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NUST claim Mike Ashley is making £7million a month from Newcastle United.

Posted on January 11th, 2010 | 320 Comments |

Mike Ashley: £7 million pounds per month claim NUST.
Mike Ashley: £7 million pounds per month claim NUST.
On the NUST’s website today, Tony Stephenson claimed a source had told the NUST that Ashley has performed the financial miracle of turning a company which lost over £20 million last year, into a company which was now making as much as £7 million per month. This would be the equivalent of approximately £84 million per annum, with a turnover that is almost half as much as it was in the preceding year.

Mr Richardson was writing about this seemingly remarkable feat in a preamble encouraging members to fill out the Trust’s latest survey, which, say the Trust:

“will be used to show interested potential partners the strength of feeling in the city and beyond about the current regime – the answers you give will form the basis of potential negotiations but are not binding on you. Its a massive marketing exercise to see if the fans are up for it.”

Later on in the piece, Mr Richardson goes on to stress:

“The Trust has never got into a slanging match with Mr Ashley and Mr Llambias and neither does it intend to, we’re interested in our club and more importantly its future.”

Then, somewhat strangely, he adds:

“One final thought for you to consider before you fill in the survey – sources have told us that Mr Ashley is making up to £7m profit out of our club every month and whilst that’s not confirmed – do the maths – wages halved, no expenditure on transfers, crowds up, new advertising revenue before the end of the season and the assets of SJP Holdings.

“Make no mistake – Mr Ashley is not going to lose on his investment in Newcastle but it’s now time to think about the club, city and community not himself.”

The accuracy, or lack of it, in this statement will be revealed when the club’s accounts are published later this month.

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320 Responses

  1. I would love to know where they got these figures from but the crowds up ?? i thought we were getting 50, ooo plus in the EPL . They also forgot to mention the TV money for the premiership that we are now missing . Dont get me wrong i would love Ashley gone asap but lets get real 7 million a month , just cant see it somehow .

  2. If he’s making £7 million a month, why would he sell?
    And why would no-one bid £100 million for the club when it was for sale?

  3. yeah, that statement has kinda killed all credibility really.

    7mill profit a season, possibly, but a month? not a bloody chance.

    the wage bill may have been almost halved, but sponsorship income and tv revenue will have all but disappeared since may.

    stinks of a statement conjured out of thin air to try and bias peoples opinions when answering their survey thing, tbh.

    as MDS says, can’t fault them for wanting to give it a go, but i just can’t see it ever happening.

  4. the 6 to 7m that lambas claimed to spend in january was from the expected sale of colocini , now he’s staying at newcastle there is no money to complete signing of beckford and they pulled out of kilgallon deal

  5. yeah sort of see were yous are coming from but it could be possible the amount of wages we have sheld out over the past few years will be crazy remember we would of received over 25 mill for the players sold last summer as well as the wage drop and to tell you the truth were on the tele more now then we ever were in the prem or it seems that way about 50% of the games we have played this season have been on the tele by christmas last year we would of been on 2 or 3 times so it could be possible

  6. Seen the statment earlier and thought the 7mill bit was strange and im sure MA will not be to pleased if they havn’t got their facts right which we will know by the end of the month

  7. 7 Million, no chance, when the accounts are published will the nust be found out to be telling a few tall tales.

  8. Mr Richardson – take a piece of your own advice ‘do the maths’. How can anyone make a profit of £84 million on £50 million max revenue?
    My god and these people want to run NUFC – they couldn’t run a market stall.
    The crassness of using blatant lies before encouraging people to fill out a survey giving their response to this information is breathtakingly deceitful.
    Have some members of the council completley taken leave of their senses when talking about backing this lot. There’s going to be a lot of back tracking by a lot of red faced people in the council when this nonsense is picked up by the national press. Who’s going to end up bringing further embarrasment on the good people of Newcastle then? The council and NUST ofcourse.

  9. I hope this makes people realise that the NUST running the club is a complete non starter , they dont have a clue

  10. That’s just am absolutely ridiculous statement.
    Mike Ashley isn’t making anything. Perhaps the NUST mean to say that Newcastle United are making 7M a month. But that cannot be true – our revenues this year are 50M total. But this does no good for the NUST, who are trying to convince us they know what they are doing. Maybe one or two of them need to study some business 101 and stop making crazy statements. If this continues they may even start to make Llambais and Ashley look good.
    The report reads like Mike Ashley himself is making 84M a year from Newcastle – please – let’s not be daft. There’s a difference between Mike and Newcastle. Newcastle is a business – owned by Mike – but when Newcastle sell a player – most papers seem to think Mike pockets the money – not so – it goes on the Newcastle books. The press (and the NUST?) never differentiate between Mike and NUFC – and I really think some of them don’t even understand the distinction – unbelievable as that may seem.

  11. Obviously they’ll claim it was a rumour from a source when the accounts are revealed later this month. 7 million a month?..after everything i’ve said about the man, he’d be a fantastic businessman if he was somehow getting that out of the club, haha. The NUST seem to have their heart in the right place but some of their ideas seem slightly far fetched to say the least.

  12. Now i’m an open minded guy and fair play to them and all that.

    But I remember people on here yesterday writing about how ludicrous it would be to suggest that the people running this group aren’t experenced, professional, intelligent people.

    Well in that statement, how have they so tragicly, blatantly not stopped to even think for a second about the claim they’re making? £7Mill a month, is that even possible? So we’re making £84Mill a year? To be honest, if Ashley has turned us into a cert. Prem team that makes £84mill a year in the championship, I hope to the high heavens he never leaves!

  13. I like the idea of fan ownership but it won’t work with the nust, they are completely out of their depth, fairplay for having a go but it’s not going to work.

  14. Will NUST not have to watch how close they’re going to slander with Ashley? I’m sure he’s sued for it before.

    Such a claim he’s asset stripping to line his own pockets to the sum of £84Mill is a serious accusation in terms of business reputation (not that it’s great but all the same).

    Anyway I bet fine well a lot of NUST campaigners and members will be ones who would favour or still support the previous regime – where they ACTUALLY took £100M+ out of the club for themselves over the years…

  15. Mike Ashley is a great businessman if he is making seven million a month at Newcastle. Take account of salary and interest he might just reach seven million a year.
    Somewhere the figures have got distorted.
    Don’t be too hard on NUST though

  16. Can we stop reporting NUST? They’re now releasing statements based on rumours and hearsay, for crying out loud.

    I wish they’d have a look at the books and decide what the actual profit is before they say anything.

  17. I appreciate many saying NUST have their hearts in the right place but I dont believe that for one second.

    When they launched their Yes We Can Campaign they claimed to have 20m worth of pledges, in a recent article it was projected that they had pledges of 50m and NUST expected 50% to drop out (assume it will be 85% minimum) – But lets believe NUST that 50% will drop out – so from the start of the campaign to now they have raised only 5million?

    Somethings not adding up somewhere. Oh yes – the fact they didnt have a financial model also meant their pledge of 20m was nothing but an untruth.

    Then they claim not to want to end up in slanging match with Mike Ashley, how many statements have we read that have been to the contrary. Remember them describing NUFC – our club – as a TOXIC ASSET?

    Then they are targeting the elderly’s pensions. Yes pensions – there to protect people in their time of need in the latter parts of their lives, where invariably they have poor health.

    They also targeted people in a way that alerted the FSA – advertising their scheme to ordinary people in a manner that was a blatant Collective Investment Scheme – highly unethical.

    Then they come out with Mike Ashley is personally making 7mill a month – yes 84million a year – and just as Ed has mentioned – they infer he is making it personally. All on an income of 37 to 50million – Brilliant Business.

    Then we learn of supposed high profile local business people who may head the buyout – the thing is with schemes where one shareholder owns more of the club than others, the minority shareholders will be asked to either contribute to losses every year OR take a dilution of share in return for investment from the major investor. Its a cheap way of buying a company if you have the means – the trouble is in this scheme ordinary people will lose their shirts as the “local business person” cleans up and makes a big fat wedge. I wonder if the lead is Freddie Shepherd – he has been noticeable by keeping his big fat mouth shut?

    We know he hasnt got the money to personally buy it – so can he use a similar dubious scheme again?

    Luckily – at every opportunity they mess up and make themselves look like the morons they are – morons, imbeciles, fools, idiots – take you pick – for the sake of the club this lot need to disappear into the gutter they crawled out from fast.

  18. Don’t be too hard on the NUST? In all honesty this slander is detructive to the club too. More hatred stirring by them and hostility at home matches.

  19. budalovesa patsy

    ‘Don’t be too hard on NUST though’

    Why not? They are masquearding as people who know what they’re doing when they clearly don’t. Unconcious incompetents are usually a dangerous breed, and they have clearly demonstrated they fall into this category in bucket loads. BBM would be interested in your comments on this latest development.

  20. The worrying question:

    “If the Supporters launched a buy out campaign with a respected local business person(s) and had a number of ways to invest – how likely would you be to back it? *.”

    Make no mistake – in schemes such as these over a few short years the majority leads would control most shares and the investing supporters would be diluted to a pittance.

  21. Hold on, hold on.
    NUST only suggest it is a source that has provided that information and don’t say it’s true.
    It was only a few months ago that you’s all laughed when they stated they wouldn’t raise the money.
    It sounds to me that you’s are all worried now that they may actually get the money, otherwise why get so hung up about it?
    Start to get behind them, instead of taking every opportunity to slag them off. If they don’t raise the money then you should be disappointed.
    You don’t know the first thing about them, to make the accusations you are.
    If they raise the money and publish a financial plan with warts and all, then make an informed decision, instead of pure speculation.
    My god, Stardust is an absolute buffoon of the highest order with his support for Ashley and his hatred for NUST.
    If everyone recalls, Stardust’s favourite quote is, “I don’t judge without knowing the facts”.
    Well he’s certainly doing it now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  22. Deb – BBM is conspicuous by his absence all day ! The coward – come on BBM – youve been called out by a girl!

  23. worky troy talks more sense than these at nust .so ashley can stay 3 or 4 years make a prophit and then give the club away they are realy showing there selfs up for what they are a bunch of brain dead fcks

  24. Woo hoo hoo hoo!

    It sounds like Stardy is really worried that his little fat friend is gonna jump ship.
    Well stardy, if Fat Ash is the true, honest hard working man you claim, he won’t sell to NUST, if what you say is right.

