Give Hughton more credit? Why?

Posted on June 9th, 2010 | 188 Comments |

Hughton: The stakes have been raised.
Hughton: The stakes have been raised.
I think it’s widely percieved that last season was great, fantastic in the end, and the size of points difference between us and the rest of the teams in the Championship is something that is seldom replicated.

I also think that Chris Hughton has been given a lot of credit for it over the last few months, and rightly so. We all know Hughton did a great job last season, certainly an effective one.

The lines have been read over and over again already, with praise popping up for Hughton with regard to getting the team united again, believing in themselves, not fighting with each other (too often), and most importantly, looking like they actually want to play for the shirt that I personally have such pride in wearing. Which is why it baffles me that our former manager, Glenn Roeder, believes that Hughton should be recieving more credit than he has done already. Why? Just, why? For me, Hughton needs to prove he can motivate his team in the Premier League next season before he recieves another widespread outpouring of fullsome praise. It appears my viewpoint is slightly different to that of Roeder however.

“I think Chris Hughton has done an extraordinary job – 12 months ago nobody could have thought Newcastle would achieve exactly what they have done,” Roeder said.

“Perhaps Chris hasn’t had the amount of plaudits he should have had. He’s done it with the help of senior players, but that’s fine – you can only work with what is around you, and that’s exactly what he’s done. He can be proud of his achievements.”

I disagree with Roeder on this, I think Hughton has had the right amount of credit. Sure, what Hughton has overseen has been a massive change of attitude in the players, but just how much of that was down to him, or how much of it was down to the senior players? Either way, I guess it worked, and we embarked on a season in which so many records were broken after we were tipped by many to struggle.

But all that will mean nothing if we are sitting here in twelve months time debating more trips to teams in the second tier of English football after slipping out of the Premier League. Although Hughton wouldn’t be entirely to blame, he would have to shoulder his fair share of the criticism, however hard the job has been made for him.

I have faith in my team though, and I reckon we will survive next season with Hughton at the helm. But if it does all end up going pear-shaped, then I get the feeling that Hughton will escape the majority of the backlash, with the recipient of that being Mike Ashley instead. It’s how Ashley reacts to any criticism that will determine if Hughton is still here in twelve months time.

Will Ashley listen to any criticism directed at him, and then act upon it by wielding the axe? Will he stay true to form and not listen to a word the fans say whilst soaking up any criticism? This is not meaning to sound all doom and gloom, and I hope neither situation has to arise. But even though I think we can survive, I am not foolish enough to believe that next season will be a walk in the park either.

There will be poor performances from time to time. We will suffer the odd humping, like we have become accustomed to in the last few Premier League seasons. We won’t be winning as many games as we did last season.

For Hughton to earn his next chunk of credit he needs to prove he can cut it in the Premier League, and most importantly he will need to prove he can keep the morale of the squad up after a difficult run of games, and potentially after a run of defeats.

If he can do that, then he deserves more credit.

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188 Responses

  1. I can’t wait till next season, things will be tough from time to time but we can do it.

  2. Chelsea stars Joe Cole, Michael Ballack and Juliano Belletti are set to leave the club after failing to agree new contracts.

    sad that we can’t sign any of them free though. ;)

  3. I think Hughton has had enough credit. But he needs the other type of credit.

    Next season, as we know, is a totally different ball game and the next big test for him. We can only hope Ashley doesn’t hang him out to dry.

  4. So long as we have someone to have a go at next season, is all that really matters.

    I think Roeder is having a go at the press more than the fans.
    Most fans have held their hands up & said: he proved me wrong etc.
    But the press seem to direct their hate at the club, meanwhile, forgetting to praise CH fully.
    But hate does tend to cloud one’s view/priorities.

  5. CLINT did you read the large post on sky sports page y/day by some guy foster i think,he said some real canny things about the toon,nice to see not all the media takeing a stick to us

  6. CLINT,na m8 nee link,but it was one of the best and level headed posts i have read on toon and the fans,even saying a lot of unfair press we get,when we should be getting a good press ie fans ect etc,maybe toonsy/worky might be able to get it up,i did say about it on this blog y/day when it came out

  7. an interesting comment taken from sky sports. :lol: :lol:

    Allen d Zengwa (Chelsea fan) says…

    Actually,its good for Rafa,to go to Inter,which has more money and is capable of winning more titles than poor Liverpool.Plus the Club is currently the best team in Europe.As for Liverpool,its the next Leeds.

