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Don’t believe the hype.

Posted on September 12th, 2010 | 108 Comments |

D-d-d-don't believe the hype!
D-d-d-don't believe the hype!
In many ways, black and white are very appropriate colours for Newcastle United.

There is no middle ground as a general rule and many aspects of our club are over-hyped and under-hyped accordingly.

I think it is all bollocks personally and I think a bit of perspective is needed in all this.

Of course losing to Blackpool is disappointing – It wasn’t how the script was written. Most home defeats are disappointing in fairness, but at least there are plus points we can take out of the game, aswell as negative points to be fair.

At the end of the day, nothing will be decided by us losing yesterday as there are still 34 games to go. Right now it is how we bounce back in the next few games that is the most important factor in all this.

The stats say that we had 22 shots at goal and had 57% of the possesion. It didn’t matter in the end, but at least it shows we are still creating chances and trying to assert our own game. If we stopped doing that then I would be a hell of a lot more concerned about it all!

I don’t want to dwell on yesterdays result to be honest. It has been and gone, lessons will need to be learned etc. I just find some of the knee-jerk reaction that came about after the match a bit silly to be honest, although I understand that losing points to a likely relegation rival is not ideal, far from it in fact.

Perhaps the 6-0 victory against Aston Villa has led some people into a false sense of security? Maybe some thought that we were better than we actually are after that result? As impressive as it was, that vicory will not be the deciding factor in us stopping up this season, much like the defeat yesterday won’t sentance us to a season of doom.

Can things be changed? Yes. Did all players play to the top of their ability? No, and I am sure they are as disappointed about that as we are, but we still created chances that would have gone in the back back of the net on another day.

Next up for us will be Everton, and no doubt there will be people baying for blood if we lose at Goodison against a consolidated top eight team. Maybe not, but the reaction of a lot of fans makes me think there will be a few dummies getting spat should we fail to take a point. I would also suggest that those who would like to see two strikers up front next week prepare to be disappointed. I do think there will be changes, but not on the scale of what some people will be expecting.

On the other hand, if we pull of a result I am ready for the tubthumping of a ‘mid-table finish’ to rear it’s head again. The life and times of a Newcastle fan eh!

It’s either one way or the other, black or white.

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108 Responses

  1. Tiote for Smith, that’s the only change I would make.

    The Blackppol game doesn’t exist, only Everton.

    HWTL

  2. It’s our first loss of the season, and I expect many more. It’s disappointing to lose the points to a team expected for relegation, but they faced an even more uphill struggle last season and still earned their right to a place in the premier league, so we can’t say they’re pushovers.

    We may go on to surprise ourselves and steal a point or 2 from a top 4 team this season, our hopefully more shock thrillers against established teams like Villa. But we’re 4 games in – We simply can’t start getting hot under the collar from a defeat, and should learn the lesson that was demonstrated perfectly in the game – Premier League football is all about taking the chances you’re given.

    In reflection, I was more happy about the chances created than disappointed with the scoreline. Maybe in January Hughton will be forced to find somebody with the knack of putting the ball where it should have been a good few times yesterday!

  3. RICHIETOON what was your honest view of the game m8,what went wrong,apart from the result like, good points/bad points cannot really tell from radio?

  4. ice…as jay jay says poor finishing.Midfield was poor first half,couldnt pass wind and some poor decision making at times but you always get that.Poor final ball again alot of the time.Blackpool aren’t a bad team and I think they’ll surprise a few this season.If we’d been outplayed and created nowt I’d be worried but we played ok at times and should have scored.Carroll wins most headers but we need some one quicker to get on the end of them.

  5. tbh on another day we could have had a cricket score, but football’s like that some times.

    i remember a home game when we lost 4-1 to fulham despite having absolutely destroyed them – mark crossley had the game of his life for them that day, and Gilks won’t have many better games than he did yesterday either!

  6. In fact to be honest,i am looking at stoke city match,where we should be able to get that 3points.

    Everton and Chelsea match are to me,no Hope~~

    But with that in mind,i hope the players play as a mentality to try win Everton or draw at least.

  7. @toonsy: i know that,but as you know,some “extraordinary” NUFC fans wants us to get past Chelsea and bring a winning momentum.~~~

  8. Here’s the one opinion abt yesterday match~~

    In my opinion,the 2nd goal of blackpool can actually prevented,but with the risk of a red card….

    In that situation,i would be willing to take that risk. Enrique should just tackle DJ when he is outside the edge of the box…..

    That’s what i think.

