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Steady as she goes? – Newcastle United 3-0 Preston North End.

Posted on February 20th, 2010 | 124 Comments |

Lovenkrands: Scored again, but had to pull out.
Lovenkrands: Scored again, but had to pull out.
Another home game, another win. It seems the Newcastle United promotion charge is picking up pace at the right time. With our last 2 home games bearing the gift of 9 goals scored, as fans we could be forgiven for wanting more of the same. Goals this season have been a rare treat, often with the boys in black & white doing just enough. Performance wise it was a case of just enough, but result wise it was another 3 goals, another clean sheet and another 3 points.

With the surprise news that Wayne Routledge was to miss today’s game with a calf injury, it meant a recall to the team for club vice-captain Alan Smith with Danny Guthrie move out to the right wing to accomodate. That left both sides lining up as follows:

Newcastle United: Harper, Simpson, Coloccini, Williamson, Van Aanholt, Gutierrez, Smith (c), Nolan, Guthrie, Carroll, Lovenkrands.

Subs: Krul, Hall, Kadar, Ranger, Best, Taylor, Pancrate

Preston North End: Lonergan, Mawene, Sedgwick, St. Ledger (c), Coutts, Wellbeck, Jones, Williams, James, Wallace, parkin

Subs: Hart, Carter, Chilvers, Treacy, Henderson, Elliot, Mellor

The Toon started flat but still went 1 goal up on 3 minutes when Peter Lovenkrands hit a cross-come-shot which looped over Preston goalkeeper Andy Lonergan and dropped into the far corner of the net. This seemed to be a cue for the home side to take their foot off the pedal for the next 10 minutes befor goal-scorer Lovenkrands was forced to leave the field with a suspected hamstring injury around the quarter-hour mark to be replaced by recent arrival Leon Best.

Fresh from losing Lovenkrands, it was Preston who ‘pressed on’ searching for an equaliser, striker Jon Parkin twice forcing fine saves from Steve Harper with the away side wasting a couple of corners. Alan Smith nearly opened his Toon scoring account on 38 minutes, a fine save from Andy Lonergan tipping Smith’s 20 yard volley around the post. From the resulting corner it was Lonergan who again thwarted Newcastle’s attempt’s to get a 2nd before half-time, tipping Mike Williamson’s powerful header onto the woodwork with United unable to capitalise from the rebound. Preston came within inches of sneaking an equaliser before the break, Jon Parkin again missing the target by inches from his volley.

So a 1-0 half-time score in what was turning out be a pretty uninspiring yet effective performance, the likes of which us fans have seen all season.

United started the 2nd half brightly with Carroll, Gutierrez and Guthrie all going close and on 55 minutes Newcastle got the 2nd goal that the up-turn in tempo deserved, Alan Smith rolling into the path of Kevin Nolan for the scouser to score his 12th of the season. At 2-0 it was effectively game over as a contest. Preston seemed nervous and seemed to want to get away with a 2-0 scoreline. Jonas Gutierrez was replaced by Ryan Taylor and Danny Guthrie left the field to a standing ovation to replaced by Fabrice Pancrate.

The 2-0 scoreline wasn’t to be, and after a succssesion of chances, 2 of the substitutes combined in stoppage time to make it a final score of 3-0. Fabrice Pancrate cutting the ball back across the box for Ryan Taylor to sweep in his 2nd goal in a week.

So a final score of 3-0 and a case of job done. Some great individual performances on show today, particularly from young Danny Guthrie who ran the show both on the wing and cutting in from the wing, and another sound defensive performance. Our very own bowburnmag was in attendance so will no doubt be along with his very own opinion and player ratings in due course. My player ratings go something like this however;

Starting XI: Harper 7, Van Aanholt 6, Coloccini 7, Williamson 7, Simpson 7, Jonas 7, Smith 6, Nolan 7, Guthrie 9, Lovenkrands 7, Carroll 6.

Subs used: Best 6, Taylor 7, Pancrate 6.

Attendance: 45,525.

A full match review from Bowburnmag will follow.

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124 Responses

  1. In all fairness, Preston never really seemed a team that set out to trouble us and we’ve been far more pushed by other, maybe lesser, teams this season.

    At the end of the day it’s another 3 points on the way to promotion, which ultimately is the only thing that matters. I could slip in a line about worrying about facing Prem teams with performances that were short of top gear like today, but that’s a bit unfair and skeptical. Well done to the new lads and Guthrie for overcoming some out of depth performances on the wing to give arguably the best display today.

  2. We would get annihilated by any Premiership team if we played like that. Hopefully Gutierrez wasn’t injured otherwise we are in trouble. And Guthrie was poor.

  3. guthrie was good macas but i tell you what, you are right about one thing. IF we do go up and we should, we will not stay up as our team is not good enough for the PREM alas. We had a far stonger team last season and still got battered to the bottom of the league and relegated. If we go up again most of our decent players have all long since gone and we have average at very best left. Ashley would need to buy big and buy fast to get a full pre season. can anyone see him doing it in all honesty?? Nope. This sounds mad but i am almost already dreading going up!

