who will put individuals before the club.
    As for where its come from, well….i’ve been following the club since the mid 70s and am pretty certain it wasn’t part of the fan culture anytime before Daddy Hall started his ‘geordie nation’ campaign. Its continually being fed by the local and national press in their stereotyping patronising ways but the sad thing is there’s a lot of people who attatch themselves to our club quite happy to play along with it.

  59. Sorry make that minus square one, given our second flight status.

    Right, you miserable baskets, off oot for a run. Catch up with the arguments later.

  60. His interests, in this case, is NUFC, he owns it.
    It just so happens that that is our interests too, our city, our club, our life-blood.
    What he bought was a load of debt, along with the club.
    It’s a hell of a lot less than it was, & tbh, it was no where near as bad as some big clubs. But it wasn’t headed in a good financial direction.
    The important thing here is the good will that went with NUFC, mostly eroded now.
    And, worse yet, the good memory of battles fought with kk at the helm, tarnished.

  61. Hugh de Payen says:
    October 5, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    “Worky, how long do you think this collective psychology has been present? That might provide a clue to its origin.”

    Since John Hall with his fake “Geordie Nation” patter. That sort of thing is always dodgy to mess around with.

    Combine the feeling of strong nationalism, or regionalism, combined with the feeling that the whole region has been repeatedly deprived of something which is ‘rightfully’ theirs. The irrational feeling that there is some kind of conspiracy against Geordies by an evil institution called “the South” tends to make people look to certain individuals as figureheads or archetypes.

  62. batty,
    we gotta have a laugh mate, no matter which side of the fence we’re on. I’ve got fence marks, both sides have done stuff of note & both have been fools.
    I’m just a Toon supporter ’til death, i’ll get over it all, i just hope that everyone else will.
    I’ll NEVER get over being a part of the TOON though, branded mate.
    :)

  63. One day mate, soon hopefully, all this will be watter under the bridge, time heals man.

    New owner, new manager, back in the prem.

    Until then, i don’t think i need to tell you to keep the faith, do i?

    So,
    UNITED

  64. iclint i remember stardust when shearer was appointed he was like a big kid on xmas day and worky was still his normal miserible self lol

  65. batty says:
    October 5, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    “aye spot on clint but all the arguing p:sses me of at times like”

    aye batty, what really annoys me is all these WUMs who impersonate supporters of other teams and get everyone arguing. It’s disgraceful! :-)

  66. Funny isn’t it that Portsmouth can be bought and sold twice in three months and fat Mike cannot even sell us once in twelve months..

    Oh and not to forget that Bank of America can buy Merrill Lynch for $10B in ten minutes flat!

  67. :)
    I just watched & listened, can’t believe the way it’s gone.
    I was trying not to have expectations n’all that, but i certainly didn’t think this would happen.

    What did you think at the time?

  68. Hugh de Payen says:
    October 5, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    “Worky, it’s an interesting theory. I’ll cogitate.”

    That’s just a tiny part of it, Hugh, not the whole. There are all kinds of other factors that are missing from it, but that would take a whole book.

  69. Davy Mac @ 73 – spot on.

    Batty remember I was only happy Shearer was appointed as it was the right man to unite the fans – that was the most important factor in the run in. Shame Shearer showed himself to be tactfully inept and unable to muster 1 iota of team spirit.

  70. Stardust says:
    October 5, 2009 at 7:46 pm
    Davy Mac @ 73 – spot on.

    Batty remember I was only happy Shearer was appointed as it was the right man to unite the fans – that was the most important factor in the run in. Shame Shearer showed himself to be tactfully inept and unable to muster 1 iota of team spirit.

    LMAO!

  71. batty says:
    October 5, 2009 at 8:59 pm
    Stardust is no 1 safe from getting a slagging off from you apart from your mikey

    Batty,

    Do you listen to TalkSquark? Stardust is like Adrian Durham on there, he has to be controversial so people phone the station.

    I just laugh at the indignity of him.

  72. batty says:
    October 5, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    “Stardust is no 1 safe from getting a slagging off from you”

    Sheesh! batty! lol

    Of all the people to write that! I don’t know how you have the nerve sometimes. ;-)

  73. Stardust says:
    October 5, 2009 at 7:46 pm (Edit)

    Batty remember I was only happy Shearer was appointed as it was the right man to unite the fans – that was the most important factor in the run in. Shame Shearer showed himself to be tactfully inept and unable to muster 1 iota of team spirit.

