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Whatever happened to the class of 1993?

Posted on April 17th, 2010 | 200 Comments |

Class of 1993: What happened to them?
Class of 1993: What happened to them?
The other day I wrote an article debating which team would come out on top in a match between the promotion side of 1993 and the promotion side of 2010.

The response was mixed, although the poll is still open, and opinion was pretty evenly split when deciding just which team is stronger and what the outcome would be. Would the attacking style that started to show itself back then triumph over the rock solid, never-say-die attitude of today’s team? Plenty of debate took place amidst an awful lot of reminiscing. However, that got me thinking about what happened to some of that team from 1993?

It is well known what happened with some of the team, especially the likes of Rob Lee, Andy Cole, and Lee Clark, but what about the rest? Is 17 years enough time to forget just how the careers of those players panned out after leaving us? I thought I would track back and take a look at the fortunes of some of the players and just what twist their career path took after 1993.

Pavel Srnicek – Stayed with us until 1998 before briefly returning to his former club Banik Ostrava. He was soon back in England plying his trade with Sheffield Wednesday where he stayed for two years. Spells at Brescia, AS Cosenza, Portsmouth, West Ham and Beira-Mar followed before making an emotional return to Newcastle back in 2006. Now retired, he runs a goalkeeping academy back in his native Czech Republic.

John Beresford – Another who stayed until 1998 before departing to join Southampton where he injured his cruciate ligament. He struggled to overcome that particular injury and ultimately it ended in retirement. John now works as a pundit for ESPN.

Steve Howey – Moved to Manchester City in 2000 and spent 3 years there before moving to Leicester, Bolton, New England Revolution in the US of A before finishing up at Hartlepool in 2005. Howey now works on BBC Newcastle.

Barry Venison – Moved on in 1995 where he met up with Graeme Souness at Galatasary. Souness lost his job in Turkey and Venison soon followed him back to the UK to play for Southampton before being forced to retire at the age of 32 with a back injury. Barry now works as a pundit for ITV.

Kevin Scott – Moved to Tottenham in 1994 but failed to establish himself as a first team regular. Spells at Charlton and Port Vale followed before spending three years at Norwich City. He finished his professional career on loan at Darlington before moving on to play amateur football. Kevin now splits his time working at the Middlesbrough academy and working as a part-time driving instructor.

Lee Clark – Moved to sworn enemies Sunderland in 1997. Spent two years playing for the Wearside tramps before moving to Fulham in 1999 where he spent six seasons before returning home to play for Newcastle and learn his trade as a coach. Clark is now manager of League 1 Huddersfield Town.

Rob Lee – Stayed with The Toon until 2002 before moving to Derby County for two seasons. Spells at West Ham, Oldham and Wycombe followed before he retired. He now work as a pundit for a Singaporean football channel whilst making the odd appearance in charity matches from time to time.

Gavin Peacock – A casualty of our promotion and moved to Chelsea for £1.5 million in 1993. Stayed there until 1996 before moving to QPR where he spent six seasons, including a brief loan spell at Charlton, before retiring in 2002. Peacock is now studying to be a pastor, vicar or minister in Canada.

Kevin Sheedy – Another casualty of promotion. Moved to Blackpool in 1993 where he spent one season before retiring. Sheedy is now a coach at Everton having spent time as an assistant manager at both Tranmere and Hartlepool.

David Kelly – Yet another promotion casualty that move to Wolves in 1993. He spent two seasons in the Black Country before moving to Sunderland in 1995. Two seasons later he moved again, this time to Tranmere where he spent three seasons. Spells at Sheffield United, Motherwell, Mansfield Town and Derry City followed before retiring in 2002. ‘Ned’ is now assistant manager at Nottingham Forest.

Andy Cole – Controversially sold to Manchester United in 1995 where he stayed until 2001 picking up numerous trophies on the way. Another three years were spent at Blackburn Rovers before brief spells at Fulham, Manchester City, Portsmouth, Birmingham, Sunderland and Burnley before finishing at Nottingham Forest in 2008. Andy Cole is now a part-time coach working with Lee Clark at Huddersfield.

So there you go. It’s interesting to see just how things panned out for the class of 1993 and whilst some made it to the big time, others didn’t. It’s also nice to see what they are up to nowadays and there should be some surprises in there for you.

Happy reading!

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200 Responses

  1. Good read toons.

    What about Killa, Brace and Salty Sellars though? Three of my favourites from back in the day.

  2. I know football money is a different world these days but you find it hard to believe players retire and have to take up being a driver instructor. It seems unreal that you can earn £10,000 a week or more and still need to work after it all.

    Unless he got injured young or driving instructing is a passion of his…

  3. Gavin (Peacock) is still out in Canada, came home part way through last year, but went back out September time.

    He said that one of his big regres was moving to Chelsea when he did. They wanted to get back home to be closer to their parents, but he said a few months later that wold have been better if he had stayed up here.

    Speaking of Chelsea, I went down to Leeds v Chelsea the season after he moved. Hoddle banned him from alking to me after the game as Keegan was there as well, he thought that me & Keegan together could talk him into moving back. He did talk to me and got a fine.