    So why are you fizzin like a shaken bottle of coke?

  25. Troy – as I said on the phone “If they raise the money and publish a financial plan with warts and all, then make an informed decision, instead of pure speculation.”

    They are targeting people without experience and the knowhow to interpret documents – they have acted in a manner that imo has crossed the line of being ethical – potentially illegal – its my understanding they have been told as such by the FSA – Worky will verify it.

    One other question from their survey “If you invested in the club – how would you prefer to invest? *
    Cash
    Part of your pension plan
    Monthly Payment Plan”

    DESPICABLE.

  26. Somebody should tell the NUST that there are multiple times one person can fill out their survey form – not sure if they know that – or want that. And the last two questions are meaningless if you don’t want to invest – but they force the questions to be answered in any case. It doesn’t make NUST come across as very competent or smart – so score that as an own goal against the NUST.
    And why should they try to be more competent? They are criticizing others of being incompetent – and unfortunately that swings both ways – what goes around comes around.

  27. Oh my god, Batty is calling NUST a bunch of brain dead fcks.

    Batty, if what you say is true, you should apply to be their president.

    You complete shmook.

  28. Stardust says:
    January 11, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    “When they launched their Yes We Can Campaign they claimed to have 20m worth of pledges, in a recent article it was projected that they had pledges of 50m and NUST expected 50% to drop out (assume it will be 85% minimum) – But lets believe NUST that 50% will drop out –so from the start of the campaign to now they have raised only 5million?”

    The NUST’s financial expert, Lynn Steele of “SIPP Brokers” said back on October 8th, 2009:

    “We haven’t tried yet and we already have £20m committed, I think it could be very easy to get the rest with some effort.

    “It could take three to six months to get the money raised if we are using the pension model. If we get more than £100m then we can put more money into the club.”

  29. Stardust, I think you will find that it was me who posted the slander against you.
    Who is Troy?

    You have no credibility as you made such a fool of yourself last season, everyone hates you.

  30. Should clarify Worky – they’ve only raised potentially another 5million (25m total) – not that I believe a word of their guff.

    Ed – Knowing NUST they will claim each time a survey is filled in its a pledge to invest!

  31. bobby maybe that should be the next poll on here who hates stardust i think u will find a big majority dont hate him

  32. Seen the statment earlier and thought the 7mill bit was strange and im sure MA will not be to pleased if they havn’t got their facts right which we will know by the end of the month

    ….

    He’s probably laughing at how stupid they are making themselves look with daft statements like this.

    It was only a few months back they were claiming sources were telling them Ashley was putting us into administration.

  33. Bobby Shinton number 9

    ‘Hold on, hold on.
    NUST only suggest it is a source that has provided that information and don’t say it’s true.
    It was only a few months ago that you’s all laughed when they stated they wouldn’t raise the money.
    It sounds to me that you’s are all worried now that they may actually get the money, otherwise why get so hung up about it?’

    Why would they even suggest it before asking people to complete a questionnaire unless they had an ulterior motive? Anyone with a brain cell would know it wasn’t true, let alone our future high flying custodians of NUFC. Can’t you see how stupid this makes them look? This is stuff they are publicly stating without any qualms on a website that the world and his wife can access, not a oneoff comment over a pint down the Strawberry.

  34. Worky – what is your problem with a group who openly admit that they are learning as they go along and have appointed the right people as problems have arrived?

    It’s not as if they are trying to destroy the club. They are actually trying to take over from a proven liar and fraud.

    Is it not best to support them as much as we can and judge them once the final plans are drawn up?

    Makes sense to me.

    Of course, you’s will know the ins and outs of everything cos “thats just the way it is”

    I despair with fans like you’s.

  35. Beginning to lose patience with NUST, the words foot,self and shoot come to mind.
    They are starting to sound like a bunch of incompetents, I would not trust my hard earned pension contributions with them,

  36. Never thought I would say this, but I know who I would rather have in charge of our club……………

  37. Batty, Stardust may entertain you and impress you with his financial tripe, but I am not taken in by an absolute fraud and liar who models himself off big fat mikey.

    If you recall Batty, the bile Stardust talked last season and this about Ashley tells you exactly what the pleb is?

    If you can’t see it then get back in your rabbit hutch and chew on yours carrots floppy lugs.

  38. Stardust says:
    January 11, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    “potentially illegal – its my understanding they have been told as such by the FSA – Worky will verify it.”

    Stardust, When I first spoke to the FSA in November, they wouldn’t go into any specific details about their dealings with the NUST, as that would be indiscreet and unprofessional. However, on general principals they did confirm that my suspicions about FSA regulations and guidelines were more or less correct, and shortly after that, the NUST added to all relevant parts of their website:

    “This proposal and campaign is not an investment, serving only as a platform for more detailed proposals.”

  39. TonyGreenSupreme

    You can’t invest your state pension you know.

    You probably haven’t even got a pension you idiot.

  40. TonyGreenSupreme

    What does a bullseye compere know about football.

    You’ve got no pension and are a fat darts commentator.

    Deal with it.

  41. Bobby Shinton number 9 says:
    January 11, 2010 at 10:44 pm
    Batty, Stardust may entertain you and impress you with his financial tripe, but I am not taken in by an absolute fraud and liar who models himself off big fat mikey.

    If you recall Batty, the bile Stardust talked last season and this about Ashley tells you exactly what the pleb is?

    If you can’t see it then get back in your rabbit hutch and chew on yours carrots floppy lugs.
    <<<<< floppy lugs ware have u seen a piture of me

  42. Youre pension bigger than mine, don’t think so fatty.

    You don’t collect yours til you are 65yrs, now crack on and keep out of the black and in the red cos there’s nothing for in this game for two in a bed.

  43. Bobby Shinton showing his total lack of knowledge about NUFC by thinking of Tony Green as in the darts commentator.

    Clueless.

  44. TonyGreen Fat darts commentator. I aint from Benwell, but I bet you are from up north, you pit yakker.

  45. Woo hoo hoo hoo.

    Rangerman is getting in on the act, however you should get in the rabbit hutch with Batty, floppy lugs.

    It is a joke numpty!

    The best of it is, you think Bobby Shinton was from a rhyme about a bloke wi silver buckles on his knees.

    woo hoo hoo hoo

  46. Rangerman – Exactly, Booby is a total knobba. He know’s nowt about the Toon, he’s nothing but a sad wum.

  47. Bobby Shinton went to sea, Silver buckles on his knees, he’ll come back to marry me, bobby bobby shinton.

  48. For those of you who never saw the great Tony Green ask ya dad and uncles what he was like.
    Booby in your case ask your uncle,cos he is most likely ya dad……………

  49. Woo hoo hoo hoo. you absolute dorks.

    Tony Green the darts commentator is the same person. He took up darts after packing footy in you shmooks and then got the job on bullseye.

    woo hoo hoo hoo

    No wonder the NUST have no support with naive buffoons like you’s.

  50. Why keeping mentioning Troy?

    Who is this Troy, i would like to meet him.

    Sounds like a popular person.

  51. TonyGreenfatdartscommentator.

    If my uncle is my dad, does that make him a duncle?

    You sound like a right pit yakker. do you still work the coal face even though the pit is closed.?

  52. deb and Stardust – it’s hard to defend the indefensible and some of what the NUST have done isn’t what you’d call encouraging. I would disagree with some of the things they’ve done and said.

    But we shouldn’t forget that this is an organisation that has moved on from anger of Keegangate. I believe it is doing what it’s doing for the right reasons but they need help basically. And I disagree with the notion that they are driven by power that has gone to their heads. Or greed in seeking to gain financially from this, either the figurheads or those in the background.

    They are seeking to keep this snowball rolling and want as much knowledgeable aid as they can get. But most in that position are more happy being scornful. Which is what I find hard to accept.

    And yes, some of the details coming out are highly questionable. I think it’s clear they’re trying to do too much at once because this thing has taken off quite quickly and they may have a small window of opportunity to make something great happen. But that’s understandable given that these lads have jobs and acting voluntarily for NUST.

    Anyway, long day for me and my brain is misfiring. worky, I’ll drop you a line but didn’t think my article was necessary given your’s and toonsy’s good work. Take it easy ladies and gents…

  53. Well am off to me scratcha as iv’e got graft in the morning, unlike Booby who couldn’t graft skin the lazy bone idle loser.

  54. Booby – Watch it sonny or i’ll be working on your face and you wouldn’t want that would ya.

  55. Batty – are you for real? You probably haven’t realised have you? but Jocky Wilson is Maradona.

  56. BBM “But most in that position are more happy being scornful. Which is what I find hard to accept”

    If you dont know what youre doing you get help first – you dont try to raise 100m then try to find out how to do it or what to do with it or if its legal.

    Everyone is scornful because they look like idiots and successful folk dont associate with idiots in business (over a drinks another matter lol) as they end up looking like one too.

  57. thats gotta be u troy right iam of Troy Stavers says:
    January 2, 2010 at 8:58 am
    Here man! Hoo’s Godda bmx for xmas like? Pure ladgeful that like! Am the best bmx stunt rider roond here like so Divvent give is any crap aboot being evil knevel wi me! A can burn bizzies off in their T5 volvos man! Anyways, ave just been doon to see big Micky ash and decka. Ha ha! Big Mick got a cushty racer like. It was top o the range. It had 5 gears and a water bottle. He reckons it cost 3 bags of toot but a reckon wi the leather seat like, it must have been 4 bags!
    Anyways, godda dash. Laters!
    f >>>>

  58. Woo hoo hoo hoo.

    TGS is gannin doon the pit the morro when its not even open.

    Don’t forget to feed the ponies and take your canary.

  59. ah right. I’ve seen his posts before. He is funny but it’s not me honestly.

    Thanks for the compliment tho.

    Batty I still think you are as thick as stardusts platform shoes. He must only be 5ft 3inches. He has little man syndrome.

  60. It definitely seems like they NEED HELP!
    I was gonna rhetorically ask what are they thinking, but they’re patently NOT(thinking).
    It defies belief.

  61. say good night to the rabbits Batty.

    And don’t forget to shut the hutch door behind you.

