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Magic Magpie memories IV: FA Cup, 1932 (From the Pathe newsreel collection).

Posted on April 27th, 2010 | 83 Comments |

“The Hope of the North” and “The North v South Cup Final”

The first film introduces the Newcastle players taking part in the FA Cup final of 1932, and the second introduces their opponents from the Arsenal team.

There are two more films, a longer one with coverage of the final at Wembley, and one showing the team getting a rousing reception from Geordies upon their return to Tyneside. Finally, there are several more links to newsreels showing silent coverage of Newcastle’s progression in the earlier rounds, with victories over Leicester, Watford and Chelsea respectively.

The Teams.

Newcastle United: Albert McInroy (Goalkeeper), Jimmy Nelson (c), David Fairhurst, Roddie McKenzie, Dave Davidson, Sam Weaver, Jimmy Boyd, Jimmy Richardson, Jack Allen, Harry McMenemy, Tommy Lang,

Andrew Cunningham (manager).

Subs: No such thing in those days because men were men and finished the game with a broken leg if they had to!

Newcastle United’s manager, Scotsman, Andy Cunningham, was the first Newcastle United ‘manager’ in the sense we know it today. Until 1930 when Cunningham arrived as a player-manager, the team were led for forty years by club secretary, Frank Watt, however the team were picked by selection committee.

Arsenal: Frank Moss (Goalkeeper), Tom Parker (c), Eddie Hapgood, Charlie Jones, Herbie Roberts, George Male, Joe Hulme, David Jack, Jack Lambert, Cliff Bastin, Bob John.

Herbert Chapman (manager).

The Arsenal line up includes the great Cliff Bastin, who held Arsenal’s all time scoring record for several decades until Ian Wright and Terry Henry came along. They were managed by another one of the great figures in Arsenal’s history too, Herbert Chapman.

The Cup goes North! 1932 FA Cup final with interview section.

Arsenal strike first with a goal by Bob John after fifteen minutes. However, a brace from Magpie maestro, Jack Allen, brings the Cup back to Tyneside!

Great commentary from Mr Choldmondley-Warner once again (“Oh well dribbled, Sir!”). There’s also a great little ‘interview’ section with the two captains, wor Jimmy Nelson and the Gunners’ Tom Parker afterwards.

Well Done United!

The Magpies return home, and the whole of the Toon (quite literally!) come out to give them a rousing reception.

Howay the Lads!

A copy of the 1932 FA Cup Final (which is worth slightly more than 6d nowadays, apparently).

FA Cup final 1932 programme

Some links to silent newsreels of the earlier rounds and other stuff…

Round Five: Newcastle United v Leicester City.

“The ‘Magpies!’ United advance ‘Wembley-wards’ with fine 3 goals-to-1 victory over Leicester.”

Round Six (Quarter Final): Newcastle United v Watford.

Newcastle United “swamp” gallant little Watford by five goals to nil.

Semi final: Newcastle v Chelsea at St James’s Park.

A “meritorious” 2-1 home victory for wor lads. Next stop, Wembley!

“Newcastle. ‘The Cup’ – and the Prince!”.

Two bizzies with escort carry the Cup around St James’s in front of a huge crowd. The Prince of Wales, later King Edward VIII, later ex-King and disgraced nazi sympathiser in exile, is in attendance.

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83 Responses

  1. icedog says:
    April 27, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    “WORKY theres no subsitute for your class”

    Thanks ever-so much Icedog, that really means alot to me. I went to town a bit on this one, with links to all the player bios etc. I’ll probably do Hughie of the magic feet next, because his was one the the greatest, and the most moving stories of any Magpie. I still have a Bobby Robson bio to finish as well.

  2. WORKY,did have but left them for local team in ozz,but will ask around some old pals when i get up and around again no worries

  3. Great stuff worky.
    Look at the size of that crowd, mrs. :)
    Pity they don’t care to show our goals in the ’32 final like.
    ‘Bloody dorty northerners winning our cup’. :)

  4. Thanks again, Icedog.

    Do you know what? If there’s one big thing I’ve learnt studying the history of Newcastle United, it’s that Geordies should never look down on Scottish football. Without Scottish players, The history of this great club wouldn’t be what it is.