    Speaking of that, funny story, never started a crowd song at St James’ but I did there sittin amongst the Chelsea fans. I started a chant of only one Kevin Keegan and the Blaydon Races when Chelsea were 4-0 down, my mate who came with me was horrified. Later on towards the end of the game when the 2 sets of fans were kicking off, we left 5 mins early to go into the players lounge, down side was I had the car and couldn’t drink!!

  4. Liam O’Brien joined Newcastle United in a £275,000 move after 36 appearances (31 in the League) & two goals for Manchester United.

    His career at St James’ Park brought mixed fortunes. O’Brien suffered relegation from the top flight in the 1988–89 season. However, he played a major role as Newcastle won the First Division title in 1993, making 33 appearances and scoring six goals.

    He is currently assistant manager of Bohemians

  5. When was the last time you saw Barry Venison on ITV? Apparently he now lives in California making a living as a property developer.

  6. According to Wiki:

    In retirement, Venison took up punditry for Sky Sports before moving to ITV and though he expressed articulate and knowledgeable views on the game, his on-screen performances were overshadowed by his rather flamboyant and garish clothing, combined with a streaked-blonde “mullet” hairstyle which he had sported throughout his playing days. He also popularised the phrase “It’s just one man’s opinion”, before he eventually dressed more soberly for television and had a haircut. He later revealed he had rejected a TV role as lead reporter for a new show entitled Mullet Hunter.

    Venison now resides in Southern California with his family, wife Julie, son Max and daughter Jade.

    Venison also made an appearance as himself in the 2001 comedy film, Mike Bassett: England Manager.[1][2]

  7. UTD111 – I wouldn’t care, part of the reason I mentioned those three earlier was because I saw Liam O’ in the photo but I forgot to mention him. Good to see what he’s up to.

    By the way, I was waiting for you to pull toonsy up on the ‘King Kev’ thing on the other article. You didn’t disappoint ;)

  8. Bowburnmag, he is. Haven’t seen much of him lately with him being out in Canada, but he seems to be enjoying it.

    Those were the days mind, free tickets for the games instead of shelling out £600 a year for a season ticket, but I couldn’t not go, worth the money no matter how we play

  9. bowburnmag says:
    April 17, 2010 at 11:04 pm
    UTD111 – I wouldn’t care, part of the reason I mentioned those three earlier was because I saw Liam O’ in the photo but I forgot to mention him. Good to see what he’s up to.

    By the way, I was waiting for you to pull toonsy up on the ‘King Kev’ thing on the other article. You didn’t disappoint
    ___________________________________________

    Aye Bowburn – I saw him in the photo and thought “what the fook???? LOL

    And you’re right. There’s only one King Kev – but you can’t tell these bairns tut! LOL

  10. …and ‘Big Dave’, al fkn have yee anarl.

    anar where ye live, ye fkn specky-fiessed butt munch.

    UTD11 – divnt giviz that man, ye can quote “oooh mummy says wiki” as leng as ye like sonnah, but yeel get nowt past me like.

    ….RRRRAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

  11. ……hahahaha….

    ….the irony of my comments.

    ….always awaiting moderation.

    Life eh?

    …..fkn great.

  12. Dave – thing with Steve Watson was that he played pretty much everywhere when he was younger. So it was hard to fit him in.

    He left us in 1998 to got to Villa, then Everton, the West Brom and finallt Sheffield Wednesday. He was released from his contract last summer.

  13. bowburn – Bracewell went to Sunderland and Fulham after us. Worked as sssistant under Keegan under Fulham before becoming full time manager fo a season. Then got the manager job at Halifax, got them relegated out of the football league which force them into bankruptcy and eventually into folding and forming a new club.

    Sellars – Went to Bolton, then to Huddersfield, Aarhus (not Argos) and Mansfield Town. He was assistant manager at Chesterfield until last season.

    Kilcline – Moved to Swindon, Mansfield then Halifax. He travelled the globe before settling down near Huddersfield and still plays footie for charity and does the odd bit of coaching.

  14. bowburnmag says:
    April 17, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    “By the way, I was waiting for you to pull toonsy up on the ‘King Kev’ thing on the other article. You didn’t disappoint”

    ;)

  15. See, you mock me for sayin King Kevin Nolan, yet he is the one getting linked to Arsenal in todays paper :lol:

  16. Ha! How ironic would that be, if Wenger wanted Nolan to beef his team up after complaining about him for years. Can’t see Kev fitting in with the slick Arsenal model. Are we linked with Fabregas and they’re implying a swap deal! Only if they chuck in a youngster or a couple of mil on top…

  17. bowburn – “In midfield, Wenger clearly wants to add a combative edge and Kevin Nolan of Newcastle has made a huge impact in the Championship. He has been the inspiration behind the club’s immediate return to the Premier League.

    At 28, Nolan is older than Wenger’s usual targets but he has a steely side to his game and that is what Wenger feels has been lacking.”

    I know I rate Nolan, but I mean come on, Arsenal, seriously? Howay man. Gotta love silly season :lol:

  18. Toonsy

    Think the key words in your Nolan bit there were “getting linked to Arsenal in today’s paper….”

    I mean, don’t get me wrong – newspapers do have a use….when you run out of bogroll for example or if you have a new puppy in the hoose :)

  19. Ha, I’ve heard everything now, Nolan for Arsenal purlease and Toonsy please don’t refer to him as King Kev – there will only ever be one associated with Newcastle and despite his good season I’m afraid its not him. Hacked off I won’t be home for the Plymouth game, still stuck overseas. Would someone be kind enough to post the link tomorrow?

