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Will we be Record Breakers come Sunday?

Posted on December 14th, 2009 | 157 Comments |

Will we be record breakers?
Will we be record breakers?
Less a match preview and more of a crowd preview, this article looks at the possibilty of Newcastle United supporters marking an entry in the Coca-Cola Championship book of records.

I am of course talking about the home attendance record. The visit of “local” rivals Middlesborough gives the toon a chance of building on what have been superb average home gates this season of 41,749, probably far better than any of us had imagined the gates would be after our relegation.

So far, our highest gate has been 43,949, but with St James’s Park’s full house capacity of 52,387 there is certainly scope for more!

Currently, the record for highest crown outside the premier league (since the premier league’s inception) is held by our enemies down the road, Sunderland, standing at 47,350. Now this was a game against Stoke City on May 8th 2005 and judging by the date, looks like it was a promotion party that day.

If we could beat that on a Sunday in December that would be just fantastic. Not only would it be a testemant to all Newcastle fans, who have stuck by the team, it would also serve as yet another two fingers to the press who are just waiting for something else they can dive on about our club.

Howay the lads!

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157 Responses

  1. I think the fans who go to all the games & especially the ones who travel to away games are absolutely brilliant. My only nagging doubt is that fat tw*t & lamearse are sitting there laughing at the fans.

  2. get out of our club!!!! get out of ouuuuuuurrrrrrr cluuuuuuuuuub you FAT cockney bastard get out of our club!!!

  3. yawn…. not at you Toonsy but regarding the ‘get out of our club’ stuff. Time to give it a rest as it achieves nothing, just makes us look a bit daft imo when we are sat on top of the league in a far better situation than many clubs are in etc

  4. geordie deb says:
    December 14, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    “just makes us look a bit daft”

    When is the penny going to drop that Mike Ashley isn’t from London? Do they not have Geography lessons on Tyneside anymore? Or are Geordies just too thick to learn anything at all now?

  5. Well said geordie deb. Ashley and company have made their mistakes for sure and certainly are an arrogant bunch, but they inherited a finacial mess and are close to having the club on a sustainable track if we get up and see a bit of smart investment.

  6. Geordie Deb agree 100% funny I was talking during the Match about the FCB song I just feel sorry for other fans and bairns that have to listen to it and would find it offensive. I am no Angel but i wouldnt want to stand with my wee lad and have him listen to that. As I said then I dislike what he has done as much as anyone else but I dont think calling him a Fat Cockney Bastard will cause him any bother or hurt as imsure he is well used to it. But it makes us look pretty bad in the eyes of others

  7. You are indeed a workyticket!! But you did just make the point.
    Sammy Lee wasn’t really round, Jason Lee didn’t really have a pineapple on his head.

  8. Agree MDS. I’m not an Ashley apologist just a realist. No matter how much people want him to go he will only go when he’s good and ready and not before. They’ve made some horrendous and pathetic mistakes but am I grateful that the club is on a better financial and sustainable footing? Bet your life I am. For all the mistakes he has made he has at least done something right, whether that sticks in peoples’ throats or not is just too bad. I would rather be in the situation we are in now than careering on a one way track towards administration as we were under FFS.

  9. If ‘geordie’ dazz doesn’t realize ashley ain’t cockney, it begs the question: “is ‘geordie’ dazz Geordie”? Or from somewhere other than Newcastle?
    It’s an observation, not a criticism btw.
    ;)

  10. Agree Big Dave. When I go to the match with my daughter I don’t like her hearing that either. I didn’t bring her up that way and we both know you’re going to hear swearing etc etc at the match and it’s part and parcel. However the incessant chanting directed at Mike Ashley just makes us look like a bunch of bone heads, when we are in the positive situation that where we are in. Point has been proven lads and lasses, time to now stop this stuff at the match or the slowly improving image of our fans is going to take a massive nose dive again. Many clubs fans would be happy to be in our position, so it doesn’t give us much credit.

  11. workyticket says:
    December 14, 2009 at 6:27 pm
    geordie deb says:
    December 14, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    “just makes us look a bit daft”

    When is the penny going to drop that Mike Ashley isn’t from London? Do they not have Geography lessons on Tyneside anymore? Or are Geordies just too thick to learn anything at all now?

    I think you call it artistic licence Worky. As BBM has pointed out most sons aren’t factually correct. I mean I have never actually walked in a wonderland, have you?