  62. This is just disgusting. At first i thought Ashley was just a bit thick in the head and really didnt mean to hurt the club, but now its just unbearable. It is so sickening, and really very sad to see how a great club can be brought down to this level by one bad owner. I seriously doubt that NUST can gets its stuff together and actually buy the club although its a nice idea. Il still support Newcastle even if they fall into the conference, but at times this all is enough to make you sick.

  63. “No wonder the NUST have no support with naive buffoons like you’s.”

    …”You’s”….Oh God! You are doing yourself or NUST no favours with your idiotic drivel. You have descended into the depths of name calling in almost every post, whilst at the same time trying to persuade people of NUST’s credentials and intentions???…I see many of the moronic crowd from Ed Harrison’s blog have migrated here.

    Keep up the good work author’s (I’m not sure who they are, sorry), i always enjoy reading your stuff.

  64. AmeriToon – What’s your opinion of the little pleb Stardust and his undying support for Ashley?

    It defies belief for me.

  65. Ameritoon – hope youve read the comments – its a nonsense – theyve told porkies and been caught with their pants down.

  66. Dragonera – thats a bit harsh fella – the banters good on here and nowhere near the level of what some dragged Eds to. (no disrespect to you Ed)

  67. Dragonera – Good to see you’ve posted another boring blog that makes people fall asleep.

    Anymore compliments coming your way. Maybe, thank your mam and dad, your loyal friends who have supported you through the bad times?

    oh how i look forward to your big personality and words of wisdom. not.

  68. The NUSC Survey in full.

    Section 1

    How happy are you with the way the club is being run off the pitch? *

    Very Happy
    Satisfied
    Unhappy
    Very Unhappy

    Do you have confidence in the current administration in delivering their 5 year plan? *

    Yes
    I would if I knew what it was
    i don’t know what it is
    No

    How have the current regime handled the club since our relegation last season? *

    Competently
    Averagely
    Incompetently
    Have not been interested

    Section 2

    After the 6 week Newcastle United Supporters Trust campaign ‘Yes We Can’ – do you think fans could own a stake in the club? *

    Yes
    No

    If the next phase of the campaign was led by a respected local business person – how likely would you be to back the campaign? *

    Very Likely
    Likely
    Interested
    Unlikely

    If the Supporters launched a buy out campaign with a respected local business person(s) and had a number of ways to invest – how likely would you be to back it? *

    Very Likely
    Likely
    Interested
    Unlikely

    Supporters, local businesses, investment banks have joined forces and are working on producing an investment prospectus – would you be interested in receiving a prospectus detailing the potential ways you can invest? *

    Very Likely
    Likely
    Interested
    Not Interested

    Do you see the supporters as a vehicle for positive change in Newcastle and should they lead a potential buy out? *

    Yes
    No
    Don’t Know

    Section 3

    If you invested in the club – how would you prefer to invest? *

    (Tick all that apply)

    Cash
    Part of your pension plan
    Monthly Payment Plan
    Other:

    If you invested in the club – would you prefer it to be a mix with other investors? *

    (Tick all that apply)

    Significant Local Investors
    Institutional Investors
    Corporate Investors
    Supporters

    You e-mail address (optional)
    If you choose to provide it, we will only use your email address to contact you with information regarding the Yes We Can campaign and ways to invest in the supporter takeover of Newcastle United. We promise not to sell, give away or share your information with any other parties or use them for any other purpose.

  69. totally off subject does any no or can work out transfers under ashley ins and out the likes of parker emre milner dyer nzobia given martins duff makes u sick thinkin the talent he has flogged out and the shit he has brought in a bet he has no were near spent more than he has got in

  70. A bit late to add much to the blog, my compliments to the author for stimulating so many comments from such a load of drivel.
    And it is Bobby Shaftoe not Bobby Shinty, which incidently is the name of the motorised barge that used to plow back and forth between the Stella power station and the sea carrying spoil to be dumped. Perhaps it could do us all a favour and do one more run with the NUST nutters plus Booby (sorry Bobby) Shinty on board.

  71. That isn’t meant to be a dig at the author by the way, the drivel I was referring to was the plethora of moronic comments from the NUST supporters.

  72. a just tried to work out the money we have spent out on transfers under ashley a would say its only bout 35-40
    million the money he has got in is joke
    parker 8mil
    dyer 8mil
    milner 10mil
    emre 8mil
    given 8mil
    nzobia 6mil
    ab faye out 2mil
    rozenhal out 3
    martins 7mil
    bassong out 8mil just a few over 60 million just here

  73. Strange blog site, Its full of chavs and makums masquerading as Toon supporters and believe me it gets more imbecilic as the night wears on.

  74. This statement has killed all credability (if there was any) of NUST.

    These guys are morons. People say they have their hearts in the right places, but continuing to cause so much unrest at a football clubs with ludacris statements can surely not be beneficial. Especially when there are idiots out there who actually believe the tripe they talk.

  75. Dave, been thinking the same for a while, they wont have a wrong said about the board and yet form a collective bullying team to hammer true supporters, definitely mackems and wums.

  76. I hate the blame culture on this Blog. A decent, well intentioned group of fans try and do the almost impossible but are prevented by a group of ignorant fans who make it totally impossible. NUST openly admit they started off with no expertise and were learning by their mistakes as they went on. All they ask is your support in order to get the snowball rolling and attract the right people to take them onto the next phase. I hope you are proud of yourselves in blighting their cause.

  77. I wouldn’t go as far to sully them with mackems claims, but do find the level of hatred for a group of supporters from some of the guys on here objectionable.

    I completely understand the criticisms being levelled at them but I find it almost distasteful that there are groups of other supporters just willing them to fail and enjoying any pitfalls they encounter.

    As we’ve said before, as well-intentioned as they are, they might just fail miserably. But do people have to contribute to their failure and enjoy the prospect so much?

    It seems to me Mike Ashley is being allowed the privilege of ‘learning by his mistakes’, why not a group of fellow supporters who might achieve something great for us?

  78. dragonera – you never fail to make me puke my ring , why dont you sod off back to ed’s blog where i’m sure you’ll appreciate your own company – the depression kicks in whenever i see your name.

    it’s people like you that give the southerners a bad name.

  79. Mr. Tony Stephenson, Yet another bit of drivel , made up to substantiate a position against Ashley , Instead of making up this type of crap , stick to the point , that being Ashley is an idiot , As for you , You should have kept counting smarties instead of getting involved in business and politics.

  80. The NUST as far as have been concerned have never been a credible organisation since it was spawned as the NUSC. It came about on a huge wave of hate after the KK debarkle. They charged £10 membership a year for little or nothing in return (sounds almost like theft I said almost). Now they are asking people to plough there hard earned into this fans take over on nothing other than blind faith.

    They spew rumours forth mascarading it as fact trying to sling mud at MA who must be laughing his back off. Due to these morons at the NUST I for one would rather MA stay than these fools.

    And this bobby charater is an idiot of the highest order and re-inforces the idea that the people who back the NUST are the worst of the bed sheet mob that help screw us over in the first place.

  81. Absolutely bbm ! Give them a chance and lets see if we can get the snowball rolling and judge them once they have gone as far as they can. I just cant understand the mentality of these knockers. Stardust keeps saying they are targeting the vulnerable. Their website explains the pitfalls. People who have pensions have jobs. Hence a modicum of common sense. They will make an informed decision and dont need dunderheads to dictate and stifle their choice. Who do you NUST haters think you are?

  82. i think,, some stories are amazing ,, its like none of us have brains,, and should believe what ever is put out there,,

  83. Rediculous statement from NUST lacking in credibility although their hearts are in the right place. I am going to be a tad controversial in my next statement but digest first but posting abuse. I loathe Ashley for what he has done in allowing us to go down (it shouldnt have happened with some sensible investment in a couple of players) and I dont trust him or his spin doctor Llambias as far as I could spit but Ashley might just get it right in terms of business model etc. Financially, the club is a helluva lot more stable now and better prepared than we were a couple of years ago. The wage bill has been dramatically reduced (it had to be). Yes, revenue has dropped but will increase massively should we go straight back up. Alegedly, the club is being financially run similarly to Arsenal and if thats the case it can only be positive because believe me that Man U, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea will all come a cropper in the future with the way their clubs are be financed at present because it can’t continue. The biggest asset we have is the amazing passion and loyalty of our fans who are the envy of all. Lets see what this transfer window brings. Its an opportunity for Ashley to reward the fans for this loyalty by bringing in 2 or 3 new faces. Then lets see what the future brings. If Ashley does leave in the summer then we will be a much better proposition than we were. I only hope there aint any skeletons in the cupboard because it has perplexed me why rich foreigners are keen to buy others such as Portsmouth but not us

  84. Moving off thread but still on the subject of money:

    Hughton’s eveidently confident of bringing in the three players he’s targeted. They include Beckford, Danny Simpson (!)and A N Other.

    http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2010/01/12/chris-hughton-is-confident-of-landing-targets-61634-25576871/2/

    I take comfort from the fact that he’s told Llambias who he wants and is happy to let others worry about negotiating the deal.

    Does that mean that Ashley and Llambias aren’t on holdiday but are conducting player negotiations in Las Vegas?

  85. Steve b. . . . We are currently top of the championship by luck and not design. Dont for one second believe ashley new this outcome. He openly admitted he is not a football expert and is out of his depth running a premier league club. We could quite easily be languishing in the bottom half of the league in a critical situation had the league been of a reasonable standard. So no credit to ashley there. To compare us to arsenal in terms of structure is not worth commenting on.

  86. Mike Ashley is probably making £7m a month but not just from Newcastle Utd, he’s probably making it from all his companies together & NUST have been given this mis-information to make them look like idiots, which if they had said it was true would have worked but because they’ve used that old analogy ‘a source’ had told them, it free’s them from any libel suit or lookings like complete idiots!!! Why do you think crap-loids use it so often!!

    Anyways, I’d like to think that NUST could run the club a bit Barcalona style but you have to remerber one thing, Barcalona have been run that way for some time & was taken over by fans when footy clubs didn’t cost a lot & players were sold for 100’s of thousands & not 10’s of milliones, so it was easy for them to do what they do now, as for the Toon fans to do the same would some seriously rich fans to cough up some of their own money, which in the NE are few & far between, so another idea would be for say 7 fairly riches fans to get together & share the club, each putting in around £30m, some of these so called fans could be Fat Freddy, Shearer, Moat etc, then FFS could be Chairman, Shearer could be Manager & Moat could be CEO with all having to go to the other 4 who make up the board of Newcastle Utd, NUST could have 1 or 2 people on the board & everyone would be happy :)

    So what do you think of that suggestion???