  20. Mirror says Wenger interested in Nolan?
    I think he wants to add some steel to his midfield – trouble is, is rusty iron the same as steel?
    What next? Barca in for Smudger to teach Messi how to add pace and finishing prowess to his talents?
    I think the reporter definitely spent too much time in the bar for this one….

  21. Nolan – Arsenal? HA!

    We’ve not been linked with many players this morning, if any. Journo’s probably know they’ll be wasting their time linking us with anyone.

  22. Stu – The papers have bigger fish to fry with Liverpool at the minute.

    So far they have an Arab billionaire, an Indian billionaire, a Russian oligarch all linked with buying the club. Sound familiar?

  23. nolan can only play in a five man midfield for his goals that what we need is goals in the prem the more goal people in the team who can score instead of miss. to me the problem we will have is playing him with him and somebody else in the prem that could only work against bottom teams or we will get over run and exposed. i think we need to play 80% of are games with 5 man midfield with what we have got at the minute.

  24. Toonsy – what about the south african consortium, have they been linked with Liverpool yet??

    Oh I do hope they turn up, they were my favourites, they really were :)

  25. s/land being linked with messi,and mr tickle,mr happy,mr blobby etc oh what fun the press have at this time of year

  26. geordie deb says:
    April 18, 2010 at 9:26 am

    “and Toonsy please don’t refer to him as King Kev – there will only ever be one associated with Newcastle and despite his good season I’m afraid its not him.”

    Are you serious, Deb?

  27. icedog says:
    April 18, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    “s/land being linked with messi,and mr tickle,mr happy,mr blobby etc oh what fun the press have at this time of year”

    Icedog, what about Nolan to Arsenal? ;)

  28. TOONSY,tell you how true it is,if it comes off,i”ll put my boots back and turn out for gateshead,w.auckland again as the first oap player

  29. According to some media outlets Spurs have been hawking Robbie Keane to every club in the country.

    Someone will get a good striker there I think.

  30. icedog – Just what I have heard from a few Villa fans I know, one of them I work with. Hr started trying to take the micky saying Keane wouldn’t go to a small club like ours. So I picked my nose, dunked my finger in his coffee and walked off.

    Apologies if anyone is eating their dinner ;)

  31. Stu – Just because a deal may have been agreed it doesn’t mean cash has exchanged hands does it? Perhaps they equally have players leaving such as Milner and Young, both of whom are being linked with moves away.

  32. TOONSY,back to your pet subject,HICKS saying he will only take 800mil for l/pool plus 270mil dept plus new 250mil for new ground,thats a bomb of money,pity we could”nt a get one for him like :)

  33. toonsy,

    Dunno why they would agree a deal if they weren’t even sure they had the money.
    Doubt Keane would agree to that either – He could be left high and dry if it falls through.

    He’ll be one of the best players available this summer – We should try and get him on loan.

  34. Stu – On loan I would take him, it’s a no-brainer. When fees of £10 million get mentioned though I wouldn’t.

    icedog – Like I said, the sooner Liverpool FC get wiped off the face of the planet, the better!

  35. icedog says:
    April 18, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    We’ll find out how hard it really is to sell a football club now.

    Anyone buying Liverpool will need minimum of £400m (purchase price) £250M (Debt) and £400m (New stadium).

    That’s more than £1b before you’ve even looked at the playing squad. Nobody in the history of the game has spent that much on a football club as of yet.

    If they get sold it makes a mockery of the theory that nobody is buying football clubs today – Just the vast outlay needed makes it not to attractive for anyone, you would think.

  36. toonsy says:
    April 18, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Do you not think he’s worth £10m?

    I would happily pay £7m for a player as good and as established in the PL as him. Think Spurs would be looking for more though.

  37. I just think £10 million for a plyer who will be 30 the time next season kicks off is too much.

    Plus it takes a huge chunk of that £15 million budget that people think we will have ;)

  38. STUART79,no m8 hicks saying last night 800mil just as the purchase price,then the add ons,mans unreal

  39. Well I don’t think anybody would expect us to sign anyone for £10m if we only have £15m to spend.

    Maybe we could be missing a trick this summer? Everyone keeps saying that players will be available for cheaper fees, but we have a really meagre budget(Allegedly).

    Maybe this summer would be an opportunity to make hay while the sun shined…?

  40. Icedog – £660 million is what they want. What they want and what they can get are 2 different things though ;)

  41. Stuart79 says:
    April 18, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    “Anyone buying Liverpool will need minimum of £400m (purchase price) £250M (Debt) and £400m (New stadium).”

    That’s too much.

  42. TOONSY,do you belive 15mil is the real budget or press talk,best say nowt imo,unlike b/ham who say they 40mil to spend wonder who will get screwed

  43. toonsy says:
    April 18, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    “Icedog – £660 million is what they want. What they want and what they can get are 2 different things though”

    That’s way too much.

  44. workyticket says:
    April 18, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    “That’s way too much.”

    Agreed, although it did make me chuckle how Hicks and Gillett compared Liverpool to Weetabix in that particular interview :lol:

    If I was a Weetabix I would be offended!

