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Cup dreams over, again! – Newcastle 0-4 Arsenal.

Posted on October 28th, 2010 | 68 Comments |

Unlucky Timmy.....
Unlucky Timmy.....
Newcastle lost 4-0 against Arsenal last night in a match that put an end to any lingering hopes the home side may have had of making an appearance at Wembley.

The 4-0 scoreline suggests that Newcastle were dominated all the way by an Arsenal side that was slightly stronger than you would expect to see Arsene Wenger field in the Carling Cup under normal circumstances.

The fact is that we weren’t dominated, and despite the harsh scoreline I actually believe there are a fair few positives that can be took from the match last night.

Chris Hughton made nine changes to the side that beat West Ham just four days ago in a move that signalled what most of us already knew anyway – that the derby, and a chance of three points on Sunday are more important to the club than progression to the quarter-final stages of the League Cup.

In came Ryan Taylor, James Perch, Tamas Kadar, Wayne Routledge, Danny Guthrie, Alan Smith, Haris Vuckic, Peter Lovenkrands and Nile Ranger leaving Mike Williamson and Tim Krul as the two sole survivors from the team that played at Upton Park.

Arsenal, who gave the likes of Theo Walcott, Nicklas Bendtner, and Tomas Rosicky starts, started off the stronger of the two sides and could have took the lead through Tomas Rosicky only for Tim Krul to save with his left leg. Seconds later it was Newcastle who could have took the lead through Haris Vuckic who hit the side-netting after some great work from Nile Ranger.

Newcastle carved out the first gilt-edged chance of the night however as Danny Guthrie sent Nile Ranger clear of the Arsenal defence. The striker did the hard work and rounded the goalkeeper only to dally on the ball in front of a near open net. In the end his shot at goal was blocked by Arsenal defender Laurent Koscielny. Alan Smith also went close after unleashing a 30-yard screamer that looked in all the way only for the Arsenal ‘keeper to tip it on to the top of the bar.

After a frantic first half-hour or so the game settled down in a more relaxed rhythm. As half-time approached it looked like the score would remain level at 0-0, but a Krul twist of fate was to change that. Theo Walcott’s deep corner was headed goalwards by Nicklas Bendtner. Ryan Taylor was back on the line to head clear, but the ball bounced off the back of Tim Krul’s head and into the back of the net with virtually the last kick of the first-half.

Newcastle could have levelled the score early in the second-half, but James Perch should probably have done better with his header from a Danny Guthrie corner. That cost Newcastle and Arsenal made it 2-0 on 53 minutes with another goal that owed a large chunk of credit to a huge slice of luck.

Both Bendtner and Walcott were stood offside as Johan Djourou headed the ball forward – Bendtner by about 15 yards – but play was allowed to continue as Walcott raced towards goal. Mike Williamson came back to try and challenge the spritely forward but was barged into by Bendtner, who was not only guilty of a foul but also of interfering with play as he challenged for the ball. With Williamson out of the picture, Walcott had the simple task of going clean through and beating the exposed Krul, but it was quite simply a goal which should never have stood.

Newcastle brought on Andy Carroll and Jonas Gutierrez in an attempt to try and salvage the game, but despite controlling parts of the game it was to no avail. Newcastle had their chances to get back in the game but Ryan Taylor, Nile Ranger and Andy Carroll were unable to find the back of the net a number of times.

Instead it was Arsenal who struck again with only a few minutes left on the clock. It was a quick counter-attack goal by all accounts, but it is what Arsenal do best. Cesc Fabregas fed the ball into Nicklas Bendtner who arrowed a shot past Tim Krul and into the top-right hand corner of the net.

Futher gloss was to be added to the Arsenal scoreline by Theo Walcott who raced clear of the Newcastle defence and cooly slotted past Krul to make it 4-0 on the stroke of 90 minutes.

I don’t think it’s unfair to say that the scoreline of 4-0 flattered Arsenal, although they did deserve to win the game in fairness. Newcastle didn’t let their heads drop and created chances throughout the match, which is a positive. Another positive is just how much better the team looked when the likes of Andy Carroll, Jonas Gutierrez and Joey Barton were on the pitch. We looked miles better, and that gives me encouragement for derby day at the weekend.

Howay the lads!

Attendance: 33,157.