  12. geordie deb says:
    December 14, 2009 at 6:57 pm
    Agree Big Dave. When I go to the match

    Would you rather the supporters start their own football club like Man Utd fans? They did that when they were going through their must successful period in their history.

    Football is an emotive sport and supporters are emotional people.

  13. I think the team for the Boro’ game will be:

    Harper
    Simpson S.Taylor Coloccini Enrique
    R.Taylor Nolan Smith(c) Jonas
    Ameobi Harewood.

    Subs: Krul, Kadar, Butt, Guthrie, Pancrate, Lovenkrands, Ranger.

    But i do think that this is will be our away team in the second half of the season:

    Harper
    Simpson S.Taylor Coloccini Enrique
    R.Taylor Barton Smith Jonas
    Nolan
    Carroll.

    Subs: Krul, Kilgallon, Guthrie, Pancrate, Lovenkrands, Ameobi, Ranger.

    I think that away team is good because yesterday i thought it worked very well but i feel we didn’t take control of the midfield with Butt and Smith there but with Barton and Smith there, we can take control and get a hold of the game, also Barton is a very creative player when he plays so i think he could hit some balls up to Carroll and get Jonas and Nolan in and around them.

  14. many of us refer to steven taylor as a geordie but he is a cockney, i’m gonna hide under the stairs until everything is sorted out!

  15. Stuart79 says:
    December 14, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    “I think you call it artistic licence Worky. ”

    OK, I’ll just refer to Geordies as “Mackem bastards” from now on. After all, it’s only just “artistic licence”, Stuart. :-)

  16. I think a lot of the anti Ashley chat has died down now and is no longer sung with meaning or menace anymore. I now feel its just got to the stage where its just another terrace song.

    I dont think relegation was how Ashley planned to make us a sustainable business, but its forced his hand and if handled correctly, could be the making of us long term. Thats not me being an apologist for Ashley, more the realisation that if Freddy was still and charge and we had been relegated, the club wouldnt be standing let alone competitive. Its the doing things correctly in the future part that worries me though!

  17. workyticket says:
    December 14, 2009 at 7:18 pm
    Stuart79 says:
    December 14, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    “I think you call it artistic licence Worky. ”

    OK, I’ll just refer to Geordies as “Mackem bastards” from now on. After all, it’s only just “artistic licence”, Stuart.

    Couldn’t care less myself.

    Only people of a low self esteem and perpetual under-achievers would take that so serious as to be offended.

  18. Clint what are you if your father’s a geordie, your mother irish, born in plymouth and raised in birmingham and lived in belfast for a couple of years before moving back to birmingham?

  19. jay jay says:
    December 14, 2009 at 7:28 pm
    Clint what are you if your father’s a geordie, your mother irish, born in plymouth and raised in birmingham and lived in belfast for a couple of years before moving back to birmingham?

    Just fckin weird!

  20. “I think a lot of the anti Ashley chat has died down now and is no longer sung with meaning or menace anymore. I now feel its just got to the stage where its just another terrace song.”

    I agree to an extent. It’s still sung with gusto but the venom probably isn’t there. More a case of letting him know we’re not fickle and that we still don’t care for him. Winning doesn’t erase his misdemeanours.

    It’s certainly been sung less at the last couple of games. Still a great tune though. :)

  21. bbm – Thats the thing, it is a catchy tune :D

    Also, Liverpool are still chanting about their owners and they care about football, fans, and Liverpool FC is in the wrong hands. I dont see them being accused of the bedsheet brigade shenanigans either!

  22. bowburnmag says:
    December 14, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    I’ll guarentee that if we get promoted and Ashley keeps the club, ploughs £40m into the club for new players and we finish in the top 6 or 7 they won’t be singing the same song next season. Whether he does that is unlikely but ya never know.

    toonsy says:
    December 14, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Couldn’t agree more. Also Man Utd fans protested every game when the Glazers bought the club, even stopped supporting the club and starting their own football club.

    But like you say they never get slagged off like us.

    Although on this particular blog that wouldn’t suit some peoples agenda of consistantly putting down and sniping at NUFC fans.

  23. I’m not an Ashley apologist but now NUFC are winning lots of games (albeit in the lower leagues) I’m going to completely ignore the way he’s running the club. I mean drawing 2-2 away to Barnsley is brilliant isn’t it? God I love Mike he’s just so great.

