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		<title>By: bowburnmag</title>
		<link>http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/10/keegan-i-dont-think-thats-on-the-fans-have-had-enough/#comment-9120</link>
		<dc:creator>bowburnmag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see you enjoying it! A little bit of home eh?</description>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/10/keegan-i-dont-think-thats-on-the-fans-have-had-enough/#comment-9118</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To BBM LOL  The translation cracked me up so I just had to add it, but I love your idea of Paco as an ointment. I am really enjoying this web site so much. Whether I contribute or not, it is as funny as hell to read sometimes. I miss Geordie humour so much. Your discussions are always interesting and highly entertaining. Huge thanks to Worky if this is his web site. Cheers, Jilly Bean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To BBM LOL  The translation cracked me up so I just had to add it, but I love your idea of Paco as an ointment. I am really enjoying this web site so much. Whether I contribute or not, it is as funny as hell to read sometimes. I miss Geordie humour so much. Your discussions are always interesting and highly entertaining. Huge thanks to Worky if this is his web site. Cheers, Jilly Bean</p>
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		<title>By: bowburnmag</title>
		<link>http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/10/keegan-i-dont-think-thats-on-the-fans-have-had-enough/#comment-8997</link>
		<dc:creator>bowburnmag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some favourite lines from the transcript that Jill provided - 

&quot;we give a damn that the type might or might not be annoying little problem of hemorrhoids&quot;

&quot;The fans of Penarol Paco is angry with, because I filled in lines and at the end, his famous contribution to the cause peñarolense ‘was pure noise and no nuts&quot;

&quot;And we’d like him dead and buried … Along with all his accomplices!&quot;

Maybe we&#039;re misinterpreting a lot of this and Paco Casal is an ointment that sorts out your piles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some favourite lines from the transcript that Jill provided &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8220;we give a damn that the type might or might not be annoying little problem of hemorrhoids&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The fans of Penarol Paco is angry with, because I filled in lines and at the end, his famous contribution to the cause peñarolense ‘was pure noise and no nuts&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;And we’d like him dead and buried … Along with all his accomplices!&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe we&#8217;re misinterpreting a lot of this and Paco Casal is an ointment that sorts out your piles.</p>
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		<title>By: workyticket</title>
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		<dc:creator>workyticket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill says: 
October 6, 2009 at 7:54 am 

&quot;To Workyticket, I’m definitely not 100% sure of this, but as far as I understand it, ‘Paco’ Casal is the middle man that was used between Wise/Ashley and the 2 agents.&quot;

Thanks Jill, I read that the Uraguyan tax man was after Casal for over $100 million in three stories! He is Nacho&#039;s agent, he&#039;s the agent of virtually every player in Uruguay by all accounts. Of course, you&#039;re right that he doesn&#039;t seem to be a very popular character over there. One blogger described his hold on Uruguayan football as &quot;Hitler-esque&quot;. 

I&#039;m having more difficulty with the Brazilian side of things and ADM Esporte, the company who marketed Gonzalez on YouTube. The remnants of my Spanish are still ok, but my knowledge of Portuguese is zero so chasing up the Brazilian side is harder. Auto translate just comes up with garbage sometimes so it&#039;s best to understand fully what you are reading. ADM&#039;s website is still &#039;under construction&#039; too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill says:<br />
October 6, 2009 at 7:54 am </p>
<p>&#8220;To Workyticket, I’m definitely not 100% sure of this, but as far as I understand it, ‘Paco’ Casal is the middle man that was used between Wise/Ashley and the 2 agents.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks Jill, I read that the Uraguyan tax man was after Casal for over $100 million in three stories! He is Nacho&#8217;s agent, he&#8217;s the agent of virtually every player in Uruguay by all accounts. Of course, you&#8217;re right that he doesn&#8217;t seem to be a very popular character over there. One blogger described his hold on Uruguayan football as &#8220;Hitler-esque&#8221;. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m having more difficulty with the Brazilian side of things and ADM Esporte, the company who marketed Gonzalez on YouTube. The remnants of my Spanish are still ok, but my knowledge of Portuguese is zero so chasing up the Brazilian side is harder. Auto translate just comes up with garbage sometimes so it&#8217;s best to understand fully what you are reading. ADM&#8217;s website is still &#8216;under construction&#8217; too.</p>
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		<title>By: LondonFife</title>
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		<dc:creator>LondonFife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw earlier that Stardust when not accepting that KK had not been clearly vindicated by the tribunal wanted to know what respected North-east footy journo George Caulkin had to say about the affair. I presume he missed his piece as I have seen no mention of it.....

