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A tale of two halves for Newcastle’s Andy Carroll?

Posted on February 8th, 2010 | 224 Comments |

Back down to earth with a bump!
Back down to earth with a bump!
Newcastle’s Andy Carroll demonstrated his no-nonsense approach and was a handful all night for his opponents, who suffered from the striker’s ability in the air. With flailing elbows and brute force, the opposition was left nursing their wounds as Carroll strolled off triumphantly.

With an early brace to his name and having picked up the MOTM award…ah hang on, I’m getting my evenings confused, this isn’t a match report is it…

News coming in that Andy Carroll has been charged with assault following the ‘incident’ in Blu Bambu back in December. The striker is accused of attacking a bloke and though the various rumours differ in their descriptions, it’s always remained likely that he’d be getting charged for something. Whether it was handbags after cocktails or something a bit more serious should become clear fairly soon.

Carroll will face magistrates in Newcastle later this month, due in court on the 25th, sandwiched between important games against Reading and Watford. Regards seem to vary on Carroll’s character but even those who remained critical of his arrogant and bullish demeanour, hoped he would toe-the-line for the good of the club if not for himself.

Following an impressive display against Cardiff, this is just the sort of news you expect from Newcastle United, to keep everyone’s feet firmly on the ground. We can only hope that justice is served but should the worst happen, hope lingers that it won’t affect our season too badly.

More bad press for the town? So what else is new…

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224 Responses

  1. Its sad for everyone involved with our club. I am not sure why these guys behaves like this (If really Andy is at fault). In normal circumstances one can still get away with such things. But being a football player, there are various reasons why people simply won’t let you move on.

  2. Sahota – you dont get charged with assault unless it is your fault – otherwise its self defence (unless your Steven Gerrard that is)

    Anyone know what level of assault he has been charged with?

  3. Why these guys behave like this? Because they’re human… and prone to a hell of lot more verbal abuse given their public status. Mix that with being young, fit (physically…) and full to bursting with aggression.

    Unlike Barton, I really think Carroll is the type that will mature out of this behaviour and learn to harness that aggression on the pitch instead. (Like Rooney – ability notwithstanding.)

    Hope this helps to smarten him up.

  4. Stardust – can you explain more this idea of not getting charged unless it is your fault? Surely the point of the court case is to find out?

    Anyway, I agree with Side75; I don’t think Carroll is another Barton. He’s been a tool and now he’s going to pay for it.

    For me, if you’re being paid to be an athlete you should be sober throughout the season or face contractual penalties. None of our team should be out on the town during season unless it’s with the team in an outing sponsored by the club. If that sounds harsh, ask your self why you don’t see any of the GB olympic team touching a drop.

  5. Understand what you’re saying Whumpie but the current standards for charging via CPS pretty much mean a case when charged is nailed on – this was in response to governmental pressure to increase to conviction rate.

    Thats the reason you often see assaults dumbed down to a minor level to get the accused’s “guilty” admission. otherwise the consequence of serious assault charges are lengthy and expensive trials – that have little to do with the truth and more to do with a series of obscure laws where the jury might only hear 50-60% of the evidence.

    Even then with trials – because juries only hear a small proportion of the evidence – you end up with an unacceptable amount of people evading justice.

  6. Whumpie, agree with your first question, once again someone is pretending to be an expert.
    Charged is the same as information laid in that it has been decided that there is a case to answer, in other words witnesses have given enough info to begin a court case.
    This is just the beginning though, fault is not determined until an admission or finding of guilt.
    We will have to wait but if we slate the lad before hand without knowing the full facts, its bang out of order.

  7. Stardust, what a load of tripe, decisions are made on written statements of evidence which when tested in court is considerably different for a number of reasons, nailed on, i think not.

  8. BBB- though I appreciate the sentiments of what you’ve said – you have just shown in you statements you have no experience.

    You have a layman’s view of things – probably from experience on the wrong side more than 5 years ago – you’re out of date.

  9. Whumpie @7 says

    He’s been a tool and now he’s going to pay for it.

    Brilliant, I think that should be Hughton’s mantra from now on too.

  10. * should have read – “no recent/current experience” I could elaborate on the misuse of CPIA by defence teams etc but there’s no point with BBB – he makes his mind up every time I type that Im wrong – and progressively make himself look a little bit more silly.

  11. Incidentally, he’s not right about it being nailed-on but from what I’ve been told about it, the numbers that lead to some sort of conviction would otherwise suggest that.