  87. Reagardless of the Bollicks NUST Talk, and they do, not once since they were ‘formed'[ have I believed in anything they say or do, buit not to the extent that I disbelieve anything the current owner says or does!!!
    The fact remains that Mike Ashley has done nothing for our football club!!!
    Oh he has, his mis managment got us relegated. Almost forgot about that!!

  88. STEVEB;have no take nust,suck it and see,will never trust liers proved liers ash and co,foreigners are buying epl teams on the cheap,pompy,20mil,west ham 50-80mil,one thing that has spoiled our great game is greed,tv money etc,gone are the days when crowd size plus a bit adv,govened what you could spent,and player loyalty but what can we do mate,sad times

  89. Mike can fix the Annual reports to suit himself, he owns the club and only has himself to report to, not the “city” as Freddie used to. Reports will be fiddled to make out we are still “Haemorrhaging” money, as Llamb said a while ago.

    I do believe Ashley is making a lot of money from NUFC, not quite as much as £7M a month like!!

  90. Blimey – what a thread!

    Yesterday, before the £7m-a-month idiocy put a serious dent in their credibility, I was defending NUST to the hilt – especially against Stardust’s chasmic leap from incompetence to organised deception.

    Today, I am very, very wary of NUST. BUT

    Does everybody at least acknowledge how much work, study, intelligence and negotiating nouse it takes to get this far? To get this much press and this big a membership?

    My best guess is that one of their least clued-up people wrote that stupid bit of text and failed to get it checked. Big clanger. Huge.

    What I think we have is a group of well-meaning, determined and visionary people. With some utter muppets in their too.

    Let’s see what the prospectus looks like then decide. But as BBM says: let’s keep our minds open for god’s sake – you cynics cut Ashley more slack than your own fellow supporters!

    If the detailed info is also full of holes, then yep – perhaps it’s the wrong people. But right now some of you… including Stardust – are just twisting everything to some conspiracy theory.

    Stardust: why is asking how people are likely to pay ‘dispicable’?? I thought you were supposed to be a money man? If you are building a business plan that is EXACTLY the type of question you need answered.

    I appreciate some of the points you’re drawing on as evidence – but your conclusions are outrageously off the mark. Sorry, but quoting your CV doesn’t help – people like you crashed the world economy, fella.

  91. 1974 says:
    January 12, 2010 at 10:12 am
    Mike can fix the Annual reports to suit himself, he owns the club and only has himself to report to, not the “city” as Freddie used to. Reports will be fiddled to make out we are still “Haemorrhaging” money, as Llamb said a while ago.

    I do believe Ashley is making a lot of money from NUFC, not quite as much as £7M a month like!!

    Idiot!

    As a ltd company they have to file their accounts with companies house so that anyone who wants to can check their books and financial status.

    The accounts have to be signed off by auditors, off memory I believe it was deloittes who signed them off last year. They only signed them off because Ashley’s £20m investment kept the club a going concern.

    He cannot just take money out of the club without anyone knowing as it would come up in the audit.

  92. Watch out for the line in the accounts titled “VEGAS”, this will be the biggest expenditure, not transfer fees.

  93. Ta for that Stuart – well put!

    Some really daft conjecture going on from all sides of this argument!

    I’m sure the £7m thing is some misrepresentation of figures – but it really concerns me that NUST have either put it in without realising that (which indicates stupidity) or have used it (Llambias/Ashley stylie) to deceive. I prefer the former, but neither is good.

    However, this is a long, long game and one clanger like this does not justify a conclusion. It takes years for that. After all, it took me until the Keegangate report to finally judge Ashley’s regime – and even then, I’m still reserving judgement on some aspects.

    Patience, people. A bit of piss-take is in order, and a bit of due diligence by those thinking of investing. Slaggings-off can only be counter-productive. Alas, that is the culture we live in now – make a news story out of anything and blow it beyond any proportion to the evidence.

  94. Just thought I’d chip in with my two penneth:

    I would never trust an organisation like NUST for two reasons; first they love the club too much and care about it too much, so it’s hard to believe they would ever be rational and always act in the club’s best interests.

    The second reason is that, whilst Mike Ashley may never have run a football club before, NUST hasn’t either. They seem to think that loving and caring about the club will be enough to fix everything that Ashley has knackered, but it’s not. If they’re ever going to win with this fan power thing, they need to start thinking about an experienced board before cobbling all of their pennies to relieve Mike Ashley of his asset.

    I just don’t ever see it working and the statement about the £7m shows that we are not entrusting our club to a bunch of Einsteins.

  95. Good point, Davies – but NUST have said all along that their plan is based on the idea of getting the specialists in (as per Barca) rather than any mob-rule approach. But I really don’t want the idiot that wrote that £7m thing anywhere near the board.

    I suspect they have a lot of good people helping them, and if the prospectus reads well, that will be confirmed. In the mean time, I think it may be rather easy to work out whether any communication was written by one of the NUST guys or one of their paid professionals!

    Jees, what a clanger. I wonder if they’ll release a correction?

  96. Does anyone else think that a few years with NUST taking a meaningful stake (say 25%) and a place on the board for their elected rep would be a good thing? That way we get to check them out a bit and let things stabilise before they decide whether to progress towards a majority or total ownership.

    Also, I’m of the ever-strengthening opinion that this will be the last year of the spend-to-succeed culture in football. We’re going to see some big names collapse soon – possibly including Manure – and before long there must be rules coming in to stop Citeh and Chelski-style operations. A few years of financial prudence – preferably with steady improving league places – really appeals to me in that environment.

  97. pointless debate really,nusc have got more chance of getting a lift off a pop wagon in the desert than running newcastle united.
    i still dont think we,ll have much future under abott and costello and poor man,s obama.

  98. Good to see a more common sense approach. Give these people a chance instead of listening to the hate filled stardust spouting his bile like he does about the ordinary fan who he thinks hes above. I dont think any of us thought NUST would still be going strong this long after they formed. Keep the snowball rolling and get behind them and then decide if you want to invest once they reach their goal.

  99. Sorry, the NUST may be well meaning and care for the club but to trade one incompetent owner for a bunch of them is just shear lunacy. Ashley has money and will (at least appears to) put it in when Its required to keep us solvent. These NUST boys have only mentioned the magic £100 mil, where will the rest come from for running costs transfers, if we get promoted and the price goes up. They can’t or won’t put together or show us thier plans. They haven’t shown us a strategy, anything goal driven so we can judge progress and make an informed decision on if it’s achievable. It’s we will buy the club for £100 million, give us some money to do it.

    Bloody hell if I went to the bank with something like that for a business plan I’d be laughed at, as I am know with these clowns. I hear people says rubbish like we let mike make these mistakes while in charge why not let these lots as well. OK if that’s the case I feel we will cease to exist as NUFC in the very near future. That’s how much this lot worry me.

  100. BSN9. I was referring the economic running of the club similar to Arsenal. 2 years prior to Arsenal moving ground, they cut their cloth in anything and everything they did. They brought in young, promising kids for the future and have sold very wisely since Wenger has been in charge. Overmars, Petit, Anelka, Vierra and Henry to name but a few much to the disappointed of the fans. However, they are financially a much healthier club than their rivals and will eventually reap the rewards accordingly. I would regard our clubs business model is more like Arsenal rather than the big spending debt ridden clubs as previously mentioned, although we have a million miles to go before competing with the Gooners. We have to deal with the facts. Had the clubs debt continued to spiral, the debt would become unsustainable and the club would be in a far worse state than it is now. Administration was a serious possibility (FACT)Admittedly, I for one didnt anticipate we would be top of the league but we are. We are because we have the best team in the league (at present)FACT. Ashley has to learn from the many mistakes he has made because the fans will only take so much, however, the feel good factor of NUFC fans now is much better than it was this time last year. The futures bright, the future BLACK and WHITE

  101. Whumpie

    “Stardust: why is asking how people are likely to pay ‘dispicable’?? I thought you were supposed to be a money man? If you are building a business plan that is EXACTLY the type of question you need answered.”

    They have things in the wrong order Whumpie – business plan first complete with financials, presentations, considerations and then commitment. You dont target vulnerable fans seeing which of the idiots are prepared to give you their pensions BEFORE financials are released. The sales team will simply target all these poor fools first – do you not recognise the danger in that. People are pre-qualifying themselves as stupid, inexperienced and gullible!

    That same information can be used by those with it, to establish what is the best way to raise cash quickly to achieve their own objectives – whatever they are. (if it is being lead by a business head for example)

    Re “If the detailed info is also full of holes, then yep – perhaps it’s the wrong people. But right now some of you… including Stardust – are just twisting everything to some conspiracy theory.”

    I expect by the time the prospectus is produced for it to be of a very good standard, advisors will generally get things right with enough time and money – but they dont have time to buy out the club – with every passing game the price is going up as promotion draws near.

    Finally re the conspiratorial aspect. The prospectus will clear many points up – but their survey also suggests that institutions and business will be invited to invest. They will only invest if they can get a financial return! Something Ashley has not done! Whereas every other man in history at this club has pillaged us for his own needs.

    Since this is an investment it is not possible to protect the basic notions of fans based control – investments require free markets to allow profit maximisation. That will always leave open doors for profit maximisation, power and control from opportunist individuals. Time alone will show that.

    Finally – Morning Stavers.

  102. Yacka – I think you might be quoting me there – “I hear people says rubbish like we let mike make these mistakes while in charge why not let these lots as well. OK if that’s the case I feel we will cease to exist as NUFC in the very near future. That’s how much this lot worry me.

    I think you might be misintepreting me there. I’m not advocating they go into this blindly with no idea how to run a football club. My parallel was drawing against how NUST are making mistakes in establishing themselves as a genuine organisation. What I’m suggesting, is that the guys on here who have had patience with Ashley throughout, could show the same compassion for their fellow supporters?

    I realise that much of this is down to fans genuinely not wanting to jeopardise the future of the club but I find it a bit discomforting that we’re so quick to turn on our own supporters.