  24. You moan about the get out of our club song and while I might not completely agree with it being sang, it’s a bloody catchy tune. I couldn’t help myself last Wednesday. :o

    BBM -I used to work in Sunlung. Horrible place, and I’m not being biased. I used to have to go around to peoples houses in Monkwearmouth and I think it was called Red House or something. There was always two of us and one always stood next to the car. Rougher than a ten pint slapper in the Bigg Market.

  25. MT – I worked their for six years but only on the outskirts, still feel dirty now and I’ve been away for 9 months!!

  26. Big Dave- 73 mins gone, WBA have pulled one back. Kiley however has made 2 brilliant saves in the second half to deny certain QPR goals. WBA were all over them and then scored an own goal, QPR quickly added a second, but WBA have always looked quite dangerous.

  27. Micky Toon says:
    December 14, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    “You moan about the get out of our club song and while I might not completely agree with it being sang, it’s a bloody catchy tune. I couldn’t help myself last Wednesday.”

    Micky, it’s the Beach Boys’ “Sloop John B” that is the catchy tune. That’s what it’s nicked from.

  28. Still WBA 1-2 QPR here with 5 mins to go plus added time. WBA are piling on the pressure something special though.

  29. WBA equalise. finishes 2-2. Simon Cox in the final minute of added time to scrape a draw. Would have liked them to lose but a draw isnt the worst of scorelines. I am however getting sick of them nicking last minute winners/equalisers.

  30. Ross,
    coulda been worse mate.
    Thought they woulda won at home, so good result.
    They did no better than us this week & we played away.

  31. You could sense the inevitable.

    I keep forgetting I’ve got the footy back, watched the last 20 and WBA battered them.

    Cox took his goal well considering there was feck all time left.

    Still 7 points clear though, happy days!

  32. Clint-to be fair to them, they were all over QPR and god knows how they ended up 2-0 down. Its only one point gained and we’re still seven clear so its back to square one as far as this weekend goes. Looking forward to Boro next week, wonder if they’ll sell out their away allocation. Doubt it,lol

  33. batty says:
    December 14, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    “worky 47 have u just relised that m8”

    batty, it took me about one bar to recognise it the first time I heard it.

  34. Geordie not a geordie is irrelevant.I was born in Worcester, and moved up to the north-east when I was a boy. I persuaded my dad to buy a season ticket in the old second division and can remember gates of 10,000 against Wrexham, whilst my mates were watching BORO in the first division.I then moved to France and when I go back I see that some of them now watch(support?) Newcastle! (For me a football club is for life),so anybody who saysdyou’re not a Geordie I would say where were you 25 years ago . MA is at our club for MA.The sooner he gets out the better, but in the meantime we just keep supporting the team and hope for better days. 10 years ago the goal was to become a major european force, today sadly with MA at the helm, he just wants to recover HIS losses.Even if we go up, he’ll be looking to make a profit, jump ship at the best time for HIM.We’ve been really lucky that the preseason turmoil didn’t kill us ( and CH has done a great job). Sadly we got rid of people who cared about the club like KK and Sir Bobby. FS ( a Geordie I believe had a similar mindset to MA-it’s ME that counts. Hopefully there will be other KK’s and sir Bobby’s around the corner- geordie or not.

  35. 58 workyticket says:
    December 14, 2009 at 9:51 pm
    batty says:
    December 14, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    “worky 47 have u just relised that m8″

    batty, it took me about one bar to recognise it the first time I heard it.
    <<<<< well it took me half a bar then :lol:

  36. Ross,
    i’m sure the smoggies will see it as a day out to get some clean air, so i’d expect a decent turn out from them.

    At least the 2 teams behind wba have put more pressure on them, than they did to us, whey hey!

  37. clint my mates lad ryan shotton who plays for barnsly got me steven taylors shirt for me eldest lad after the match m8

  38. lol hes from stoke i used to give a helping hand at his school team longton high school m8 his dad was a stoke hooligan naughty forty

  39. hes taking it with him across there ands theres aboot 5 geordies in his reg so they will be jealous as fook lol

  40. I bet he’ll love that mate. Aye, me bro in law has just got back. & just coming back to civvy st. Finding it a bit difficult to fit back in. Him & me sis are having it rough at the moment. I just keep saying it’ll take time to readjust, must be mental like?