  5. WORKY,used to get about 60% of our players from jock land at one point,heres a fact on toon,j.charlton&leeds were first to put player in front of goalkeeper on corners/free kicks so they claim even in his book,wrong a guy named j.kerry signed from kilmarnick played no10 was first to do it for toon,and got pulled up for it a few times by ref,fact my own eyes

  6. 3min – NEWCASTLE GOAL (1-0): United centre-back Matthew Grieve makes a nuisance of himself at the near post from Shane Ferguson’s corner and, when the ball drops kindly for Joan Edmundsson, the Faroe Islands midfielder turns a smart scissor-kick into the bottom corner from just four yards out.

  7. 10min – NEWCASTLE GOAL (2-0): The Millers surrender possession midway inside their own half allowing Wesley Ngo Baheng to feed a low through ball to the supporting Shane Ferguson. The Northern Ireland international is some 20 yards from goal but has the confidence to take on a first-time effort and drills low into the bottom corner leaving Jamie Annerson no chance.

  8. icedog says:
    April 27, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    “heres a fact on toon,j.charlton&leeds were first to put player in front of goalkeeper on corners/free kicks so they claim even in his book,wrong a guy named j.kerry signed from kilmarnick played no10 was first to do it for toon,and got pulled up for it a few times by ref,fact my own eyes”

    I never knew that, icedog. Keep ’em coming!

  9. hitman says:
    April 27, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    “when the ball drops kindly for Joan Edmundsson, the Faroe Islands midfielder turns a smart scissor-kick into the bottom corner from just four yards out.”

    I did a bit of homework on him when I did a piece on his arrival – He looks like he could be good. He’s scored against Russia as well, a header I seem to recall.

  10. Ooo ooo football facts?

    I got sent of 7 times in my career, 3 times for ‘violent conduct’, twice for recieving 2 yellows, and twice for foul language :(

  11. toonsy says:
    April 27, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    “I got sent of 7 times in my career, 3 times for ‘violent conduct’, twice for recieving 2 yellows, and twice for foul language”

    Alan Smith could beat that in one season, Toonsy.

  12. icedog says:
    April 27, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    “TOONSY,you saying theres a evil side to you,or were they picking on you”

    I was a victim of circumstance ;)

    One of them was deliberate, and I’d do him again. He put a dirty knee high challenge in on me which I avoided luckily, so I smashed my elbow in his face and broke his jaw at the next corner when he was marking me. I didn’t mean to break his jaw like, but I haven’t lost any sleep over it.

  13. WORKY,small fact kerry soon picked up,refs vary,ie corners jumping up&down in front of goalkeepers before kick is taken he was pulled up,but once the ball was kicked it was in play ref could do nowt

  14. BIG DAVE think two deals are done not saying i agree with them but i think the bexford and o”hare deals are all but done imo

  15. Worky excellent thanks ;) them Reels really make you feel as if you missed out on something real special and it makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck, What it must of felt like for the players to play infront of crowds like that. They play the game the way it should be played and I couldn’t believe how polite and sincere Nelson and Parker were to eachother. I would love to know what the average age the players were as they all look like grown men or maybe they just looked older then.

  16. Ice I like O’hare and think he would be a good player, as for Beckford I thought Everton had him and I hope they have as IMO I think he would be a disruptive influence and cause a lot of shit in the dressing room :( I would rather give Ranger a go than Beckford as I think Ranger has more potental ;)

  17. BIG DAVE agree on both points,if we could get cleverly as well,m/f about sorted,on bex we cannot have him and JB in same d/room ;)

  18. I like O’Hara, but would rather have K.P.Boateng.

    I am not a Beckford fan and would rather have Jason Roberts in all truth. Not that it matters anyway as I doubt we are after either.