  12. Stardust, i have a lot of legal experience from the right side of the law, 30yrs plus, and from your post at 10, you have confirmed that you have very little.
    Evidence is only put before a court or jury if it has been obtained in accordance with PACE and the Magistrates Courts Act, even then if it is discredited by cross examination or by legal submission it will be disregarded, so you saying that only a proportion of evidence is heard is bullshit.
    The time to criticise Andy Carroll is if and when he is convicted and not before.

  13. But I doubt he’ll get that to be honest. First offence, mitigating circumstances etc etc. Probably just have to pay damages and a fine.

  14. Stardust…. how does it feel to be an expert on everything?

    Could it have been you with your superior knowledege of everything that advised Goldsmith to revise his opinion on the legality or otherwise of the Iraq invasion?!

    Could it have been Blair that referred to your superior counsel prior to and during Chilcot?

    And… thanks for the offer of the free tickets to the premier of your biopic but can you do anything to get different seats oh, and is there an invite to the post-premier party with al the ‘A listers’?

  15. BBB – however you served your time your comments show youve performed very little recent file work.

    Your comments show how far out of touch you really are. PACE came in in 1984 and has been updated throughout that period.

    Tell me – was your service pre or post CPIA? Who were responsible for charging in your day – the custody officer or CPS?

    I suggest your service is pre CPIA and you have very little experience of serious category crime OR you did nothing when you were there- i.e. a pusher of pens.

  16. Only speaking within the confines of my expertise Lesh – even though BBB hates me for it lol.

    And your request for a seat change has been refused – we have rigged up a hidden camera – its direct at your seat – we will submit the results to the national gurning competitions.

  17. Stardust – ta for the clarification. I take your point, but as someone married to the person who used to be called out at 2am to go and defend the toe-rags who’d been dragged in by Oxfordshire police when a car got twocced, I think the phrase ‘nailed on’ is a bit too complimentary of HM Police’s ability to avoid cocking up.

    A lot of the time you’ll find they’ll drag in the most convenient person to arrest rather than the culprit, and very rarely do they actually have as strong a case as they think before it goes to court. The number of times she’s seen trains driven through the holes in their assumptions is quite depressing.

    All that said, I do get your point – but to assume he’s guilty is up there with your assertion that it’s ok to buy from sweat shop factories because it helps their local economies. Basically at odds with every founding principle of western civilisation.

    Or, to slacken off on the hyperbole… I disagree a bit.

  18. Whumpie – agree with your sentiments re low level criminality – Twoc etc

    This case would have been dealt with by CID as its Serious Category Crime therefore the low level investigation errors arent prone as there are measures in palce to prevent it.

    A glassing would in layman’s terms most likely be Sec 18 as the striking of someone with a glass has to result in serious harm unless it was a lash out and the glass happened to be in hand – today even when someone breaks a glass and lashes out Sec 20 charges are common – thereon lies the dumbed down aspect of the charge – but no doubt BBB will be on disagreeing again lol.

  19. By the way – in the defence of Big Andy:

    1. What recent form! Crude, but getting the results; exactly what you want from a youngun. Finesse will come later.

    2. His volley against West Brom was top drawer. Finesse occassionally happens now.

    I think he’s a goodun in the making and will shine now we have our midfield attack sorted.

    Let’s hope nothing nasty comes out of this court case and that he’s let off with a caution for being in tacky bars, while the ‘victim’ is proven to be equally at fault and the whole thing not worthy of court time.

    Optimist, me.

  20. Let’s hoping it turns out to be nowt more than a lash-out or an arm up in defence or summat. Nobody badly hurt, so we can hope that’s all it is.

    He’s still been a nob for being there – but can any of us claim to have had any sense at that age?

  21. Lesh – BBB will be pee’d off I won the gurning champs too lol.

    Expect a rant any second “thats not startdust” lol

  22. Stardust, i dont know you so cant hate you, i will say that i view you as a bully and an attention seeker, my personal circumstances are not up for discussion.
    You can use terminology which you have picked up as probably a legal admin wallah to appear knowledgeable to others but im not fooled by it one bit, you are offering and expert opinion on the law on the basis of limited experience of the system and it shows.

  23. Aye Hitman – with the current charging guidelines you might even see a real 18 – charged as a 20 and a plea accepted at 47 or even! Thats how bad things are in relation to the pursuit of statistics.

    Your 18 charge and Section 20 plea is all about the sentence – up to Life for an 18 and 5 years for a 20!

    Suppose I am wrong again BBB.

  24. Difference between 18 and 20 is intent basically. Either way, to get anymore than 6 months it would have to be adjourned to crown court, and that will take time etc etc.