  8. ice,
    that’s a turn up, was the guy a journo or just someone writing in?
    Anyway, it’s always nice to know it’s not everyone that wants to have a go.

  9. CLiNT FLiCK says:
    June 9, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Someone will have to take the blame if it all goes t1ts up.

    That’s life.

  10. Although,
    who would y’buy if we had £60m?
    There’s not a massive amount of players to get in.
    They’re either cheap or way too expensive seemingly.

  11. Stuart,
    i guess, seeing as we live in a blame culture these days.
    Anyway,
    we’ve got plenty to blame, players, coach, owner, fans, press etc.
    I’m sure everyone’s sharpening their knives as we type?

  12. CLINT,i belive it was a journo,he asked for comments on the post,and there were a lot like,as i said he expects ashley to reward fans by giveing ch some cash,hes got that bit wrong

  13. I have said repeatedly the same thing, in regard to Hughton`s role last season, anyone asking more would be to demand perfection.
    Was it he or the senior players who deserve the credit?, undoubtedly they played a role, but strategy (often criticized) player selection, tactics, etc. were all down to CH.
    Look, clubs like Stoke with nowhere near as much income as NUFC are now spending more on one player than our entire budget (whatever few bob it may be, since that clarifying statement, knee body nose nowt)
    But we do have the spine of a team for the future and i am willing to take a wait and see tude, not about to condemn anyone yet.
    However if this team is not strengthened, there is always the danger of relegation, whoever is managing.
    If you don`t have the horses you aint gonna survive,not a difficult equation.
    The question is not about either the present team or Hughton, it`concerns the necessity of strengthening the side and not gambling, cause the stakes are high.

  14. icedog says:
    June 9, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Reward the fans? We’ll be lucky if we get a free pint.

  15. I know this is slightly off topic (Ashley again…) but I read this post from a guy who’s opinion I respect on another forum…

    “Anybody watch it? Some interesting stuff.

    The Glaziers have saddled the club with huge debts so that Man U’s profits are almost non-existent, resulting in them paying minimal corporation tax. Saving them approx £50mill a year.

    They’ve also taken out an option whereby they can take money out of the club itself (Rexn will no doubt know the name of this process/details of it – was it payment in kind? pik?). They seem to be taking dozens of millions out to prop up their failing American businesses, which are all mortgaged to the hilt, as well as borrowings for themselves. Man Utd is a like a masive cash cow they’re bleeding dry. All that will be left is a debt mountain and a brand, whilst they’ll have syphoned probably hundreds of millions to pay the ridiculous interest they have to pay on all their other borrowings.

    Surely that’s why all the sudden interest by Yanks happened in the Premier League? I often wondered what the attraction was, as I couldn’t see that football could be profitable for more than two or three maybe, with the rest making large losses. Maybe it’s just a vehicle to be used to asset strip or syphon funds to prop up your other ailing businesses?

    Ashley anyone?”

  16. Hey chuck,
    NUFC & stoke can’t really be compared man.
    stoke have come from obscurity & are raking in more than for decades, hence they can spend, for now.
    NUFC have spent big down the last 20 years, went down, took a financial hit & are now back. It’ll take time to get back properly.
    Although i expect you to know that. It’s not like you’ve just started supporting, is it?
    Got some great players stoke like.

  17. bowburn,
    behave, y’shit-stirrer.
    Who cares what happens to manu?
    The worse the better as far as we’re concerned.
    But using it as a vehicle to roust everyone up again……
    …..Howay man.

  18. How ice,
    i has a rummage around on slyspots, couldn’t find that article, nevermind.
    It woulda been nice to actually witness some positive press in real life like.
    :)

  19. CLiNT – Bowburn has a point, but any money going out of the club would surely be accounted for wouldn’t it? I couldn’t see anything like that in the latest accounts anyway?