  45. theres no way the yanks will get that price,fk me you could get manure for that…off topic..anyone got any info on our strip for next season

  46. WORKY my comment@80 y/day, i will add,your a number of bloggers hero with your look-backs and the blog (three amigios)should be voted best blog for 2009/2010 season,any chance of digging out 69 fairs cup games ?

  47. Workytcket

    geordie deb says:
    April 18, 2010 at 9:26 am

    “and Toonsy please don’t refer to him as King Kev – there will only ever be one associated with Newcastle and despite his good season I’m afraid its not him.”

    Are you serious, Deb?

    Yes. For his time here as a player and then first stint as manager. Subsequent efforts I’m not counting as it was a complete balls up from all concerned including Keegan himself who should never have come back. While disillusioned with the whole tawdry business, I still have great affection and appreciation for what went before when he played in the 80’s and his stint as manager in the 90’s. Clearly not a popular view anymore but you can’t ignore his earlier achievements because of what happened during the last stint in charge.

  48. icedog says:
    April 18, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    “any chance of digging out 69 fairs cup games ?”

    icedog, funnily enough, it’s more difficult to get that on here than the 50s games.

  49. geordie deb says:
    April 18, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    “I still have great affection and appreciation for what went before when he played in the 80’s and his stint as manager in the 90’s.”

    Yes, but that doesn’t give you a right to pompously lecture other people on how they should, or shouldn’t refer to people in the team. Keegan always brings out the worst in people.

  50. It’s a good job I didn’t stick with my original ‘King Kev’ headline without the surname Nolan tagged on the end.

    I didn’t mean for it to cause any trouble like.

  51. Why is it too much Worky?

    I know it’s alot but the figures I’ve quoted aren’t a million miles off.

    The price of building the stadium is the only price we could haggle over. The debts in black and White and the purchase price I have put is conservative.

  52. workyticket says:
    April 18, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    “Keegan always brings out the worst in people.”

    I wouldn’t say that. I just think it reminds people of one of the best times we had as a club in recent history.

  53. TOONSY,i am going to throw this name into the bag as signing for toon which might just happen j.beattie 3mil watch this space ;)

  54. Worky – where was Geordie Deb being pompous?

    Sir Kevin deserves the tag “King” for what he gave this club and the fans. Anyone who enjoyed the Keegan years knows that. But to tag it onto Nolan – who has achieved much less at United devalues the word. There is just no comparison.

    It’s like the over-use of the word “great”…..which again has been diluted by over-zealous journalists through the years.

  55. You’re right toonsy, KK reminds people of what could have been and the fact it could be another 20 years before we even get within 4 or 5 league positions we got to under him.

  56. UTD111 says:
    April 18, 2010 at 2:53 pm
    Worky – where was Geordie Deb being pompous?

    I had a chuckle at the irony too!

  57. Stuart79 says:
    April 18, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    “Why is it too much Worky?”

    It’s completely out of line with the amount of revenue the club produces, and of course it’s debt too. Hicks and Gillett also have previous form for trying to sell things for too much.

    When Ashley tried to sell Newcastle for the first time as a Premiership club, roughly speaking, they took a look at the annual turnover (£100.8 million) doubled it, then added £50 to £100 million to account for the fact that Mike Ashley would be releasing the club’s debt. When the club was relegated, and the estimated turnover halved, this was reduced to £100 million.

    If you look at Liverpool’s turnover, double that would amount to around £330 million, not taking into account the debt the club is in.

    I’m not saying you’re wrong at all Stuart, I’m just saying that Hicks and Gillett are asking a ridiculous price, and as I stated above, they have ‘form’ for it. One of them, Hicks I think, has recently been prematurely bragging about how he is going to make FOUR times what he put into the club when they sell.

  58. UTD111 says:
    April 18, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    “Sir Kevin deserves the tag “King” for what he gave this club and the fans. Anyone who enjoyed the Keegan years knows that. But to tag it onto Nolan – who has achieved much less at United devalues the word. There is just no comparison.”

    A bit like calling Keegan ‘Sir’ when in actual fact he hasn’t actually been knighted? Double standards by all accounts there like.

  59. Hicks seems to think that the club have trebled in value from what he paid (£217m) I think. Dunno how he gets to that value but hey ho.

    Barclays Capital have been brought in to sell the club so you have to think they will value the club accordingly.

    Some people think the club will be sold easily but they have been up for sale officially or unofficially for the past year – So what has changed?

    Personally I think if it was priced realistically it would be gone in a week but these wealthy guys tend to do stupid things.

  60. You’re right, he hasn’t been knighted by London, Toonsy@74 – but in my book he’s one of the people who qualifies as a geordie knight along with others like Sir Alan Shearer and Sir Joe Harvey….

    I have no qualms about referring to him as Sir Kevin (for services rendered to the best fans and city in the country) and no, it’s just a personal accolade not “double standards” – it might have been classed as double standards if I was seriously suggesting it in a headline or an article written on a public blog……

  61. What a shock Wenger moaning!

    Have Man Utd or Arsenal ever lost a game to the better side? All the time Wenger and Fergie blame the ref or complain of some injustice.

    No humility or dignity – That’s why they won’t be classed as the best ever imo.