  25. Stardust, you are in a big hole and still digging.
    The injury determines the charge not the glass, im done with arguing with you as you have yet again dominated a thread with your crap.

  26. hitman – for abh, aye! “you must control your behaviour in future blah blah, young, life ahead of you blah blah”

    Sorry, reliving my ABH a few years back! Glady Im reformed and calm now ;)

  27. Stardust says:
    February 8, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Do you mean ‘nailled on’ as in the women who assisted her daughters suicide? CPS brought prosecutions on her and it was laughed out of court in record time.

  28. I do know BBB is right about the injury thing. I had a conversation about that a week ago.

    Like the lads seem to be suggesting, with my admittedly limited knowledge, the court it’s being heard in suggests, this is going through the motions because of the status of the assailant.

  29. LOL BBB – where did I advocate the level of injury didnt – all the reports were that it was a glassing! Therefore the intent is the key point for sec 20 /18 debate as the injury can be the same for both THE INTENT BEING THE KEY POINT NOT THE INJURY – YOUVE SHOWN YOUR A COMMON ASSAULT MAN – A PUSHER OF PENS – A NO MARK.

    Its apparent its an insignificant injury – akin to a broken nose, minor cut etc – like I say on every thread you follow me and look rather foolish and rankled by my existence – I wouldnt have to explain simple things to you if you didnt feel so insecure and full of hate.

    Please feel free to ignore me in future and I you – thereon the blog wont get cluttered by your insecurities.

  30. BBM – BBM was incorrect in its context – ie SEC 20 v 18 – INTENT is the only difference – thereon the sentence.

    Generally speaking of course injury dictates BUT we werent speaking generally.

  31. Hopefully for Carroll it will remain in the Magistrates Court and they wont defer it to Crown either for trial if he pleads Not Guilty or if he pleads Guilty and they send it to Crown for sentence as they deem it too serious and out of their remit of sentencing.

  32. BBB,have been saying weeks he knows everything (stardust) does my bloody head in,dont even read his posts just flash past them,or go to another blog,till he goes.nobody is allowed a debate he just trys to bully you

  33. 41 Stuart79 says:
    February 8, 2010 at 1:15 pm
    Stardust says:
    February 8, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Do you mean ‘nailled on’ as in the women who assisted her daughters suicide? CPS brought prosecutions on her and it was laughed out of court in record time.

    I’ll ask again…

  34. Don’t they go straight to Crown if it’s as serious as one of the charges you’re talking about?

    I did hear that he would “do some time” from someone who I generally don’t regard as a bullsh*tter but of course he could have just been given duff info.

  35. bowburnmag says:
    February 8, 2010 at 1:29 pm
    Don’t they go straight to Crown if it’s as serious as one of the charges you’re talking about?
    <<<< nope even murderers go magistates 1st bow

  36. lol Stuart – another debate entirely.

    I always find it astounding how the hissyftters and kneejerkers – shout first and the loudest, and are generally the most insulting and then when someone raises to them and gives it back they cry like little babies!

  37. icedog says:
    February 8, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    BBB,have been saying weeks he knows everything (stardust) does my bloody head in,dont even read his posts just flash past them,or go to another blog,till he goes.nobody is allowed a debate he just trys to bully you
    <<<<< iam with u dog he,s always bullying me

  38. Ah right, I misinterpreted what the lass was saying. I was speaking to someone ‘in the know’ on law matters and she said you’d know how serious it was if it hit Crown Court. I guess that implies it has to get there first but via Magistrates.

    The ‘other source’ seemed adamant that it had all been a bit naughty but it’s all theory at the minute. I’m sure there may be video evidence that will decide his fate quite quickly.

  39. Forest away at Cov
    West Brom home to Scunny

    Looks like we’ll need 3 points tomorrow to maintain our gap!

  40. bowburnmag says:
    February 8, 2010 at 1:36 pm
    Ah right, I misinterpreted what the lass was saying. I was speaking to someone ‘in the know’ on law matters and she said you’d know how serious it was if it hit Crown Court. I guess that implies it has to get there first but via Magistrates.

    The ‘other source’ seemed adamant that it had all been a bit naughty but it’s all theory at the minute. I’m sure there may be video evidence that will decide his fate quite quickly.<<< think u might be right aboot video evidence m8

  41. Has this blog changed to Question Time?

    What happened to the footie talk?

    Although this is sometimes better as some on here know nowt about footie.

  42. Stardust – I guess it depends on the evidence?

    I’m understanding, in layman’s terms, if there was a glass involved…

    And it’s proved he was provoked or attacked, and defended himself with the glass, then he’s potentially still in a lot of bother. Particularly if looked like he meant it?