  4. had week away in malta to watch some games,got back for cov match,and was quite happy could not make todays game,now confused some of yous say guthrie man of match others say he was sh–,whos right?see preston manager is just like his dad,quote;it was never 3-0 if toon get refs like today they will get promo

  5. Lads we need to realise that this team is good enough to win the CCC I think CH and MA know that allready But im pretty sure they also know that we wouldn’t be good enough for the Prem. But we and they dont need to worry about that untill we get promotion. I am not a fan of MA but if he keeps us which I now think he will, I am sure he will invest in the team

  6. lads its only the midfield that got us relegated! the same midfield that is playing who are way to slow as we found out and have not got a clue making chances for are forwards!the best thing that happened to us this season was nicky butt getting injured in pre season becasue it worked in are favour in playing smith and nolan who couldnt stop scoring which stopped people saying how slow they are until the last 2 months!nicky butt would have been his first pick god help us if he hadnt were would we be! how many games have we won with nicky butt in the side nobody saw it apart from the fans.

  7. Great result. Still can’t believe some of the negativity of fans on these forums! Why are people worrying about next season?! We haven’t even been promoted yet! If and when we get promoted, it is obvious we will buy new players, so chill out everyone!

  8. icedog how was Malta good I hope ;)
    asim its not really nice to be glad that one of your own is injured but in Butts case its worked out real nice, long may it continue :lol:

  9. big dave;yes m8 i did enjoy it often go over to watch some footie games watch my mates sons play 1 or 2 quite tidy players there one i know would def handle ccc.hope butt and bambi say out for a few more games

  10. Some people disregard the championship so much that they believe we’re a Premiership team just having a holiday in an easier league, before ‘inevitably’ returning next year.

    We aren’t even that safe for promotion yet, but people still worry about next season. Personally, all I worry about is next game and injuries to Jonas and ‘Krands.

    Yeah, it’s probably right that we won’t be hugely successful with this team in the Prem, but it’s an irrelevant point and one which needs to be surpressed. I’ll discuss how we’ll fair once in the Prem once the summer transfer window closes and we’ve had a couple of games, but to start discussing it now is ludicrous. Anyway, it’s a needless bit of negativity – just like the “fat cockney…” chant today (which thankfully died quite quickly).

  11. icedog… it was not looking to the future that got us relegated in the first place. He thought he could keep on sacking managers and`selling our best players and that we would always still stay in prem. he didnt look to the future but thought of the here annd now all the time and always took the cash on offer to give him the best deal asap, no long term thought or vision got us relegated, along with all the other crap going on. i dont agree with only planning for each game as it happens. we should have the whole season planned out before a ball has even been kicked. now that would be nice.

  12. Craig, it was actually the opposite of that. He had turmoil on his hands in terms of awful finances and realising that the system he put in place wasn’t working (Keegan/Wise). He bought young, unestablished players, pointing towards the Arsenal model and cutting unecessary costs when possible.

    You don’t plan for just the next game, you set goals at the start of and throughout the season depending on expectations and results, but to complain about the season after, assuming that we’ll be promoted is ludicrous.

    Ashley had the best of intentions and always wanted to be a club making the most out of modest running, but his methods were flawed and with the wrong people in the wrong places. It’s not like he spent £250million to just destroy his own assets, lose his money and be hated by 52,000 is it? If we go back up and stay there with good finances and signs of a long term vision (we don’t buy players over 27 and have a wage cap already) evident then he’ll have turned it around big time.

  13. sorry lads but i dont trust ashley end of storey,so we dont know the future,so thats why i only look to next game and you know what they say about well layed plans

  14. Why do people keep saying “we need to buy big to stay up next year”? I have never heard so much nonsense in all of my life. I am more concerned about the quality of our signings, not their price tag. We could spend 30million and still come back straight down. On the flip side we could spend 8 to 15million and have a great season. It’s all about buying players that compliment and suppliment the side. Not splashing out on “proven premiership players”, as most pundits will have you believe. These pundits talk sh*te and form their entire opinions on that weeks results. Mugs.

    E.g. Paul Merson was ranting and raving about “Parkin” throughout the entire 90mins, talking about how much of a threat he is etc. At the end of the game he claimed we were always comfortable and Preston were never a threat. Ridiculous.

  15. Dragonera,
    too right marra.

    Thanx andy, sense.

    3 points, 3 goals, 0 against, the crowd got round to
    mentioning our ‘noble’ leader, Nolan & R Taylor(again) shut up the ‘swivel-chair boo-boys’.
    More pressure applied to our closest rivals.
    Keep it going lads!
    Howay!

  16. Dragonera-Paul Merson is a bit of an idiot like, not a very good pundit just to make it worse for him aswell. As for Parkin, well, someone just needs to lock him out of the canteen after training.
    Pretty pleased with today to be honest. We need to keep picking up the points at home and we’re doing that. Goal difference could be a factor come the end of the season (touch wood it wont be, however) so another 3 will always help. According to the wireless Guthrie had another excellent game which i’m pleased about, would obviously still preferr him playing down the middle however. Glad Nolan has bagged one, hopefully his performances will pick up. Who knows if its was just a confidence issue or what but he’d definitly slumped in recent weeks.
    As for Ferguson moaning about the referee, what do you expect. A typical Ferguson. From what I heard the ref had a stinker as far as BOTH teams were concerned, so he’s just looking for excuses.