  41. aye clint it must be realy strange like me lad broke a wing mirror of 1 of them new panther armoured thing a couple of week ago aboot 4 grans woth of damage lol

  42. the raf will pay for it m8 it was when he was doing his training in it they can with stand upto 80 kilo bomb and thats what he will be driving while hes there so makes it a bit easyer

  43. I’m sure he’ll be fine mate.

    Can’t imagine what you & the mrs are gannen through.
    I used to worry for me bro in law, it definitely changes y’attitude towards stuff like.
    Now me nephew is going in the raf, so more worry to come.

  44. Resent it a little bit when people say that just because your not born in Newcastle itself you arent a real supporter. I myself am a resident of Iceland, and have no roots whatsoever in England, but have been a Newcastle supporter as long as I can remember. I consider myself Newcastle through and through.

    I realise that the residents of Newcastle are what really make this great club, but that does not mean that the club does not have some die hard fans overseas :)

  45. I agree mate, it’s about how the club makes you feel, it’s not like anyone can accuse newcastle supporters of being glory hunters.

  46. IcelandicToon @88.

    You are what you are and have your loyalties to Newcastle United and as jay jay says, you can’t e accused of being a glory hunter or fair weather supporter.

    If you and many of your fellow non-geordie fans like you were following success, you’d be claiming to be a fan of Man U or the like. Thank goodness you’re not – you are a member of a truly great family.

    IcelandicToon, you and all supporters like you are embraced by the world-wide Newcastle United community.

  47. They will always go for Carroll and Harps because it’s their 4-year-old-sprog-logic way of sniping at us for proving them wrong by turning up 40,000 strong and winning lots of games.

    Which brings us nicely back tot he subject of the thread. Surely we’ll get a full house on Sunday, won’t we? If I wasn’t 380 miles away I’d be there even if it meant not eating for a week.

    I totally get why some people are maintaining their principle of staying away until Ashley goes, but I’m reserving judgement (naively, perhaps) until after January. If he doesn’t sell players (except Barton, perhaps) then he may actually be learning and we could be ok. Weirder things have happened.

    Turn up on Saturday, people – drag your families and mates along, and let’s get a sell-out gate. Imagine what that’ll do to the headline writers!

  48. Most geordies welcome toon supporters regardless of race, creed, religion or place of birth, this whole born within 5 miles of the st james park is bollox

    Don’t like Ashley or Llambias and they are responsible for us getting relegated, however it had been coming since we sacked SBR with the succession of crap managers employed by FFS and the wayward signings plunging the club deep into the red

    We’ll see how we get on when we’re promoted but without investment we’ll become a yo-yo club – the get out of our club song is now monotonous and boring, we all know he’s here to stay and he just completely ignores us, can we at least come up with a song that reflects reality

    you got us relegated
    sold our shite
    but we’re top of the league
    and doing alright
    we dont play pretty
    in fact we’re shite
    but the teams in this league
    are worse than f*ckin useless

    you home counties yid

  49. Steve – you’re going to get me fired! I try to maintain a look of concentration when looking at this blog, and cracking up gives the game away…

    Ho hum. Anyone heading down my way for the Plymouth game?

  50. I agree stevep, my father is a geordie but was in the forces, so i was born in plymouth, i can’t help that. whumpie it would be great to get a full house ram the rags down the sport editors throats. if someone can tell me if it’s possible to pay on the day and prices i can see if i can afford the train fare from birmingham. even my mate dave is desperate to go, he supports birmingham so says he’s never been to a decent stadium!

  51. Whumps – Might have to let you down I think.

    Missus has knocked the Devon New Year holiday on the head. Reckons it’s just too far to go with the little ‘un for a couple of days, and without the beach we’d just be stuck freezing in the hotel cottages.

    Hard to justify going just for the match, but I’m still trying!!

  52. BBM – Want us to invent a guest speaker appearance for you?

    And you could always extol the educational virtues of the Plymouth aquarium. It is the muttsicles.

  53. bowburnmag says:
    December 15, 2009 at 11:32 am
    Whumps – Might have to let you down I think.

    Missus has knocked the Devon New Year holiday on the head. Reckons it’s just too far to go with the little ‘un for a couple of days, and without the beach we’d just be stuck freezing in the hotel cottages.

    Hard to justify going just for the match, but I’m still trying!!