  62. UTD111…a blog which is written from my opinion. And this season Nolan has been our king on and off the field, in my opinion

    I love Keegan, I love what he done for us and rightly he deserves the title ‘king’ for what he done in the past. But right now it is history and our players that have shown two fingers at critics, rolled their sleevs up and got the job done deserve the accolades.

  63. Toonsy I hope yer not starting trouble ye rascal :) I see ye worked out how to change yer pic ;)

  64. toonsy says:
    April 18, 2010 at 3:33 pm
    Dave – Not causing trouble

    Apparently I’m not allowed an opinion, that’s all.
    __________________________________________________

    Hang on Toonsy!!

    All Geordie Deb said was “and Toonsy please don’t refer to him as King Kev”
    Isn’t that just a polite request?
    She didn’t say you couldnt have or express an opinion :)

  65. Toonsy there is only 1 King Kev and its not the Fat Lad :lol: . So who talked ye through changing yer pic and dont forget I changed mine 1st ;)

  66. UTD111 says:
    April 18, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    “it might have been classed as double standards if I was seriously suggesting it in a headline or an article written on a public blog”

    Basically saying that I can’t attach the word king to Kevin Nolan there, ergo I can have an opinion, but only if it doesn’t unsettle people.

  67. geordie deb says:
    April 18, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    “I still have great affection and appreciation for what went before when he played in the 80’s and his stint as manager in the 90’s.”

    Workyticket says:
    ‘Yes, but that doesn’t give you a right to pompously lecture other people on how they should, or shouldn’t refer to people in the team. Keegan always brings out the worst in people.’

    I hardly think my comment was pompously lecturing Toonsy. If Toonsy took it like that i apologise, but I’m sure most people would accept that the two ie. Kevin Keegan and Kevin Nolan are not comparable in their contributions to the Toon.
    With all due respect the irony of telling me not to behave pompously is mind blowing – pot and kettle comes to mind.

  68. Keegan was a demagogue. Someone who deliberately arouses and manipulates the emotions, passions, and prejudices of simple people to get what he wants.

  69. Worky > Keegan was a demagogue. Someone who deliberately arouses the emotions, passions, and prejudices of simple people to get what he wants.

    So we are simple now because we look on KK with affection :(

  70. geordie deb says:
    April 18, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    “With all due respect the irony of telling me not to behave pompously is mind blowing – pot and kettle comes to mind.”

    Why is it ironic, Deb? Explain further.

  71. workyticket says:

    ‘Keegan was a demagogue. Someone who deliberately arouses and manipulates the emotions, passions, and prejudices of simple people to get what he wants.’

    So you’re calling us simple now?

  72. Workyticket
    ‘Why is it ironic, Deb? Explain further.’

    Because you are taking a pompous stance in lecturing me

  73. geordie deb says:
    April 18, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    “I agree Big Dave but stuff it that’s my opinion and i will not be silenced!”

    So don’t try to silence other people then.

  74. toonsy says:
    April 18, 2010 at 3:44 pm
    UTD111 says:
    April 18, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    “it might have been classed as double standards if I was seriously suggesting it in a headline or an article written on a public blog”

    Basically saying that I can’t attach the word king to Kevin Nolan there, ergo I can have an opinion, but only if it doesn’t unsettle people.
    ____________________________________________________

    Toonsy – my comment wasn’t a sideways dig at you – it was a response to your view that I was applying double standards by saying I disagreed with “King” being applied to Nolan, then used the word “Sir” when mentioning Sir Kevin.

    No-one here has suggested you cannot hold an opinion or express it. But when it’s expressed in the lead article in a public blog, the rest of us are allowed to agree/disagree – which is what has taken place here. It’s not personal!!

  75. Workyticket says:

    ‘So don’t try to silence other people then.’

    I think Toonsy is perfectly capable of taking comments and doing with them what he will. He doesn’t need you acting as his attack dog or minder.

  76. Big Dave says:
    April 18, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    “So we are simple now because we look on KK with affection”

    No Dave, you are trying to distort the argument there by putting words which weren’t there in the first place.

  77. Big Dave says:
    April 18, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    “So we are simple now because we look on KK with affection”

    workyticket says:
    No Dave, you are trying to distort the argument there by putting words which weren’t there in the first place.

    Worky > ‘Keegan was a demagogue. Someone who deliberately arouses the emotions, passions, and prejudices of simple people to get what he wants.’

    I think they were there Worky

  78. geordie deb says:
    April 18, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    “Jeez – isn’t there something more interesting to talk about than this?”

    Workyticket says:
    Truth hurts?

    No

  79. Big Dave says:
    April 18, 2010 at 4:15 pm
    Toonsy dont worry we still like ye yer still the Golden Boy

    just needs a bit polish from time to time :)

  80. Toonsy @ 90 are you having a laugh? Complaining about not being allowed an opinion! You and many others on here have a right go at me for my opinions. You have categorised me as negative because I have an opinon that differs from yours.

  81. Worky > Keegan was a demagogue. Someone who deliberately arouses the emotions, passions, and prejudices of simple people to get what he wants.

    “So we are simple now because we look on KK with affection”

    No Dave, you are trying to distort the argument there by putting words which weren’t there in the first place

    What words did I put in ?

  82. Stuart79 says:
    April 18, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    “Toonsy @ 90 are you having a laugh? Complaining about not being allowed an opinion! You and many others on here have a right go at me for my opinions. You have categorised me as negative because I have an opinon that differs from yours.”

