Comments on: What happens if the Toon get promoted? http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/11/what-happens-if-the-toon-get-promoted/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:59:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: CLiNT FLiCK http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/11/what-happens-if-the-toon-get-promoted/#comment-16657 CLiNT FLiCK Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:56:14 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=5870#comment-16657 Coz they are from a different country? No, Wales isn't a country. Coz they are from a different country?
No, Wales isn’t a country.

]]> By: chuck http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/11/what-happens-if-the-toon-get-promoted/#comment-16640 chuck Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:54:30 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=5870#comment-16640 I just believe it would both strengthen and make it a  more attractive league, I realize you disagree, but that`s the reason for the blog ,  no ? I suppose I have labored the subject to a degree, but I hate to see two teams of that size, wither on the vine of the SPL, when they could thrive in the EPL And as yet,  have`nt heard a convincing argument to the contrary.  ok`! I just believe it would both strengthen and make it a  more attractive league,
I realize you disagree, but that`s the reason for the blog ,  no ?
I suppose I have labored the subject to a degree, but I hate to see two teams of that size, wither on the vine of the SPL, when they could thrive in the EPL
And as yet,  have`nt heard a convincing argument to the contrary.  ok`!

]]> By: workyticket http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/11/what-happens-if-the-toon-get-promoted/#comment-16545 workyticket Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:03:50 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=5870#comment-16545 <p>Chuck, what is it with you and this Rangers / Celtic in the Premiership thing?</p> Chuck, what is it with you and this Rangers / Celtic in the Premiership thing?

]]> By: chuck http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/11/what-happens-if-the-toon-get-promoted/#comment-16543 chuck Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:12:18 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=5870#comment-16543 MAGGIE PIE Some very insightful comments, agree with most. UTD111 Ashley got us relegated, and all this time I thought it was Sheerah. BIG WILLIE Could perhaps add a drop of reality, to such an optimistic outlook. PAUL In modern day football, the largest part of clubs earnings are derived from the league`s tv deals, attendance income plays a smaller role. Therefore the predicament of the two Glasgow clubs who regularly fill grounds with fifty and sixty thousand respectively, but have little or no tv. revenue. At present our income in tier two is a fraction of that earned in the PL, our attendance has  also dropped,  believe it there are no positives in being in the second division.     MAGGIE PIE
Some very insightful comments, agree with most.
UTD111
Ashley got us relegated, and all this time I thought it was Sheerah.
BIG WILLIE
Could perhaps add a drop of reality, to such an optimistic outlook.
PAUL
In modern day football, the largest part of clubs earnings are derived from the league`s tv deals, attendance income plays a smaller role.
Therefore the predicament of the two Glasgow clubs who regularly fill grounds with fifty and sixty thousand respectively, but have little or no tv. revenue.
At present our income in tier two is a fraction of that earned in the PL, our attendance has  also dropped,  believe it there are no positives in being in the second division.
 
 

]]> By: chuck http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/11/what-happens-if-the-toon-get-promoted/#comment-16515 chuck Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:19:44 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=5870#comment-16515 Yes, perhaps we do have sufficient numbers for the second tier.   However we are projecting a season in the PL   Honestly, how many of the present team are PL quality ? Perhaps a half dozen. If ownership plans on a permanent stay in the PL, which anyone would expect, then the team has to be strengthened. Can`t see us surviving with this lot. Survival the first season following promotion, is critical, could be the difference between an up and down team and one that belongs. And we know why, it`s all about dosh. There` an enormous difference between a clubs earnings in the PL and yes their expenditures also increase, but I believe management have learned a lesson in regards to wages and contracts, surely ? We are all aware of the adage, "takes money to make money", well this is a case where that applies. Not saying we have to sign trophy players, but we need a few more talented players, both to get us there (the PL) and survive that first crucial season back. Cause I very much doubt this present team is competetive enough to survive. Yes, perhaps we do have sufficient numbers for the second tier.
 
However we are projecting a season in the PL
 
Honestly, how many of the present team are PL quality ?
Perhaps a half dozen.
If ownership plans on a permanent stay in the PL, which anyone would expect, then the team has to be strengthened.
Can`t see us surviving with this lot.
Survival the first season following promotion, is critical, could be the difference between an up and down team and one that belongs.
And we know why, it`s all about dosh.
There` an enormous difference between a clubs earnings in the PL and yes their expenditures also increase, but I believe management have learned a lesson in regards to wages and contracts, surely ?
We are all aware of the adage, “takes money to make money”, well this is a case where that applies.
Not saying we have to sign trophy players, but we need a few more talented players, both to get us there (the PL) and survive that first crucial season back.
Cause I very much doubt this present team is competetive enough to survive.

]]> By: Hugh de Payen http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/11/what-happens-if-the-toon-get-promoted/#comment-16489 Hugh de Payen Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:18:11 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=5870#comment-16489 <p>The point I was making is that we are at risk of these 'injury runs' and being 6 players down on last season we would be more at risk if an 'injury run' happened this season.</p> <p>I do quite agree that we need to find out why we have so many injuries in the first place. For all I know we already have.</p> <p>But until we know for sure it's still a concern in terms of this season and our promotion prospects.</p> <p>Maybe we have enough players already - I don't know. We'll find out at the end of the season.</p> The point I was making is that we are at risk of these ‘injury runs’ and being 6 players down on last season we would be more at risk if an ‘injury run’ happened this season.

I do quite agree that we need to find out why we have so many injuries in the first place. For all I know we already have.

But until we know for sure it’s still a concern in terms of this season and our promotion prospects.

Maybe we have enough players already – I don’t know. We’ll find out at the end of the season.