    As for Tony Stephenson, I think some of the content and perhaps intent is ill-advised, when I met the bloke he appeared sincere and intelligent, though I accept this release can be interpreted quite badly.

  103. Worky – theyve made a right bunch of muppets of themselves here havent they. Geordies are now officially moronic around the globe – I take no pleasure in that – Im one. How stupid can people be.

    BBM – you are one of the very most dangerous type of fan. Apparently on the surface – reasonable – but a radical fundamentalist at heart.

    When your mother told you to stop, look and listen when crossing the road – did you. When she said – dont put your hand in the fire or you will get burned – did you?

    Sometimes when the warning signs are there, and when people who have experienced these things tell you of the reasons why this is wrong – you have to accept it.

    “They seem like decent blokes” does not cut it when the evidence has them labelled far differently already.

  104. That’s some classic misquoting mind Dusty…

    Yeah, I don’t just hang the bedsheets, I make them and deliver them. :)

    I don’t I’ve ever been called a radical fundamentalist before? Will I still be allowed on planes or am I going to have to worry that my scarf and rattle could be constituted as a threat to take down the Boeing 747 over Mike’s house?

  105. bowburnmag says:
    January 12, 2010 at 11:11 am

    “What I’m suggesting, is that the guys on here who have had patience with Ashley throughout, could show the same compassion for their fellow supporters?”

    But there is a difference, Bowburn, Ashley is shouldering his own risk. He isn’t asking for people’s pensions and risking their financial security in old age. To do this wreckelessly and irresponsibly isn’t a good thing. People who are asking for your pension or your life savings must stand up to the highest level of scrutiny.

  106. latest crap doing the rounds on the sky transfer rumours page,venegoor of hesselink at the benton training ground poised to sign and edgar davids on the way ha ha.

  107. hi boys! a lot of you lot are talking about NUST but u are forgetting we sold about 50 million in players alone since over the year and r playing only 50% of wages this year plus they only thought we would be getting 25 to 35,000 people watching us but think about it lads we are paying more money to watch games then we would do with season ticket holders. and a another thing boys is this the first time nobody has come and told us how much the club has made 2008 to 2009 season plus may to december.

  108. I’m not sure what the allegation was?

    Keegan taught me the Green Cross Code and I’m still alive, I have more than The Entertainers to thank him for. Not sure I ever had to be told not to put my hand in the fire. It always seemed like a more sensible option not to. I accept there are warnings signs, as I’ve done all along.

    Was the allegation that I’m a radical fundamentalist? Doesn’t that mean I’m high on some lists around the world?

  109. BBM if I’ve misinturpreted what you were getting at I’m sorry. I think that the NUST has poisoned the idea slighty of a fan ownership scheme because I think if done correctly could be great for the club but this is being cobbled together with little direction and they are giving us very little to unite behind. The slagging match they now appear to be starting is only cause rifts in what is a plan in it’s infancy. And due to the way it’s being handled I feel will become little more than a more twisted version of what it is now. It has never been thought out fully and has always been knee jerk reaction as the latest statement proves, as it looks like no-one checked what was been said and just blurted it out makeing them look very foolish. Inturn causing what we see on this blog before us.

  110. worky – I’m absolutely aware that the pensions thing has huge question marks over it. I’m just prepared to see where they can go with it.

  111. BinBurnMag

    “I accept there are warnings signs, as I’ve done all along” is up there with tony Stephenson.

    You statements re them always end with the caveat – but their nice lads – we will give them a chance – when they have already carried out untold wrongs. The survey pinpointing who is gullible and stupid being their most recent despicable display. As I have posted about – it will provide them with a checklist of those willing to invest their pensions sight unseen of the financials.

    You choose not to see the wrong in that!

    Do you choose only to see wrongs that affect yourself – or do you recognise the danger to the ill-informed and inexperienced?

  112. Its official BinBurnMag

    “worky – I’m absolutely aware that the pensions thing has huge question marks over it. I’m just prepared to see where they can go with it.”

    You dont care about anyone but yourself! You dont care that others are committing on paper in a survey saying they will use their pensions to fund them when there isnt a scheme in place! You dont care these people will be targeted first, you dont care they come out with lies and have conducted the whole campaign unethically. You dont care because BinBurnMags OK – you forget about the few thousand others who arent waiting up to see the projection, you forget about those willing to lay down their pensions for some fools to waste it and ruin their futures.

    Wake up BinBurnMag – the world isnt just about you – you have a duty to protect the gullible, foolish and innocent fans too.

  113. Mornin lads, everyone see the mail claiming we’ve “warned” Leeds that we wont wait too long for Beckford. I’m sure they must be gutted.

    “Now i know we’ve offered under the asking price and refused to budge but i’m warning you, if you dont agree to that i’m going to walk away and leave the star of your team where he is. I’m warning you!”

    Doesn’t make much sense, obviously just looking for a story regarding us and Beckford as there’s been nowt over the past few days.

  114. Is anyone aware we actually have a game tomorrow night?

    Weneed to reserve judgment on the whole thing until everyone actually knows what’s being done by them.

    Although they haven’t covered themselves in glory recently so I have to question their intelligence.

  115. I’m not really sure where you’re getting these quotes from? The group I met certainly did seem like decent fellas but that’s hardly been my catch-all justification for not ridiculing them?

    I’m also not sure whether you want me to just concede defeat so you can tick a win box or whether you’re genuinely interested in my views? I’ve just implied in answering to worky, as I’ve always agreed, that there appear to be strong elements of risk in their approach and a definite loophole in which financials groups could expose for their own gain at the expense of the uninitiated and passionate supporter. NUST seem to be aware of that and are seeling like-minded experts to work with. That doesn’t mean they’ll get the support, but why ridicule?

    Tony Stephenson seems to have taken the wrong tack with this, because it seems a preposterously inflated figure and also a potentially unnecessary sideswipe. But I should now just banish them to Room 101?

    I assume you’re irritated given your witty twist on my name? Or is that the signal that I’m no longer worth your debating breath?

  116. “I assume you’re irritated given your witty twist on my name? Or is that the signal that I’m no longer worth your debating breath?”

    No I like the fella ;)

    All I am seeking is that you wake up and recognise the plain wrongdoing. Its disingenuous to suggest that the way they have ran the campaign is innocent. Its far from it – from day 1 they have targeted the innocent, vulnerable and inexperienced.

    That in my book makes them totally untrustworthy – their recent 7m statement also targets a similar mindset people.

    As I say BBM – wake up – the campaign is deliberate – they have told you that – its funny – all their “mistakes” and “inexperience” target the same vulnerable people.

    Its unforgivable.

  117. bowburnmag says:
    January 12, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    “That doesn’t mean they’ll get the support, but why ridicule?”

    Quite alot of the NUST’s campaign has been based on ridicule, Bowburn. So why should they be immune from it? Surely that would be hypocrisy?

  118. Stardust,

    Maybe they see the people they want to invest as disenchanted supporters like them, not vulnerable or indeed innocent. I doubt they see themsleves as innocent or vulnerable.

    I doubt there doing this with malice, just a big heart in the wrong place.

  119. Stardust – sorry to get on yer back, fella – but in some otherwise well-considered posts you’ve said some pretty bizarre stuff for someone who claims to do this stuff for a living.

    First up: How exactly can you write a business case without any idea of how and when money is coming in?

    Second: Nobody has done anything more than expressed an early impression of what they think of the NUST aims – let alone “committing on paper in a survey saying they will use their pensions to fund them”.

    Thirdly – and this is for just about everyone: NUST is NOT talking about going straight from here to buying 100% of NUFC. That’s mad. It’s their stated, long-term aim, nothing more.

    What IS achievable is a place on the board backed up by a reasonable shareholding. I believe they will produce a prospectus making it quite clear how they intend to do that. If they don’t, I’m out. If they do, I may be tempted.

    (Mind you, all that aside, the £7m thing is still a cringworthy clanger – but no more)

  120. TROJAN 69 says:
    January 12, 2010 at 10:56 am
    pointless debate really,nusc have got more chance of getting a lift off a pop wagon in the desert than running newcastle united.
    i still dont think we,ll have much future under abott and costello and poor man,s obama.
    <<<<< trojan most sensible comment on this tread m8

  121. Whumpie says:
    January 12, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    “Thirdly – and this is for just about everyone: NUST is NOT talking about going straight from here to buying 100% of NUFC. That’s mad.”

    Whumpie,

    “Initially the Supporters’ Trust will work to raise an appropriate market price to buy out the current owner”

    from their website.

  122. Stardust – aside from yesterday’s £7 thing, which was clearly written by an idiot, can you explain exactly why you think the NUST campaign amounts to “plain wrongdoing”?

    You say they have targeted “the innocent, vulnerable and inexperienced”. So that would be the fans, then. Who else are they supposed to target, the Womens’ Guild??

    Seriously – I don’t get your argument for them being crooks. Please back it up because all the examples you’ve given have just been things which any Trust would have to do as part of their progression.

  123. Whumpie

    “First up: How exactly can you write a business case without any idea of how and when money is coming in?

    Theyre called financial projections Whumpie. What if scenarios have to be included too, what f we get promoted, stay where we are, crowds fall, crowds rise. They all should be contained in a financial model.

    “Second: Nobody has done anything more than expressed an early impression of what they think of the NUST aims – let alone “committing on paper in a survey saying they will use their pensions to fund them”.”

    Whumpie please think how that information can be used! Its the most dangerous thing they have done to date – any informed investor would not answer that question or consider the invesment until the financial model and business plan is in place.

    “Thirdly – and this is for just about everyone: NUST is NOT talking about going straight from here to buying 100% of NUFC. That’s mad. It’s their stated, long-term aim, nothing more.”

    Unfortunately you can not go down and route with Nomads, Advsors, Lawyers, Accountants, Corporate Financiers etc etc etc unless thats you aim – its too expensive.

    What IS achievable is a place on the board backed up by a reasonable shareholding. I believe they will produce a prospectus making it quite clear how they intend to do that. If they don’t, I’m out. If they do, I may be tempted.”

    Agreed (it would need to be a conditional investment) but as Clint Flick said – its like inviting cancer into your club. They have slagged off MA and the board at every opportunity – he doesnt need their money or their backing – as if we get promoted the fickle nature of fans will prevail. And everyone will be happy we are promoted, solvent and in the PL league again.