  19. Big Dave-Funny you found that video of the mackems training mate, I actually found some home footage of them relaxing at group bonding sessions, end of last season I think it was? ;)

  20. so everyones in bed now eh? come on children… toon!

    i dont wanna see beckford in b&w… thats for sure

  21. and in the same breath… i worry about ranger… he’sa london boy… its all diamonds and dollar signs… he’s friggin good, dont get me wrong(or atleast has potential) but dont like where his mind is

  22. Robbie Keane is available for £7-8m and he would be willing to take a pay cut.

    He would be a good signing if he is prepared to take a pay cut.

  23. The chip papers never give up on us do they, the Solano arrest is reported in the Mail with a photo of him wearing a Newcastle strip even though he plays for Leicester and in between these clubs has played for Villa and West Ham, its the same as Gazza, whenever he is in the shite its former Toon player but never any reference to Spurs Boro or Lazio.

  24. Ronnie keane for 7-8 million who will be 30 when the season starts, no thanks, even up in that shite league most of his goals have been from the penelty spot. Just the sort of player we don’t need. He would see out his final years on a big contract that no other club would give him, like mark viduka.

  25. Alright me ole chinas? Bleedin’ linos eh?

    Let’s hope that tv evidence is brought in and is retrospective!!!

    (enjoyed the clips btw)

  26. Nope, don’t want Keane or anyone of his ilk, to be honest. Much rather take my chances on 3 ‘prospects’ for that kind of money, with a fair chance that one of them will prove a better provider of goals than Keane.

    It may not be an entirely logical position to take, to be honest – but I just find it a lot more exciting than the old model of signing a ‘name’ who is probably on his way down. Where’s the fun in knowing that each match probably represents a worse chance of a good performance than the last from a player?

  27. BTW, Worky – love the article; must’ve taken ages to put together… but frustrated ‘cos I’m on a secure network which won’t play the vids! Ho hum – summat for this evening, I spose.

  28. Gotta agree with you again there Whumpie, if we were in for the 26/7 yr old Keane it’d be a different story, always rated and liked the player, but the point you make about each performance probably representing some form of devolution at that age is a good one. I want us to get Albin personally- one of the only transfer rumours that actually had a quote from the player talking about Newcastle.

  29. Jon-Jo shelvey from charlton would have been good, but it looks like he’s going to play for liverpools reserves, what a shame

  30. jay jay,
    although he’ll probably walk straight into liverpool’s under achievers.
    Owt’s better than most of they’ve got right now.
    :)

  31. Na to keane,
    his best days behind him, moans to much if not playing & would upset the team spirit.

  32. Am I the only one who thinks our current strikers really aren’t going to struggle too badly in the prem? I’d understand if CH wanted to buy in a definite ‘lead striker’ but I don’t think it’ll be the end of the world if we don’t, as long as we’re only looking at consolidating our position and not expecting to compete with the top teams.

    Dunno – praps I’m just naive and have the ol’ rose-tinters on again today.

  33. Talking of Liverpool’s under-achievers, it looks like they may consider sacking their much-loved manager because he’s finished a season just outside a champs league spot and hasn’t won any cups for a while. Sound familiar?

    Big mistake. Huge. Anyone looking at us since Sir Bobby went should know that.

  34. We were on a downward slide at the end with Sir Bobby anyway, the only mistake was who we replaced him with.

  35. transfer targets! we dont wont to be getting players in who are not are first choice targets. just buying for the sake of it. are season has finished we should be doing deals now not waiting for meetings with ashley to see what money we have we dont wont other clubs jumping ahead of us becasue as believed not going to pay the wages of other clubs so we must get in from the start before the player thinks newcastle might be a better club! but they are going to pay me a lot more and nowdays they go for money.

  36. asim
    are you a wum from Sunderland or something? come on man, you talk that much gash you must be!!

  37. You guys are just so bizarre!

    The type of players you’re talking about getting don’t exist, and if they do they get snapped up by the likes of Liverpool ie The young lad from Charlton.

    You seem to think that there are lots and lots of brilliant young players out there, who will cost next to nothing and won’t want a big salary.

    The criteria set by some on here reduce the pool of players we can attract by about 50%.

    Wake up please!