    Just a question aswell- Smith nearly opening his toon account is mentioned in the article. Do friendlies count? lol. Because im quite sure i was at his debut pre season where he bagged a goal with a header. So, he sort of has opened his account, but hasnt? haha

  17. sorry andynufc………we are all fans but i detest ashley for what he has done to us. i cant belive you stand by that fat turd to be honest. we have enjoyed 17 seasons in the prem which he has destroyed asap through either greed or just ignorance. 4 managers in a season, loosing our long term sponsor, getting relegated. Lying to all the fans and then having to admit that he did it at KK’s tibunal. Appointing a tosser as chairman and turning us into an international joke cos belive me we are…. i work all around the world and i get stick everywhere i go now if i wear my colours.
    He says he wanted youth etc but sold good youth in milner etc just for sheer profit and nothing else.
    He has sold more in money than he has bought, hiked up the season tickets, asset stripped the club, laid off stacks of staff, changed the name of st james and generally stuck his fingers up at geordies on the whole. Hey, everyone is entitled to his opinion but i cant wait for the day this king size turd sells us. we will never get stability under the ashley sterwardship.
    there is an arguement or thought train on here saying that i am wrong to plan for prem football and prem players when we are in CCC but thas what ashley did in the first place nad its what landed us in the fizzy league…. he SOLD prem players while still in PREM for greed and when we lost our foundations we became what he had made us… a CCC side whilst still in the PREM. All you ashley supporters have a very short and disloyal memory.

  18. @AndyNUFC: “Ashley had the best of intentions and always wanted to be a club making the most out of modest running”

    What exactly are you!? An accountant? A wannabe bosom pal of Ashley? A member of his family? Are you Derek Llambias in disguise??

    No one has the right to hijack a Premiership club with a 52,000 seater stadium filled to the rafters every week and try to run it out of his petty cash tin!

    Why couldn’t the ********** buy Darlington and impose his modest ambitions on them? Or just buy a copy of Championship Manager?

    With any luck, your hero will be off like a shot next season with the proceeds from the sale of of a newly promoted premiership club in his back pocket.

    And I hope he takes you and the other ‘Stepford Wives’ that have the neck to post in his favour with him.

  19. Nah i’m not some wannabe kiss ass, I just base my opinion from looking at the facts and don’t fall to media cliches. I do admire Mike Ashley for saving the club financially, i’d rather have a relegated club winning the championship than a struggling premiership club getting put into administration.

  20. Well said craig chisholm and DarthBroon.

    Ashley has behaved disgracefully since the beginning of his tenure. How anyone can defend his actions over the last 18 months is completely beyond me.

    Anyway, another win today, and another step closer to his departure, hopefully.

  21. Just saw the goals on the terrible hour or so of television that is the football league show. Loven’s goal was quite clearly an attempted cross, but it looked good none the less and they all count regardless of how they go in. Nolans goal at first glance actually looked like a good team goal. A quick passing movement with a final pass from Smith that cut through their back four and he finished calmly. As for the third, have to feel sorry for Best falling over his own feet yet again (you also have to wonder when he’s going to find his strikers instinct and get his first for us though,lol) but again Taylor is in the right place at the right time to wrap it up. Good scoreline, another 3 points, cant ask for much more.

  22. “Nah i’m not some wannabe kiss ass, I just base my opinion from looking at the facts…”

    What facts? Ashley’s press releases?

    “…and don’t fall to media cliches”

    Weasel words.

  23. Why do people associate a salary cap, an age limit and a refusal to pay over two million in transfer fees to the Arsenal business plan.
    Like to know what arsenals cap is (doubt if they have one)
    and did`nt they pay over twelve million recently for Arshevin, not hay !
    Interested in seeing what we do in the summer window (it looks likely we will be promoted)as far as strengthening, thought this last window would be a revelation, but still hard to figure, being we spent, but not much, hard to figure if he wants to just get the club in the PL in order to get a better price, or whether he likes the look of that Fifty million in tv revenue and intends to hang around for more.
    The salary cap and age limit are just pipe dreams in which case how do we attract the players we need for nowt, and pay them shit.
    Both Workey and the lumpen proletariat, will object to selling to any Russian Oligarchs, or Oil rich guys from the emirates, though Lee Ryder thinks they are ok, but to be fair he may object to certain more aggressive but un-named mid east states.
    Personally i say beware of the Yanks, they have a history of worldwide flim flam and tend to bring about worldwide financial disasters, though to be fair most US sports franchises are moneymakers.
    It`s very confusing.

  24. ingen av oss ska gå ut och försvara Ashley och hans sätt att driva klubben och att jämföra oss med arsenal och dess ungdoms policy … vi ska inte glömma att arsenal började med wenger och hans stora värvningar och där efter kom ungdommarna in har ni glömt första upplagan av nuvarande arsenal hana började med att värva spelare som bergcamp,overmarspires,henry,campbell……..

  25. none of us should go out and defend Ashley and his way of running the club and to compare us to arsenal and its youth policy … we should not forget that Arsenal began with Wenger and his big signings and there were youngsters in after you have forgotten the first edition the current arsenal began to recruit players that bergcamp, Overmars Pires, Henry, Campbell … … ..

  26. To all those People who always say that with the current squad,blah,blah,blah,we cannot survive well in BPL.

    Hmmm,i suppose you all are looking at the current player strengths.