    Anyone know how to get thumb prints out of BBM’s forehead?

  54. I’m flying up for the Preston game in Feb. Bringing a few mates to show them what a real stadium looks like.

    May need some help updating my knowledge of where to go after the match and through into the wee small hours, though. Where to go in Toon when you’re a drunk, middle-aged bloke who’s just witnessed the footballing equivalent of shooting a guppy in a barrel with a howitzer?

  55. Stu – had to put my foot doon last night. She was going to stop me going to the Boro game.

    After a bit of domestic hoomanheyman, she conceded that was being a tad unfair.

    Once I promised her some new shoes and that I’d paint the walls… 8O

  56. Whumpie – put me down as local guide. I’d be more than happy mate. Might even get away with a few ‘after-match’ beers out of it, I’m sure wor lass would see it as a charitable deed!! ;)

  57. Whumpie – by the way…

    I was on the official site late last night to see what availability was like, leaving it late as usual.

    Hardly owt left up in Level 7, so I just bought one, in case I missed out.

    Looks like a shitload less availability than I’ve seen on there this season on a Monday night before the weekend.

    Could be a big crowd…

  58. jay jay/icelandictoon & the likes , i dont recall seeing or hearing any criticism toward toon supporters who weren’t born in the area….looks like people are suffering from – inferiotity complex to me.

    …sort ya sel’s oot man!

  59. BBM are tickets available on the matchday itself and do you know how much, living in birmingham the train fare is enough alone?

  60. Judging by some rough estimations using the box office guide on the official site, werre already up to somewhere near 49,000 for Sunday’s game.

    jay jay – £20 – £25 for what’s left at the moment. Reckon it could be a sellout at the moment.

  61. I don’t know whether I can get there Sunday with it being a 1pm kick off.

    Got a christmas party to go in Manchester Saturday night and I just don’t know if I’ll be up to driving back Sunday morning. It’ll be close and a rough journey if I do manage it.

  62. not sure who is right but the chronicle are reporting the record is actually 44,448 set by sunderland against burnley in april 2007? unless they mean that record is for the championship and the 47,000 was when it was the old division 1? can anyone shed any light?

  63. By the way, with every interview Hughton is giving now it’s getting more and more negative regarding bringing new players in.

    First it was we don’t want numbers we want quality(KK use to say the same) then it was we have a tight squad and were happy with it and now it’s the problem with loan players is giving them a game ect…

    Why can’t he just say we have no money and we cannot afford to bring anyone in?

    Talk about de ja vu

  64. Wish I could be at the match, but going of to Egypt tomorrow. Mind you, at least it will be hot there and I hight get to see it on TV. Giving my ticket to a mate, so at least I wont be lowering the attendance

  65. Stuart79 i’d be happy enough to keep what we’ve got, no quality players will sign for us until we’re in the premiership anyway.

  66. jay jay says:
    December 15, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    You need money to sign quality players and we ain’t got any and we won’t have any in the PL.

    Altough Wiltshire from Arsenal would be a quality loan signing and he’s available. David Bentleys available too, he might want to get a game as he’s being totally sidelined by Arry.

  67. Stuart79 i dont think wiltshire or bentley would step down to the championship but both would be good loan signings i agree. if/when we are promoted we must have something to spend, the running costs have been reduced and the wage bill cut, and will be cut futher when butt and geremi are out of contract. I think we are on sound financial footing for the first time in ages, with slow and steady improvement and investment the club can move foward imo.

  68. jay jay says:
    December 15, 2009 at 1:39 pm
    Stuart79 i dont think wiltshire or bentley would step down to the championship but both would be good loan signings i agree. if/when we are promoted we must have something to spend, the running costs have been reduced and the wage bill cut, and will be cut futher when butt and geremi are out of contract. I think we are on sound financial footing for the first time in ages, with slow and steady improvement and investment the club can move foward imo.

    Can you build slowly when you’re newly promoted to the PL?

    You’re right, if we get promoted we will be in a good financial position, but the club won’t want to get back into a position where the wage bill is 70% of turnover.

    I honestly think we will need £30m just to stay in the league. Remember last years squad was better than this and it wasn’t good enough.

  69. Stuart79 i agree with most of what you said, but imo last seasons squad had grossly overpaid and grossly underperforming crap like owen, martins, viduka. if any of them lads had the ability or even the right attitude we wouldn’t have dropped.