  38. Stuart mate it’s really not that bizarre to want to sign young, hungry players. They don’t have to be potentially world class or anything, just fresh, cheap(er) and ambitious. What is so hard to understand about that?

  39. Nothing if you’re happy taking a risk on every signing.

    You could ebd up spending £15m on 10 young players and only one makes it.

    Great plan!

  40. Or we could w@nk a load of cash on 1 or 2 players, neither works out so we are out of pocket.

    Grean plan!

  41. toonsy,

    Why would you do that?

    You have a better chance of getting better performances from proven players. That’s what we need.

    I’m not saying ignore the youth – We need to bring young players in to suppliment proven players.

    I think we obviously have fundamental differences in the way to go forward.

    I’m happy to except that.

  42. Stu – And I’m not saying to ignore proven players either. Buy your wanting to spend £20 million PLUS any surplus on players just isn’t going to happen. We haven’t got any surplus, and wont have until this time next year, and that is only if we stop up.

    Realistically, the solution is somewhere in the middle our argument.

    Can you blame people for wanting something a little different after last years established, expensive, handsomely paid stars let us down so badly?

  43. More down to the managers who was spending the money.

    Can we really blame the players if they weren’t good enough or got injured?

    It wasn’t their fault they were either injured or not good enough – Blame the man who choose players I say.

    Issues in the past have been about the lack of scouting, the lack of detail we have had about potential new players and the serious issues we’ve had with injuries. I can only blame the training schedules.

  44. Stuart79 says:
    April 28, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    “Can we really blame the players if they weren’t good enough or got injured?”

    In your heart of hearts you know that is bollocks. That team last season should never have got relegated on paper. They did, they let us down and most didn’t give a toss about it.

    Scouting shouldn’t really come into as much with established players anyway should it? I mean when you buy players like Owen, Duff, Viduka who have all done it over a number of years at PL level, you kind of know what your gonna get. We didn’t, yet other clubs do, so it isn’t their ability that should be questioned as they still have that. It’s the attitude of them whilst they were here that should be scrutinised.

  45. toonsy says:
    April 28, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    “Scouting shouldn’t really come into as much with established players anyway should it? I mean when you buy players like Owen, Duff, Viduka who have all done it over a number of years at PL level, you kind of know what your gonna get. We didn’t, yet other clubs do, so it isn’t their ability that should be questioned as they still have that. It’s the attitude of them whilst they were here that should be scrutinised.”

    Eh, Toonsy? Surely if they’re fine at other clubs, then there’s more likely to be something wrong with the club itself. We were a comedy club that no top manager would have touched with a bargepole, a comedy club that thought it could get away with employing managers who haven’t worked as managers for several years, a comedy club that thought it could get away having five managerial changes in a season, then wonder why the players seemed disjointed and lacking in leadership. Of course we were going to get relegated.

  46. Yes, but these were/are established professionals who should be able to focus on their peformances on the pitch.

    Of course I can understand that circumstances wouldn’t have been great for them last season. But when we needed a leader on the field these established international, seasoned professionals didn’t have the balls. I mean if experience is that improtant, why didn’t one player take the bull by the horns and try to give it a go?

  47. toonsy says:
    April 28, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    “Scouting shouldn’t really come into as much with established players anyway should it? I mean when you buy players like Owen, Duff, Viduka who have all done it over a number of years at PL level, you kind of know what your gonna get.”

    Yes we should have known what we were going to get – Owen had injury problems over his career and Viduka hardly played at Middlesbrough after September until April – It was a running joke at the Boro.

    Both them players were injury prone – Why didn’t we know that? We spent a small fortune on them – Who’s fault? Not theirs!

    Even with established, proven players you have to do your homework – What’s their personal life like? What’s their injury record? What’s their personality like?

    All these things need asking – But obviously we didn’t do much asking.

    I remember Sir Bobby Robson saying he asked Ashley who had done the scouting on R Taylor and Nolan when we bought them and Ashley said “Scouting? No one!”.

    Utterly ridiculous!