    However IMO,is the player mentality that is more impt than the skills of the player to stay in BPL.

    If Players has the mindset of “We sure can’t win the likes of chelsea,liverpool,Man united,etc.” Then they sure can’t.

    90% Mentality, 5%skills, 5%Luck.

    If that Ashely intends to keep the club for long-term,i am sure he doesn’t want to make his “investment” a failure.

    Look at Everton,Leeds. Both this two have the right mentality of winning the “bigger” clubs. They don’t sit back and relax. They work hard and attack. Thus,They won.

    ;););)

  27. angelofdeath(nice name by the way)…. very romantic idea that heart and guts is more important than skill and quality. Not true alas. What we need is a combination o f the two. Everton…. their squad is much more valuble than ours and comparisons cant be made. Leeds…. well, they lost their best players and went to div two.

  28. Bollox – who cares? Another sound home win and a fantastic array of flange on display in toon last night. Well worth the 850-mile trip.
    So you whining gits shurrup and go see how many clubs out there you can find that you’d like to swap circumstances with while I go get some salt, lard and caffiene into me.

  29. Oh and although Guthrie was very handy the only player we had on the right wing was Simpson. It wasn’t pretty but it was surprisingly watchable and we were surprisingly creative throught the middle despite the overcrowding. Harper was excellent as usual and the back four were rarely troubled. Just a bit gutted about Routledge – I think it would have been much prettier and more comprehensive if we’d had two wingers.

  30. what was it – three or four pints & a couple of slaps off the local lasses for your – high-spirited – cheek.

    some people are easily pleased.

  31. I am not a fan of Ashley, his sidekicks or his incompetence but you must consider the Portsmouth situation. The fans wanted the owner out, got several ‘Rich Arabs’ in and look at them now !!!!!

    Ashley out yes but only if the right new owner comes in!!

  32. I have to agree with Andy NUFC, I’m not a fan of MA and do blame himand hs cronnies for their inept way they have run the club.

    He’s based running the club on the same business model as Sports Diret, what he hasn’t realised is football isn’t a normal business.

    But you don’t go into a business looking to throw money away so can’t say he’s done it on purpose. I think he has realised his mistake and has started to do some positive things (actually put his hand in his pocket last transfer window.

    But let’s be honest the last few years the club has been slipping down the table and we we’re edging further down long before MA came in.

    What we have to look at now is the positives, by dropping into the fizzy pop league players like Jone,Enrique & collo have adapted more to the english style of football, some of the younger players have had a chance to come through and we have bought in some good young prospects.
    We also have gotten rid of the dead wood players earning stupid wages and doing sweet FA, and now have a good core team with a togetherness and playing as a unit. We actually have a solid defence for a change, all be it in a lower league.

    And though a league is not won on paper our run in compared to Forest & West Brom is much better. We have played all the inform teams and only have 3 teams in the top 8 left to play.

    So instead of critising and picking fault with the board which seems to have learnt it’s lesson(though I don’t still trust them)and a team picking up a good result(though it wasn’t a pretty win) we’re still 5 points clear at the top with a game in hand an superior goal diffrence. Try getting behind the team and the club for now, then we can see what the club does when we go up.

    HWTL

  33. Sir BR… behind team YES… behind Ashley – never. ashley put us into the this league and has ripped appart our club. And i am sick of hearing about how he has paid off the debt blah blah. we had 80 million debt when he took over, he had to pay off the 47 million owed on the stadium – he had no choice. everything other than that 47 million – who says he has paid it off?? He does one minute then he says we still have debt. Mort said famously ‘ as of now this club has no debt’ but then months later we haver still over 3o million’s worth. The whole thing is bollox and spin, nothing more. He has paid the 47 million and thats it. And as he has gone along he has tried his most to get it back, hook or by crook. He came in, made massive changes to a solid prem club and this is the end result. We will be a yo-yo club forever unless he goes. But yes, support NUFC as a team. always have and always will. ashley… eat shit and die.

  34. Quite happy “IF” Ashley stays, everyone knows his mistakes and he’s made plenty but hopefully he’s learned from them and won’t make them again. Better the devil you know than the devil you don’t. Read an article this morning concerning Aston Villa saying Lerner wanted to cut costs next season, not what Martin o’Neill wanted to hear so he’ll be throwing his toys out of the pram next and slink off in a huff. A lot of these owners are realising how much a Premiership club costs to run and I doubt anybody is making any money.

    As far as next season goes and all the doom mongers wishing their lives away let’s see how we get on this next couple of months and take it from there.

    On a different note saw Lee Lard last night (comedian) and he was brilliant. If you get a chance go and see him you will not be disappointed. Check out the Fed brewery as he’s on there every three months or so.

  35. Had a great day yesterday a good few drinks in rosies before the match but on reflection getting hammered and missing the last train back to Birmingham was maybe a bit stupid

  36. For all the lads wanting to spend “big money” next season, here is a little list of the Toon’s best buys and how much they cost.

    Michael Owen £17m
    Albert Luque £9.5m
    Hugo Viana £8.5m
    Jean Alain Boumsong £8m
    Duncan Ferguson £8m
    Carl Cort £7m
    Marcelino £5.8m
    Goma £4.7m
    Titus Barmble £4.5m
    Cristian Bassedas £4m

    Total cost (not including wages) £77m

    Resale value….. 50p!