  9. to change the subject,

    anyone see the Klitschko vs Peter fight last night?
    1. Boxing in HD is outstanding, you can see every drop of sweat flying off there heads when they get punched in slow motion, amazing.
    2. People wonder why boxing, as a spectacle, has lost it’s appeal, well it’s sorry excuses of ‘fights’ like that. It was like a prize athlete against someone who fancies himself as a fit of a fighter after 6 pints, it was embarrassing.

    Until concessions are made so they can get passed these pathetic, bureaucratic reasons why fantastic fights can’t go ahead – like Pacquiao vs Mayweather, which has all the attributes to be one of the best fights of all time in my opinion, being delayed because of how and when a drug test should be taken – then boxing will carry on with its steep decline out of popular culture.

  10. ILM > It was like a prize athlete against someone who fancies himself as a fit of a fighter after 6 pints, it was embarrassing
    or Ricky Hitman after a few lines :)
    Toonsy I dont think there will be many people calling for 2 up front away from home ;)
    Ice from what you and Batty said Richie’s one must be that one like :)

  11. ‘Ricky Hatton is “distraught and devastated” after newspaper allegations of cocaine use’

    ‘distraught’ and ‘devastated’ at getting caught more like…

  12. I Love Mike says:
    September 12, 2010 at 5:47 pm
    ‘Ricky Hatton is “distraught and devastated” after newspaper allegations of cocaine use’

    ‘distraught’ and ‘devastated’ at getting caught more like…<<<< iam sure he can soon pick himself up with a few lines like :lol:

  13. one of those days – we probably had as many chances to score against blackpool as we did against villa but finishing on the day was poor. Agree that its when we stop creating chances we need to worry
    can’t see us getting much at goodison tho if we keep it tight we might nick a draw

  14. Big Dave says:
    September 12, 2010 at 5:57 pm
    Talking of Stu I haven’t seen much of him has he been banned<<<< i wonder if its him that climbed on to jay jays train

  15. Wor lass has exceptional taste I’ll have you know………….blind as a bat like but great taste :lol:

    Dave@41 thats shocking that like :-)

  16. Tell ya what, you look at the likes of Scott Dann and it boils my wee wee when people get in a strop about signing players from the Championship. Just shows how much they know.

    No nonsense but look to play when the balls at his feet, canny tidy defender I think, much like our Mike, but he was cheaper :D

  17. It was a six pointer game yesterday. We lost at home to Hull in our relegation season and yesterdays game reminded me of that awful day. I have always thought we will be in and around the relegation battle this season and I was merely more hopeful after the Villa game. I won’t be asking for the managers head this season. I might chip in with my tuppence worth on who I think should be playing etc from time to time. A few people get carried away when we slaughter a team and a few people get carried away when we lose against one of the weakest teams in the league. I don’t see the problem with this. I like the direction the club is going in and have faith in Chris Hughton. But xxxx me yesterday was awful.

  18. next week campbell n williamson at the back n colo at rb for perch solid defence, tiote for smith with nolan along side him n ben arfa off of carroll, hba looked to hav that touch of class we need yesterday shame he only got 18mins to show anything, he would start every game for me

  19. I don’t think we have two strikers worth playing. Nolan is better than Shola or Lovenkrands but is frustrating to watch as his mobility is pony.

  20. It was a six pointer game yesterday. We lost at home to Hull in our relegation season and yesterdays game reminded me of that awful day. I have always thought we will be in and around the relegation battle this season and I was merely more hopeful after the Villa game. I won’t be asking for the managers head this season. I might chip in with my tuppence worth on who I think should be playing etc from time to time. A few people get carried away when we slaughter a team and a few people get carried away when we lose against one of the weakest teams in the league. I don’t see the problem with this. I like the direction the club is going in and have faith in Chris Hughton. But fack me yesterday was awful.

  21. Davy I think Benny will be starting from now on, I think CH was trying to ease him in gently but I would have liked to see him getting a bit longer. As for Tiote after some of the abuse Smith got for the tackle yesterday I dread to think what they will say about Tiote as from what I seen he makes Smith look like a pussy cat :)

  22. Tiote is an enigma to me. Tis rare that I know so little about a player tbh. My football gambling usually has me watching some queer games.

  23. Big Dave says:
    September 12, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    “I think CH was trying to ease him in gently but I would have liked to see him getting a bit longer.”

    Oo er missus!

  24. batty says:
    September 12, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    “worky why divent ya kna ?”