    Think people need to realise that us losing money is not a new thing, and has been happening ever since we last qualified for the Champions League. We missed out on it, spent to get back in it, missed out and the snowball started there.

  20. CLiNT – I think the one that Icedog mentions was from April, but for some reason it has reappeared on the Sky site.

  21. toons – I’ll be interested to see the next accounts if we don’t spend any money over the next year to improve the squad. Our debt/service ratio should be much lower now and potentially we’ll turn a decent profit unless we outlay on players.

  22. I’m vindicated because I already had my say on Hughton!!

    Just preparing my beer, trug (for beer), ice (for beer) and stuffing for the pig (it’s being spit-roasted) for World Cup BBQ on Saturday. Hope the fecking sun gets out as planned though. Bloody rain.

  23. bowburnmag says:
    June 9, 2010 at 4:22 pm
    toons – I’ll be interested to see the next accounts if we don’t spend any money over the next year to improve the squad. Our debt/service ratio should be much lower now and potentially we’ll turn a decent profit unless we outlay on players.

    Are you calling the club liars?

    After all they have told us it will be five YES FIVE, COUNT EM, FIVE YEARS until we even break even!

  24. toonsy,
    bowburn certainly has a point about manu.
    But we don’t care, do we?

    56,000+ people got busted last year for making a few measly quid on top of their giro, that they spend immediately, putting it back into the system.
    Over the last 30 years, only 50 big businesses have been busted for tax evasion & taking money out of the country/system. No co.s have been busted in the last 10 years.
    Get rich-stay rich, deflect the blame.
    where you find the most money, you find the biggest crime.
    Radio 4 told me that.
    ;)

  25. toonsy says:
    June 9, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    Bowburns Saturday spit-roast

    What’s she called?

  26. Stuart79 says:
    June 9, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    “What’s she called?”

    Stuart79 apparently…

  27. we wont be improving our squad we will be getting loan players like cleverly and a couple youve never heard of on freebies we cant even get players like boyd probably because he wants 31000 a week and fat twat wont sancion it be lucky if we get anyone who would want to come just hope nolan enrique carroll are relaxing as much as they can they need to for what is ahead of them

  28. I had my browser open before doing some graft, and I was verifying some tests one of the lads had done with a couple of the project team. One of the tabs on the browser just said “spit-roasting”…

  29. CLINT – “My theory for people like that, goes like this:

    Each person is alive for circa 75 years. Once dead, they are debt-free.
    In the meantime, the more money they have, the better life they can have. And if that means doing someone over, or an entity of people, then so be it.

    So all they are doing, is living life in utter, utter luxury, knowing once their days are up, they have nothing to pay back, so just don’t care.”

  30. cant wait to see our new signings mr bean right back and mr blobby our new center forward be mint like then again i think even them two could be on more than 30000 a week or not daft enough to sign for us

  31. lesh says:
    June 9, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    In theory, yes.

    Long way to go for them yet, though.

    Unfair to expect too much.

  32. Yeah, it does look good, lesh.

    No doubt you know who will be along in a sec to give us his own personal, negative slant on things. ;)

  33. Not quite what i was getting at bowburn.
    There’s a difference between ‘people’ living on credit etc.
    I’m talking about the rich stealing, then taking it offshore & getting away with it. While joe ‘Q’ citizen struggles by, whilst being vilified for it.
    Yea?
    Bit like y’manu bosses.

  34. Funny Stu :)

    CH did well,I expect most managers would have done well with a squad like ours and the shit opposition we faced most weeks.

    No disrespect to CH but our squad was way to good for most and I think the senior players had alot to do with getting the desired results on the field.

    In general the football was fookin awful-sluggish and we created very little in alot of matches…only to be saved by the fact the most opposition was toothless,sub standard and completely woeful in front of goal.

  35. BBM… i liked your post and me and toonsy were getting into this the other day. I think and have always thought that this is what ashley is doing. The numbers do not and have not ever added up. The waters are very muddy. One thing is for sure, the big man is not daft and he would not be hanging onto us if we truly were not providing some sort of purpose. perhaps its the other way round, he wanted a loss making business to pour money into out of other companies to pay less tax on them? Anyway, i am over it, i am not worried about our finances, there is no need to be, lets face it, we buy no players ever, have a massive fan base and have an owner who is driven by greed. we will be very solid.