Newcastle – Tim Krul, Ryan Taylor, James Perch, Mike Williamson, Tamas Kadar, Wayne Routledge, Danny Guthrie, Alan Smith, Peter Lovenkrands, Haris Vuckic, Nile Ranger.

Subs – Ole Soderberg, Fabricio Coloccini, Jose Enrique, Cheik Tiote, Joey Barton, Jonas Gutierrez, Andy Carroll.

Arsenal – Wojciech Szczesny, Emmanuel Eboue, Kieran Gibbs, Laurent Koscielny, Johan Djourou, Theo Walcott, Denilson, Tomas Rosicky, Craig Eastmond, Carlos Vela, Nicklas Bendtner.

Subs – Lukasz Fabianski, Bacary Sagna, Cesc Fabregas, Andrei Arshavin, Henri Lansbury, Havard Nordtveit, Jay Emmanuel-Thomas.

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68 Responses

  1. ‘Tis in only “back down to earth” if you had expectations that were out of this planet in the first place……

  2. Batty – You are right. Was never a 4-0. The second bit though, I wouldn’t say dirty…….. Cynical perhaps….

  3. Batty – Aye it was, but then again, Barton saw the red mist descend on him again so it’s tit for tat.

    I’m surprised our “best fans in the land” ™ didn’t boo Eastmond for not putting Perch out of the game for a while…..

  4. for newcastle to make 9 changes from their prem side of last weekend was always going to make it difficult for you guys, arsenal had 9 changes too but also have the squad to cope.
    4.0 was flattering to us, and nikki B did impede williamson on the second goal, revenge taken from williamsons off the ball tug back in the first half im sure.
    Joey Barton lucky to stay on the pitch, always an evil twat, malicious on young eastmond, and the yellow on cesc should have been his second.
    In all i think with the 9 changes you gifted us the game. Maybe Versus Sunderland is of more importance.

  5. Youve got some player in Andy Carroll. Heard a lot about him this season, and he didn’t disappoint yesterday.

  6. Arsenal fan here. Thought your lot were pretty good last night. Carroll looks a real player and looks dangerous anytime he receives the ball in and around the box. The Bendtner obstruction looked synical and deliberate at first glance but I have my doubts about whether it was deliberate. It is the sort of thing that could get you sent off and I can’t see him risking that when Walcott looked uncatchable anyway. I wonder if he was too busy watching Walcott and didn’t move quick enough out of the way. With 2 defenders running at full pace he maybe realised too late he couldn’t get out of the way and the defender was hardly going to alter his line and go around him. i guess we will never know as I am sure Bendtner will claim innocence while Newcastle fans will claim it is deliberate. The media and pundits will back this view as they love to sensationalise any incident. Also have heard the bit about AW fielding a stronger side and taking it more seriously but I think he is using the same players as 2 years ago but they are now experienced effective players rather than rookies. We still did not feature Vermaelen, Clichy, Song, Diaby, Wilshere, Ramsey, Nasri, Arshavin, RVP and Chamakh, while Sagna and Fabregas only came on as subs. That is a lot of first team players that did not feature or start and if we were still considered to have a strong line up last night I think it indicates a maturing of the younger players rather than a switch in AW’s philosophy. I think it shows that Arsenal now have a serious depth to their squad.

  7. Very fair assesment and yes Bendtners body check was cynical and unnecessary. However I’m not sure Walcott was offside for that one. The scoreline flattered us as at no point did it feel like we were dominating you. However, like against City at the weekend, it’s good to see we can win by a few goals away from home without being at our best. I don’t think we were dirty but agree with the poster who said we were cynical which is maybe something we need to be if we are to win a trophy this season.
    Good luck with the rest of your season.
    p.s Andy Caroll looks like he could be a Newcastle legend!!

  8. Gooner here; a fair reflection overall and can’t disagree that your 2nd string gave a very good account of themselves. To all intents and purposes this was Arsenal’s 2nd string too – which kind of puts to bed the oft repeated lazy journo garbage that we don’t have strength in depth. Also 9 changes from team that beat City on Sunday and arguably only 2 players (Theo and Kos) who would be 1st choice starters – and both of these are making their way back after injuries.
    Of course I wear red glasses, so saw events of the 2nd goal slightly differently. The call as to whether Theo was offside was one of those 50 / 50 moments, sometimes you get them and sometimes you don’t. With Bendtner, agree that this probably should have been flagged for foul on Williamson but it was kind of “what goes round comes round” karma as Taylor (?) blatanly blocked Bendtner in the 1st half from getting on the end of a cut back. As for NB trying to play the ball in the build up, no way….

