Newcastle United: Class of 1993 or 2010 – Which team is better?

Posted on April 14th, 2010 | 114 Comments |

The boys of '93: Better than the boys of 2010?
The boys of '93: Better than the boys of 2010?
It’s a simple question really. Out of the last two promoted Newcastle United sides, which one is better?

Here I am going to try to dissect the two sides and, with your help, try to come up with an answer for that question. Are the romantic memories of the Keegan side that won promotion back in 1993 clouding our view of the set of players we have now? Or is the current team stronger in some more vital areas?

I think from an achievement point of view then obviously the 1993 side trumps it, although the current side should not go without any merits. In fact in many ways the achievement of both teams are very similar. Whilst the current side looks like gaining more points than the 1993 side did, some will point to the fact that we should as our current squad contains more players that have played in the Premier League, get paid a lot more, and as such the expectation of a promotion charge is greater than that of the team of ’93 who were the great over-achievers in some ways.

But that doesn’t tell the whole story and it’s easy to overlook just what this team were faced with after relegation last year. Whilst trying to prepare for this season, not knowing who would be owner, not knowing if they were to be next out if the door, not knowing who the manager was, the reaction of the fans, what the opposition would be like etc. Many, many tests which, to their credit, they have passed with flying colours. On the other hand, the team of ’93 had only just escaped relegation to the third tier of English football the season previously and expectations of mounting a promotion challenge were in the back of the minds of many. We got off to a flying start, the belief flooded through the team and before you know it we were promoted to the Premier League playing a brand of football that was very pleasing on the eye, although sometimes we could be a little ropey at the back.

Anyway, this isn’t about circumstance so let’s get it back to where it matters, which is on the pitch. Lets have a look at each team-sheet to start with:

Newcastle United 1993Pavel Srnicek, John Beresford, Steve Howey, Barry Venison, Kevin Scott, Lee Clark, Rob Lee, Gavin Peacock, Kevin Sheedy, David Kelly, Andy Cole.

Newcastle United 2010Steve Harper, Danny Simpson, Steven Taylor, Fabricio Coloccini, Jose Enrique, Wayne Routledge, Kevin Nolan, Danny Guthrie, Jonas Gutierrez, Andy Carroll, Peter Lovenkrands.

So that is what I would say are our two best teams from their respective era’s, which of course is a question open for debate itself. But which team is better?

My own personal opinion is that this current team is better ability wise and when comparing league tables it also shows we are harder to beat, this time around we have only lost four games compared to eight back in 1993. I just think that the team this time around would be too hard to break down, and even if they did go behind they have the fight about them to get themselves back level. For all of the attacking flair and style that the 1993 side had they were still sometimes vulnerable in the very same league we are plying our trade in now.

Of course football is very different to what it was 17 years ago and whilst we may not have been as entertaining this season, we have certainly proved just as effective, possibly even more effective, and I still reckon that this team would beat the previous promotion winning team.

The debate is on…

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114 Responses

  1. The stats say CH’s team.
    The obstacles were bigger to surmount too.

    Both teams were on the back of a massive boot up the ass.

  2. Worky
    :)
    ;)

    I was trying to be polite.
    :)

    But isn’t that just a long established overarched, doon south, posh way of saying it?
    :)

  3. That lad who was a spurs fan and use to frequent Ed’s blog mentioned that Danny Rose to be quite a player like. That is a stunning goal to mark your debut. That will be a goal of the season contender.

  4. Ross says:
    April 14, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Aye what a goal!

    Nice way to start your career -Against your bitter rivals too. He’ll have instant legend status now.

  5. Evening Folks very interesting thread this But a real hard one do ye vote with yer head or yer heart, I do think our present team is a lot stronger with more experience and are really only putting the wrongs of last year right. KK’s team in my eyes was a greater achievment with less experienced players, so I think I might go for KK’s but that could be my rose tinted glass’s.

  6. CLiNT – I meant Marvin the paranoid android, from Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.

    I’m comparing him to Stu as they both appear to afflicted with depression.

  7. As for the poll, I’m sadly unable to vote given the fact that I was only 5 in ’93 and as good as my memory is, i sadly dont remember THAT much,lol

  8. toonsy says:
    April 14, 2010 at 8:22 pm
    CLiNT – I meant Marvin the paranoid android, from Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.

    That sentance has said everything I need to know about you, toonsy.

    Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy!

    NERD!

    Anyway back to the debate. Individually I would say the current team has better players, more talented and a better work ethic.