    I’ve calmed down moaning at you now, did you notice? I also knew that as soon as people were having a dig at me tou would try to wade in with a low blow. Predictable.

    I just happen to have the opinion that your opinion is negative. That’s ok isn’t it?

  83. tell you what that pommpy boss should take some praise with what he has put up with and still got some top results,many would have walked long ago

  84. Had to check my calendar to make sure April fools day was past.
    I mean Nolan for 4m. was a deal, but to Arsenal, aint gonna happen in a million years.
    If it does i`m gonna get me boots out (put a bit o dubbin on em first)and join ICE DOG and get a game for Gatesheed.
    As far as Keane goes, over 26, overpaid, cost too much, decent player though.
    I can`t figure out all the rave press James Milner gets, sure he`s not that bad, but i recall when he broke into the PL as a teenager and IMO he has never lived up to the expectations of those early days.
    Now one ex player has, Charles N`Zogbia only gets better with time, a much better player than Milner.
    TOONSY
    Just do as your told for once.
    There`s only one King Kev., got it !
    Had to laugh about one report, stating PL clubs were about to raid the Toon for players, what players ?
    Well one i could believe, Fulham wanting Taylor.
    But most of the rest are shit, Joey being our best, along with Enrique and the two Argentinos.
    I would be more concerned if they were after some of our young guns.

  85. CHUCK can you still get dubbin,and a last for putting the studs in,modern lads have boot boys now m8 lol

  86. Anyone think kevin prince boateng would be a good signing? What price? Anything over £4m would be difficult for us, no?

  87. Stuart79 says:
    April 18, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    “Anyone think kevin prince boateng would be a good signing? What price? Anything over £4m would be difficult for us, no?”

    I thought that after the FA cup semi final. See, we can agree ;)

  88. WORKEY
    Exactly which side of the bed did you get out on this-morning ?
    Firt you call DEB pompous for “requesting” “your Igor” Toonsy not to use the term King in reference to Nolan.
    Followed by a general statement, which insinuates, all KK fans are simple people, having been manipulated by a demogogue, who arouses the emotions, passions(same thing)
    and predjudices.
    You sure you dont want to retract the above and apologize to Deb for an unwarranted attack.
    And while your at it, think it`s time to bring Igor to heel, getting a bit above his station in life, as they say in England.

  89. icedog – Only on telly, but evertime he plays I have been impressed with him. Can play at right back or right midfield so is good cover for Routledge and can replace Simpson who can then be a backup.

  90. TOONSY,in that case i take your view,more so if can cover simpson who i still have my doubts about in epl

  91. toonsy says:
    April 18, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    “Chuck – What is “above my station” about writing articles?”

    I thought you would have mentioned something about being referred to as my “Igor”, Toonsy! :-)

  92. Worky – I just found it ironic. With the name Igor, I would picture a miserable, pasty faced, slightly morbid character.

    So really that description fits Chuck more than me ;)

  93. icedog says:
    April 18, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    “more so if can cover simpson who i still have my doubts about in epl”

    I knew that would swing your opinion ;)

  94. Toonsy
    It`s Blog Blitzing, you really dont have to comment on everything thats said on here, reduces the quality of your comments and please dont be so sensitive to those who may disagree.
    Otherwise thanks for your efforts, I realize it`s demanding on your time.

  95. toonsy says:
    April 18, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    “Worky – I just found it ironic. With the name Igor, I would picture a miserable, pasty faced, slightly morbid character.”

    Toonsy, I always picture Iain Dowie. He was Shearer’s “Igor”.

  96. chuck says:
    April 18, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    “Toonsy
    It`s Blog Blitzing, you really dont have to comment on everything thats said on here, reduces the quality of your comments and please dont be so sensitive to those who may disagree.
    Otherwise thanks for your efforts, I realize it`s demanding on your time.”

    So now I cant comment?

  97. workyticket says:
    April 18, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    Toonsy, do you know how to ban people yet?

    Jesus Worky, don’t give ’em anymore ammo. I’ll start getting called an arsehole on a power trip aswell as Igor!

  98. toonsy says:
    April 18, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    “Jesus Worky, don’t give ‘em anymore ammo. I’ll start getting called an arsehole on a power trip aswell as Igor!”

    It’s because of the “K” word. It’s divisive and spreads emnity and hatred.

  99. Big Dave says:
    April 18, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    “Worky I take it you wont answer me @ 117”

    The answer is obvious if you look at the two examples, Dave. It’s a classic “Straw Man”.

  100. Worky > The answer is obvious if you look at the two examples, Dave. It’s a classic “Straw Man”.

    Maybe im a bit simple but its not obvious to me, What words did I put in then ?
    as for > It’s a classic “Straw Man”. you have lost me on that

  101. It’s easy Big Dave……..

    Blog Rule No1: Worky is always right

    Blog Rule No2: If Worky is ever wrong or caught talking bollox, it’s a classic “straw man”

  102. Dave, instead of putting forward my original words, you put forward your own version which is a distorted version of the original, and hence, easier to attack.

    You changed every single word that I wrote to make my argument easier to attack. It’s a very common strategy, but it’s what is known as a ‘logical fallacy’.