Here it is

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6858679.ece</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw earlier that Stardust when not accepting that KK had not been clearly vindicated by the tribunal wanted to know what respected North-east footy journo George Caulkin had to say about the affair. I presume he missed his piece as I have seen no mention of it&#8230;..</p>
<p>Here it is</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6858679.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6858679.ece</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stardust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stardust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope thats not another typo Batty and you meant Soddo lol</description>
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		<title>By: batty</title>
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		<dc:creator>batty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stardust says: 
October 6, 2009 at 12:08 am
Cheers Worky - signing off for the day - congrats - 50 more posts here than the combined total on Eds 7 threads!
&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;you realy are a saddo</description>
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October 6, 2009 at 12:08 am<br />
Cheers Worky &#8211; signing off for the day &#8211; congrats &#8211; 50 more posts here than the combined total on Eds 7 threads!<br />
&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;you realy are a saddo</p>
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		<title>By: UTD111</title>
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		<dc:creator>UTD111</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stardust says: 
October 5, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Beye - you probably need to read the LMA verdict in full - they discount the clubs reasoning they misled the fans - they dont believe it - and KK won - with that being one of the key points.
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Stardust
The club admitted lying to the fans on a number of occasions.

Which bit of:
LIED TO US
ADMITTED IT
do you fail to understand?


Don&#039;t take my word for it - read the Tribunal report:

In a report in the Times of 29 January 2008, which Mr Charnley confirmed as having been accurate, it was stated that &quot;Wise and Vetere will make the initial assessment before calling in Jimenez to do the deal, though Newcastle insist that Keegan will have the final say&quot;. 
Two days later, on 31 January 2008, Mr Wise gave an interview in the Chairman&#039;s office at the Club which was intended to be and was published on the Club&#039;s website (and reported in the national Press) on the following day. 
In the course of that interview he stated: &quot;I&#039;m not here to be involved in the first team. I am not here to manage. I am here to help Kevin as much as possible in bringing young players through and also recommending certain players to him and he&#039;ll say yes and no. 
&quot;He has the final word and then no one else. I&#039;m not gonna do things like bring players in behind his back. I&#039;m not into that and everything that happens will be run past him and he&#039;ll say yes, as I say, or he&#039;ll say no&quot;. 
24. Two days later, in the Club programme for 3 February 2008, the website interview was included with the headline: &quot;Dennis Wise &quot;I&#039;m here to help Kevin - he has the final word&quot;&quot; 
25. On 23 February 2008, Mr Mort gave an interview with &quot;The Mag&quot; (published independently by the Club&#039;s supporters) in which he stated: &quot;Everything that sits below Kevin, everything associated with the first team is his responsibility … Dennis and Jeff will help identify players and Kevin will then say yes or no&quot;. 
26. The Club&#039;s explanation for these statements, which, on their case, were simply untrue, was that they were nothing more than an exercise in public relations carried out so as not to undermine Mr Keegan&#039;s position and made necessary, in the first place, by statements made by Mr Keegan himself to the press. 
We found this explanation to be profoundly unsatisfactory.

So &quot;the club&quot; (Ashley and his cronies) admitted they lied to the fans on a number of occasions, and further, the Tribunal seem to be suggesting (&quot;we found this explanation to be profoundly unsatisfactory&quot;) they think the club was also lying to them in their explanation of motives. 

And this is the regime you are supporting?