    ===

    Grief, never had you down as one of those impatient types. You know the sort: manager doesn’t perform miracles in 5 minutes so boo him off the park.

    I’m not convinced Shearer’s the right man for the Toon at the moment myself but I certainly wouldn’t judge him on 8 games under the circumstances he had to deal with.

  74. Stardust says:
    October 5, 2009 at 9:15 pm
    Sorry Folks – Went fishing for a Battfish – looks like I caught one lol

    That would be battered haddock then?

  75. By the way ladies, I believe there has been significant develpoments over the weekend with regards to the sale of the club.

    Could be in the Journal tomorrow hopefully.

    You heard it hear first….

  76. Stardust, didn’t wanna add to your detractors with such pedantry issues, we knew what you meant.

  77. CLiNT FLiCK says:
    October 5, 2009 at 9:29 pm
    What do you know stuart?
    Or is that suspect?

    We’ll find out if I know anything tomorrow.

    Just hope it’s in the Journal.

  78. Giz a clue. Have you a source that cannot be revealed or something?
    Is it a barry moat moment or something from left field?

  79. how can any one still idolise kk after he tried to sue us for 25 mil

    equally how can any one still idolise ma after lying to the fans and kk and creating the whole mess to start with

  80. FLiCK,

    Just that real prgress has been made.

    Hopefully it will be in the Journal and we can all have a read.

  81. Batty – Trout are fine fish – I will take that as a compliment.

    Beye – the panel disregarded the misled the fans line as being untrue – therefore so should you.

    Courtroom antics no more or less.

  82. 5 nil i will never forget that match and they will never get beat by that agen in our life time love it just love it

  83. batty says:
    October 5, 2009 at 9:50 pm
    stardy soz i meant pike lol

    Don’t you mean pikeY?

    Summerof69, bit of a waste of time you changing your name as nobody has taken the slightest bit of notice…

  84. lol batty

    stardust

    realy ?? where?? i apologise if im wrong and admittadly cba to read the whole thing but im sure loads of people have said that ma did lie

  85. batty i have to admit that is a great memory

    stuart i know but im not too bothered its only a name and beye was a great player though i prefer my new name as it represents a good song and a great team

  86. beye M A could be jack the ripper and stardy would still back him but i have noticed he has started to call him ashley

  87. 127 batty says:
    October 5, 2009 at 9:57 pm
    stu do you relize your the only 1 on the blog who stardust has ever threatend

    I know. Then who went fishing and caught a Star-fish hook,line and sinker?!

  88. the 69 reminds me of stardust and mikey boy

    hahahahah fair enough then batty you are granted special permission to call me beye lol

  89. batty says:
    October 5, 2009 at 10:01 pm
    the 69 reminds me of stardust and mikey boy

    What a horrible thought!

    I have just had two sumo wrestlers jumo into my mind, rolling around in mud and sperm….

  90. the 69 reminds me of stardust and mikey boy

    What a horrible thought!

    I have just had two sumo wrestlers jumo into my mind, rolling around in mud and sperm….

    it might be better for every ones mental health if we moved on to a different topic

  91. batty says:
    October 5, 2009 at 10:08 pm
    stuart lol you know hes reading these comments lol

    Who Mike?

    I cannot see him reading this blog. Not unless they have wireless in Greggs!

  92. Got to admit “the 69 reminds me of stardust and mikey boy” is a class line.

    Beye – you need to read the full LMA website verdict – it basically says the panel does not accept the line that the club misled the fans in their statements.

    Basically it was court room antics – as they had released all the statements saying KK had the final say.

    So people are choosing to say they lied to us BUT they also accept the KK verdict of which the panels disregard for that statement went a long way to him winning the case.

  93. Beye – you probably need to read the LMA verdict in full – they discount the clubs reasoning they misled the fans – they dont believe it – and KK won – with that being one of the key points.

    Therefore they decided it was not true.

    i.e. even though the club tried to side step what they said to the fans – to defend against Keegan – they said they didnt believe their excuse.

    Therefore the panel decided that was not true and the club hadnt lied to the fans.

    IF the club had won – or that point been accepted – some of the fans would have had a point – but they didnt and they dont.