  70. I’m not so sure last years squad was that much better than the current squad – Butt played far to often last year and it’s likely he won’t even be at toon when we’re promoted, the strike force was lamentable and mostly unfit, beye and bassong will be missed but beye is getting on a bit and may not be able to play 20+ games never mind 40+ games next year
    We def need a striker who can score goals and a midfield that can supply some ammunition – we def don’t have a prem league striker at the moment or a decent prem midfielder

  71. Workey
    “The Sloop John B.” was i believe an old calypso number, popular long before the Beach boys version.

  72. Chuck says:
    December 15, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    “Workey
    “The Sloop John B.” was i believe an old calypso number, popular long before the Beach boys version.”

    Aye, you’re dead right Chuck. It was based on some old folk tune from the Caribbean called “The John B. Sails” or something like that? As you write, it goes way back.

  73. Stuart79 says:
    December 15, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    “The wonders of Google eh?

    Amazing…”

    Stuart, just because you’re a no-nothing idiot who gets all his information from the Internet, it doesn’t that everyone is like that. :-)

  74. workyticket says:
    December 15, 2009 at 2:52 pm
    Stuart79 says:
    December 15, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    “The wonders of Google eh?

    Amazing…”

    Stuart, just because you’re a no-nothing idiot, it doesn’t that everyone is like you.

    Although that sentence doesn’t actually make sense I think I know what you’re trying to say. Think it was supposed to be an insult.

    I’m happy being a ‘know-nothing’ (not no-nothing as you wrote) if it means I have a life.

  75. Workey
    Having spent quite a bit of time in the Carribean and listened to the Calypso tunes of the late forties up untill the the end of the sixties, have to say a lot of it was great music as was of course the latin sounds of the spanish speaking islands.
    Though I can still hear the Bajan steel bands version of La Paloma, which was one of only half a dozen tunes they knew and played incessantly.
    Another interesting sound was that of the Haitian groups, which had a lot in common with Cajun or Zydeco strangely enough.
    I realise it`s not football but I believe you are seriously into music.

  76. workyticket says:
    December 15, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    Nicely edited, but it still doesn’t make sense.

    You’ll find something to help you with your punctuality on the internet I’m sure….

  77. Chuck says:
    December 15, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    “Workey
    Having spent quite a bit of time in the Carribean and listened to the Calypso tunes of the late forties up untill the the end of the sixties, have to say a lot of it was great music as was of course the latin sounds of the spanish speaking islands.”

    Nothing so exotic for myself I’m afraid. I can’t remember if it was my dad’s old Harry Belafonte albums, or Notting Hill that got me into all that stuff first. I still have all the albums. What an amazing singer!

  78. Workey
    Yeah, enjoyed that.
    Believe Belafonte made a version also.
    Enjoyed the likes of the “The Mighty Sparrow” “Screaming Lord Such” etc.
    tunes like “Matilda” even stuff like “Cricket Lovely Cricket”, but there was also some serious stuff mostly instrumental a Carribean Jazz crossover sound which I liked.
    Of course there was the great Afro- Cuban jazz sounds plus the Jibaro or Guajera folk songs of Cuba , recently revived by Rye Cooder.
    Certainly a hot bed (the Carribean area)of sounds, with great rythme sections due to the inventiveness of the instruments used.
    Better stop before i begin to ramble.

  79. Chuck, not Caribbean I know, but have you ever heard Belafonte’s version of “La Bamba”? It is absolutely stunning, one of the best things I’ve ever heard.

  80. workyticket says:
    December 15, 2009 at 3:17 pm
    Stuart, you’re trolling again. Fxxx off!

    I can only presume you don’t like people pickin you up on your own mistakes.

    God god man, you do it to everyone else on here, just accept it and don’t be so abusive.

  81. Stuart79 says:
    December 15, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    “I can only presume you don’t like people pickin you up on your own mistakes.”

    Stuart, it was your parents who made the mistake. :-)

  82. Workey
    Not sure , probably.
    Got Chet Baker on as we speak, sweet sound, never learned to read music , sang as he played.
    Knew him in the city years ago, genius.

  83. Worky @125 – Just for clarity, your Blind Blake is the 30s calypso man rather than the late 20s/ 30s blues man?

    Chuck – another mazer of the music.

    Did you guys ever come across Blinky and the Roadmasters from St Croix?.