Good luck pal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stardust says:<br />
October 5, 2009 at 10:26 pm<br />
Beye &#8211; you probably need to read the LMA verdict in full &#8211; they discount the clubs reasoning they misled the fans &#8211; they dont believe it &#8211; and KK won &#8211; with that being one of the key points.<br />
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Stardust<br />
The club admitted lying to the fans on a number of occasions.</p>
<p>Which bit of:<br />
LIED TO US<br />
ADMITTED IT<br />
do you fail to understand?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t take my word for it &#8211; read the Tribunal report:</p>
<p>In a report in the Times of 29 January 2008, which Mr Charnley confirmed as having been accurate, it was stated that &#8220;Wise and Vetere will make the initial assessment before calling in Jimenez to do the deal, though Newcastle insist that Keegan will have the final say&#8221;.<br />
Two days later, on 31 January 2008, Mr Wise gave an interview in the Chairman&#8217;s office at the Club which was intended to be and was published on the Club&#8217;s website (and reported in the national Press) on the following day.<br />
In the course of that interview he stated: &#8220;I&#8217;m not here to be involved in the first team. I am not here to manage. I am here to help Kevin as much as possible in bringing young players through and also recommending certain players to him and he&#8217;ll say yes and no.<br />
&#8220;He has the final word and then no one else. I&#8217;m not gonna do things like bring players in behind his back. I&#8217;m not into that and everything that happens will be run past him and he&#8217;ll say yes, as I say, or he&#8217;ll say no&#8221;.<br />
24. Two days later, in the Club programme for 3 February 2008, the website interview was included with the headline: &#8220;Dennis Wise &#8220;I&#8217;m here to help Kevin &#8211; he has the final word&#8221;"<br />
25. On 23 February 2008, Mr Mort gave an interview with &#8220;The Mag&#8221; (published independently by the Club&#8217;s supporters) in which he stated: &#8220;Everything that sits below Kevin, everything associated with the first team is his responsibility … Dennis and Jeff will help identify players and Kevin will then say yes or no&#8221;.<br />
26. The Club&#8217;s explanation for these statements, which, on their case, were simply untrue, was that they were nothing more than an exercise in public relations carried out so as not to undermine Mr Keegan&#8217;s position and made necessary, in the first place, by statements made by Mr Keegan himself to the press.<br />
We found this explanation to be profoundly unsatisfactory.</p>
<p>So &#8220;the club&#8221; (Ashley and his cronies) admitted they lied to the fans on a number of occasions, and further, the Tribunal seem to be suggesting (&#8220;we found this explanation to be profoundly unsatisfactory&#8221;) they think the club was also lying to them in their explanation of motives. </p>
<p>And this is the regime you are supporting?</p>
<p>Good luck pal.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Workyticket, I&#039;m definitely not 100% sure of this, but as far as I understand it, &#039;Paco&#039; Casal is the middle man that was used between Wise/Ashley and the 2 agents. I think &#039;Paco&#039; Casal owns a segment of Nacho&#039;s contract for his signing fees or wages, I&#039;m not sure if it is one or the other or both. Casal is a very unsavoury figure in Uruguay and hated by the footballing loving nation for the way his greed has systematically destroyed their home grown talent. Although reports vary on the amount, Casal is generally thought to owe about USD$1.4million in taxes that he is being taken to court for. The translation from Spanish to English is very bad, but here is an example of what a blogger has to say about Casal:  Paco Casal is upset with Peñarol ... And that must, perforce, shake to the core to many people in Uruguay.  Say, journalists receiving coimeros on the table below. Say, football mafia leaders, earning good commissions and coimisiones thanks to him.  The Pharisees costumed players who only think of him as a very special &quot;way to happiness.  And a bunch of gangsters, criminals and outlaws of various classes, in the latter case, that of &quot;solidarity grermial.
But, pulling the above, all Uruguayans such hate to Paco and we give a damn that the type might or might not be annoying little problem of hemorrhoids included some that, given its facade, presumably could affect ... The Treasury of Uruguay is very upset Paco, because he has cheated tens of millions of dollars.  The fans of Penarol Paco is angry with, because I filled in lines and at the end, his famous contribution to the cause peñarolense &#039;was pure noise and no nuts.  Peñarol himself has to be annoyed with Paco, because when I agreed, cheated the club stealing shamelessly three players Bizera, The Onion and Well.  And all the fans are angry with Paco Celeste, because thanks to him and his insistence on certain players, not going to qualify for 2010 (only the damn Carini gave seven or eight points in the most infamous).  The list is long, but is summarized in a few words: the vast majority of the population hate Paco.  And we&#039;d like him dead and buried ... Along with all his accomplices!