    Nothing I say is obtuse, its just how it is fella.

  124. batty says:
    January 12, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    “worky i will take that job u offerd me the other week as moderator m8”

    batty, that would be like putting Gary Glitter in charge of Childline.

  125. this aint debating it’s blog bullying – bowburn you keep to your views – an open mind on this subject as you do on many others & refuse having to except other people’s.

    i recall someone (stuart79) being threatened with having their face punched in , he never stood up for himself & now look at the the state he’s in – a complete wreck of a man.

  126. workyticket says:
    January 12, 2010 at 12:42 pm
    batty says:
    January 12, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    “worky i will take that job u offerd me the other week as moderator m8″

    batty, that would be like putting Gary Glitter in charge of Childline.
    <<<<< :lol:

  127. Stardust says:
    January 12, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    ‘as if we get promoted the fickle nature of fans will prevail. And everyone will be happy we are promoted, solvent and in the PL league again’.

    There would have to be huge PR improvements for that to happen.

    But more importantly for us ‘fickle fans’ serious investment in the playing squad would be needed.

    The high spirits and good will afforded for promotion would soon be lost watching the slow, defensive and relitively average players get beat every week.

  128. bowburn croppers right u carry on with your veiws ; we all know stardy talks a load of tripe most of the times m8

  129. Whumpie….. you disappointment me with your questions re Stadust writing some bizarre stuff at times.

    With a super intellect, he will ineviatbly baffle the less-sophisticated of us who roam this earth – simply because we are focussed on the detail rather than the big picture!

    Though I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the plausible stuff is lifted from the web. The seeming ‘bizarre’ will surely be a product of his own fertile super intellect!

    On a more mundane note, it looks as though Mr Geremi’s set to move on.

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2010/01/12/hughton-to-end-saga-over-midfielder-geremi-72703-25580597/

  130. workyticket says:
    January 12, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    batty, what’s all this about me ignoring you? I haven’t been ignoring you at all!
    <<<<< y kna me worky :lol:

  131. Roy Cropper says:
    January 12, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    I’m still very proud of that!

    I believe I am the only one on here to get under Stardust’s skin to that extent.

  132. Worky – yep, conceded. I thought that statement was long gone, but it’s still there and the word ‘initially’ is daft.

    The main investment interest from my point of view (taking club passion aside) was the gain coming from getting promoted. Now that side is greatly diminished, with the value already rocketing as promotion gets more and more likely while Ashley still owns 100%.

    Still interested in the prospectus, though.

  133. @161……batty, that would be like putting Gary Glitter in charge of Childline.

    Or King Herod in charge of a creche!

  134. cropper we all know stardust couldnt knock the skin off a rice pudding so divent bring it up agen cos stuart will start too do some serious leaking lol

  135. Stuart79 says:
    January 12, 2010 at 12:51 pm
    Roy Cropper says:
    January 12, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    I’m still very proud of that!

    I believe I am the only one on here to get under Stardust’s skin to that extent.
    <<<< well ive been dead too stardust on a number of times lol

  136. Lesh – thank you – my next lesson is on the berth of the universe by the convergence of black holes to the singularity of space and time in the form of white holes.

    Please meet me an JC134 next to the Mirabab Nebula. Worm hole access to JC 134 is below the Monument at 17.34.35.000123 hrs today.

    171 – Stuart – true indeed lol.

  137. Batty 175 thats true too LOL. Maybe I should be chair of NUST – King of the Hissyfitters and Kneejerkers lol.

  138. stardust no divent bother u just sit in y bedsit on ur computer ware its warm ile drop u some out of date greggs pasterys off lata :lol:

  139. I love the hate filled tripe dusty speaks. Not. . Get this straight dusty. No one has taken money out of anyones account yet. They are merely asking for pledges at this stage. They will provide a prospectus once they move onto the next stage. That is when you make an informed decision whether to invest. So stop trying to fill other bloggers with your drivel as these are the same people you slated last season for having a go at ashley. It turns out we were all right in our predictions. Relegation.

  140. stardustthat,s a good name for a new working men,s club.
    it,s up there with the wheel tapper,s and shunters.

  141. BBM, re. your comment much earlier in the thread, I don’t think its the majority of the NUST people (as you say ordinary supporters) that are being slated, more the organisers. They are either very optimistic, deluded or perpretating some kind of pyramid scam. Take your pick.

  142. Stardust did you mean Birth, or do you know of some particular place where we can park our interstellar vehicles. :)

  143. Ah ha. Its good to see batty makes an appearance around midday having spent all morning washing the kebab out of his hair and apologising to the neighbours for playing his music too loud til 3am. You can set your watch by battys routine.

  144. Stardy, can you put up an argument to my post at 1.05pm. Dont have post number cos im using my phone and it doesnt list the post number.

  145. Bobby@180, some folk do not want to listen to varied opinions and will resort to abuse and belittlement in order to intimidate, personally the beauty of this blog, apart from certain superintelligentmegahyperbeings, is the said difference of opinions.
    I saw a post earlier wanting you barred because of your view, take no notice, i may or may not agree with what you say but i will read it with interest.

  146. @Bigbadbob . To be fair i was winding people up last night to liven things up. Mo swearing, light hearted banter and i knew a couple of the bloggers personally. But my main point is to give the NUST a chance and Ive explained why in previous posts this morning. Im not convinced at all they will succeed but bile speaking stardust who hates all the so called common fans poisons the minds of those who are, lets say, more gullible than others. Who mentioned batty?

  147. Stardust @ 176….. “Lesh – thank you – my next lesson is on the berth of the universe”

    It was birth you tried to say wasn’t it?

    Rather than astro physics, may I suggest spelling lessons as an alternative?

  148. Omg what a ridiculous statement. Even Man Utd didnt make that much last year with the sale of Ronaldo. Making 7 million a month yet he was gona sell for 100 million?

    Some people are abit desperate for investors and coming up woth ludicrous figures.

    With obviously stupid statements like that to get people to buy into their dream, does that make them much better than MA?

  149. Bobby Shinton number 9 says:
    January 12, 2010 at 1:59 pm
    @Bigbadbob . To be fair i was winding people up last night to liven things up. Mo swearing, light hearted banter and i knew a couple of the bloggers personally. But my main point is to give the NUST a chance and Ive explained why in previous posts this morning. Im not convinced at all they will succeed but bile speaking stardust who hates all the so called common fans poisons the minds of those who are, lets say, more gullible than others. Who mentioned batty
    <<<<<< class for some 1 who spends time drinking with stardy troy

  150. Batty, Stardust does not drink with the hoi-polloi nor share their taste in drinks.

    He is not like we mere mortals. Sawdust is a super being, a super hero, nay a god who drinks the elixir of wisdom.

    Or so he would try to have us believe!

  151. Big Willy – Lesh – lol – yep – basic error. And so the curtain draws back from the Wizard of Oz to show he is a little tashed dwarf with a very camp dog lol.

    BigBadBob – stalking me again – I apologise if I seem to play on your insecurities youre obviously a little sensitive – may I suggest Pampers with Aloe Vera?

    Bobby – its really funny that BigBadBob has been stalking me for weeks – only to find that he ends up seeking salvation in Troy Stavers – woo hoo. Bob – sit on Bobbys BMX he will give you a lift to nowheresville.

  152. BigBadBob, thank you for mentioning me in comment 191 and I totally agree with your sentiment.
    As Jean Paul Satre said, “We might disagree with every word said by a blogger, but we should be prepared to defend the right to say them to the death”

  153. Big WIlly @ 199, why?

    After all, the great man Stardust does set himself up to be shot at and it’s open season!

  154. Great craic on here, and even though I venemously disagree with a lot of what Sawdust says, the blog would be the poorer without him. Likewise so many others, now the pure wummers of the old blog seem to have gone back to Dungeons and Dragons.

    Last week there was a great debate on climate change. This week, someone is quoting Satre, for chrissakes!!

    Who said footie was the preserve of luddites?

    They’ll make a telly prog about it and put it on Dave.

  155. Just a quick change of discussion here ,

    How hard is it to get tickets for newcastle games on the day of the match? Can you go up to SJP Ticket office and buy them on the day?

  156. 1st time posting on here and will probably be the last if the like’s of batty is anything to go by.

  157. This blog site is all smoke and mirrors, just like a Alice in Wonderland. You cannot lose what you don’t have, you need to buy a 11s/6p top hat first.
    Were’s that bloody white rabbit gone now,oh yes its gone up the NUFC blogs rectum.

  158. Dolly Dobbin says:
    January 12, 2010 at 3:18 pm
    1st time posting on here and will probably be the last if the like’s of batty is anything to go by.
    <<<< and whys that

  159. 209 Whumpie says:
    January 12, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Show some respect to his eminence.

    It’s not just any rag-tag and bobtail you’re berating, it is he, it is no less than Housedust who has clearly stimulated the high-brow debate!

    What time’s the poetry reading start?

  160. Dolly Dobbin says:
    January 12, 2010 at 3:18 pm
    1st time posting on here and will probably be the last if the like’s of batty is anything to go by.
    <<<< oh by the way crackin post

  161. Dolly Dobbin, stay with it, you’ll enjoy the craic and be yet another one to admire Stardust’s wisdom.

  162. batty take 2 a4 sheets scribble your +’s on one sheet and your -‘s on the other , tot them up and there’s the answer. good bye

  163. I personally can’t afford to pay NUST any monthly cash, and I’m not giving them my pension to play with either. I could afford a donation now and again at most. I’m not skint, but I’m not reducing the quality of my life on a risky venture unless it’s a tenner a month or something.

    I would say 99% of Geordies are in my position, so thats why I think NUST will fail.

    I love the idea of fan ownership, but I’m not giving up my future to do it. I’ve never been impressed with their emails, they seem very ‘knocked together’ and not very professionally written.

    My impressions of them are mixed, but good luck to them as they at least have the balls to try it.

  164. Dave – apparently my ego is like a power station supplying the christmas lights on the houses in Blakelaw – it cant get enough insults to fuel it properly either lol.

  165. Dont really care cause it aint gonna happen, a romantic idea that appeals to those who despise Ashley.
    Talking about NUST.

    Just hope no one loses money, so buyer beware.