    Just a point in law.

  94. Stardust says:
    October 5, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    “Beye – you probably need to read the LMA verdict in full”

    Stardust, don’t you mean the arbitration panel? The LMA would be all on Keegan’s side, because that was his union and they were ponying up for him.

  95. I do lol – and Worky – yep youre right (though how a panel thats independent think its OK for shareholders to give an employee to control all expenditure on players is beyond me)

    For example – If the board signed Ronaldo for 50k and 1k a week – by their logic if Keegan said no – and they signed him anyway – Keegan could have walked and claimed constructive dismissal!

    Its a mad old world – this verdict is damaging and wide reaching in football where contracts arent worded appropriately.

  96. That last line is very poignant stardust.
    A new minefield, that sets a precedent. Ooooo!
    Sucks air through teeth.

  97. Clint Flick – there will be MD,s, Chairs and Directors scrabbling all over the land looking at their contracts with their existing management.

    What was bizarre for me from a legal standpoint – is all that NUFCs lawyers had to do was to produce a procession of deals that have been sanctioned by club owners, chairmen and directors without the managers approval.

    SBR suffered it at the hands of FF. Tottenham and Chelsea are famous for it – to suggest this doesnt go on is simply a nonsense.

    Poor legal defence – very poor.

  98. Just throwing this one out there – for all the KK supporters – drum roll BBM step in please.

    Whats your view on your hero as it is now apparent the 25million law suit was a barrier to sale and progress, not to mention summer transfers?

    Do you think his actions are culpable from that point of view – or do you support the damage he has done come what may?

  99. Worky – my post 141 is showing as blocked by CFC ? couldnt see it before but its showing now – what does that mean?

  100. Just to clarify 157 – as then that would be taken as part of a managers role – which wasn’t clearly defined in his contract

  101. Stardust – I approved it before.

    It’s difficult because if I said it was justified then I look like I’m just being stubborn. While everybody involved would have been aware that the 25m was highly unlikely to be awarded, it would have constrained things.

    So I guess it didn’t help matters but as Ashley was the cause of the issue, it’s he that has prevented the progress of the sale.

    I also think there is the small matter of the outstanding debt which is delaying things which makes the compensation look miniscule.

  102. Nah – Incorrect BBM – the 27m swing is too big a price to factor in.

    It was too much of an unknown for the sale to go through without a huge discount.

    Debt – manageable and forecastable – Unknowns – unmanageable and unforecastable.

  103. Stardust, thanks for the reply.
    It could get very interesting on that front.
    & you’re right about it happening many times in the past.
    It’s probably happening even as we type, to someone.
    I just wonder whether other teams supporters are as bothered as us about sifting through such technicalities though. Therefore it doesn’t see the light of day.

  104. Clint Flick – Probably as KK is the only man and manager in the world paid 3.0million and rising a year and will storm out in a hissy fit! (8 times lol – I know I know BBM before you pull me up – there’s always a reason)

    Anyone of sane mind would stay the course and work through it like they are being paid to do.

  105. worky – I was going to put something together for the Moat thing but I’m totally paggered and will try to do it in the morning if Hugh isn’t up to it.

  106. Stardust, most do man. (nice if you don’t have to, but who ain’t got a boss to answer to?)

    On the moat thing, oh, i dunno, like normal, i’ll wait & see before getting all judgmental.
    Like worky ticket-he doesn’t fill me with anything really, which may be a good thing.
    ;)

  107. Clint “(nice if you don’t have to, but who ain’t got a boss to answer to?)”

    Keegan apparently lol.

  108. Didn’t realised the news was in The Mail and The Times too. Looking fairly credible.

    Take a bow Stu79.

  109. Let’s all scour our contracts then?
    You never know what we can get away with.
    Wouldn’t mind a cheeky £2m. :)

  110. Stan – think about it – didnt somebody buy something you didnt want for you sometime – sue them – bleed them dry – didnt they buy you a company car you didnt want – werent you a sales rep and it wasnt the right colour to close your sales.

    You could get millions in commissions you missed out on.

    Your first mistake is you should have walked out – your second – you should have sued them quicker.

    I am sure KK will release a book “How to sue friends and walk out on people”

  111. Stardust says:
    October 5, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    “Worky – my post 141 is showing as blocked by CFC ? couldnt see it before but its showing now – what does that mean?”