    Of course these weren’t all Ashley’s buys so we might just let him off this time……

  37. Craig Chisholm
    ‘He came in, made massive changes to a solid prem club and this is the end result.’

    I’m sorry but if you honestly believe that you are living in cloud cuckoo land. The club were on a one way ticket to oblivion. It’s hard to fathom how people find that difficult to comprehend. We were relegation material waiting to happen. We had been on a one way trajectory for several years. It may have been hastened but you cant deny that everything in the garden was far from rosey before he came in. The people you should be saving some of your vitriol for is SJH and his sidekicks who had bled the club dry and appeared like someone trying to offload stolen goods in his haste to get rid of us before it all imploded. Also there are plenty of examples of where the previous regime dragged the clubs good name through the mire, insulted the fans, laughed at them being ripped off etc etc.

  38. geordie deb, you are nothing short of a turn coat…. i recall you very very often having a right go at ashley and you were as vocal as the rest of us during our massive demise – on Ed’s website. shame on you girl for jumping ship so quick, such short memories. ah well, it matters not as all you pro ashleys will be after his blood again come mid next season – i shall remind you deb when you kick off about him again.

  39. Deb, now that is a very good point!

    How can we forget the fake sheikh, the Mary Poppins, the geordie girls are dogs.

  40. also the only arguement that you pro ashleys keep referring to is the debt and how he has saved us. You are just sheep listening to ashley propaganda. we are fans and not accountants. can you say you are being entertained more in the ashley era in the CCC and paying 10% more for it? Do you think ashley wants to here us bleating on about our bills and how hard life is?? nope, he dont give a toss. Its called life, same as i am not concerned at ashley dripping like a leaky tap.
    i thought the nust said some interesting comments recently when they said that during ashleys (short) time in the prem he stripped money at a rate of 7 million per month – every month. Ashley camp and NUFC have not came out and counter argued this point either. i wonder why they havent contested this statement???

  41. toonsy says:
    February 21, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    “How can we forget the fake sheikh, the Mary Poppins, the geordie girls are dogs.”

    Divven’t forget the lesbians in handcuffs toonsy! :-)

  42. craig chisholm says:
    February 21, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    “i thought the nust said some interesting comments recently when they said that during ashleys (short) time in the prem he stripped money at a rate of 7 million per month – every month.”

    That was completely untrue, Craig.

  43. hammy69 says:
    February 21, 2010 at 11:26 am

    I think this list says more about the managers choosing the players than the money spent.

    If we had, had one good manager for the last ten years with the money we’ve spent we’d be top 2 or 3.

  44. craig chisholm says:
    February 21, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    If you could add up Craig you would know it’s totall bollox!

  45. craig chisholm says:
    February 21, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    “lezzas in handcuffs worky??”

    Craig, Shepherd told the ‘Fake Shiekh’ as they were waiting for a sex show in the Spanish bordello that lesbians in handcuffs were his favourite, so long as there were no black girls involved, as he didn’t like black girls.

  46. Craig
    I have always held a middle of the road opinion about Ashley. Ofcourse when he has done stupid things I have criticised him, just as I have praised the fact that at least he has kept the club afloat by injecting cash, reducing costs and trying to get us back on an even keel. I dont see how I have become a turncoat. Maybe you ahve mixed me up with Geordie Jayne who was always vitriolic regarding Ashley. I was upset at the whole Keegan fiasco and the lack of communication. The people I have far more distain for are SJH and Fat Fred. They’ve fleeced the club for years. Their whole families had their snouts in the trough and were literally bleeding the club dry filling their pockets and making so called trophy signings to try to keep the fans happy even though we couldnt afford it. We were literally hocked up to our eyebrows and SJH couldn’t wait to offload it as he saw the writing on the wall and wanted out. These are the real villians in my opinion. Asley has been foolish. He bought the club without making the necessary checks, but based on SJH saying he wanted a decision within 48hours he went ahead anyway. Was it foolish – yes and as the scale of the financial situation we were in, hit him he obviously had to alter the financial course we were taking. He has made many mistakes for which he has apologised. He listened to bad advice, trusted the wrong people, made some bad decisions and put someone in charge who did not have the necessary experience. Despite that, he seems to be trying to put things right. Whether that is to sell us if we get promotion or if he decides to keep us fair enough. I wouldnt be against him staying on as long as he has a realistic vision for the club and that is communicated to the fans. We are in a decent position at the moment so shouldnt we all give a bit of credit where its due and focus on the team rather than constantly dragging up this nonsense?

  47. Back to the NUST £7m per month – it has been proven to be a load of rubbish as it is not possible – a two minute calculation on the back of a fag packet demonstrates that and yet you’re accusing others of being taken in by what is written in the media. You seem to be under the impression that he is stripping money out of the club adn has been sinced he bought us. I’m not sure how you can come to those conclusions, but I think you will find that they are wrong.

  48. I fully agree with Deb.

    MA doesn’t = “God”, but nor does MA = “the Devil”. Let’s focus on present time and hope we make an instant return, then we’ll see if über negative ppl like Craig Chisholm et al are right or if the “MA-brigade” like Stardust are right.