    I may have banned the little get, but I can’t remember, batty. Divven’t think so though. Maybe Toonsy has? He has gone missing.

  25. You can tart it up all you want with your ‘positives’ but the fact is that we cannot afford to lose against the teams we’ll be competing with at home.

    Their keeper had a great game and Arfa looks like he should be starting as he is quality but apart from that it was shit!

    Don’t honestly think we’ll pick anything up against Everton so the pressure will be on at our next home game, just hope the fans stay with them and we get another decent crowd.

  26. davy says:
    September 12, 2010 at 6:24 pm
    next week campbell n williamson at the back n colo at rb for perch solid defence’

    Having players out of position is anything but ‘solid’ mate. Were you at the game yesterday, or any game recently? Our defence has been great, the best it’s been in years, and it was fine yesterday. The defence has done nothing to deserve any changing. For defences to be successful they need continuity, not reactionary changes just because we have an ex-international on the bench.

    “tiote for smith with nolan along side him n ben arfa off of carroll”

    I agree with Smith for Tiote, but have you seen what happens to Nolan when he drops back into a traditional central midfield position? He disappears. He hasn’t got the energy for it any more, it’s playing off Carroll for me or nothing at all.

    CH seems a calm bloke, he wont panic, it will be the same team against Everton I reckon, at most Tiote playing for Smith, hope it happens like, bit more energy and guile deep in our midfield.

    Perch–Williamson–Colo–Enrique

    ——–Tiote—–Barton——–

    Routledge—-Nolan——Guiterez

    ———–Carroll————–

  27. We were unlucky yesterday but some players were awful aswell. Barton had the worst game I have seen him play for us after he was fantastic against Villa. This time he nearly allowed them to draw first blood even sooner with a suicide cross field ball that left the defenders with no chance, fortunately Harper came to the rescue. Smith was not much better and his diving tackle in the penalty area on a player already marked was inexcusable. Jonas and Enrique even looked far from their glittering best, giving the ball away cheaply at times.

    If the lads play better I would actually pick that team to travel to Everton, but I think Hughton got it so wrong yesterday. To start with such a negative team at home and then throw on forwards when it was too late was stupid. Blackpool play with an attacking, can’t lose attitude away from home with a 4-3-3. We should have started with players like benny and Lovenkrands from the start IMO and just picked them off with our quality before they got everybody back.

    I think after the two decent results the international break came at just the wrong time for us aswell. There was no fluidity about our play and we were far to predictable. Everton are no mugs either so we will need to hope we can get a shock result their now because 3 points were dropped yesterday.

  28. Big Dave says:
    September 12, 2010 at 6:32 pm
    As for Tiote after some of the abuse Smith got for the tackle yesterday I dread to think what they will say about Tiote as from what I seen he makes Smith look like a pussy cat

    Well i am telling you now after watching him a lot for FC Twente , i can only say that fcker from wolves and Twatermole will be shitting themselves . One big difference though Tiote does it fairly and he can play at bit as well :)

  29. Axel

    Will be interesting to see how he plays because in the only clips I’ve managed to find of him, he seems to get forward more than Smith.

    The only positive from yesterday was seeing Benny and for all his bags of skill, he just did the correct thing instead of trying to beat 4 players like Jonas. I can see him being a very good player if people like Carroll and Barton can develop the football brain to keep up with him.

  30. clattermole is an absolute disgrace. Hasn’t he just returned from his last red card suspension. What has he got for brains? Sh##e?

  31. DJG for a defensive midfielder he does get forward a lot and does have a decent pass as well , i would like to see him start at Everton alongside Barton instead of Smith . As great as smith was last season i think its time for him to accept that the premiership is now too fast for him after all his injuries , the lad has never really recovered from the bad injury he got at Manure .

  32. Why would anyone ban me? I’m quite obviously the best on here!

    I’m a little hung over though. Big day/night yesterday.

  33. Said this before, but I think Tiote and Ben Arfa could be our missing links to a good season. Every team would like an Essien type player in their team, hopefully Tiote is ours. As for Ben Arfa, well enough has been written about him, cant wait to see him get a run of games.

    Still think he should be brought in slowly though, to much pressure on him to perform if he is thought of as some bloody saviour after a few defeats.

  34. Axel in response to Smith. The painful truth is that now we have a team where a large bulk of the players looked too good for the championship but many of them just arn’t really good enough for the premier league and can’t make that step up. Thats why Im pleased we have signed these two international lads and I hope Hughton plays them.

    Im pleased that LuaLua scored and had a great game for Brighton, shows that his cup performance wasn’t a one off and the lad could have a bright future.