  103. UTD111 says:
    April 18, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    “It’s easy Big Dave……..

    Blog Rule No1: Worky is always right

    Blog Rule No2: If Worky is ever wrong or caught talking bollox, it’s a classic “straw man”

    UTD111, go and read some Aristotle, you stupid little prick.

  104. UTD111 says:
    April 18, 2010 at 5:52 pm
    Worky @ 154

    “Isn’t that called “a bite” LOL”

    No, I’m just stating a fact, UTD111. You really are a stupid little prick.

  105. Worky I dont know where I changed what you said ?

    workyticket says:
    April 18, 2010 at 3:56 pm
    Keegan was a demagogue. Someone who deliberately arouses and manipulates the emotions, passions, and prejudices of simple people to get what he wants.

    To which I said

    Big Dave says:
    April 18, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    So we are simple now because we look on KK with affection

    And then you reply with

    workyticket says:
    April 18, 2010 at 4:13 pm
    Big Dave says:
    April 18, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    “So we are simple now because we look on KK with affection”

    No Dave, you are trying to distort the argument there by putting words which weren’t there in the first place.

    So my question is what words am I trying to change or trying to distort
    All because I took exception to being classed as “simple”

  106. Woah, talk about bad timing… I only popped on for two minutes before the gym.

    Sh*t, am I allowed to laugh at 151 without getting an ear-bashing? Sorry gaffer, no offence intended. But howay man, you accuse me of being disingenuous in my debating at times. At least see a slight through to the end?

    To be fair, rather than being a classic case of “Straw Man”, it looks more like a direct quotation, with a fairly relevant question. Paint it up any which way you want but if we dare to suggest Keegan is above the gutter these days, we are apparently simpletons. But I’m pretty sure my emotions are in check and my actions reflect that.

    To suggest somebody twisted the words, after that sort of comeback in the context of the thread conversation is well, as has already been implied, utter bollocks.

  107. Woh there’s some fiesty ones on today!

    Hitman, I agree with your blog rules to a degree mate. Oh and do you want a landing net for ya catch?

  108. Big Dave says:
    April 18, 2010 at 6:01 pm (Edit)

    “Worky I dont know where I changed what you said ?”

    “Keegan was a demagogue. Someone who deliberately arouses the emotions, passions, and prejudices of simple people to get what he wants.’

    “So we are simple now because we look on KK with affection”

    Dave, they are completely different. Can you even spot how many words those two statements have in common? Why did you feel the need to completely alter what I was saying before you attacked me? Why couldn’t you just have used what I wrote originally?

  109. workyticket says:
    April 18, 2010 at 5:59 pm
    UTD111 says:
    April 18, 2010 at 5:52 pm
    Worky @ 154

    “Isn’t that called “a bite” LOL”

    No, I’m just stating a fact, UTD111. You really are a stupid little prick.
    _____________________________________________________

    You only got 3 facts wrong there Worky….

    I’m not “stupid”
    I’m not a “prick”
    And I’m certainly not little…..

    When you’re finished doing the childish playground name calling – put your misplaced inflated ego away and have a good look at yourself……..

  110. worky – how about you put your own straw men back in their box and tell us exactly what you were (edited) implying (edited) then? Who are the “simple people”. Board members, players, supporters?

  111. LOL How are they completely different I copied and pasted what you said

    as for attack you, how do ye work that one out. Because I asked you a simple question > “So we are simple now because we look on KK with affection”

  112. Reet, I’m away to the gym so apologies for getting involved and not sticking round to respect the debate. Feisty indeed.

  113. Big Dave says:
    April 18, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    “LOL How are they completely different I copied and pasted what you said”

    Dave, I wrote:

    “Keegan was a demagogue. Someone who deliberately arouses the emotions, passions, and prejudices of simple people to get what he wants.’

    You wrote:

    “So we are simple now because we look on KK with affection”

    They are completely different. You were trying to put words in my mouth, so to speak.

  114. Big Dave
    LOL How are they completely different I copied and pasted what you said

    as for attack you, how do ye work that one out. Because I asked you a simple question > “So we are simple now because we look on KK with affection”

    Big Dave he’s just being a pain in the proverbials. I agree with you. I wrote the same thing. How can we have changed whatever he wrote when it’s copied word for word?
    Worky get a grip and get down off that high horse you’re currently perched on, and you called me pompous sheeesh!

  115. Worky How are they different, I take from your statment that your implying its only simple people that still have affection for or support Kevin Keegan ? am I wrong ?

  116. Big Dave says:
    April 18, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    “Worky How are they different, I take from your statment that your implying its only simple people that still have affection for or support Kevin Keegan ?”

    I’m wasn’t implying that at all, Dave. It was you who was implying that, or at least you were trying to make people believe that’s what I was implying.

  117. Worky > “Keegan was a demagogue. Someone who deliberately arouses the emotions, passions, and prejudices of simple people to get what he wants.’

    If thats not what you were implying why make the above statement then ?

  118. Worky > I’m wasn’t implying that at all, Dave. It was you who was implying that, or at least you were trying to make people believe that’s what I was implying.

    I think you will find that other people thought you were implying that without me trying to help them.

    Worky I come on here for a bit of Banter and sometimes a laugh. I DONT and never have come on to try to cause sh1t or make a fool out of people.