    Who would win if they played each other? I would be tempted to say KK’s said only because Hughton’s team do still conceed quite a few chances in matches and a certain Andy Cole could have a field day.

    If he had an off day the current side could well win the contest.

  9. Icedog finished counting it earlier then went and spend it all at B+Q on a new f-ing fence to keep the missus happy anything for a quiet life ;)

    KK it is

  10. Happy nerd though Stu, a nerd that wants to his team do well and not fail like you do just so you can say ‘I told you so’.

    icedog – :lol:

    Catch ya laters.

  11. Big Dave says:
    April 14, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    “Icedog finished counting it earlier then went and spend it all at B+Q on a new f-ing fence to keep the missus happy anything for a quiet life”

    Feck me Dave, is your mrs that bad you have to fence her in? :lol: ;)

  12. I’d be happy too if I were on your drugs!

    See ya toonsy. Off to read his latest edition of galaxies, planets and solar systems.

  13. Why don’t keepers catch the ball anymore? They all seem to punch the ball now, or try to at least.

  14. It’s hard to say, mainly because the likes of Cole and Rob Lee went on to be top players which people will look back at them as rather than how good they were in the first division.

    Howey was a decent player who went on to play for England but at the time he wasn’t better than Coloccini, Taylor or Williamson.

    The more I think about it I think the current side is better, expectations are much higher now though so they won’t be looked at as fondly.

  15. Rangerman says:
    April 14, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    “The more I think about it I think the current side is better, expectations are much higher now though so they won’t be looked at as fondly.”

    Totally agree. The PL wasn’t as much of a closed shop then as it is now.

  16. CLiNT FLiCK says:
    April 14, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    “toonsy,
    ‘Broadway Danny Rose’ is a woody allen movie, ask worky, he’ll know.”

    It is indeed, Clint.

  17. It’s the gloves Stuart, they’re too big to grip the ball properly & feel what’s going on at the same time.
    That & the ball swerves too much now too.

    Sorry,
    why goalies don’t catch the ball anymore.
    :)

  18. clint talking keepers,can you remember s/lands monty good shot stopper but anything over 25-30yds didnt have a clue,worse under flood-lights,had some laughs like

  19. Sir Kevin and his team all the way for me.

    Wish he was still here – pity Ashley turned out, by his own admission, to be a lying tw*t but there y’go

  20. Aye ice,
    he did single-handedly beat leeds in the cup like, what a boss eyed curly top scum sucker.
    :)

  21. ICE,
    y’right there mate.
    Still giving the game a bad name after all these years.
    dirty leeds, filthy millwall.
    yuk!

  22. Gotta be ’93 for me. Guess that comes as no surprise?

    We should remember that the ’93 side had plenty of experience though, just reading the article and comments, it’s being suggested that this current side has more experience. Not so sure about that!

  23. icedog says:
    April 14, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    “glad we are out of ccc,if only not to run into leeds/millwall fans they are right thugs”

    I used to know one of the Leeds ones very well, icedog. He was a bit of a naughty boy, but he was also extremely intelligent and studied Taoism and Tai Chi Chuan.

  24. I have to say watching the spurs arsenal game we really should be aspiring to get the quality of players that’s on display in this game. The touch, pace, movement and skill really is good to watch.

  25. CH team, simply because we have Nicky “The Great” Butt and Leon “The” Best!

  26. icedog says:
    April 14, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    “worky,theres always one exception to the rule”

    There were several exceptions, icedog, but Mick was the radgiest. I knew them all when I lived in Harrogate in the ‘eighties. The highlight of my trips to Elland Road back then was when I saw Cloughie’s great Forest team. I won’t forget that.

  27. Ahm ready for this dee to be done like. It’s only 4;10 here. Blah. I’m so over work today.

    Hughton’s team I think would beat Keegan’s simply because we’re not as vulnerable. They’d bag a goal, but I bet we’d win 2-1. Guiterrez to score from the flank exactly like Jose’s first goal. After looking at the history and that stats, I think the back four was a little weak on Keegan’s team. Hughton’s squad has more balance and has a LOT of determination.

    But Keegan’s team was legendary. So was Keegan.

  28. Spurs are the best club ever ever ever!! Spurs can beat any team in the world (and elsewhere).

    Spurs Spurs Spurs!!

    We’re Cockneys and we can’t talk right!!

  29. Credit to CH as he is the only NUFC manager to get the Toon promoted at the first attempt.

  30. Tough one, but I went for the 93 side, srnicek, howey, lee, cole and Kelly, a better spine than harper, colo, Nolan, Carroll in my opinion.