    On CH, its a good blog, i agree, what more can we say about CH… fall down and pray to him on the steps of stjames? we have all said the bloke has done a great job in the CCC.

    I think that we should put haris and tamas before any signings we make too… bit of a risk i know but hell, we have to have soem faith in these young guns otherwise what is the point in the accademy?? If we add these two into the mix.. .where are we going to be short next season? Up front only?

  36. sirjasontoon says:
    June 9, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Although I agree with some of that I think from January onwards performances improved dramitically.

  37. Aye,
    first up, we were feeling our way into the league, winning ugly.
    Once we got the measure of it, we eased up & the football flowed better.
    Normal for a considered guy like CH.

  38. 53…as far as managers go, although you are right we played shite lookijg footy, i am not too worried aobut the class of prem managers either. One of the shittest managers i have ever seen did ok last season.. fat sam. All he does is defend with 11 and hoof it up for the big man. thats it, he has no tactical savvy at all. if he can have a good xseason then so can CH.

  39. Craig – I was having a debate with someone earlier about Fat Sam. He reckons we would have stopped up if we didn’t sack, I reckon we would have been down before last season if he had stayed on.

  40. CLINT – I know. Out of context that didn’t look like the bloke agreed with you but he did, more or less.

    As for those players…

    Kadar – Looks steady and capable.

    Inman – is a canny little player but not totally convinced he’s cut out for the top flight.

    Vuckic – I’ve got really high hopes for this kid and have done since the first game I saw him.

    Adjei – Impressed by what I’ve seen. Very quick and willing but again don’t know if he’s ready.

    Airey – Can’t help but be impressed. Not sure about the “stocky” description. Needs meat on the bones but is again quick and willing and knows where the goal is (surprising that they dropped him into right-back on several occasions). Probably a season away from getting involved in the first team.

  41. hughton deserves credit for last seasons efforts,that goes without saying.
    football is an unforgiving animal,so this season he’ll stand or fall on his results,and should not be beyond reproach if this was to transpire.

  42. I agree we played ok in some matches Stu…but alot of it was Shite that we won’t be able to get away with so easily this season.
    We all know the step up to the prem is massive and our weakness and CH’s flaws may be exposed alot more easily than in the championship without some new faces to bolster the squad.

  43. sirjase, not sure i agree totally, for sure great managers and teams will walk all over us. chelski, manure, arse, villa, everton, spurs etc.. i think minimum we will get nothing, not a single point out of these teams.. maybe one or two more teams too. these teams we might as well right it off now. other teams like blackburn, bolton, stoke, brum etc, we can hold our own. sam is no better than CH.

  44. Brum will wipe the floor with us I will have a tenner on each game with you that we don’t win either?
    Blackburn,Stoke,Bolton will out muscle us no sweat as well especially away.

  45. I wonder what the chances of a terrorist threat is when England play USA in the World Cup. :-(
    Don’t think I wanna be at that game…
    So many people arriving here now. Its crazy!

    Watched Portugal play Mozambique in a warm up game. Crowd goes mad for anything Ronaldo does. I swear he could fart and get a standing ovation.

  46. Well, if there is a terrorist attack on them then we should polish off the tridents and finish the perpretrators off, for good ;)

  47. Putting me off watching the world cup them horns are fookin annoying as hell…..FIFA should have banned them like they discussed.

  48. Ah shuttup Jason… put some ear plugs in. And turn on the radio…

    When you have it in England you can be as boring as you like. ;)

  49. Plotting Terror in caves in the middle east :lol:
    If there is trouble/false flag terror it will be blamed on Iran so the elite can start WW3 :)

  50. Nobody likes them horns end of story….I think they are slightly gay as well :)

  51. Toot Toot…screech screech…fancy a Bum…Toot Toot Beep Beep….zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  52. Clint,

    Even if they did ban ’em you think that would stop us?
    This is South African bru!
    Most of our football stadiums are hotboxed with weed during games. I’m suprised they controlled that… haha.