    And if it turns out he’s had a go without being duly threatened, and there’s a glass involved then he’s in all kinds of bother.

    If there’s no glass involved –

    Fistycuffs is unlikely to lead to anything more than picking up litter, like Mr B. Unless there’s a sustained attack (whereby he carries on stamping on him etc) and then again he’s probably in plenty of bother? But I wouldn’t have thought he would have got away with giving someone a proper hiding in a nightclub?

    Just for us law thickos like…

  43. stardust when are you up for stalking mike ashley ,think you should expect a few years in a mental institution for that charge m8

  44. icedog says:
    February 8, 2010 at 1:44 pm
    BATTY,are you going on hols 10april,any where nice?
    12th m8 hopefully unles its wen me lad comes back on his 2 weeks break

  45. was it a full glass or an empty glass, or was it in fact a half full/empty glass. My point being, when I actually work out what I am saying. Is he more guilty of stupidity for wasting the beverage, I assume it wasn’t alchohol as he presumably wouldn’t be drinking during the season. Also it may just be he was raising the glass to his mouth a little to vigorously and accidently caught the other party. We cannot pass judgement till we know all of the facts. To be honest, so long as the other party isn’t seriously injured, I couldn’t give a damn Scarlett, so long as Andy keeps banging in the goals for us.

  46. lol Batty – not sure I will ever get found out for stalking him Batty – I’m hiding underneath his pot belly – bit smelly though and his belly button fluff keeps landing on my nose – Im sure I am gonna sneeze and give the game away.

    BBM – too much to debate there mate – you can actually even kill someone in self defence and not even be charged. BBB if you try and discredit me here I will cite you a local example.

  47. Whatever happens/happened,
    NUFC should implement a ‘Not playing ’til your court case is over’ rule.
    He’s dragging us back through the shit, just when all that crap was ‘just’ starting to blow over-Thanx Andy.
    Sick of this type of crap taking away from the reason we’re here (NUFC). He’s well old enough to know better.
    Grow up lad-FAST!

  48. bowburnmag says:
    February 8, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    “I was speaking to someone ‘in the know’ on law matters and she said you’d know how serious it was if it hit Crown Court. I guess that implies it has to get there first but via Magistrates.”

    She’s right roughly. If it looks like a serious “custodial” semtence could be involved if the party is found guilty, then it’s referred to a Judge and Jury.

  49. He’s put a few in the net at champ-level, he ain’t no Shearer just yet, may never be. So, he should be watching his step, on the pitch, at training & on the street.

  50. CLiNT – He is only young, I know it’s not an excuse but it must be a massive difference between you or I going out when we were his age, and him going out. As I’ve said above, I’ve been in bother before but I’ve grown out of it.

  51. worky – I guess that makes sense, just often the jargon throws me. I wouldn’t care I went out with a few law students. We didn’t do much talking about law though…

    wink wink

    (I think I’ve got summat in my eye)

  52. question for you all if carrol pleads not guilty ,and you were in the jury would u go on the evidence or would u find him not guilty ? and be truthful with me

  53. toonsy – a legal beagle is a canine who gives evidence in court. Snoopy was once a legal beagle I believe.

  54. Stardust, i dont and wont ever need any advice or examples from you, you have no credibility and talk shite.
    S3 Criminal Law Act 1967 – Definition of Self Defence.

    We have gone on and on because you had Andy Carrol guilty before the facts have been established, who knows what has actually happened and an expert like yourself should know better than to presume guilt.

  55. Evidence.

    Otherwise we may as well live in a lawless society where Dusty sold his body to the highest bidder and chocolate limes were actually considered a natural combination.

    That would be a moral compass gone haywire.

  56. toonsy,
    the lad has a bairn, plays for NUFC, no doubt has a misses.
    His excuse is getting slimmer.
    I know what y’saying, but were you in that position at his age getting in trouble with the law.
    If you’re ganner break the law, do some thing worth while FFS.
    “Trash a bank if you got real balls”. Jello Biafra.

  57. On a different note did anyone see the video on the previous blog of the Faroese game and did you also see that Faroese player calling one of the Russians a wonker. A bit amusing.

  58. Batty – look at Steven Gerrard! How on earth they ever allowed a trial in Liverpool Crown I will never get over it.

    Im not sure how anyone who saw that video came to a different conclusion – but judges summings up confuse the inexperienced – that combined with the location of trial got SG a NG verdict.