    Stardust,

    It’s to stop automated spam. But in your case it could have been a one off issue with a browser cookie, as you don’t seem to have a problem usually. If your browser is set to block cookies, that might cause a problem too. The alternative is horrible though.

  112. Cheers Worky – signing off for the day – congrats – 50 more posts here than the combined total on Eds 7 threads!

    He really needs to stop Uzi-Blogging – he is ruining his own site – there is no flow or reason to anything – cant be bothered with it apart from one or two stories these days.

    Night fella.

  113. bowburnmag says:
    October 5, 2009 at 11:41 pm

    “Didn’t realised the news was in The Mail and The Times too. Looking fairly credible.”

    I’m not saying anything about this story in particular, but the ‘quality’ newspapers write just as much sh*te as the others. Remember, Louise Taylor writes for the Guardian. She ain’t the only one either. They lift garbage from supposedly ‘lesser’ journals, blogs and all over without checking them. The Mail couldn’t even be bothered to check that Nacho video was wrong. Virtually every thing the Mail writes is the diametric opposite of the truth anyway.

  114. Just throwing this one out there – for all the KK supporters – drum roll BBM step in please.

    Whats your view on your hero as it is now apparent the 25million law suit was a barrier to sale and progress, not to mention summer transfers?

    Do you think his actions are culpable from that point of view – or do you support the damage he has done come what may?
    ———————————————————-
    I’ve never posted on this site before and rarely on the other, though this site seems less populated by tossers and browser hijack adverts.

    I personally don’t think Keegan has damaged the club in any way with his proceedings.

    There is no history to suggest we would have bought anyone in the transfer windows judging by past spending and complete ignorance of the unbalanced squad we have had for years now.

    I also believe that the 25 million figure that Keegan was after was just to guarantee himself a couple of million which is what he got. I also think Keegan only wanted to clear his name and give the fans a reason for his resignation. He was totally within his rights to expose what has been happening at the club, and I am disgusted at the whole dodgy agent youtube scenario.

    As for this whole affair holding up the sale – it doesn’t bother me. I’m glad Mike Ashley has been shown to be a liar (again) and not capable of running a football club. I hope his career and reputation is destroyed in the same way he has destroyed my beloved NUFC.

    I’d also like to say that Chris Hughton is a total legend for what he has achieved whilst at the helm, and I hope he remains at the club when or if the takeover ever happens.

  115. To Workyticket, I’m definitely not 100% sure of this, but as far as I understand it, ‘Paco’ Casal is the middle man that was used between Wise/Ashley and the 2 agents. I think ‘Paco’ Casal owns a segment of Nacho’s contract for his signing fees or wages, I’m not sure if it is one or the other or both. Casal is a very unsavoury figure in Uruguay and hated by the footballing loving nation for the way his greed has systematically destroyed their home grown talent. Although reports vary on the amount, Casal is generally thought to owe about USD$1.4million in taxes that he is being taken to court for. The translation from Spanish to English is very bad, but here is an example of what a blogger has to say about Casal: Paco Casal is upset with Peñarol … And that must, perforce, shake to the core to many people in Uruguay. Say, journalists receiving coimeros on the table below. Say, football mafia leaders, earning good commissions and coimisiones thanks to him. The Pharisees costumed players who only think of him as a very special “way to happiness. And a bunch of gangsters, criminals and outlaws of various classes, in the latter case, that of “solidarity grermial.
    But, pulling the above, all Uruguayans such hate to Paco and we give a damn that the type might or might not be annoying little problem of hemorrhoids included some that, given its facade, presumably could affect … The Treasury of Uruguay is very upset Paco, because he has cheated tens of millions of dollars. The fans of Penarol Paco is angry with, because I filled in lines and at the end, his famous contribution to the cause peñarolense ‘was pure noise and no nuts. Peñarol himself has to be annoyed with Paco, because when I agreed, cheated the club stealing shamelessly three players Bizera, The Onion and Well. And all the fans are angry with Paco Celeste, because thanks to him and his insistence on certain players, not going to qualify for 2010 (only the damn Carini gave seven or eight points in the most infamous). The list is long, but is summarized in a few words: the vast majority of the population hate Paco. And we’d like him dead and buried … Along with all his accomplices!