    I would think the truth is somewhere in between the two extremes, it will take a long while to be a top PL team (if ever) but with the current financial meltdown among a fair few PL clubs (and others) I do think it’ll be possible become a mid-table team next season with limited and sane investments and build from that

    (NB! limited and sane investments does mean we do need to buy quality).

  49. Craig, the argument isn’t whether we are rock bottom of the premiership, maybe we will be if we get promoted. Could be we finish mid table. If Ashley sells fair enough. As long as we have an owner who can keep us afloat short term and provide the investment to allow us to compete that’s all I’m interested in. If that is Mike Ashley fine, if it isn’t that’s ok as well. I just don’t believe in all this vitriolic nonsense that’s aimed at the owner now. You didn’t make any comment on SJH etc. If you’re going to criticise Ashley for his shortcomings, maybe you could tell us how the previous regime were doing such a fine job?

  50. craig chisholm says:
    February 21, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    “worky – if it was untrue why did ashley camp not counter the claim made by nust?”

    1) If Ashley were to counter all the lies told about him, he would need a full time bureau and it would just make matters worse anyway.

    2) That claim was so silly, and had so little credibility, that it wasn’t worth it.

    3) Sometimes, when people are out to destroy you, it’s best just to let them have enough rope to hang themselves instead.

  51. Bloody hell, I am getting sick of reading this crap about Ashley asset-stripping the club, Owen, Martins, Viduka,Duff etc everyone was slagging them off for their lack of effort last season, now they are gone, ashley has asset-stripped the club, which is it! I just thank God they have gone, they could’nt give a shit about our club, all they were interested is their fat wage packets. This club was in big financial trouble before Ashley arrived as Shepard had spent money the club had’nt even earned yet, if people want to discuss how much money has been taken out of NUFC, look to fat freddy and john hall first! We could easily be on the same road as Portsmouth, how many so called owners have they had this season? At least it seems Ashley would’nt sell the club as the prospective buyers did’nt have the funds to 1. buy the club and 2. to run it on a sound financial basis. Don’t call me an Ashley supporter as the man has had many an email from me giving him an earfull and I think he has made many many mistakes. I dont totally blame him for relegation from the EPL, most of the blame should lie with those shiftless waste of space that called themselves premiership footballers.

  52. ASHLEY IS AMONG US!

    “Bollox – who cares? Another sound home win and a fantastic array of flange on display in toon last night. Well worth the 850-mile trip.”
    So you whining gits shurrup and go see how many clubs out there you can find that you’d like to swap circumstances with while I go get some salt, lard and caffiene into me.”

    Come on, you’re you Fat Mike in disguise aren’t you Whumpie?

  53. @workyticket

    “1) If Ashley were to counter all the lies told about him, he would need a full time bureau and it would just make matters worse anyway.”

    Weasel words

    “2) That claim was tho thilly, and had so little credibility, that it wasn’t worth it.”

    Weasel words

    “3) Sometimes, when people are out to destroy you, it’s best just to let them have enough rope to hang themselves instead.”

    Much as Keegan did at the tribunal.

  54. @geordie deb

    “I just don’t believe in all this vitriolic nonsense that’s aimed at the owner now.”

    Maybe you’re from some OTHER CITY that this FAT LUMP and his mate ‘The Streak’ haven’t made a LAUGHING STOCK out of throughout the rest of the country. Or perhaps you’re one of those gentle folk who just like to see the good in everyone.

    “You didn’t make any comment on SJH etc. If you’re going to criticise Ashley for his shortcomings, maybe you could tell us how the previous regime were doing such a fine job?”

    They didn’t get us relegated.

  55. DarthBroon – Neither did Ashley get us relegated, I believe the blame for that lay squarely on the shoulders of the players some fans are clamouring for.

  56. @toonsy

    “Neither did Ashley get us relegated”

    So – he had nothing to do with Sam’s sacking, the appointment of Keegan (and the repudiation of his contract by imposing a modified management structure – remember?), the appointment of Joe F*****g Kinnear?

    Should I go on?

    You clot.

  57. DB – Cheers for the insult you child!

    I’m not completely denying some balme has to come from the decision making process, that os where Ashley went wrong.

    Fans wanted Allardyce gone, so Mike did it. Then he got Keegan back, fine. Then Keegan left as he didn’t want to work with Wise and wanted control, fair enough, that was Keegans choice. To replace him we tried for Redknapp, he turned us down. Hughton was pap as caretaker and couldn’t stop the rot. Cue Kinnear, probably the only manager that would come at the time. He fell ill, Hughton couldn’t change things again so in came Shearer, fans happy. Relegated, fans unhappy. In short basically.

    Yes, it’s a lot of upheaval, but ultimately the players let us down with their failure to perform.

  58. toonsy says:
    February 21, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    “Yes, it’s a lot of upheaval, but ultimately the players let us down with their failure to perform.”

    Toonsy, ultimately I think that it was the upheaval. You just can’t have five managerial changes in one season and expect to have a coherent team that will compete in the Premiership. Everytime the club were just settling in with one manager and his particular approach, then another came along. It was just complete madness.

  59. DarthBroon

    No I am not from another city I am from Newcastle. I just don’t have a big chip on my shoulder like some of our fans have, who are paranoid that everyone has it in for us because we are from Newcastle, that the big bad cockneys must hate us and are doing everything to undermine us and destroy us etc etc. Some of our fans’ paranoid behaviour is what makes this club a laughing stock amongst many other clubs fans. The sad thing is they just can’t see it.