  59. CLiNT – Yes I was in trouble at his age, amongst driving convictions, abh, affray and being caught in possesion.

    My point is what he has done is hardly a crime, from what we know, but everyone deserves a second chance. It would be different if he was wielding an axe around the pub etc etc, but a little fisticuffs is bugger all, and we don’t know the full extent such as any provocation etc.

    That’s what I said not guilty when batty asked the question. I’d feel a bit like I was giving double standards calling him guilty when I’ve done, and got away with pretty much, more in the past.

    Im not proud of it, I’m also not a thug. It’s just things I got caught up in when I was a youth. I’ve come out the other side stronger for it and not been in trouble since, bu only because I got given a chance to sort myself out, by myself.

  60. The chronical is on about Carol catching Capello’s eye.

    a) Capello should know better Carol’s married and b) Carol should know better by now especially if he wants an England call up under the current boss.

    I agree with those of you who say age is no longer an excuse. It’s not. He’s got to stand up and get himself sorted before he can start to become the legend we all want him to become.

  61. on carrol,i would ignore the evd from the cops,lying (bast)listen to other evd,make my mind up from there

  62. gerrard was ‘bang to rights’, how did he get off with it?
    Playing for liverpool/england & all his media friends keeping it out of the press other than to say what a ‘lovely lad’ he is. Bit different when it comes to of our lot isn’t it?
    Bit like jt’s mates bigging him up right now, or when rooney does something violent.
    Pathetic & totally ‘old pals act’.

  63. This case has and will continue to get alot of media air time.

    Would this not make it a unfair case against him?

    All the papers will have run with this story and there will be lies told and the truth told – But the people who read the papers who make the decisions may be influenzed by something they have read.

    Defendant aquitted!

  64. toonsy, aye mate.

    But, someone that posts on here knows the lad that was the ‘victim’ & has said a few things with regard to this on here.
    Hey, i know it’s all hearsay, but it didn’t sound pretty like.

    Does the lad (Carroll) have a fatha or someone to learn from or what?
    But anyhoo, i’m not saying he’s guilty of anything other than being a complete tit & a stupid bairn that needs to become aware of his position in society.

  65. gerrard,had the cash to hire the best which makes a diff,dont think carroll got that sort of cash unless batty lends him a few quid

  66. ‘Oh Carroll You are but a fool
    Darling I love you, tho you you treat me cruel.

    You hurt me, when you glassed my face
    According to Stardust it’s an open , shut case’!

    Re release by Neil Sedaka – Proceeds going to RVI plastic surgery ward.

  67. Stardust says:
    February 8, 2010 at 11:58 am

    “Thats the reason you often see assaults dumbed down to a minor level to get the accused’s “guilty” admission. otherwise the consequence of serious assault charges are lengthy and expensive trials – that have little to do with the truth and more to do with a series of obscure laws where the jury might only hear 50-60% of the evidence.

    Even then with trials – because juries only hear a small proportion of the evidence – you end up with an unacceptable amount of people evading justice.”

    That’s also the reason why accused people are often pressed into pleading guilty for things they didn’t do with the fear of getting much worse if they don’t. They are if they have poor and have low quality and/or corrupt legal representation that is hand in glove with the CPS anyway. So, you have an unacceptable amount of people copping convictions for things that they didn’t actually do. However the Government are only interested in figures they can put before a stupid and ill informed electorate. Carroll of course will not have this problem though, because he can afford excellent legal representation and hence is entitled to a fair hearing.

  68. Anyhoo,
    wonder how many pens wba will get in their next game, probably just enough to win with.
    Ridiculous.
    Wonder if forest manager will be kicking his opposite no. next up too.
    Friendly.

  69. icedog says:
    February 8, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Carroll needs to get off this one and the best way to do it, is like Gerrard, instruct the best legal brains in the land.

    Gerrard couldn’t get Stardust then and he still got off.

    Under the circumstances and the local connection,, I’m sure that the great man, that razor-like legal brain, that sabre-like wit, Stardust QC would make himself available to any of our players.

    Stardust QC and his junior counsel, Cherie Blair to the rescue!

    What a team to have on your side when things look a bit tricky eh?

  70. Worky – I somewhat agree but that relates in my opinion mainly to the past.

    That was in the days of when the police decided charges -the charge itself could act as a lever for an admission of guilt and the police would often overcharge to put the pressure on.

    Nowadays as the CPS decide the offences charged – so its not really applicable any more as their criteria are simply statistically driven i.e. guilty plea before trial and subjective cases are usually thrown out at that stage.Though I do accept that at any given time government can interfere with that process.