    Anyway, as I said, fiar play, and good luck against the Black Cats

  9. Goonerism I don’t think arsenal were dirty with their tackling so much, well apart from one challenge on perch, but was not happy with the way they throw themselves around anytime someone gets close to them, even these youngsters can play the quality football that we all like to watch but that was annoying.

  10. Eboue rolling around on the floor when all 5 foot and 7 stone of routledge got near him was just plain fuking embarrasing (never could spell that word)

  11. Good comments from the Gooners – nice1 lads! :)

    Think most would agree on here that Arsenal play the kind of football that we aspire to – bar the odd dive here and there ;)

    Good luck with your Carling Cup run – hope you knock the mans out.

  12. The biggest embaressment in our team for throwing himself around is Eboue and he is hardly a youngster. He should really know better. However if you want to see a dirty player, you needn’t look any further than Joey Barton….

  13. Agree about Barton too.

    So much for a reformed character.

    He looked like a man on a mission last night – a mission to get himself sent off!!

    Calm down, Joey – calm down!!

  14. Lads i didn’t see anything wrong with the way Joey put him self about, He did deserve a yellow but sure that happens in football. He is a tough player by nature and i don’t think he was out to hurt or get red. He had a good game when he came on and is coming into a bit of form. Get off his back.

  15. I would have put out a stronger side if it meant getting to a quarter final.
    Still not convinced by CH and the vote of confidence from the board will soon vanish if we are beaten by the mackems and if our lack of home form continues….I think that could be a turning point for many fans as well.

  16. I think TW14 was probably a smidge offside but I’m not convinced NB52 deliberately obstructed Williamson.

    Whether 0-4 is a true reflection a the game is debatable. The better team on the night won and no-one can reasonably dispute that. A lot has been talked about the ‘reserves’ but I think it was more to do with longer serving youngsters simply getting a bit older and players returning from injuries getting match practice. Which manager in AW’s position would have approached the game differently? Bottom line, augurs well for us if our squad can stay fit.

    Barton? What an utter karnt he is. What an embarrassment to your club…. in fact ANY club.

    Carroll? Will be a right handful for many defenses and made a real difference when he came on.

  17. Nice to see opposition fans posting about football on here rather than just mouthing off, fair play to the select few gooners! Lol..as for Eboue, I can’t stand his diving, he’s experienced and should know better but he isn’t going to stop and it’s sadly part of the game now.
    As for Barton, nee one likes him and I fully understand given his past behaviour. I support him because he plays for us. If we had a better midfielder I’d probably say show him the door, if he played for anyone else I’d probably hate him. His game along with his behaviour has improved as of late but he’ll always be a hate figure and it’s something we’ve got to live with for as long as he’s here.

  18. Anon

    Yes but Arsenal have 2 teams that you can put out and the 2nd would happily be somebody elses first team. We only have a first team and thats it. Our young lads coped well in the first half but it was never going to last. We could only have got anything with our first team, players like Enrique, Collo, Tiote, Nolan ect. Carroll looked surprisingly good when he came on and Jonas looks better and better but it was too little too late. We needed to start with a side of that calibre to get anything and it was too risky with the derby on Sunday. Victims of circumstance? Perhaps.

  19. I think arsenals 2nd goal was one of those things that could of gone either way in all honesty , if we got the foul arsenal would of had a point to complain about it as well! We didnt get it , forced us to chase the game and arsenal done what arsenal do best!

    But i think we can take more positves out of the game than bad, Im hoping Vuckic performance gets him more minutes as he became more comfortable as the game went on.

    But fait play to arsenal , better team won on the night

  20. Could have been a fina;l score of 7-6 last night. The big difference being NUFC not finishing their chances.

    Good managing by CH in getting Carroll & Jonas on to get a taste of work against a big 4 club. For my money, NUFC starting squad can give anyone a match, and baring weird decisions by the officials and beach balls, NUFC will hold more than their own against the Black Cats Sunday.