  31. difference is that KK ditched a load of the promotion lads …. will hughton have the balls to do ame, i reckon he will

  32. Spurs are the best club ever ever ever!! Spurs can beat any team in the world (and elsewhere).

    Spurs Spurs Spurs!!

    We’re Cockneys and we can’t talk right!!

    :)

  33. i kin hate spurs – they’re sh1te even after spending 80 million – i dont care that overall they made a profit by selling berbatov

  34. Keegans team

    Because Keegans had the likes of Rob lee and Andy Cole who were both top class and other players who were more than capable of being in a european spot where as this team has players that may be be good enough for top 10 and the rest are a bit iffy.

  35. off topic – but we should be voting for nolan as player of season – yeah he’s fat and slow but his 17/18 goals this season have been key to us winning the championship
    worrying thing is that if fatty can score 17 goals why can’t shola/ carroll / lovenkrands score double that
    he’s also running the team from a dressing room perspective by all accoun ts

  36. Clint- lol

    More like,

    Who ate all the pies
    Kevin Nolan

    lmfao :D

    Seriously though- definite CCC player of the year. And he’s not really that fat. Just look at professional baseball.

  37. I think this question should answer the header question

    Which Class of Newcastle United attract most fans 1993 or 2010 ?

  38. Do we need that much of players???? LOL’D.

    Newcastle United owner Mike Ashley held budget talks with manager Chris Hughton and club secretary Lee Charnley on Wednesday.

    Hughton wants around 10 players to help Newcastle survive in the Premier League next season but Ashley is believed to have earmarked only £15m for spending.

    Swindon’s Charlie Austin, Blackpool’s Charlie Adam, Aston Villa’s Marlon Harewood and Marc Wilson of Portsmouth are among targets.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1266042/Chris-Hughton-handed-15m-transfer-kitty-budget-talks-Newcastle-owner-Mike-Ashley.html?ITO=1490&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailymail%2Fnewcastle+%28Newcastle+FC+|+Mail+Online%29

  39. KK’s team for me. They were playing some beautiful football. Nice passing game and lots of attack. But we do have some really good uns in our present team and this team has been able to win ‘ugly’ when it has counted.

  40. Some how I think that Daily Mail story is a load of old b*llocks as Chris Hughton never tells the press anything of use, Mike Ashley never even speaks to the press so its just muck-raking as usual.

    Hughton’s team is better than Keegan’s team but I’d rather watch Keegan’s team.

  41. Keegans team for me n’all, purely for nostalgic reasons.

    Besides, it had Rob Lee in it, one of my fav players to wear the toon shirt!

  42. For me the difference between the two sides is that the current one has goals scored from throughout the team whilst the former had Cole the goal machine.
    When they got rid of David Kelly i was gutted, one of my favourite players and they bought modestly in Malcolm Allen, i was at Old Trafford when we first went up and although a humping was forecast we played quite well for a draw.
    We need to keep the majority of this squad, jettison the old legs and spend wisely on proven British based players, no gambles and no Hollywood type signings.
    If Birmingham can hold their own in mid table with Fatty Carr and Bowyer in their side, i think it shows that the top flight is not as daunting a task as some make it out to be.

  43. Anyone hear Chris Hughton on TalkSport this morning?

    Got to hand it to him, he’s good with the media – His words weren’t to encouraging though.

    Reality is sinking in.

  44. Suart, maybe if they send the message out to prospective selling clubs that we are not in a position to pay fortunes out for players, we wont get ripped off like we have in the past.

  45. Could be, although every club has tried that in the past and they have still had to pa top dollar.

    I imagine he has just been told there’s virtually no money to spend – So be it.

    I’m done worrying about it to be honest.

  46. Couple of things to note, it depends on what we’re comparing? Just the promotion season? From my recollection, that side had quality players but didn’t always play the stuff that everyone seems to remember. That was a year or so later. But the promotion season was still full of good football and decent results.

    And bob, we scored goals throughout the team in ’93? Peacock, Kelly, Clarkie, Sheedy, Sellars, Rob Lee!! Cole only came part way through and got 14 or 15 didn’t he?

    Still prefer to watch that side all day long though!!

    Class of ’93 weren’t nessarily streets ahead in terms of attractive football.

  47. Has to be Keegan’s team. Cole is MILES better than any striker we have now, and there’s wasn’t a weak link in Keegan’s team either.

  48. Johno Toon says:
    April 15, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Only because of what’s been coming out of the club. Llambias has said there won’t be too much, Hughton has said that he doesn’t think the current squad needs much altering and he said the days of big transfer kitty’s are over for the club.