  71. And quick as a flash to my 112, an almost instant demonstration of the law from the great man himself at 113!

  72. Lesh – Stardust QC – I like it – it has a resonance – Private Counsel to the stars one might say lol.

  73. All you gamblers out there:
    Anyone know what odds you can get on ‘the smugness level’ of bob matthews after wba’s next game?
    If he ain’t gone & bust the damn ‘smug-ometer’ yet.

  74. Stardust QC yes, it does chime dunnit!

    May I sugggest that me learned friend (perhaps I call upon his generosity too much) regard himself a friend of the stars rather than Private Counsel…. it’s far more informal and closer to the reality don’t you think?

  75. Blimey, last time I saw a post like this was over another of our bad boys.
    Now you know what to run as threadslines Toonsy, Worky, BBM, Deb.

  76. Poor lil Icedog – comes to something when Stuarts your name lol (do I need to ad an apology after banter in case you think I am picking on you?)

  77. aye aye doylems!
    Hoo man, everything is aalreet with carroll like! Ave had a word wi me solicitor like and he is ganna represent him for nowt. Pure raker solicitor my solicitor like. A was up for murder once and he got it doon to a common assault. And once a was caught red handed with £100k worth of toot but me rep telt the court a found it and was ganna hand it in. The judge gave is a commendation for being honest! Woo hoo hoo hoo! Pure mental me solicitor man.
    Ave put a witness statement in like to the bizzies aboot the attack by carroll. A wasnt there like but a says a saw everything. A made sure that at the start of the statement that a was a top gangster, and am only telling the bizzies information cos andy carroll plays for the toon, so it doesnt count as grassing like!
    Aal carroll did like was pummel the kidda within an inch of his life but he had nee choice like! It was self defence cos he caalded carroll a doylem!
    Anyways radgies, am off noo to buy a new tracksuit for court.
    Toon toon

  78. Sorry IcePuppy – SlushPuppy whatever your name is – waahhhhhhh hoooooo what a mr softie woooo hoooo wahhhhhh

  79. Big Willy says:
    February 8, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    “Blimey, last time I saw a post like this was over another of our bad boys.
    Now you know what to run as threadslines Toonsy, Worky, BBM, Deb.”

    Willy, “bad boys” are up there in terms of generating debate, but they aren’t number one.

  80. Whats up with this blog.
    Quite recently it was taken over by accountants.
    Now here come the lawyers, had`nt realized there were so many beancounters and ambulence chasers on the blog.
    Guess there an abundance of both, but unfortunately few who know shit about football.

  81. Chick – We aren’t all as mighty as you. Besides, any views on football that you curry favour with get dumped on by you with your condascending yeankee doodle ingnorance.

  82. Blimey, my spelling was awful @ 139.

    Chuck, We aren’t all as mighty as you. Besides, any views on football that you don’t curry favour with get dumped on by you and your condascending yankee doodle ignorance.

    There it is edited :D

    P.S, Nothing personal, perhaps it’s just your posting style but you can come across rather rude. End of the day, it’s generated a lot of debate. Perhaps you could put a suggestion as to what we can talk about that’s Newcastle related, and that’s new and hasn’t been covered so far?

  83. Chuck, it doesn’t bother me. In fact it’s helped me out a lot today. I’ve taken all the numbers being mentioned above and managed to get myself a canny bit of scran from the chinese for me tea, later.

  84. Also meant to add, why does everyone take each other so seriously when it comes to proving a point? Anyone can look up anything on the internet and seem like an expert.

    For all we know stardust and bigbadbob could be the same person or they could both be google and wikipedia experts. Or they could both be senior qc’s at an expensive law firm that has “legitimate business men” on their books.
    Who knows?

    Anyway – Andy Carroll he’s a bit of a tw@ isn’t he? No excuses you don’t shove a glass in someones face. Walk away next time fella.

  85. Micky Toon says:
    February 8, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    “For all we know stardust and bigbadbob could be the same person or they could both be google and wikipedia experts. Or they could both be senior qc’s at an expensive law firm that has “legitimate business men” on their books.
    Who knows?”

    I’m not sure if that’s true at all, Micky. There’s a huge difference between having a genuine depth of knowledge on a subject and merely looking something up on a search engine. There is also a huge difference between people who have been taught how to differentiate between good and bad sources and those who haven’t too.

  86. Toonsy, sorry mate but it’s condescending unless the other way is Americanese. I.e armor instead of armour.
    We should never have given them independence, I dunno we throw them a tea party next thing you know they want to try and govern themselves. Total shambles that has been.