    Suggest you guys (and any other latent world music fans) look out for their 90s album “Crucian Scratch Band Music” – you won’t be disappointed.

    A nice litte stocking filler!

  84. workyticket says:
    December 15, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    LOL! What a come back!

    Ever thought of a career in comedy? Ah well probably for the best, you’re about as funny as the clap!

    That reminds me Worky, has that cleared up now?

  85. Stuart79, Worky…. have we passed the watershed already?

    There’ll still be kids watching… and posting too by the looks of it!!

  86. Lesh
    Yeah of course, the source, Africa, heard some great music.
    Even got Ethiopean, guy who studied at Berkley in Boston, were so few musicians when he returned, had to use musicians from the army band, still put out some decent albums.
    Sure Tito, Mongo, Luis Rodrigues, Fania All Stars,Cuban All Stars,caught em all.

  87. Chuck says:
    December 15, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    “Workey
    Not sure , probably.
    Got Chet Baker on as we speak, sweet sound, never learned to read music , sang as he played.
    Knew him in the city years ago, genius.”

    Wow, you met him? My friend nearly met a similar fate to him once. He feel out of a high window during the Notting Hill Carnival whilst completely off his trolley. Unlike poor Chet, they managed to patch him up eventually.

  88. Workey
    Yeah friend of mine, trombone player did some gigs with Chet, one of which was at Carnegie Hall and the sax player was Gerry Mulligan, as you probably know they were the cool jazz California sound of the late fifties and early sixties.
    Amazing how a lot of these guys (giants) were playing for scale while idiots with guitars and hair were making fortunes.
    Used to love going to the Puerto Rican dances to both listen to the music and watch the dancers, what a trip !

  89. Chuck says:
    December 15, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    “Amazing how a lot of these guys (giants) were playing for scale while idiots with guitars and hair were making fortunes.”

    That’s a little unfait on some of them Chuck, especially Jimi Hendrix who was as good as the greatest Jazz players.

  90. Workey
    Well in fact he was`nt as good as the so called jazz greats, sure he played in a certain revolutionary style and could perhaps have become a decent jazz musician, However he was no Django Reinhart or even a George Benson and as a rule most jazz musicians are so much better than their R&R counterparts.
    Its like comparing apples and oranges.
    If thats unfair then so be it !

  91. Chuck says:
    December 15, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    “Workey
    Well in fact he was`nt as good as the so called jazz greats,”

    Miles Davis didn’t agree, he was completely blown away by him, everybody was. You should try listening to music, rather than getting all snobby about genres. ;-)

  92. workyticket says:
    December 15, 2009 at 8:56 pm
    Chuck says:
    December 15, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    “Workey
    Well in fact he was`nt as good as the so called jazz greats,”

    Miles Davis didn’t agree, he was completely blown away by him, everybody was. You should try listening to music, rather than getting all snobby about genres.

    Wow, Worky being arrogant and dismissive, don’t see that very often do we…..?

  93. I `m not getting snobby about genres, I believe all musical forms or genres have their own validity and enjoy listening to most, thought you would have gathered that by some of the above statements.

    And am I not entitled to an opinions without being insulted ?

  94. Workey
    In regard to Miles, not neccessarily a good argument.
    Why, a long story, but Miles always admired the innovators Parker ,Coltrane etc. who changed the direction of jazz with the introduction of what became known as Bebop.
    Although a great player Miles was not naturally that kind of innovator, though he tried,at one time refusing to play balads in which excelled.
    Later he introduced electric instruments which were anathema to most jazz musicians and following a long period of abusing speed, coke and alcohol, lost his ability to perform or concentrate on his career, becoming physically ill, resulting in a few years of nothing.
    Having recovered in the early seventies he made an attempt at a crossover style, which bombed in general, always trying for that innovation and new direction, that eluded him.
    In which case I would find that his praise of Hendrix,a natural innovator would not be surprising.
    I Could of course have said Hendrix was the exception to the rule and what he was playing was in fact closer to a jazz form than R&R but that`s another argument for another time.
    And yes there is a ditinct genre difference between the two, R&R. and Jazz, thats undeniable.
    But apart from all that , my main premis was in general that there were excellent musicians playing for scale , while young long haired guys in tight pants and hair ,who could barely play their instruments were cleaning up singing stuff like, Show me the way, every day, yea yea!

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