  119. Big Dave says:
    April 18, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    “If thats not what you were implying why make the above statement then ?”

    What? I wasn’t “implying” anything, I was just saying it. Keegan was a charismatic manipulator, a mesmerist who could somehow delude people into thinking he was something more than he is. Most of these people weren’t exactly the sharpest tools in the box.

    What I didn’t suggest is that all people who have some kind of “affection” for Keegan are “stupid”.

  120. Big Dave says:
    April 18, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    “Worky I come on here for a bit of Banter and sometimes a laugh. I DONT and never have come on to try to cause sh1t or make a fool out of people.”

    I know that Dave, and I apologise if I gave the impression that you were being cynical in some way because you are the opposite of that.

  121. I should have just edited the ‘king’ bit out of the headline.

    Would have stopped all this happening :(

  122. Worky > “Keegan was a demagogue. Someone who deliberately arouses the emotions, passions, and prejudices of simple people to get what he wants.

    Its all in the “Someone who deliberately arouses the emotions, passions, and prejudices of simple people to get what he wants”
    That part of YOUR Statement tells me all I need to know about what you were implying, and if you cant stand by what you stated then that is your problem not mine. I was allways brought up to believe that you “admit when your wrong” But I guess some people think that they are never wrong.

  123. toonsy says:
    April 18, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    “I should have just edited the ‘king’ bit out of the headline.”

    Why the **** should you have done that, Toonsy?

  124. Big Dave says:
    April 18, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    Its all in the “Someone who deliberately arouses the emotions, passions, and prejudices of simple people to get what he wants”

    What is, Dave?

  125. workyticket says:
    April 18, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    “Why the **** should you have done that, Toonsy?”

    It would have stopped all the arguing before it got a chance to snowball. I don’t like causing trouble and obviously I misjudged the situation and put the wrong headline in, and for that I apologise to anyone who I caused offence to.

  126. Big Dave says:
    April 18, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    “Toonsy mate honest this has got nowt to do with your headline your still my Golden Boy”

    Are you sure, Dave? Every time that man’s name is mentioned (and Toonsy didn’t even mention it!), it brings out the worst in people on both sides. Doesn’t that tell you something?

  127. TOONSY@141,think you have sussed maybe,your a fox lol,toonsy i for one would never take offence at anything you have written in the past,rough and smooth come to mind,this is for debate this blog or am i wrong,still like your photo better than big dave”s ;) peace and good will ect

  128. BIG DAVE,been waiting all day for your forcast tomorrow,have you chickened out as you only got it half right last time ;) or have you been side-tracked m8 mmmmmmmm

  129. Worky > “Keegan was a demagogue. Someone who deliberately arouses the emotions, passions, and prejudices of simple people like Big Dave and Geordie Deb to get what he wants”

    I know I know I’m on a boycott but could resist lol…..

  130. Stardy ye rascal dont you f-ing start, what happened yer boycott, that didnt last long. I thought you were a man of yer word too :) Hope alls well with you and Family mate. Do ye not miss the blog and when is yer boycott finish ;)

  131. WORKEY
    Opened a hornets nest there pal !
    Toonsy and Big Ian (no not that Big Ian)I mean Dowie,
    “Quasimodo”, Nah !
    Thinking more on the lines of Dr Frankenstein`s assistant
    Igor, or perhaps Baldrick might be more current.
    Caught his act, always the put upon innocent, with his reliance on you defending him, Daddy the big boys are being mean to me !
    And look if you think I should be banned, dont suggest it to him it`s your blog.
    Statler or was it Waldorf ?

  132. I still read it Dave, but just stopped posting and enjoying the break. The hideous spew fella was spoiling the threads, but I note an improvement the last few days.

    Family is great fella – thanks for asking.

    Workys comment was funny – I agree with it! But of course not all Keegan fans are simpletons – just 99.99% of them :)

    Worky – for gods sake – either get a backbone or apologise to Deb and Dave – you futile attempt to play on words and dodge out of what you said is cringeworthy.

    Cant believe this – Im on BBMs side :)

    Not sure when I will be back full time, if at all (Worky’ll ban iz now anyway lol)

    (“Deb and Dave” could have been a visor sticker on a Ford Cortina)

  133. Stardust > (”Deb and Dave” could have been a visor sticker on a Ford Cortina) :lol: I had 2 Cortina’s but I was more a Capri man :) . well look after yerselfs mate and dont be a stranger ;)

  134. Chuck – I have no interest in banning you, and thats a pretty broad accusation you just levelled at me, bearing in mind I always reply to you direct if I have a problem.

    “Caught his act, always the put upon innocent, with his reliance on you defending him, Daddy the big boys are being mean to me !”

    And that my friend, is complete and utter bollocks!

  135. A broad accusation, sorry which one exactly ?
    If you refer to the fact you attempted to defend a statement which in fact was insulting to most, by dodging and weaving verbally and when confronted with perfectly valid arguments, continued to dig yourself into a deeper hole.
    As for Toonsy, yeah he works hard for you (great)and we all feel grateful for his input.
    My references to Igor or Baldrick are said tongue in cheek and i know you get it. (Sorry dont use smileys)
    But he does when questioned or dis-agreed with tend to whine, if you cant take the heat………

  136. worky – if I’ve understood properly, you’re either giving me too much credit or not enough. I’m not sure which.

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