    ;)

  87. Micky Toon im 99% sure that BBB is not Stardust, Toonsy your right about chuckie he is allways a barrel of fun he reminds me of Victor Meldrew lol

  88. Micky Toon, Stardy has used various identities in the past but i am not one of them, any of the moderators can confirm this.
    I shouldnt bite at his posts as he is probably a mackem wum, no sane person can produce so much drivel day after day, but he gets the attention he craves and deserves one way or another.

  89. Lads & lasses just remember when judging Carroll he is still only a kid really, and we will never really know what provacation he had to endure, although it still doesnt make what he done right. But we all make mistakes when were young the secret is to learn from them

  90. @Big Willy.

    Just wanted to take the chance to thank you for “giving” us our independence. Not to be ungrateful, but had the ships contained ale instead of tea we may have let you stick around a little longer. :)

  91. Big Willy says:
    February 8, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    “We should never have given them independence”

    You can blame the French for that Willy. Though of course, Americans never give them any credit for it and call them “cheese eating surrender monkeys” nowadays.

  92. Worky – saw Alan Snell at our local club a while ago and one of his jokes was, ” All that money spent on the channel tunnel was wasted, if we had dropped shovels in France in 1944 instead of rifles they would have dug it for nothing!”

  93. TOONSY
    And here I was thinking you only a pretty face and you come up with this interesting article.
    Joking aside some fascinating facts, you were right, I did love it.

  94. WORKEY
    Everyone here is aware of the aid given by the French ‘surrender monkeys’ while kicking your ass in the revolutionary war.

  95. Chuck says:
    February 8, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    “WORKEY
    Everyone here is aware of the aid given by the French ’surrender monkeys’ while kicking your ass in the revolutionary war.”

    Chuck, alot of people in America don’t even know where France is, let alone what role it had to play in the American War of Independence! :-)

    “Victor Meldrew” was a famous English TV character who was known for being a very grumpy old man who moaned alot.

  96. Big Dave says:
    February 8, 2010 at 6:26 pm
    Lads & lasses just remember when judging Carroll he is still only a kid really, and we will never really know what provacation he had to endure, although it still doesnt make what he done right. But we all make mistakes when were young the secret is to learn from them
    ———————————

    Dave the exact story is that after a lass swilled a 5ft9 lad, the lad swilled her back and Carroll threw a glass in his face, cutting around his eye… Looking at it I can tell you it could have been a lot more serious.

    He’s relatively young, though, at 21 I would have thought he could figure that the responsibility of his job would mean that he needs to keep his behaviour in check in public.

  97. WORKEY
    Suppose there`s a lotta truth in that, ignorance has no limit`s.

    And guess you got me pegged, Big Dave.

  98. Andy was the Lass with him or had she anything to do with Carroll or was he just acting the Big Lad ?. oh what exactly is swilled.

    Chuck your welcome ;)

  99. I reckon this guy could become more than a class premier striker. He’s only 21 and still learning and look at the glimpses of quality he;s showing now…..

  100. Dave i’m not sure who the lass was with but swilled basically means, pouring your drink on somebody intentionally… Or spitting it at someone. I say it’s one of the two ’cause i’ve seen somebody do the latter and heard it called that too.

  101. Just wondering… wat would anyones dream team be out of the whole world be?
    Mine would be:

    Given
    S.Taylor Williamson Colo. Enrique

    Nolan
    Routledge Guti

    Guthrie

    Carroll Loven

    Now doesn’t that team sound real class!

  102. GoodOldDays I couldn’t tell you mate because dream teams never play as well as teams that play like a dream! Barca are a top example, i’m glad they’re shatting on Real!

  103. Toonsy, your right that is an interesting article. Looks like we accounted for 10% of the money spent. But I think our days of hilarious spending are over.

    MDS, sorry to say this mate but if it’s decent Ale you want then perhaps we should recolonise you.

    And just ask any French Canadian if General Wolfe is a great British hero.

  104. To be fair though lads, Carroll has only really shown a physical presence up until the Cardiff game, bar maybe a couple of performances. In similar context, we’ve never played a game with a performance as convincing as that since Ipswich, so I hope people don’t suddenly expect Carroll and the whole team to play like that for the rest of the season?

    The enigma that is Newcastle United, we’ll most likely get thrashed next game and have no idea what the hell this club is doing!

  105. Carroll = better than messi in 4 yrs time lads.. wait an see

    Andy Gray : “Oh and that bullet of a header from top scorer andy Carroll may have just won Newcastle the champions league”

  106. Andy cheers ;) as I said I dont agree with what he has done. and I would question the sense of him being there in the 1st place.