  53. “sirjasontoon says:
    June 9, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Nobody likes them horns end of story….I think they are slightly gay as well :)”

    Thats only cos you using them wrong SJT, they not supposed to go up your @rsehole!

  54. CLiNT – I think there was a discussion about banning them, or at least blocking the sound of them out.

    I honestly think that this World Cup will have some of the lowest worldwide viewing figures of recent times. Them Vuvuzelas are sodding annoying and it is putting me off watching anything other than England games tbh.

  55. I think they will get someone from the FA to twat another fan around the Heed then ban them…inside job-BAN THE TOOT TOOT BEEB BEEP BUM MATING CALL SHIT

  56. 80% of the overseas fans that come here will buy one, use them, and probably take them home. I see it happening already.

  57. Spoils the Game Clint-not just saying it,I seen a preview a few months ago and there was a man surrounded by them horns and he had a whole sandwich hanging in his mouth as some sort of good luck thing…WTF !!

  58. jj,
    what’s ‘hotboxed’?
    You mean they puff at the game?
    Doesn’t everyone?
    :)

  59. “I honestly think that this World Cup will have some of the lowest worldwide viewing figures of recent times. Them Vuvuzelas are sodding annoying and it is putting me off watching anything other than England games tbh.”

    Toonsy,

    Dont assume the entire World thinks with UK mentality.
    I’d be willing to put money on the viewing figures being higher than ever.

  60. I’ve been avoiding the build up, so ain’t witnessed ’em in full swing. Gotta say, i’m not looking forward to it like.
    Make up some songs FFS.

  61. Different cultures like different things. Used to irritate me too but, its part of the culture – and it wouldnt be an African world cup without it!
    Same with the Makarabas, the giant sunglasses… just makes it unique. And I think its awesome!
    The vibe here is absolutely incredible – I’m shocked how amazing the atmosphere is. Its just incredible!

  62. JJ says:
    June 9, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    “Dont assume the entire World thinks with UK mentality.
    I’d be willing to put money on the viewing figures being higher than ever.”

    Why not? We used to rule most of it :lol:

    I just think that after everyone has gotten over the initail erection and masterbation period of it being a World Cup, that they will soon get bored of them horns and will vote withe their TV channels.

  63. Viewing figures will be the same as always – This is he biggest sporting event on the planet (Maybe Olympics, but I don’t know).

    Ticket sales are down though. That’s due to security fears and expensive flights. Although I think some airlines backed down and reduced their prices, especially after they realised they weren’t selling many tickets.

  64. Clint Flick

    Yup,

    At the Premier league games. Everyone is high mate. Seriously… Even when Barcelona came here couple years ago the stadium was smoked out… haha.

    But it’ll be more controlled for the WC. Wont happen…

  65. With any luck when SA get knocked out in the group stage, The rest of the fans will more than likely get sick of the feckers and sing

  66. “Ticket sales are down though. That’s due to security fears and expensive flights. Although I think some airlines backed down and reduced their prices, especially after they realised they weren’t selling many tickets.”

    Ye Stuart, ticket sales are down because of security fears, and the fact we on the other side of the planet. But that will only increase viewing stats.

    CC
    South Africa will in all likelihood get knocked out of the first stage.
    But what you forgetting is that this country has a MASSIVE multicultural background.
    Hundreds of thousands of resident, Portugese, Italian, Greek, Spanish, English and Dutch people that are raised in South Africa! And they will be supporting those nations in South African style! Toot Toot Toot!
    Most of the Black population love Brazil too, because of their style of football! So… the Vuvuzelas will be there all the way. hahaha.

  67. bowburnmag says:
    June 9, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    “I think Hughton has had enough credit. But he needs the other type of credit.

    Next season, as we know, is a totally different ball game and the next big test for him. We can only hope Ashley doesn’t hang him out to dry.”

    Was that collection of cliches actually intended to mean something, Bowburn?

  68. Bowburn – If viewers start dropping and they can blame it on them shitty trumpet things then I imaging the TV companies will put the live picture on a split second delay and take the sound out, or at least alter the volumes.