    Some funny stuff here to-day,
    Had to laugh at Bobby Shaftoe`s line
    Dont forget to feed the ponies and bring your canarie. Priceless !

    Oh bye the way, quite sure Ashley will be gone before Christmas, before you start partying think about the old adage “Better the devil you know”.

  166. Paul – any chance you could publish them here so we can see them?

    It’d be interesting to see the tack they have taken.

  167. Sorry to go all low brow, but take another look at the photo at the top of the page. Look at the bint standing behind Ashley. Do you think big Mike has let one off?

  168. Dolly Dobbin says:
    January 12, 2010 at 3:33 pm
    batty take 2 a4 sheets scribble your +’s on one sheet and your -’s on the other , tot them up and there’s the answer. good bye
    <<<< not that clever are u halfwit

  169. Stardust:

    I was referring to the generic emails that I’m sure most of us received. I don’t mean the content, or that they were full of spelling mistakes.

    I can’t really explain it, it’s just that it all seems so unprofessional despite having all these top businessmen on board. If I was a top businessman I just feel that I would be saying ‘hold on, don’t send that out, it’s pretty sh1t.’.

    I can’t really explain it.

  170. Woo hoo hoo hoo. This idea im Stavers makes me laugh. Ludicrous. To be fair to batty, he gets some stick but comes back with a bit of wit which others fail to do. Well done batty, Youre a likeable fool. Stardust is just a fool.

  171. I haven’t seen any of the generic ones either Paul – I am not signed up to them.

    Often omissions in such emails are as important as whats in them – if you get a chance – and haven’t deleted them – if you could post them it’d be appreciated. Cheers

  172. Stardust, i didnt mention you by name, just proves what a pretentious tosser you are to assume i was referring to you, you bored the tits off everyone on eds blog and nothings changed.

  173. You see I can at least relate to what NorthernPaul is saying, and I think he’s made a load of good points. If people had to tell the lads from NUST some home truths then it might be uncomfortable, but then that would imply they weren’t aware of their issues and failings. They are fans trying to get and keep something going. They aren’t PR experts for a start. But are those really reasons to rip them to shreds?

    worky – we find out about the businesses involved on Friday, according to that interview.

    Stardust – you see most of the emails that are sent because one of us is normally writing about the releases, or we link it to in another article. And the emails are essentially just statements or releases at the moment.

  174. Whumpie, theres nowt wrong with Luddites, if they had had there way we wouldn’t have a dying planet. Or a Sports Direct for that matter either.

  175. You didnt need to BigBadBob (wooooooo scarey)

    You follow me everywhere and have a go – but if your too cowardly to admit you were having a go so be it – be off with you.

    Pampers anyone?

  176. Bowburn,
    there are enough reasons to ‘rip them to shreads’ mate.
    But not using a spell checker or dikshunree when sending out official emails says a lot about half-bakedness, doesn’t it?

  177. Does anyone think we will ever be UNITED as a club?

    I’m bored of talking about everything but football.

    Nobody has the facts so nobody can take the high ground, wait and see.

    Game tomorrow by the way!

  178. I see that CH is confident about getting 3 new players in during the window. Deja Vu or Ennui, personally I just can’t be bothered.

  179. This is def. one of the longest and the best of craic blogs yet, some clever and funny stuff.
    Must have cought everyone in good humor.

    BBM
    Think you have taken on a lost cause and dont know how to get out of it.

    Stardy
    Get enough attention ?

    Bobby Shafto
    Still laughing !

    Wheel tappers & shunters
    Funny !

  180. Bobby Shinton number 9 says:
    January 12, 2010 at 3:52 pm
    Woo hoo hoo hoo. This idea im Stavers makes me laugh. Ludicrous. To be fair to batty, he gets some stick but comes back with a bit of wit which others fail to do. Well done batty, Youre a likeable fool. Stardust is just a fool.
    <<<< thats got too be u troy ur off y heed man lol

  181. Just Been Talkin’ To Micky and Owl Heed on the blower…Troy’s just delivered a shipment of toot from Benwell to Caesars Palace so Mikey is oot to get Mashed the neet like on the strip with the posse.

    Asked him how much he had made on the roulette reckoned him and Owl Heed have blasted a cool £1m every night so far and are proper largin’ it like :)

    Asked him if oot was gannin doon in the transfer market he said “Aye tell Nolan to pack his suitcase I am selling him to sunderland”.

  182. Stuart,
    Yes, me too, that’s right & aye howay!

    bbm,
    Aye mate, they’ve missed a trick there, especially when they need to come across as ‘together’.
    Sad.

  183. does anybody remember a derby game between newcastle and sunderland,when jackie charlton was commentating?
    he kept on calling marco gabbiadini the laird gubbridooni?.

  184. Stardust: I’ve just checked, but unfortunately I’ve deleted them all.

    Worky: The people with money I’ve always assumed they had on board to provide the big bucks. I see your point though, looking at it I’m not sure they’ve ever said that they have these sort of people.

    I’ll keep an open mind about it all, I’d really like to see some facts though.

  185. I see several people claim the club only have 50 million in revenue. Wouldn’t they make 50 million from gate receipts alone in a year? How much does an average ticket cost?

  186. NorthernPaul – like what you’re saying; agree with all of it.

    Just one point, though.

    If 99% of geordies don’t contribute as you suggest (I don’t blame ’em) that still leaves about 50,000 people who will, producing at least 75 million quid, even if nobody goes in with more than the minimum investment.

    Won’t happen (I think NUST will end up with a shareholding, no more) but it’s an interesting thought!

  187. Stardust just wondered are you totally against the Fans owning the club in general or is it just NUST. and no im not fishing today :)

  188. If you use 50 quid as the average ticket price (does St. James’s have corporate boxes? If so that brings the average up) and 50,000 per match, then the club pulls in 2.5 million per match. With 23 home league matches, plus a few cup matches (not to mention preseason) it stands to reason that NUFC can make 60-70 million this season on gate receipts alone. Game days yield more, as food and beverage sales also are significant, and didn’t I hear something about how Ashley has now monopolized food sales outside the park?

    Say the revenue is 75 million from home matches. The club are also receiving parachute payments from their relegation, plus TV money from the Football League, plus sponsorship money (they still have a shirt sponsor), plus revenue from apparel… I think the revenues for this club are closer to 200 million for the season.

  189. No way Cashley is making 7mill per month from what i hear the club is no longer running at massive losses as it has been but no way is it making massive profits, statements like that from NUST will lose it all credibility i think we as fans have had our fill of boardroom bull.

  190. Free Scoring Smudge says:
    January 12, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    “I see several people claim the club only have 50 million in revenue. Wouldn’t they make 50 million from gate receipts alone in a year? How much does an average ticket cost?”

    FSS, when Newcastle United were in the Premier League, and SJP was full every week, total matchday income was just over £30 million a season. Matchday income from this season will be the lowest for quite a few years.

  191. Well minimal research has shown that the TV revenues will be less than 2 million and the parachute payments are 11 million a season. In that case, the revenue is much closer to 100 million…

  192. Every one going about gate receipts for the season ie.50,000 attendance must make matchday income so&so how ever how many season ticket holders are there that income came in the summer not per game

  193. “Free Scoring Smudge says:
    January 12, 2010 at 5:58 pm
    Well minimal research”

    Obviously it was minimal – looks like another NUST fool posting on the blog – Welcome aboard Smudge – every ship has rats.

    Be off with you.

  194. free scoring smudge:
    including the parachute payment the tv money will be 13 or 14m as we do get on tv a lot so that should push it up a little.
    the match day income has typically been 1/3 of income so figures will be down 20-25m is a reasonable guess
    the loss of the prem tv money is huge as that was a third of income and the corporate section has likely taken a nasty hit too so a reasonable guess for income is 50-60m this season outgoings include wages at a guess of 40m for all staff plus other costs

  195. What ever the truth lads we will find out in about a month when the club releases the accounts for the last financial year.

  196. Big Dave “Stardust just wondered are you totally against the Fans owning the club in general or is it just NUST.”

    No not really – but these things tend to work out better when everyone has experience of them. for example we have no history of self governance and temperance.

    I am against NUST as they were formed in rage and to this day have not calmed down, nor do they seek to present a United front – they attack the current board at every occasion and make us all look stupid and cause discord when there should be harmony – and we are top of the league – why do they do this? An agenda perhaps? Or pure hatred – either is not healthy.

    In addition there were far better ways to raise money by a Collective outside of Collective Investment Schemes – that would be cheap to run and perfectly suited to a trust type governance.

    The fact theyve gone down the CIS route is a worrying sign. Ridiculously expensive to run and govern and NOT in the slightest in our interest or real aims – that is if their aims are football related!

  197. Big Dave – I dont think the question of fan ownership is a complete non starter. I just think that it needs to be done properly and well thought out. If the appropriate plans were in place, including plans to take the club forward in the medium-long term, then i dont think the NUST would be viewed as half as bad.

    At the minute though it just seems as though they want ownership and if they get that they will just stumble along until they reach the next hurdle. As i’ve said on the last NUST thread, fair play to them for trying but they are pushing boundaries and stating facts that even i wouldnt do! I cant remeber who said it earlier, but i agree whne they said at the minute its a PR dream for Mike Ashley.

  198. Stardust: Are you that happily paranoid? I assume most NUST members actually live in England, which I do not.

  199. Free Scoring Smudge says: Stardust: Are you that happily paranoid? no mate after Cashleys antics we all are

  200. I really can’t see how critisizing Ashley even helps NUST. He consistantly does enough to infuriate the fan base as it is. We’ll see what happens during this transfer window.

  201. Smudge “I assume most NUST members actually live in England, which I do not.”

    So not all then – so some do live outside of England.

    Bravo – any more interesting snippets – youre obviously very clued up and connected?

  202. OMG,
    i know most people take issue with ashley, fair enough, i guess.
    But, for a guy that barely says a word to the press, or anyone for that matter, is virtually recluse, & has almost nowt to do with the day to day running of the club, he’s become some kinda pariah on a level unheard of.
    We do seem to get a bit OTT about what he’s done/not done, said/not said.
    F*** knows where the real truth begins & ends.

    Observation not critisism.