  107. Ice, I want to see both Carroll and NUFC do well, i’d love them to. Just with this club, it helps to not expect anything good and be cynical – whilst still supporting and constructively criticising in the appropriate way of course – so when they don’t get to where they should be you aren’t as let down as we usually have been the last few decades or so.

  108. Oh Dave definitely, he was supposed to be injured, and he’s in the Bigg market, Blu Bambu at 1 in the morning? He shouldn’t have been there in the first place, nevermind not injured enough to get in a state that he thought throwing glasses at people’s faces was a sensible decision. It’s on the same level as what Barton done outside of maccy d’s, just Barton’s done it plenty of times before.

    I for one won’t give any extra support for him being a Geordie should he do something like this again (not to mention the woman he hit last year).

  109. Big Willy says:
    February 8, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    “MDS, sorry to say this mate but if it’s decent Ale you want then perhaps we should recolonise you.”

    C’mon Willy. Most of our beer’s pretty awful really.

  110. andy ive been let down since the 50s so no surpise there.mind i went on fri just to look at willliamson,lads saying on here he had no pace i thought cardiff had pacey front line,i could not fault the lad,fair turn of foot, marking v good

  111. Don’t really need pace as a centre back as long as you get in the right positions, in fact i’d rather have a slow as hell player with the best movement and positioning in the game.

    If Williamson turns out to be a decent player next year for the price we paid for him then a sell on price of 5 times what we paid for him wouldn’t be impossible… great business. That’s what I think Ashley has in mind in terms of how we do business now, and I like it – except of course selling our best players.

  112. icedog agree with you about Williamson, I have said when we were linked to him that from what I seen of him and what a mate of mine was saying about him he would be usefull player ;)

    Andy > I like it – except of course selling our best players.

    Do you really believe that that is MA’s plans, as I dont think it is

  113. Worky, I think you are confusing Lager with Beer, we make some cracking Ales just go to a beer festival for proof of this. For starters try some of the Wychwood Ales.
    Our local Londis (ran by Asians) has an amazing range.
    Including an Orkney Ale costing £17 a bottle, very very strong though. I havn’t bought one but a mate was tempted, he was also tempted to buy a bottle of wine at what he thought was very cheap at only £100, normally around £160, didn’t though. More money than sense. :)

  114. Nah Dave I don’t think it is either, I just hope he doesn’t in future. It’s a shame we let Bassong go but in all honesty it could have been a good one season in the league… £8mill for a player we hardly paid £2mill for including wages for a full season was pretty good.

  115. big dave i remember you saying that m8,but others saying he was slow,i wanted to check,you were right (again)ha

  116. At the risk of tempting fate, no one has thrashed us in the league so far this season nor do I expect anyone to.

    We have a solid defence with (now) good stand ins if and when needed.
    The midfield is now starting to look better although a couple of injuries especially to Routledge or Jonas could stretch the lines somewhat.
    I’m certainly optimistic.

  117. These next 2 games will still be tough. Derby are fighting to stay up and have demonstrated they can stop us playing and grabbed a good win against Forest.

    Swansea will want to get back at us for beating them earlier in the season and have their own play-off ambitions.

  118. i toonsy but we had no width that day (derby) or pace little dif this time,but swansea will be tough nut to crack

  119. I just hope we start with 2 up front as we shouldnt be settling for draws, We are the best team in this league and should be going out to win every game and not settle for 2nd best=1 pt.

  120. they have been giving you stick all day m8,but i fought your corner told them straight you had nowt to do with w.bridges bird

  121. Batty I take it your missus is in the same room as you mate ? anyway I think sometimes 1 woman can be to much :lol: :lol: :lol:

  122. Tell ya what, that Max Clifford don’t hang around does he? I bet that birds flaps were still wet while he was knocking on the door :lol:

  123. Im not saying players shouldnt drink as nowt wrong with a few beers after a game, but they have to be careful where and when they drink

    When my cousin played, he would only have wine on a sunday afternoon after a meal and if in a pub always on soft drinks. That might have been over the top, but going to some pub in the big market is asking for bother. You know people are going to be watching you no mater what. Be far better off having a few at your local with people who you know.

    Maybe I’m just getting old, but thats my point of view

  124. toonsy eds face book , hi iam toonsy on eds blog iam 21 here,s my pic and if any of u guys are looking for action iam willing too meet . <<< ring a bell dus it toonsy :lol:

  125. Dave – Yeah, word for word almost. Apert from my age being wrong and the looking for some action part and here’s my pic :lol:

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