    A bit like they do with swearing over here, or crowd chants that are likely yo cause offence.

  69. Surely you’ve realised by now that 50% I communicate in cliches. They are the past of the future!

  70. Oh ye CC

    I left out the Nigerians, Cote de Voir, Cameroonians and Algerians! :-)
    But we hate Australia!!! So those games could be empty and silent ;)

  71. I wondered why I could never hear me singing my Derek Llambias song when I watched the highlights…

  72. Bet there’s a few murders as well…rob you for your shoe laces over there.
    Couple of mates worked over there in Jberg dangerous aint the word.

  73. Do they do tinned burgers from the van over there? If so, there’s ya ‘muffler’! Wedge one of them down it’s neck and it’ll peace and quiet. Wonder what a match is like without the smell of badly digested burgers and pies!

  74. sirjasontoon says:
    June 9, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Hope so Tootsy-Spoils the game :lol:

    Quality, think that may be my World Cup name lol

  75. bowburnmag says:
    June 9, 2010 at 6:38 pm
    What about volume controls or a mute button?

    Don’t be ridiculous! Far too easy.

  76. bowburn :)

    Bit boring watching the game on mute, roar of the crowd would be nice.

  77. “If viewers start dropping and they can blame it on them shitty trumpet things then I imaging the TV companies will put the live picture on a split second delay and take the sound out, or at least alter the volumes.”

    They could easily reduce sound volumes Toonsy. Sure thats been discussed for areas like the UK. :)

    SJT
    You see, Sir Jason Toon, what the UK and the States have still to realise, is that they are actually not the ENTIRE WORLD ;)…
    There is actually a world outside of that! Quite a beautiful one too.

    And I don’t think scenery wise, you get too many places that look a bigger shit hole that England.

    Scotland is nice and scenic…

    Been many places around the world. Never been anywhere mere beautiful and diverse as here…

    Toot Toot Toot Toot Toot!!!!!!!!
    TooT TOOOT TOOOT TOOOT TOOOT!!!!! ;)

  78. James Martin says:
    June 9, 2010 at 6:52 pm
    Oh look, another negative headline on this website.

    Well you could always go and bake a cake!

  79. “sirjasontoon sirjasontoon says:
    June 9, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Bet there’s a few murders as well…rob you for your shoe laces over there.
    Couple of mates worked over there in Jberg dangerous aint the word.”

    Ye, SJT – We’d steal the milk out of your tea if we get half a chance!
    Haha, Joburg, Soweto, all pretty safe – they probably went looking for Prosies in Yeovil and Hillbrow… Not the place the be. Makes Lagos look good. Haha…

  80. sirjasontoon says:
    June 9, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    “Couple of mates worked over there in Jberg dangerous aint the word.”

    If they start sticking a tyre over ye heed, that’s not good.

  81. My lass doesn’t dig the sound of the crowd or commentators yapping on so volume is always low anyway. I expect she’ll kick off at those horns!

  82. bowburnmag says:
    June 9, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    “My lass doesn’t dig the sound of the crowd or commentators yapping on so volume is always low anyway. I expect she’ll kick off at those horns!”

    See, I turn my sound up to drown the background noide of the wife out :D

  83. Right, just spoke to Mike Ashley…

    Gave him a good deal on toon style Vuvuzelas for next season…
    Get them at your nearest SportsDirect or at SportsDirect@StJames.com/vuvuzela

    Ashley refused to purchase them, saying he had “no capital outlay” – however, he has swapped them for one Andy Carroll… Apparently I had to give him 7Mill pounds worth of Vuvuzelas…

  84. £7 miilion? For that I could buy South Africa, and it’s most expensive assett…

    A 1959 blue Ford Zephyr :lol:

  85. Stuart – Where? I can’t recall any famous South African music groups, certainly not ones that would make an album go gold or platinum…

  86. Toonsy,

    Gold, Platinum, Uranium, Silver, Diamonds, Oil or coal, farming eco-tourism…
    Our economy is far better than the UK at the moment, with far more potential for growth…

  87. toonsy says:
    June 9, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    “Stuart – Where? I can’t recall any famous South African music groups”

    Hugh Masakela, Miriam Makeba, Ladysmith Black Mambazo and some lot called ‘Jaluka’ featuring a guy called Johnny Clegg, Toonsy. The first two were brilliant.