  203. Stardust: My connections to Newcastle are solely over the internet.

    barton: Of course you can’t help but be paranoid, what with selling not only James Milner but Abdoulaye Faye at the end of last year’s transfer window. The latter would have kept us up with out a doubt.

  204. Aye aye radgies!!!

    Hoo lads, ave just been roond Big Micks man, woo hoo hoo hoo, he is howling at ye’s like!

    Cannit tell ye’s where he lives like, he’ll gan off it man!

    Here, he says to is the smorning,

    “HERE TROY, A KNA YE WINNIT SAY NOWT LIKE, COS YA PURE RADGEY, OFF YA HEED AN AAL THAT”

    Cush bloke like Big Mick, but he gans aal serious on is man.

    “BUT DIVVENT LEDDIS DOON MIND! YI KNA A LOVE ME BAIRNS AND WOR LASS, AND IF YE TELT THE LIKES OF BATTY WHERE A LIVE, HE’LL BE ROOND HERE CADGING TOOT OFF IS AAL THE TIME MAN”

    “A DIVVENT MIND STARDUST COMING ROOND COS HE’S PALS WI WOR LASS AND THAT, YI KNA, AND HE TEKS THE DOG OOT DOON THE PARK AND PICKS UP IT’S CRAP, BUT HE NEVER ASKS FOR NEE TOOT, IN FACT A RECKON HE PROBABLY DEALS EESEL YI KNA. ANYWAYS, AS A WAS SAYING, THAT BATTY SOONDS A REET CHARVER, NOT LIKE ME AND YE YI KNA TROY”.

    A tell yi’s lads, a had a tear in me eye.

    He even noticed anaal, he says,

    “HERE TROY, IS THAT YE CRYING LIKE? AAL KNOCK YOU OOT MAN IF YI CRY IN FRONT O ME BAIRNS MAN”

    Pure sweet that like, heard nowt like it since wor sis was put away for prossying and her last words before she went away were,

    “HERE TROY, YI BEDDER LOOK AFTER ME PLANTS LIKE, I DIVVENT TRUST NEE ONE ELSE AND DIVVENT SMOKE THEM AAL OR I’LL HOWK YI”

    A reckkon wor sis and Big Mick must be related in someway like, cos they’ve got hearts of gold and they’re both fat as f**k.

    Anyways, laters lads, and divvent get upset by the lack of transfers man. Big Mick is gettin his tattoo on his shin, the toon badge, the morro and he says he’s ganna buy a few players after that like.

    Godda love his honesty like.

    Laters!!!!!

  205. Troy, that avatar of yours is half a Megabyte, and it slows down the page for all users. Could you please stop reuploading every time it is modified or taken down, otherwise I will have to stop everyone from uploading them.

  206. Troy you may go with him to hold his hand the shin is a real sore place to get tattooed on lol. Fck I wish I was doing it for him I would go real easy on him ;)

  207. Who wants an argument, a civil one, about the NUST.

    I just wish you would use common sense instead of listening to the drivel Stardust spouts.

    The top and bottom of it is, NO money has exchanged hands at this stage. They are canvassing views to find out if fans would be interested and are working on pledges.

    They have stated that plans will be in place by the time they ask people to invest.

    They will explain all the pitfalls at that time and all you have to do is make an informed decision.

    Stardust twists things round, about targeting the vulnerable. Where has he got that nonsense from? No one has even handed a penny over.

    He is filled with bitter hatred for the common fan, which he actually aspires to be, cos he doesnt even go to the matches.

    Now that is a FACT cos I know him.

  208. i,m not against fans owning the club,but spain has nearly always been socialist so running their club as a collective comes easier to them.
    will this type of ownership work for us in a capitalist country?just a thought,right i,ll go and get my crash helmet ready.

  209. How Bob,
    you’ve gotta admit that their spiel comes across as a bit naive mate.
    Which doesn’t help their cause & probably puts off a few & plays into the hands of the skeptics & nay sayers.
    Not an auspicious start.
    First impressions last, ‘n all that.

  210. Trojan,
    not having a go mate, but,
    we have a very strong socialist history in this country.
    In fact stronger than in spain.
    But i’ll grant ya’ that since franco spain has edged further towards socialism in recent times.

  211. too right clint ne sayers involved,what happens if you are late with your pledge money,only kidding.

  212. TROJAN – Same as you mate. Im not against fan ownership at all but there is clearly a reason why it’s ‘not the done thing’ over here regardless of NUST or not.

    I say fair play for trying and all that, but i also see Stardusts point about not having a credible plan in place to go forwards with in the event they do pull it off and buy the club. If they did it would just seem like the NUST would lurch from one disaster to another “learning as they go” to use their own words. We already know how dangerous that can be, just look where it got us with Mike Ashley!

    I think when the accounts become published and available, both the NUST and fans will see what the playing field is like.

  213. @ClintFlick

    Yes, some of their actions and words have been naive and to be brutally honest I don’t think they will make it. However, they openly admitted from the outset they were new to this and would learn as they went on. Their intention is to encourage the right expertise to unite with them and amazingly, they have lasted a lot longer than we originally thought.

    Hopefully, with the next stage, more influential people will join and steer them in the right direction.

    I just can’t abide these know alls, who twist and turn the truth to suit their own needs and don’t give the people who have the right motives a chance to progress.

    Once it gets to the stage where they lay their plans on the table, then you can make an informed decision whether to invest or not.

    I can’t make it any clearer than that.

  214. Yes, some of their actions and words have been naive and to be brutally honest I don’t think they will make it. However, they openly admitted from the outset they were new to this and would learn as they went on.

    ….

    Are you on about NUST or Ashley, Bobby?

  215. the way i see it is for the last eighteen month,as fans we have been at loggerheads over ashley,keegan etc,and we,re proposing to run a football club together.
    we can,t even agree on anything as fans,would this not be a monumental balls up?.

  216. TROJAN 69 says:
    January 12, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    “i,m not against fans owning the club,but spain has nearly always been socialist”

    Trojan, they were a Fascist dictatorship until the mid seventies.

  217. TROJAN 69 > we can,t even agree on anything as fans,would this not be a monumental balls up?.

    Lol and can you imagine what it would be like if we had problems we wouldnt be able to blame anyone else :)

  218. recent times worky they lean more to the left,but the point is worky,i dont think it will work here though.
    we cannot agree on anything as fans.

  219. TROJAN 69 says:
    January 12, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Aye, I know what you mean about Spain, Trojan. The greatest forces on Spanish politics are reflected in the mirror of their two greatest teams, Royal Madrid and Barcelona CF.

  220. what happen,s if we were struggling in the league,what will i sing to myself i a sort of keep myself fit not that fat geordie b***rd get out of the club.

  221. does anyone know what the full sp is on running the club in this way,for instance what sort of people stand for election as president,can anyone stand?is it just money men?

  222. Coventry are winning 1-0 at moment, cracking goal by Best, luv to see us get him rather than Beckford, three years younger as well.
    Pompeys sponsors are called “Jobsite” that struck me as funny in an ironic way, as many of them might be looking for new jobs soon. The commentator also pointed out the mass of scouts in the stand just behind Avram saying they looked like a pack (herd, flock, flange whatever) of Vultures all set to pick the Portsmouth carcase.

  223. Out of interest I wonder how they think Ashley has gone about taking money out of the club? As he can’t just transfer money from the clubs account into his own.

    He can’t take dividends out of the club as the club doesn’t have any net assets.

    He could make himself chairman and pay himself a wage.

    He could charge the club interest on the loan he gave us or he could also refinance the loan so we as a club would owe Barclays for example the money instead and Ashley gets his original loan back, that wouldn’t make much sense whether he keeps hold of the club or not.

  224. Here`s next seasons side.

    First the outa here`s,
    Smith 4m
    Nolan 4m
    Jonas 4.5m.
    Shola 4.5m
    Carroll 3.5m
    R.Taylor 1m.
    Guthrie 1m
    Butt Free
    Geremi free

    Keepers
    Colo
    Kadar
    Harper
    Krul
    Taylor
    Enrique
    Ranger

    Ins
    Onuoha 6m Man C.
    O`Hara 4.5m Spurs
    Johnson 6m man c.
    McGeady 6m Celt`s.
    Coleman 1m Everton
    Moses 5m Palace
    Best 1.5 Coventry

    ________Harper_______
    Onuoha Taylor Colo Enrique
    _____ O`hara ______
    Coleman _______ Mcgeady
    _____ Johnson _____
    Moses____Best

    New team of youngsters for 7.5m.
    That plus our kids and a coupla decent loaners, safe !

  225. Bobby,
    fair comment man,
    It will be interesting if they get to the point of laying their plan on the table for all to see.
    I’m all ears/eyes.

    ashley has ‘business sense’ but sadly not football business sense. But have nust got either?

  226. TROJAN 69 says:
    January 12, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    “does anyone know what the full sp is on running the club in this way,for instance what sort of people stand for election as president,can anyone stand?is it just money men?”

    Different kinds of people I suppose, Trojan, but lawyers seem to thrive at this field quite alot, people in media, good communicators. It’s like politics with balls!

  227. £7m profit a month is complete and utter nonsense.
    He was trying to sell the club for £100m and nobody wanted it, yet it’s making that amount in under 15 months?

    Bollocks.

  228. niallrick says:
    January 13, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    “£7m profit a month is complete and utter nonsense.
    He was trying to sell the club for £100m and nobody wanted it, yet it’s making that amount in under 15 months?

    Bollocks.”

    And now they’ve published George Caulkin’s article, saying that they only want to buy a part of the club after all, and not all of it as they’ve said ever since the start of the campaign. It’s comletely inconsistent and makes no sense.

  229. Worky

    “And now they’ve published George Caulkin’s article, saying that they only want to buy a part of the club after all, and not all of it as they’ve said ever since the start of the campaign. It’s comletely inconsistent and makes no sense.”

    To be fair thats a good debate in itself and may encourage them to clarify their position – worth and article.

    Could have been leaked as a face saver to be back referred to at a certain point in the future – or am I giving them too much credibility.

  230. Bobby Shinton, dwarf star doesn’t go to matches! You mean he isn’t a real supporter, l am so shocked.
    As you say the logical thing to do is wait for the NUST plans to be published, until then anyone with an ounce of sense should patient and non-judgemental,although that’s an impossible ask from some of the bloggers on here.

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