    Another point re-emphasized was that NUFC does not play a good Route 1 game & needs to use the quality of the midfielders to move the ball forward. I’d say the lack of confidence in the back 4 leads to Krul making all those long kicks.

    Krul actually played a good game & one has to hope he did not lose confidence due to the odd own goal and Arsenal break-aways.

  21. Still though, im under no illusions that once we came up against Man U or Villa in the semis we would be knackered so it’s fantasy to think we could we anything for years yet. The league is more important and no doubt toonsy is pleased and relieved that we’re out. If the first team have been training to the tune of Carroll and Jonas for sunday i’ll be mighty pleased though. Still fancy’d Carroll to bury that header like. :(

  22. 23 sirjasontoon says:
    October 28, 2010 at 12:44 pm
    I would have put out a stronger side if it meant getting to a quarter final.
    Still not convinced by CH and the vote of confidence from the board will soon vanish if we are beaten by the mackems and if our lack of home form continues….I think that could be a turning point for many fans as well.

    How r u not convinced by CH?

  23. The thing I don’t get about Barton is that he IS a very good player and could have a great career but his head seems all over the place

  24. Out of interest, I read somewhere once that Newcastle don’t have a either a reserve or youth team, can’t remember which one. Is this true and if so is it still the case or am I totally wrong here?

  25. I am a bit more concerned about the quality of our coaching at NUFC. We sign all these youngsters on great reputations, but when you see how Arsenal’s kids play and develop, they are on a whole different level to our youth.

    Arsenal’s second string are brought up to pass the ball and move in to space, while ours always seem stretched and under pressure and just resort to long balls.

  26. toonsy

    The other day You listed your fave memories from your time as a supporter, Including Feyernoord and Beating the scum 4-1 on their patch, IMO you should have added the Juventus and PSV european matches and the Arsenal and Leeds away league matches under Bobby to that list.

    The atmosphere has died since we we all attended our first matches but which would you rather sitting in lively crowd of 10,000 or so in a knackered old stadium against Oxford and Port Vale or have these great memories down to the increased revenue and profile of the club ??

  27. @31 Goonerism

    Agreed but you have got to recognise that he has got his act together of late. Finger’s crossed it last’s.

  28. Goonerism-its been that way his entire life. Look at Carroll aswell, a talent with a future ahead of him that could be as successful as he wants to make it. Going around assaulting people will do him no favours (should the rumours be true, that is)..has to make sure he doesn’t taint his future before it’s even started for him.

  29. Goonerism says:
    October 28, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    “Out of interest, I read somewhere once that Newcastle don’t have a either a reserve or youth team, can’t remember which one. Is this true and if so is it still the case or am I totally wrong here?”

    You’re totally wrong there now, Goonerism, though that was the case quite a few years ago in the Keegan days. Nowadays though the opposite is the case, with a big emphasis on developing young players, rather like your lot. Still a long way to go in our case though.

  30. @Dublintoon yeah fairplay he does seem to have improved somewhat

    @Ross Yeah Carrol did get himself in a spot of bother but he’s only 21 right? You can forgive these young player one or two skirmishes but if they don’t get it out of their systems by a certain age then it’s time to move them on. With our young players its almost always the young English players who get themselves in trouble, only recently I read that Craig Eastmond had got himself nicked for indecent exposure I mean what a f***ing dickhead? We had untold problems with the asshole that is Jermaine Pennant who could of had a great career had he shown more interest in playing football rather than roasting hoes and drinkdriving with a lamppost stuck underneath his car. Even Wilshire was in trouble recently being at the scene of some brawl….

  31. As I have said before I am not anti CH but yesterday was, in my opinion, a – if not golden – then at least a bronze opportunity to play a second string Arsenal side with all out first team regulars. Sunderland games isnt until Sunday so they could have had three dyas off which is as much as they got last season plating week in week out.

    Yes I know all the teams now put out weaker sides because of the need to stay fresh for the BPL but this was a one off, a game which could have brought additional interest into the club and given the fans something to look forward to other than a season of consolidation.

    Who knows even with our strongest team we may still have lost by 4 but if you’re in it you should try to win it and not just go through the motions waiting to get knocked out :(

  32. AndyMac

    Totally agree mate totally agree.