  88. JJ says:
    June 9, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    “Our economy is far better than the UK at the moment, with far more potential for growth…”

    No it isn’t, JJ.

  89. JJ says:
    June 9, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    Until the ultimate bubble bursts – Gold and platinum.

  90. workyticket says:
    June 9, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    “Hugh Masakela, Miriam Makeba, Ladysmith Black Mambaso and some lot called ‘Jaluka’ featuring a guy called Johnny Clegg, Toonsy. The first two were brilliant.”

    Pfft, Cheryl Cole, nuff said ;)

    How come they have a Columbian singing the official song of the World Cup anyway? would have thought they would have gone for someone home gron, unless they are all shockingly bad at the minute….

  91. Of course the UK economy is stronger Worky, but considering 70% of South Africa is unemployed, theres a lot of room for growth. And financially, we are growing. Mainly because our banks weren’t as “generous” as the UK and the States at lending to those who can’t pay…
    Plus we have the natural skills and resources. We just need to get more people properly educated. It’ll take time But there is plenty potential.

    “CLiNT FLiCK says:
    June 9, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Why is it then that all the s africans i meet don’t wanna live there?”

    Same reason why all the English/Scotish/Irish ex pats I meet here, don’t want to live in the UK… Guess they don’t like it. But if they don’t… good riddens.

  92. jj,
    i meant it as a serious question mate.
    I know a lot, as a couple of my mates have s african girlfriends. Both black & white.
    Just wondered like.

  93. It’s obvious why we don’t like here, it f***ing always rains.
    :)
    Well not always, but you know what i mean?

  94. Stuart

    There will be resources for many many years to come. And if we got a hold of crime – tourism would be enormous! We could feed the world with the beef, mutton, maize, sugar cane, fruit that we farm here. Then there are the fisheries.
    Most of our produce you see in your Supermarkets! Including our wines…

  95. We’re gonna have a new crime wave once all the cuts & job losses kick in, in the next 2/3 years.
    Oh, & riots too.
    Can’t wait.

  96. “How come they have a Columbian singing the official song of the World Cup anyway? would have thought they would have gone for someone home gron, unless they are all shockingly bad at the minute….”

    Everyone was peed off about Shakira here Toonsy – nobody likes the song. Even though it features South African band Freshly Ground.
    There were far better local songs produced, but Fifa were happy to make the decisions there.
    Nine of the 15 artists at the World Cup are African though. I can’t stand Black Eye Peas and Shakira. Worst choices they could have made!

    Clint

    To answer you question seriously – around 30 of my mates went to work in the UK after school (to travel and see Europe)…
    Of those 35 only about 5 stayed, four girls, because they met someone there – formed a relationship and life and decided to stay. One guy for the same reason.
    The rest came back, homesick.
    There are so many negatives about South Africa – however,the positives out way the negatives. By a long way…
    I suppose it depends what you want in out of life…

    Can’t really answer for those people I suppose.

  97. I see that Everton have signed up another striker. Could Yakubu be available?

  98. jj,
    hey, maybe they like london.
    But i do have serious conversations with them about where they come from & they maintain that they prefer it here.
    I think they’re mad personally.

  99. “149
    CLiNT FLiCK CLiNT FLiCK says:
    June 9, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    jj,
    you need to spread the wealth out, that’s the only way to reduce crime.”

    I agree Clint…

    Too much corruption at the top levels unfortunately. And not enough people getting decent enough education.

    If you have money in SOuth Africa you are so spoilt.
    There are far too many with nothing though. But it has to take time.
    If you force people into jobs that that arn’t ready for, the company just doesn’t produce and in the end bombs leaving them unemployed again.

  100. jj,
    y’right man, education is the way forward.
    Mate it’ll take years, if not decades.
    It will happen though.
    ;)

  101. Ye Toon Chicken

    Its a World Cup special!