LOL step forward Mike Ashley</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Workyticket, I&#8217;m definitely not 100% sure of this, but as far as I understand it, &#8216;Paco&#8217; Casal is the middle man that was used between Wise/Ashley and the 2 agents. I think &#8216;Paco&#8217; Casal owns a segment of Nacho&#8217;s contract for his signing fees or wages, I&#8217;m not sure if it is one or the other or both. Casal is a very unsavoury figure in Uruguay and hated by the footballing loving nation for the way his greed has systematically destroyed their home grown talent. Although reports vary on the amount, Casal is generally thought to owe about USD$1.4million in taxes that he is being taken to court for. The translation from Spanish to English is very bad, but here is an example of what a blogger has to say about Casal:  Paco Casal is upset with Peñarol &#8230; And that must, perforce, shake to the core to many people in Uruguay.  Say, journalists receiving coimeros on the table below. Say, football mafia leaders, earning good commissions and coimisiones thanks to him.  The Pharisees costumed players who only think of him as a very special &#8220;way to happiness.  And a bunch of gangsters, criminals and outlaws of various classes, in the latter case, that of &#8220;solidarity grermial.<br />
But, pulling the above, all Uruguayans such hate to Paco and we give a damn that the type might or might not be annoying little problem of hemorrhoids included some that, given its facade, presumably could affect &#8230; The Treasury of Uruguay is very upset Paco, because he has cheated tens of millions of dollars.  The fans of Penarol Paco is angry with, because I filled in lines and at the end, his famous contribution to the cause peñarolense &#8216;was pure noise and no nuts.  Peñarol himself has to be annoyed with Paco, because when I agreed, cheated the club stealing shamelessly three players Bizera, The Onion and Well.  And all the fans are angry with Paco Celeste, because thanks to him and his insistence on certain players, not going to qualify for 2010 (only the damn Carini gave seven or eight points in the most infamous).  The list is long, but is summarized in a few words: the vast majority of the population hate Paco.  And we&#8217;d like him dead and buried &#8230; Along with all his accomplices!</p>
<p>LOL step forward Mike Ashley</p>
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		<title>By: NorthernPaul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just throwing this one out there - for all the KK supporters - drum roll BBM step in please.

Whats your view on your hero as it is now apparent the 25million law suit was a barrier to sale and progress, not to mention summer transfers?

Do you think his actions are culpable from that point of view - or do you support the damage he has done come what may?
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I&#039;ve never posted on this site before and rarely on the other, though this site seems less populated by tossers and browser hijack adverts.

I personally don&#039;t think Keegan has damaged the club in any way with his proceedings.

There is no history to suggest we would have bought anyone in the transfer windows judging by past spending and complete ignorance of the unbalanced squad we have had for years now.

I also believe that the 25 million figure that Keegan was after was just to guarantee himself a couple of million which is what he got. I also think Keegan only wanted to clear his name and give the fans a reason for his resignation. He was totally within his rights to expose what has been happening at the club, and I am disgusted at the whole dodgy agent youtube scenario. 

As for this whole affair holding up the sale - it doesn&#039;t bother me. I&#039;m glad Mike Ashley has been shown to be a liar (again) and not capable of running a football club. I hope his career and reputation is destroyed in the same way he has destroyed my beloved NUFC.

I&#039;d also like to say that Chris Hughton is a total legend for what he has achieved whilst at the helm, and I hope he remains at the club when or if the takeover ever happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just throwing this one out there &#8211; for all the KK supporters &#8211; drum roll BBM step in please.</p>
<p>Whats your view on your hero as it is now apparent the 25million law suit was a barrier to sale and progress, not to mention summer transfers?</p>
<p>Do you think his actions are culpable from that point of view &#8211; or do you support the damage he has done come what may?<br />
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I&#8217;ve never posted on this site before and rarely on the other, though this site seems less populated by tossers and browser hijack adverts.</p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t think Keegan has damaged the club in any way with his proceedings.</p>
<p>There is no history to suggest we would have bought anyone in the transfer windows judging by past spending and complete ignorance of the unbalanced squad we have had for years now.</p>
<p>I also believe that the 25 million figure that Keegan was after was just to guarantee himself a couple of million which is what he got. I also think Keegan only wanted to clear his name and give the fans a reason for his resignation. He was totally within his rights to expose what has been happening at the club, and I am disgusted at the whole dodgy agent youtube scenario. </p>
<p>As for this whole affair holding up the sale &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t bother me. I&#8217;m glad Mike Ashley has been shown to be a liar (again) and not capable of running a football club. I hope his career and reputation is destroyed in the same way he has destroyed my beloved NUFC.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to say that Chris Hughton is a total legend for what he has achieved whilst at the helm, and I hope he remains at the club when or if the takeover ever happens.</p>
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