    I think we may have drew West Ham or somebody in the next round and got through to the semi’s where we would probably get knocked out by Manure first team. But even still, the semi finals of the league cup would be a success in a season of such austerity and consolidation, IMO.

  33. BTW just so we get this straight I, in no way suggested that any Toon players engage in the activity of plating :)

  34. Andy-I think it’s more the risk of injury mate. Imagine the likes of Tiote, Carroll or Colo coming out of last night with a knock. We’d have been fuming and the press would have had a field day with hughtons selection. Also, had a strong first team lost it’s a huge confidence dent for Sunday.
    The most promising thing from last night is that we did most of our best attacking in the final 20 mins or so, when both Carroll and Jonas were on. Our top players getting a touch of the ball and being in good form going into The mackems will help.

  35. Johno I just think CH will be chopped if the home form continues I said last season he will be axed by xmas a few more home defeats and I think Mike will sack him.

    I am not against CH – I just think MA will not offer a new contract if we continue to struggle at home and are near the foot of the table come xmas.

    Nothing against CH though :lol:

  36. DublinToon

    Im all for Hughton i think he should be given a 5 year contract and just get on with the work he has done.

    Nice to see another Dub on the blog!

  37. Not much to say about the match. I’d rather win on Sunday.

    But… I’d really like to say how great it is to see so many Arsenal fans on here with intelligent and fair comments and not trying to slag off our club or our fans. Credit to all the gooners who have come on here and added to the commentary. Cheers!!

  38. CC says:
    October 28, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    “toonsy

    The other day You listed your fave memories from your time as a supporter, Including Feyernoord and Beating the scum 4-1 on their patch, IMO you should have added the Juventus and PSV european matches and the Arsenal and Leeds away league matches under Bobby to that list.”

    I was going to put the Leeds one in, but the basis of the article was MY fave memories. All of the clips meant something to me personally – the ones you mention don’t.

    “The atmosphere has died since we we all attended our first matches but which would you rather sitting in lively crowd of 10,000 or so in a knackered old stadium against Oxford and Port Vale or have these great memories down to the increased revenue and profile of the club ??”

    Bearing in mind that I have said all along that the best atmoshpehers were when we were shyte, and I mean shyte, not what some arseholes suggest is shyte that we are currently going through, I would prefer the old days.

    Think about it, back then we had the great memeories of cup wins and European trophies. It’s all relative.

  39. Gooner here.

    I liked the look of Ranger last night. Looks a real prospect.

    Carroll will definitely provide a big threat when we visit Tyneside next weekend.

    Barton was a disgrace. Should have got two yellows for the two tackles.

    Eboue didn’t cover himself in glory either. That dive was totally unnecessary.

    I definitely can’t see Newcastle being relegated this season with the players they’ve got.

  40. There is a world of difference between Arsenal and us which is why its OK for them to play their second string because they are more used to seeing top flight football in the CL as well as going further than us in the Cups. Their reserves are probably equal to our first team so it would have been a more even contest if we’d started with Carroll, Jonas etc and if we’d been 3-1 up at the break (which happened at Chelski) we could have brought the reserves on then.

    I take Ross’s point about injury but these things happen all the time as we know only too well at Citeh a couple of weeks ago. Should we not have played Ben arfa that day ?

    You can mothball players during the week so they dont get injured for the “Big One” but they could still get crocked dropping a bottle of salad cream on their foot :)
    Yesterday, whichever way you slice it, was a chance to lift spirits all around the club and bring in extra revenue and CH made the wrong choice IMO.

  41. too all you southern b@stards slaggin barton gan and shove ya head in a bucket of shite , hope you win f uck all agen this season

  42. Extra revenue? That £12,000 would have mae a right dent on the £140,000,000 pund debt……

    I’m glad we are out, without any injuries, to be honest…

  43. I think you’ll find young Toonsy me lad the finalists make a darn sight more than 12 grand (£100k) plus there’s the potential gate money from four more matches. Enough to keep FMA in burgers and fries for a while at least

  44. People need to use last night as a stark warning that our squad is just not up to scratch to run on two or three fronts just yet.

    Me and Staurt actually agreed on something a few months back 8O when we both said that our starting XI should be good enough to keep us up. It could have done better, but we ain’t had much luck with injuries to be fair. Benny, Taylor….

    Lose some of that first-team though and look what happens? We have nobody to really come in and replace them as we are lacking quality in numbers.