    Haha. Sorry, Toonsy – at least we not discussing what a bast@rd Mike Ashley is…
    Just getting a bit caught up in the excitement here…

    Happy to talk Toon…

  102. Problem is that the big organisations are still 3/4 owned by white companies.

    Unemployment in the black communities is something like 1 in 3 compared to the white communities which is 1 in 20.

    Still awfully one sided – Until they get that sorted they’ll always have a high crime rate.

  103. JJ… you right man, africa has a wealth of natural resources.. puts the north sea well and truly to shame. The problem is the state of the place. Its too dangerous to work in many places like nigeria, PH etc. Its no joke man, i have had mates that have been kidnapped – one twice!. A mate that got hacked by a machette when his vessel was raided by pirates. its a nightmare. SA is nice as a place but alas the white chaps and chapettes are in a fast sinking minority and its getting dodgy there too now. We have a yarpie on here now who has just prodly showed me his new gaff in Joburg…looks nice, esp the electified walls, double skinned doors, bars over windows and 24 hour armed security. Nice. His house seems like a diamond in a pile of shite.

  104. TOONSY@32 thanks for that,just read it y/day didnt see it in april,so you slipped up not doing a post on it then ;)

  105. so why no post from you on 7th april lol keeping us up to date third hand news,big daves right you might be slipping ;)

  106. Nee chance man ;)

    What could I say though Icedog, that hasn’t already been said in that article? ;)

  107. What could I say though Icedog, that hasn’t already been said in that article?

    jokeing aside dont put yer-sel doon m8

  108. Craig

    The thing is that poople judge South Africa on one city. Ie/ Johannesburg. Which is by far the worst part of the country. There are still places that are safe and beautiful at the same time. Johannesburg and to some degree Durban have very high crime rates. But if you know where to stay away from its fine.

    Stewart

    Stuart, legally in South Africa, a company is not allowed to operate unless it has a 70% black work force.
    And they have to be part owned or directed by someone of colour.
    In that regard tranformation has happened very quickly.
    The problem with the spreading of wealth is that, the high paying positions are still very much controled by white and Indian populations because there just arn’t yet enough candidates with good enough qualifications to take on those responsibilities. As it is there are already people being forced into positions they are not ready for.
    It is something that is going to take time.

    The other problem we have here is keeping the rest of Africa out! Such as refugees from Zimbabwe where that @rsehole Mugabe has destroyed a beautiful country. Then theres Mozambique, Zaire, even as far as Nigeria and Congo they come flooding through our borders. Working for nothing and taking jobs from locals.

    A massive percentage of the criminals in South Africa are not South Africans. They are illegal immigrants that couldnt find work and turn to crime.
    Yet the problem comes is when they catch them and deport them, all it takes is a cheap bribe to the officers and they allow them straight back in.

    To give an example on the numbers. There are aorund 6 Million white people in South Africa. And there are near on double the number (12mil) illegal immigrants from neighbouring African states. Huge problem…

  109. JJ,cannot really say much on S/A only to say my brother married a south african girl,whos dad owned a couple of coffee farms there he liked it,told me a few tales about s/a,but settled in aussie

  110. evening Lads, Toonsy I think you mentioned SA not having one of their own singing the anthem, i’m near positive They did have one to sing it and he died a couple of weeks ago of meningitis it was on that Piers Morgan prog. just a useless bit of info for ye ;)

  111. Dave – Ahh, I though it was because Shakira had bigger tits, and that her hips dont lie ;)

    New blog coming soon :D

  112. I’m offcially 1 blog behind away from equalling Worky :lol:

    And I’, only 7 off the 200 mark 8O

  113. BIG DAVE have you read TOONSY link @163,at last some good words on toon/fans, for a change

  114. Stuart79, telling me to bake a cake really is a fantastic reply to mine. Keep coming up with new comebacks, but I don’t think you can get many more better than that one.

  115. Just wait till the shit hits the fan nufc very poor at times last season still a lump the ball team I remember Leicester away been the worse ive ever seen nufc play CH reminds of the manager guy form the water boy rabbit caught in the head lights.

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