    LOL step forward Mike Ashley

  116. Stardust says:
    October 5, 2009 at 10:26 pm
    Beye – you probably need to read the LMA verdict in full – they discount the clubs reasoning they misled the fans – they dont believe it – and KK won – with that being one of the key points.
    ——————————————————
    Stardust
    The club admitted lying to the fans on a number of occasions.

    Which bit of:
    LIED TO US
    ADMITTED IT
    do you fail to understand?

    Don’t take my word for it – read the Tribunal report:

    In a report in the Times of 29 January 2008, which Mr Charnley confirmed as having been accurate, it was stated that “Wise and Vetere will make the initial assessment before calling in Jimenez to do the deal, though Newcastle insist that Keegan will have the final say”.
    Two days later, on 31 January 2008, Mr Wise gave an interview in the Chairman’s office at the Club which was intended to be and was published on the Club’s website (and reported in the national Press) on the following day.
    In the course of that interview he stated: “I’m not here to be involved in the first team. I am not here to manage. I am here to help Kevin as much as possible in bringing young players through and also recommending certain players to him and he’ll say yes and no.
    “He has the final word and then no one else. I’m not gonna do things like bring players in behind his back. I’m not into that and everything that happens will be run past him and he’ll say yes, as I say, or he’ll say no”.
    24. Two days later, in the Club programme for 3 February 2008, the website interview was included with the headline: “Dennis Wise “I’m here to help Kevin – he has the final word””
    25. On 23 February 2008, Mr Mort gave an interview with “The Mag” (published independently by the Club’s supporters) in which he stated: “Everything that sits below Kevin, everything associated with the first team is his responsibility … Dennis and Jeff will help identify players and Kevin will then say yes or no”.
    26. The Club’s explanation for these statements, which, on their case, were simply untrue, was that they were nothing more than an exercise in public relations carried out so as not to undermine Mr Keegan’s position and made necessary, in the first place, by statements made by Mr Keegan himself to the press.
    We found this explanation to be profoundly unsatisfactory.

    So “the club” (Ashley and his cronies) admitted they lied to the fans on a number of occasions, and further, the Tribunal seem to be suggesting (“we found this explanation to be profoundly unsatisfactory”) they think the club was also lying to them in their explanation of motives.

    And this is the regime you are supporting?

    Good luck pal.

  117. Stardust says:
    October 6, 2009 at 12:08 am
    Cheers Worky – signing off for the day – congrats – 50 more posts here than the combined total on Eds 7 threads!
    <<<<you realy are a saddo

  118. Jill says:
    October 6, 2009 at 7:54 am

    “To Workyticket, I’m definitely not 100% sure of this, but as far as I understand it, ‘Paco’ Casal is the middle man that was used between Wise/Ashley and the 2 agents.”

    Thanks Jill, I read that the Uraguyan tax man was after Casal for over $100 million in three stories! He is Nacho’s agent, he’s the agent of virtually every player in Uruguay by all accounts. Of course, you’re right that he doesn’t seem to be a very popular character over there. One blogger described his hold on Uruguayan football as “Hitler-esque”.

    I’m having more difficulty with the Brazilian side of things and ADM Esporte, the company who marketed Gonzalez on YouTube. The remnants of my Spanish are still ok, but my knowledge of Portuguese is zero so chasing up the Brazilian side is harder. Auto translate just comes up with garbage sometimes so it’s best to understand fully what you are reading. ADM’s website is still ‘under construction’ too.

  119. Some favourite lines from the transcript that Jill provided –

    “we give a damn that the type might or might not be annoying little problem of hemorrhoids”

    “The fans of Penarol Paco is angry with, because I filled in lines and at the end, his famous contribution to the cause peñarolense ‘was pure noise and no nuts”

    “And we’d like him dead and buried … Along with all his accomplices!”

    Maybe we’re misinterpreting a lot of this and Paco Casal is an ointment that sorts out your piles.

  120. To BBM LOL The translation cracked me up so I just had to add it, but I love your idea of Paco as an ointment. I am really enjoying this web site so much. Whether I contribute or not, it is as funny as hell to read sometimes. I miss Geordie humour so much. Your discussions are always interesting and highly entertaining. Huge thanks to Worky if this is his web site. Cheers, Jilly Bean