  48. Owen had a very unfortunate couple of injuries, nowt like any others he’d had-Totally unforeseeable, one while playing in the WCup for england.
    Anyway, FFS should be blamed if anyone.

  49. Indeed CLiNT! FFS has a lot to answer for. Best mistake Ashley mad was not doing due dilligence. If he had he would probably have run a mile.

    Fair enough, we all want to see us be successful and sign top players. but I’d rather we could do it ourselves and not mortgage every asset up to the hilt and risk going bankrupt in the process. I’d rather have a club to support than not have one.

  50. Who didn’t know what Nolan was about?
    No scouting necessary on that one.
    R Taylor was part ex, so money & a player.

  51. toonsy,
    tbh,
    i reckon MA more or less knew what he was getting, otherwise FFS wouldn’t have been selling.
    Never look a gift horse in the mouth, n’ all that.

  52. toonsy says:
    April 28, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    “Yes, but these were/are established professionals who should be able to focus on their peformances on the pitch.”

    So you don’t think it mattered who the manager was? You didn’t think it mattered that constant changes of leadership and different approaches where the players didn’t know if they were coming or going was irrelevant to how the team performed? You didn’t think that a complete lack of contunuity affected the morale of the squad?

    Do you think that managers are irrelevant?

  53. No I don’t think that managers are irrelavent. What I do think is that perhaps one of our established megastars could have taken the bull by the horns, particularly when we were dying at Villa, and shown some leadership and used their experience of international football/European football/top flight football to do something different. What would it have hurt? Their attitide of chasing a game must be different to mine, knowing that they had to get a goal and then doing nothing was embarrasing.

    In the grand scheme of things, yes, managerial changes on the scale of last season didn’t help at all. But when your fighting for your lives for survival in the last game of the season, not one of them stood up and raised their game to do owt to change anything.

  54. toonsy says:
    April 28, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    “But when your fighting for your lives for survival in the last game of the season, not one of them stood up and raised their game to do owt to change anything.”

    Toonsy, it was against Aston Villa, a team who still could have beaten us even if everything in the garden had been much rosier than it was.

    Did you notice the difference between Burnley with Owen Coyle and without him? The difference between Hull before that ritual humiliation by Phil Brown on the pitch, and Hull after that? Newcastle need good, consistent management just the same as other teams, more in fact. The Premiership is so competitive, isn’t it a little arrogant to suggest that we were so good, we could expect to play coherently and survive with a different manager every five minutes?

  55. It has nothing to do with arrogance. More the fact that such a performance is now being deemed as acceptable when in reality it wasn’t. Regardless of manager, I would expect more urgency from a bunch of players who knew the pitfalls if they failed.

    What is the cliche? Something about how anything can happen in a cup final. That was ours, and they failed to produce for it when everything hinged on those XI players on the pitch in that 90 minutes.

    Aston Villa may be better than us, but in a one off game anything can happen, if the players want it enough. Leeds against Man Utd being a prime example.

  56. worky, i totally agree re the importance of the manager! a manager is nearly as important as the whole team itself…..their importance cannot be understated in my mind! our problem is the amount of average managers we have got…thats the main reason along with ashley that we are where we are

    stu, i usually see where you are coming from with most of your points but keane would be a dreadful signing, one of the most over rated players i know of and im irish. he is only decent player,no more no less. he will score a couple of goals in a couple of games every now and then which usually keeps his goal tally up… he is highly inconsistent and he is too expensive (both wages and fee)
    on the other hand, he is a good leader and gives 100%…he is better than all of our forwards but i just dont think it would be a smart move whatsoever

  57. Aye,
    Keane, past his ‘sell by’ but not his ‘use by’ date.
    But not worth the money he would cost or the whining if he didn’t play every game.

  58. TOONSY enjoyed post,sorry but i can not forgive him,had too many false dawns.

    heard that BIG DAVE is even going on holiday with JB going to CUBA to smoke cigars,have to keep my EYE on that like ;)

  59. workyticket says:
    April 28, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    Never thought I’d say this but – I agree with Worky, completely!

  60. we didnt change manager every five mins worky….it was merely five during the course of a whole season

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