    Well he actually said there over for all clubs – How he knows the economics of other clubs is beyond me, probably trying to make us feel better.

    Although what’s a big transfer kitty? I don’t think £20m is big – Is he referring to £50m? If he is, he’s right, but if he thinks £20m is big it’s strange.

    Kind of makes a mockery of having one single wealthy owner really. What’s the point?

  49. Struart I think you just have to look at the jan transfer window to show clubs arent spending money as they use to be.

    I think there will be funds to strenghten the team , I dunno how much , but as I have said before id be more than happy with our current squad

    Like every club , we do need to strenghten but i dont think major surgury is required

  50. Peter Beardsley, Phillip Albert, Marc Hottiger, Paul Kitson, Paul Bracewell, Ruel Fox.
    These are the players Keegan brought back in for the first year after promotion.

    In all honesty, I think, bar Andy Cole and Rob Lee, the teams were pretty even. But 1993 was slightly better…

    However, if we can bring in players of Beardsley’s and Albert’s callibre, then that would certainly help us.
    And it also proves that sometimes, buying only youth isn’t always the best plan.

    Look what a fanstic bargain buy older players like Peter Beardsley, Danny Murphy, etc can prove to be…

    I think if those bargains come around, and the players are still hungry. Adding one or two players of experience could only do us good.
    The rest can all be youngsters with talent, thats fine.

  51. JJ,

    The club have said that them type of players aren’t what we’ll be bringing in.

    Under 26 with a sell on value only. Makes perfect sense to an accountant, maybe not to the manager though.

    I will certainly be interested in the amount of money spent this summer by all clubs.

    People are making the point that there won’t be that much money about so I think it could be perfectly plausible that clubs don’t let their players leave.

  52. the team KK built that won the first division would beat this team every day of the week.

    ….just my opinion – but i’m right.

  53. Komfort, I think Cole could have had a field day. But if he had a bad day the current team could grind out the result.

  54. aye stuart , if they got them on a bad day they could possibly grind a 0 – 0 out at best.

    ..all credit to CH but this league is terrible & the toon have a lot of prem class ? players , so we are where we should be.

  55. Dear Magpies Fans,

    Ask all of your opinion’s/

    Would you rather smoggies win WBA this coming saturday or WBA to win the smoggies.

    It is a weird weird dilemma~~~~

  56. One one front Keegan’s job was harder. He had to lift the spirits of a team nearly dropping to the 3rd level with virtually no time to do it. On another it was easier, his revolving door for players when not being constrained by transfer windows.

    I’m thinking of the likes of Killer Kincline, brought in and immediately made captain to help shore up the ship one season; the next season bringing in the likes of Malcolm Allen the toothless wonder as a stop gap when injuries kicked in, who then went on to bag a pile of important goals. Also ditching the likes of Ned Kelly

    Both Keegan and Hughton have proven to be inspirational managers, albeit by two totally different approaches. Keegan proved to be a great recruiter of players, having the both the backing of the club and his personality to act as a draw. Whether Hughton has the same knack in his quiet understated style or indeed will get the same backing form the club, the jury is still out. I wish him well…

  57. bowburnmag says:
    April 15, 2010 at 10:44 am

    “it depends on what we’re comparing? Just the promotion season? From my recollection, that side had quality players but didn’t always play the stuff that everyone seems to remember.”

    Your recollection is correct, Bowburn. Perhaps some people are letting memories of the later Keegan Premiership side creep in?

  58. This is a list of players in the ‘correct’ age category and reasonable price range that I think we could attract to the club, either as cover or (***) first choice players…

    Patrick Van Aanholt (LB)
    Danny Welbeck (ST)
    *** Carlos Vela (ST)
    *** Alan Hutton (DR)
    Kyle Naughton (DR)
    James Vaughan (ST)
    ***Philippe Senderos (DC)
    *** James McFadden (ST)
    *** Sebastian Larsson (MR)
    *** Kevin Doyle (ST)
    Michael Kightly (AM)
    *** Carlton Cole (ST)
    Steven Fletcher (ST)
    *** Stephen Hunt (ML/C)
    *** Jamie O’Hara (MC)
    *** Graham Dorrans (AM)
    James Perch (AM)
    Joe Ledley (AM)
    Peter Whittingham (AM)
    Matt Fryatt (ST)
    Charlie Adam (AM)
    David Wheater (DC)
    *** Per Mertesacker (DC)
    *** Marcell Jansen (MC)
    *** Stefan Kießling (ST)
    *** Lucas Barrios (ST)
    *** Aaron Hunt (ST)
    *** Zvjezdan Misimovic (MC)
    Marco Marin (MC)
    *** Mesut Özil (MC)
    *** Jefferson Farfan (ST)
    *** Asamoah Gyan (ST)
    *** Loïc Remy (AM)
    *** Gervinho (ST)
    *** Yoann Gourcuff (AM)
    *** Marcus Berg (ST)