  60. Craig I’m not denying that bit. It wasn’t his money though, he benefitted from the advent of the Premier league and the huge amounts of money that was swilling around with sky money etc at that time. The problem was the massive spending and taking money out of the club went on unchecked even as the down turn in fortunes post champions league, numerous managers later and a slide down to the lower haf of the league etc happened. We weren’t playing european football anymore, the glory days had finished, mediocre managers post SBR, we were finishing in the lower half of the league, money was drying up and we were still spending it like it was going out of fashion. It was about to implode, can you not accept that?

  61. worky – I know, but it’s a poor advertisement for the richest league in the world isn’t it?

    With that pitch and the half empty stands it’s hard to see the attraction of the EPL ;)

  62. @toonsy

    “Then Keegan left as he didn’t want to work with Wise and wanted control, fair enough…”

    …that was Keegans choice.”

    Missed the bit about a tribunal that resulted in a judgement that Keegan was CONSTRUCTIVELY DISMISSED did you (cost to club: £2,000,000 + costs)?

    I think I was being fairly reserved when I used the word ‘clot’.

  63. @geordie deb

    I have nothing against Cockneys; people from the south of England in general; people from any other part of this country.

    I DO have a problem with apologists for a useless FAT LUMP who has displayed nothing but contempt for this club and this city since their arrival.

    The sad thing is, people like you just can’t see it.

  64. Clot :lol:

    I mean come on, are you 6?

    Does it matter how he went? The fact is he went. I don’t blame Keegan for it of course not, as you said it was proved that decisions were made over his head. Which brings me back to… does it matter how he went? That is history my friend.

  65. db – You know there is a whole other thread an Ashley that your missing, right?

    Read that and you can see I’m no apologist, I’m just representing a balanced view.

    Settle ya’self doon son.

  66. DarthBroon says:
    February 21, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    “Missed the bit about a tribunal that resulted in a judgement that Keegan was CONSTRUCTIVELY DISMISSED did you (cost to club: £2,000,000 + costs)?”

    Well it was good that Keegan didn’t manage to ruin the club by getting the £25.1 million that he wanted anyway, DarthBroon.

  67. toonsy says:
    February 21, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    “Clot

    I mean come on, are you 6?”

    Well it’s better than another word that begins with “c” and end with “t”, toonsy.

  68. DarthBroon

    @geordie deb

    ‘I have nothing against Cockneys; people from the south of England in general; people from any other part of this country.

    I DO have a problem with apologists for a useless FAT LUMP who has displayed nothing but contempt for this club and this city since their arrival.

    The sad thing is, people like you just can’t see it.’

    Ah, So we do agree that Fat Fred was a useless FAT LUMP who has displayed contempt for the city and the club – emptying the coffers to line his own, laughing at the fans for buying overpriced shirts etc, denigrating geordie women, bringing shame on the city while doing this while in charge of NUFC in a spanish brothel so it was plastered all over the newspapers. Classy

  69. @toonsy

    “Does it matter how he went? The fact is he went.”

    If it doesn’t matter – don’t bring it up in the first place.

  70. DarthBroon says:
    February 21, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    “@workyticket

    I was saving the word ‘c**t’ for you.”

    Yes, I know Darth, everyone who doesn’t agree with you is an “c**t”, an “Ashley lover”, a “Mackem”, a “Cockney”, an “armchair fan” etc etc etc. Oscar Wilde himself would have marvelled at the sheer originality of you sharpened wit.

  71. @geordie deb

    “Ah, So we do agree that Fat Fred was a useless FAT LUMP who has displayed contempt for the city and the club – emptying the coffers to line his own, laughing at the fans for buying overpriced shirts etc, denigrating geordie women, bringing shame on the city while doing this while in charge of NUFC in a spanish brothel so it was plastered all over the newspapers. Classy”

    Fair point. You are quite right.

    But, as I said, he didn’t get us relegated.

    Talk about ‘out of the frying pan into the fire’.

  72. @workyticket

    Whereas Mr. Shaw himself would have probably just told you to “F**k off”.

    Why stoop where there’s nothing to pick up, after all.

  73. @toonsy

    “db – still not posting in the Ashley thread, no?”

    Are we finished here, then? Are they shutting it due to lack of interest?

    How’s the accountancy thread going?

  74. Not really, I just think you’ll find some answers to your questions there, plus there are more people replying.

    A friendly tip, if you will.

  75. Particularly this db;

    toonsy says:
    February 21, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Craig – “I’ll be here long after he has done one” is exactly why I no longer go to home games.

    I’ll be back at SJP when he has gone. I’m making a stand that I don’t agree with some of the things Ashley has done. It’s a hollow stand though when 45,000 others turn up churning their money into his pocket.

    That is a decision I took in the summer that I stuck by. A decision to not go to my home-town teams home games. A decision I have stuck by. It’s been hard don’t get me wrong but it makes me feel better.

    On the other hand, I can also give credit where it is due and Ashley is giving the necessary backing (however much it may be?) to get us back to the premier league.

    In my book this doesn’t make me an apologist, does it?