    I understand that players can get injured at any time, but why risk it?

    It just baffles me how so many people seem to think that winning last night was a route to the final…

  45. AndyMac – Would we have been in the final then if we got throguh last night?

    No.

    Therefore it is £12,000 in prize money for winning last night plus a 50/50 split in gate reciepts for the next round.

  46. toonsy says:
    October 28, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    “Bearing in mind that I have said all along that the best atmoshpehers were when we were shyte, and I mean shyte, not what some arseholes suggest is shyte that we are currently going through, I would prefer the old days.”

    I agree with you about now though we are a hell of a lot better off than some people think, I wish we could take the piss out of ourselves like we used to.

    But i disagree that i would rather them days of crap football and drifting towards bankruptcy to the memories we have seen first hand from those european nights, Not what we have been told from those lucky enough to see the fairs and FA cup wins.

    To be fair the atmosphere wasnt totally shite until we went to 52,000 so we had the best of both worlds for a few years at least.

  47. “Extra revenue? That £12,000 would have mae a right dent on the £140,000,000 pund debt……”

    Customary sarcasm… ;)

    “I’m glad we are out, without any injuries, to be honest…”

    Agreed i nearly shat me kecks when he made that double change, This season is about staying up and bringing in more quality in the summer shedding the championship players and going again, Nowt else…

  48. CC – But if you think about it relatuvely, is the scenario of drifting really that much different than it was at the start of last season?

    Let’s look at the two periods….

    Back then in the older days, we had the memories of cup wins and Europe whilst we were struggling, drifting….

    Right now we have the modern memories of Champions League and such…..

    Is it really that different?

    My point being that both periods had something to look back fondly on, but that is all they are, memories.

  49. CC – Thank-you for the dose of sense at 58. I was beginning to get a headache what with banging my heed against a brick wall, or so it seems, with some others…. :)

  50. I really proud of the lads last night.

    They fought til the very end of the game and that was please to see.

    And all the kids that played last night did really good
    I think this game Vuckic showed what really he capable of even not the best game for him. It’s still stuck in my mind the way Vuckic passed the ball to Carroll at the nearly end .. That was quality.

    What have NUFC ever do to the referee to f**k up with us everytime !!! so sick of that arghhhh

    BTW well done to the Gooner the best team last night won but the scoreline was harsh though.

    My ultimate goal still in wait .. what wold have been if Smith’s strike went in .. 3 years and still counting. :p

    but now f**k it and get ready for the Derby game.

    HOWAY THE LADS !!!

  51. @ Batty
    I think you need to follow suit on the comments so far and look at the reality, without ranting. I know Barton is trying to clean up his act, but you can see he loses the plot at times.
    If only he could chanel that energy into his footie all the time he would be class.
    I thought the Toon were unlucky to not even get a goal, but youve got to love our squad now, and its the passing and ball skills they all have now that tears teams apart.
    Good luck.

  52. Like bloody Eastenders on here the day lads!..in saying that just give me Stacey Slater and I’ll be happy like :D haha

  53. With Arsenal averaging three goals per game I can’t understand for the life of me why there are still those having a go at Hughton and suggesting our squad isn’t nearly good enough because our kid lost by 4 goals. Not good enough against the Arsenal certainly but we knew that already – uh didn’t we? ….

    Also re. the comment that our youngsters are being coached badly: No they are definitely not after last night’s performance. I thought they were a credit to the club, just that Arsenal’s youth policy has been in place much longer than ours. I would also say that the experience gained by our youngsters even in defeat will prove invaluable and in any case how would Hughton and his team know which players he can rely on if picked for the first team unless they get opportunities such as this.

  54. that was a good game last night (obviously we enjoyed it more) but i thought your lot done well, the whole bendtner obstruction thing reminds me of agame a few years backwith tino asprilla offisde letting the ball roll through his legs and stepping into adams path to hold himup,good thing shearer wasnt blessed with pace lol but adams saw red for tugging him down, anyway we like you lot, goodluck for the weekend

  55. @ MM – yea, i wish that defender hadn’t got his foot to the ball. great little move by vuckic. really want to see him getting some more games in.
    bit disappointed we couldnt get more minutes for ferguson or donaldson, but either way, glad we’re done with the CC. looking forward to sunday!

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