  59. JJ, most, if not all of those players currently have clubs they are playing for.
    Take the Wolves players – Kightly and Doyle. Do you think Wolves would let them go for anything less than £10m each. Doyle is a brilliant player, but £20m on two players. Not a chance. If we really believe that CH will only have £20m to spend, then that’s all of his cash gone.
    The only way those players would come cheaper would be if Wolves were relegated. Not going to happen.

    As for the original question. Today’s team would beat the 93 team. It wouldn’t be a goal fest, but I think they would edge it. Remember Andy Cole didn’t have to face many defences in the championship as good as ours currently is. I think todays team gets a bit of a bad press from some supporters and remembering the Keegan years is like all past memories, they aren’t a great as you think they are and should not be analysed and are best left in the past.

  60. workyticket says:
    April 15, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    “Your recollection is correct, Bowburn. Perhaps some people are letting memories of the later Keegan Premiership side creep in?”

    – Perhaps some people are forgetting some of the godawful performances we’ve put in this season. Later on in the season we’ve played better, but some of the football has been terrible, and Keegan’s team would have stuffed us.

  61. To put into perspective what I mean, John “Bez” Beresford was one of my favorite players in that team along with Ned Kelly. Neither were as good as their counterparts in todays team, and Kelly is still one of my favourite NUFC players.

  62. Good debate.

    Difficult indeed. Statistics would suggest 2010 team while Keegan apologists would say 1993.

    I will look at the statistics as they are a tangible barometer by which we can measure performance over a season. However, this campaign we have have players with significant premiership experience playing in the championship for us but let this not deter me from my previous response.

    Class 2010!

  63. Worky’s bang on, as per.
    Many mix the ’93 promotion team with the later prem team.

    Micky toon’s about right too.

    kk’s team would lose it in the final minutes, at the final hurdle, like they always did, reflecting his achilles heal & ultimately flawed personality & therefore management style.
    ;)

  64. “Micky Toon says:
    April 15, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    JJ, most, if not all of those players currently have clubs they are playing for.”

    Micky, I would have thought, most players have club’s that they play for…
    My point is, these are players that would improve our team if we stumped up the cash for them. Of course there are a lot that won’t come because we don’t have that kind of money to spend. But we only need say four or five of them. Say two key players (Gervinho, Hutton) and three for depth (O’Hara, Adam, and Vela (loan))…
    I’m basically saying their are enough decent players that we can attract to build a good squad if Ashley does invest wisely.

  65. JJ says:
    April 15, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Christ on a bike! You been on Championship Manager or what? lol

    All them players would probably cost a little bit too much if we were looking at adding 3 or 4 from that list.

  66. Lol,

    No. I actually went through every Premiership, Championship, Bundesliga, and French Liga team to see which players I think would come if we offered for them…

    Hell, its my day off, and there was nothing else to do ;-)

    Or though come to think of it. FM would have made it easier…

  67. “kk’s team would lose it in the final minutes, at the final hurdle, like they always did, reflecting his achilles heal & ultimately flawed personality & therefore management style.”

    8O

    Cad!!!!

    For those comments and for attributing worky and not me with that insightful view about KK’s team. Though the all-seeing eye did confirm it for me.

  68. hopefully we have an Andy Cole in Carroll and a Rob Lee in Guthrie!
    i’ll be very happy with that!
    ’93 team were really good to watch, this year’s been more of a graft to be honest. still it’s a decent base to bring in some creative players… /hint hint Ashley

  69. bowburnmag says:
    April 15, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    “Cad!!!!

    For those comments and for attributing worky and not me with that insightful view about KK’s team.”

    Bowburn, I think Clint was referring to my observation that some people may be conflating Keegan’s promoted side with the later Premiership one that included Ginola, Sir Les and the rest.

  70. That was my point as well though!! I said…

    “From my recollection, that side had quality players but didn’t always play the stuff that everyone seems to remember. That was a year or so later.”

    I want credit dammit!!

  71. I see Liverpool are officially up for sale.

    That’ll be another club bought by an extremely wealthy individual – Hope they have better look than us!

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