  76. So Darth

    With your out of the pan into the fire line – do I take it you rather we had owners stripping all the clubs worth into their grubby pockets (Shepherds and Halls) than the present one who has put money into the club and taken nothing out?

    They were the only choices available so please dont sidestep the question?

  77. @Stardust

    “They were the only choices available so please dont sidestep the question?”

    You cheeky TW*T! Who the hell do you think YOU are to tell anyone what they can or can’t (note the apostrophe) give as a response?

    Your question is absurdly loaded. Ask it of someone who accepts either part of it to be true.

  78. Answer the Question Darth – Both parts are true as stated in the lawfully filed accounts of PLC and Ltd co’s.

    So answer the question or you have just dodged the fundamental issue of your argument in front of the whole blog and therefore you will have zero credibility remaining – you’ll just be another sad lonely hate filled little rabble rouser ………………. and your answer is …. I expect it to be baah baaah bahhh

  79. @Sawdust

    So – “Both parts are true as stated in the lawfully filed accounts of PLC and Ltd co’s”

    Word for word, no doubt! LOL!

  80. @Sawdust

    I’m always loathe to upset the accountants in this group, but I think you’re mixing me up with someone else.

    Take a look at MY postings in this blog, and you will see that I have done nothing other than suggest that Mike Ashley is a FAT, LOUTISH, LOATHSOME CONTEMPTUOUS individual who has surrounded himself with similar figures/minds who, together, have condemned the Toon to the Championship through a calamitous sequence of MANAGEMENT DECISIONS.

    I’ve not said anything about his financial dealings with regard to the club – I’ll probably do what @clot suggested and cover my misgivings about his lack of CONTINUED INVESTMENT in the club (particularly his dealings in the latest transfer window) over there in the ‘Ashley’ thread (assuming there is one and @clot’s not been drinking the furniture polish).

    I haven’t really said much of anything about Fat Fred and Dougie, whose tenure I believe to have been marginally more palatable than Ashley’s

    @clot

    Is that OK with you?

    Seeing as you stuck your oar in again: How is it that Ashley is the Dogs B*llocks in this thread (as far as your concerned) and Lord Valdemort in the other?

    Make yourself useful and help @Sawdust find my embezzlement-related calumnies against Fat Mike.

  81. @Sawdust

    DON’T avoid this question!

    Are you a constipated chartered accountant OR a low-level functionary in Ashley’s business empire looking to curry favour with the gaffer.

    baah baaah bahhh!

  82. Seriously @toonsy

    Why the principled stance in the ‘Ashley thread’ and your argumentative toadying in this one?

    You’re obviously conflicted somewhere.

    Come on, friend. Explain.

  83. Darth, as I have said numerous times, I’m not blinkered so much that I can only see one side of the argument. I can see where both sides are coming from.

    Ashley has made some howlers, but really what can we do about it? Nobody wants to buy us at the end of the day.

    Similarly, it would have been quite easy for him to stop backing the club. Then where would be? Up shit creek even worse at a guess. He hasn’t done that, perhaps for his own reasons of hoping for a higher sale price or perhaps because he wants to stick around. Who knows? All I know at the minute is that his money ahs enabled us to acquire or keep players that give us the best chance to get out of this division.

    Next season, we’ll deal with that if we go up!

  84. @Sawdust

    Come on – I’ve only given you two options to choose from. How hard can it be?

    Pick one or we’ll all see you for the w*nker you are.

    baah baaah bahhh!

  85. DarthBroon says:
    February 21, 2010 at 8:23 pm (Edit)

    “@Sawdust

    Come on – I’ve only given you two options to choose from. How hard can it be?

    Pick one or we’ll all see you for the w*nker you are.”

    Darth, you’ve just inadvertantly given the game away in your goading of Stardust above.

    “Pick one or we’ll all see you for the w*nker you are.”

    As he rightly points out, it is a heavily ‘loaded’ question and hence, not worth answering. You haven’t succeeded in tricking him, and it’s obvious to anyone with the smallest scintilla of intelligence what you were trying to do.

  86. @workyticket

    “As he[?] wrote, it is a heavily ‘loaded’ question and hence, not worth answering. You haven’t succeeded in tricking him, and it’s obvious to anyone with the smallest scintilla of intelligence what you were trying to do.”

    I choose to believe you’re serious.

  87. DarthBroon says:
    February 21, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    Darth Broon, Stardust couldn’t possibly answer that question because he isn’t an Accountant and he doesn’t work for Ashley. However, if he doesn’t answer the question, you write that he is a “w****r”. So how would YOU answer that question, Darth? And, if you can’t, does that mean that you are prone to self abuse too?

  88. @workyticket

    read 101 and 102 again and see who set the ‘loaded’ question.

    If you have a scintilla (nice word from such a thick c*nt) of intelligence, you should be able to pick up the pieces from there.

  89. @Sawdust

    “Poor lil Baa Baaa Broon”.

    “Funny – but certainly not clever……”

    I thought it very funny. And clever enough.

    I’m surprised you spotted the jibe. Poor old @workythicket’s still scratching his head and counting his fingers.

  90. @workyticket

    “Darth Broon, Stardust couldn’t possibly answer that question because he isn’t an Accountant and he doesn’t work for Ashley.”

    Christ. If anyone were ever cruel enough to toss you a Rubik Cube it might be the end of you.

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