]]> By: workyticket http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/11/what-happens-if-the-toon-get-promoted/#comment-16482 workyticket Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:49:44 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=5870#comment-16482 <p>Hugh de Payen <span class="says">says: </span><a href="http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/11/what-happens-if-the-toon-get-promoted/#comment-16474" rel="nofollow"><strong><span style="color: #21759b;">November 14, 2009 at 6:56 pm</span></strong></a></p> <p>"Yes, I think you’ve missed one of mine.</p> <p>Regardless of our performance v expectations last season, we suffered a lot of injuries and found the squad stretched (and, for that matter, seem to have suffered a fair number of injuries for the few preceding years too)." No I didn't but it's a separate issue(s). First, we do get quite alot, but they need to find out why, not just continue to work around it by having a squad that is twice as big as everyone else's. That is unsustainable. There's also the issue of buying extremely poorly, blowing too much on a handful of trophy signings, some past their best, on ludicrously badly negotiated deals and neglecting the need to have a well balanced squad.</p> Hugh de Payen says:
November 14, 2009 at 6:56 pm

“Yes, I think you’ve missed one of mine.

Regardless of our performance v expectations last season, we suffered a lot of injuries and found the squad stretched (and, for that matter, seem to have suffered a fair number of injuries for the few preceding years too).”

No I didn’t but it’s a separate issue(s). First, we do get quite alot, but they need to find out why, not just continue to work around it by having a squad that is twice as big as everyone else’s. That is unsustainable.

There’s also the issue of buying extremely poorly, blowing too much on a handful of trophy signings, some past their best, on ludicrously badly negotiated deals and neglecting the need to have a well balanced squad.

]]> By: chuck http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/11/what-happens-if-the-toon-get-promoted/#comment-16481 chuck Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:46:59 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=5870#comment-16481 HUGH What are you reading my mail ? Said exactly the above, allmost word for word..... HUGH
What are you reading my mail ?
Said exactly the above, allmost word for word…..

]]> By: Paul http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/11/what-happens-if-the-toon-get-promoted/#comment-16480 Paul Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:33:54 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=5870#comment-16480 It matters little to the owner which division we are in, he gets the crowds, as his actions so far have shown he cares not for the club but wants to milk it. The prem tv money will be pocketed by him if he stays nothing will be spent on players. He has shown he does things on the cheap expect nothing else but that in the prem, also why would he sell if we get promoted?  he will ride out the storm take us down take the cash and do it again and again. Horrible thing to say but we have swapped places with sunderland,  FCB will be more than happy making us a yo yo club. If we get promoted the crap about selling will run on and on just to keep us hanging on the hope he leaves, season tickets will be sold the team will go down or at best struggle to stay up,  he will take the cash and laugh. Relegation was a good thing for the FCB he had a good excuse to downscale the club degrade the quality of players destroy the wage scale, and clear the decks for the championship. Players still at the club on large contracts will be offered much reduced terms and will inevitably move on. Profit is his game he wants the club to be run like his shops cheap tat that fools buy into.   Lets face it the championship would be a walkover if he had bought a couple of quality players in the right positions. Promotion on the cheap premiership on the cheap, any fool who thinks he will splash cash to keep us in the prem is deluded. As much as i love the club sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind, i will never go or buy anything whilst the FCB is in charge. If the majority had thought like that he would already have sold up. It matters little to the owner which division we are in, he gets the crowds, as his actions so far have shown he cares not for the club but wants to milk it.
The prem tv money will be pocketed by him if he stays nothing will be spent on players.
He has shown he does things on the cheap expect nothing else but that in the prem, also why would he sell if we get promoted?  he will ride out the storm take us down take the cash and do it again and again.
Horrible thing to say but we have swapped places with sunderland,  FCB will be more than happy making us a yo yo club.
If we get promoted the crap about selling will run on and on just to keep us hanging on the hope he leaves, season tickets will be sold the team will go down or at best struggle to stay up,  he will take the cash and laugh.
Relegation was a good thing for the FCB he had a good excuse to downscale the club degrade the quality of players destroy the wage scale, and clear the decks for the championship. Players still at the club on large contracts will be offered much reduced terms and will inevitably move on. Profit is his game he wants the club to be run like his shops cheap tat that fools buy into.
 
Lets face it the championship would be a walkover if he had bought a couple of quality players in the right positions.
Promotion on the cheap premiership on the cheap, any fool who thinks he will splash cash to keep us in the prem is deluded.
As much as i love the club sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind, i will never go or buy anything whilst the FCB is in charge. If the majority had thought like that he would already have sold up.

]]> By: Hugh de Payen http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/11/what-happens-if-the-toon-get-promoted/#comment-16474 Hugh de Payen Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:56:37 +0000 http://www.nufcblog.org/?p=5870#comment-16474 <p>Yes, but I think you've missed one of mine.</p> <p>Regardless of our performance v expectations last season, we suffered a lot of injuries and found the squad stretched (and, for that matter, seem to have suffered a fair number of injuries for the few preceding years too).</p> <p>My worry is that if our 'typical injury level' kicks in we'll be even more stretched this season. It may not occur of course and, as you pointed out, the Championship affords a better opportunity bring in younger players, but perhaps you can see why I'm concerned?</p> Yes, but I think you’ve missed one of mine.

Regardless of our performance v expectations last season, we suffered a lot of injuries and found the squad stretched (and, for that matter, seem to have suffered a fair number of injuries for the few preceding years too).

My worry is that if our ‘typical injury level’ kicks in we’ll be even more stretched this season. It may not occur of course and, as you pointed out, the Championship affords a better opportunity bring in younger players, but perhaps you can see why I’m concerned?

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