  35. Ice @ 24 – Soz mate, just been for some scran :)

    We have had a couple in the last couple of months (accidents).

    One lad died unfortunately, and that forms part of the reason why I am doing so many hours at work. Inquiries, investigations and such. Also, and I know it sounds harsh, but I have to make sure that everything is water-tight at ny end and no blame can be apportioned to me, my department or my company. As I say, sounds harsh but it is true.

    The other lads haven’t been too bad. One was back in work the next night but I sent him home with pay for the rest of the week and the other has a shoulder injury and will be off for about 3 weeks.

    All in all, not good :(

  36. Didn’t realise that Henry who targeted Barton, broke Zamoras leg on Sat, he’s turning into another clattermole and needs to be stopped. Its kn~bheads like this that ruin peoples careers.

  37. TOONSY nee worrys,i was on about the time you had to drive the wagon on the motorway,sorry to hear about the guy real shame.

    hope theres no back-healing ganning on like,nice you sent him home with pay.
    once had girl die in my arms at work i could do nowt for her you feel useless,had two kids too,it stays with you a long long time,so i know how you feel m8

  38. TOONSY he still had to take the guy “before” he touched the ball,some refs would have sent him off ie man before ball,on his rep he should have gone imo

  39. Ice – Aye the bloke who dies had a kid and one on the way. Nowt I or anyone could have done but I still feel kind of responsible if you know what I mean? I mean it happened on my shift like, to one of my blokes, which makes it that bit harder like.

  40. TOONSY i know what you are saying m8.
    i gave 112 3 days off,as a lot saw it happening,got heed in hands for it from top bums in denmark but what the hell

  41. Could be worse look at the Hammers, £100m in debt, owners struggling to keep the club afloat, 4 games played 0 points and can’t see where their first point is coming from. I hope their first points don’t come against us because then we have got problems.

  42. got nee depth in the the club like,think they will be trouble later in season,will be a way oot for hollaway like :)

  43. DJG
    aye, I reckon they will, long season, few injuries and suspensions and they will soon come tumbling down to earth, however, as Saturday shows, we have to earn the right not to be thought of in the same respect, as at the minute, we haven’t :(

    Aye batts, I saw it, they showed in glimpses they can knock it around but for the most part they were ineffectual, they’re looking like they will carry on this season like last, going backwards. Was well impressed by Birmingham though, ran down everything and tried to knock it about when they could, they just dont have enough players with the right type of quality to do that. But still, had their chances like.

  44. BATTY aye m8 2 j/ds,got to tak dogs oot,got to gan canny there mad gets,cannot take them oot in daylight,if it moves they kill it.
    mother-in law is 88 keeps the old git away from vists its great :)

  45. toonsy says:
    September 12, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    “I mean it happened on my shift like, to one of my blokes, which makes it that bit harder like.”

    Nee matter im sure you can find a new Red Indian to do your village people tribute act…

  46. RICHIETOON below the belt sod,you have a short memory,i was the one carrying your sleeping bag while you held the flag ;)

  47. Villa was the real surprise ! We have ONE Punta from Wolves away and Blackpool home, Reality check lads , we need to start scrapping now , need at least a draw at everton , to give us some confidence !!

  48. Just read that Hughton refuses to blame his system for the Blackpool defeat. It’s not “his” system, if it was he would know how to play it!

    It’s never going to be St James’ fortress with a narrow defence playing too far up the pitch — The polite invitations to “knock it over the top” is taking home hospitality a bit too far. Just the one striker and a packed midfield that can’t/won’t find space to receive a pass (or even pass!) because they are too busy pressing isn’t going to put the fear of God into visiting teams either.

    I refuse to believe that, individually, Blackpool’s players are better than ours, but they were better drilled, kept their shape and discipline, and were hungry to win. Yes we made chances but that’s not the problem. Blackpool got what they deserved.

  49. I do think we need to look at playing two upfront against teams like Blackpool. If that means dropping Nolan so be it.

    It’s early in the season but the worrying aspect for me is that we have played two of the teams that we’re going to be competing with and we only have 1 point from them.

    We need to beat these teams, especially at home.

    But onwards and upwards I suppose.

  50. need 2 get are best players in the team..so ben arfa and tiote must play..nolan cant run and with ben arfa runnin g off carrol will hurt teams more then nolan..ch has got 2 make a big call..if nolan gets pushed in midfield which he will then he must sit in front of the back 4 instead of getting forward or he cant play in their.

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