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Now it’s the ‘Spurs model for Newcastle United says Pardew.

Posted on December 29th, 2010 | 163 Comments |

Pardew: More depth required.
Pardew: More depth required.
First it was the Arsenal model, then, briefly, the Aston Villa model. Now though, it’s the ‘Spurs model that Newcastle United should be aspiring to according to new manager, Alan Pardew.

Speaking to local rag, The Chronic, Pardew expressed his admiration of the North London side saying:

“Let’s be honest – They are a very, very good side.

“They had people who could really influence the game on the bench, and for us, we need to add that sort of quality.

“That’s what we hope to aspire to.”

Speaking on Newcastle’s previous defeat, to Manchester City, Pardew added:

“I thought we put a better effort in against Manchester City, if I’m honest in terms of threatening the goal, and that was because of our quality in that final third of the game.

“That’s something we need to work on, and make sure the deliveries and passing we put in there have more purpose.”

He went on to blame a couple of changes to the side for the Magpies’ capitulation to a ten man ‘Spurs team, hinting at a lack of strength in depth saying:

“A couple of key changes affected us.

“We had no balance down the left. Perchie did a brilliant job defensively for most of the game, but obviously he’s not natural on that side, and we missed Jose’s offensive play.

“It wasn’t a good game for us in and around set plays on that side, but the commitment and effort was there for all to see.

“I thought our best situation was when we were down 1-0, and Peter Lovenkrands got in down the side of the box. It was a big opportunity.

“We broke the line, and from that attack, which we messed up, they put the game beyond us.”

Pardew then moved on to his disciplinary problems with left back, Jose Enrique, who allegedly published a tweet on microblogging site, ‘Twitter’ before the game. He said:

“I think that’s something I’m going to surface with the players.

“I heard he tweeted that himself, and that’s something we can’t accept.

“We’ll make sure that doesn’t happen again as best we can. The information network, as it is, in society today means there’s instant news, but (it shouldn’t be) from our own players.

“That’s something I’ll be speaking to Jose about.”

As to whether he would be taking disciplinary action against the Spaniard, he didn’t say.

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163 Responses

  1. TOONSY wor lass doesnt change her mind as many times as the toon,whats ganning on maybe gan be 3/4 teams in one.
    see what a small tipple does for you threads thick and fast :)

  2. Mike Ashley aint gonna follow the Spurs model, he won’t splash so much cash. Or have I misunderstood the term “Spurs model” ?

  3. Ice – This is Worky’s work. You can tell he is radge as you can see the steam coming from the keyboard :)

    Munich – Tottenham haven’t spent that heavily to get where they have. What they have done is reinvested the big money they get from sales, plus a bit more, into the first the first team.

  4. I think AP was referring to Spurs bench depth. So far, NUFC has been relying on academy kids and Championship acquisitions of CH. THis keeps cost down, but results in losses when there are no quality reinforcements at hand.

    I don’t think anyone questions the effort NUFC put in during the last two games, but it was obvious that the only “spark” available is a 19 year old youngster. RAnger and some of the other youngsters are on track to be big contributors, but probably not this year. AP sees the need and is asking for it.

    BTW, some of the kids have come under fire by the coaches and managers for being late to practice or lackadaisical. Those coaches and managers need to remind themselves, or become aware, that nature nearly always has teens late risers and slow starters. Ask any teacher if you don’t believe me! So wise staff will alter practice to accommodate these developing minds and bodies, not try to force them into adult cycles.

  5. Fair enough statement really, if we want to have success both financially and o nthe field we need to look at the clubs that have done that. Arsenal are obviously the prime example of financial success and stability-as well as being a top team for yonks, and Spurs have shown that with good management and the right players you can transform a largely mediocre team into a solid PL and even CL side. I don;t really see this as Pardew being indecisive on which model Newcastle are going to follow which you seem to be saying Worky..after all, its always just going to be the “Newcastle Model” as there will always be aspects that differ between our hopefull future and that of our rivals, but the basic premise makes sense.

  6. NewkieBrown says:
    December 29, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    “I don;t really see this as Pardew being indecisive on which model Newcastle are going to follow which you seem to be saying Worky..”

    I’m saying absolutely nothing, Newkie Brown. The mutterings about Arsenal models and Aston Villa models come from before the time when Pardew joined the club.

  7. “Sunderland manager Steve Bruce has backed Darren Bent to come good again following his fifth game without a goal – the England striker’s worst barren spell since he left Tottenham for Wearside. ”

    Long may it continue… :)

  8. Beeguy..good point about the development of the young ‘uns, and not trying to force them into adult cycles. No-one will care about Ranger coming late to training if he turns out to be a start for the toon. An inflated ego can also develop in different directions, time will show..

  9. workyticket workyticket says:
    December 29, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    NewkieBrown says:
    December 29, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    “I’m saying absolutely nothing, Newkie Brown. The mutterings about Arsenal models and Aston Villa models come from before the time when Pardew joined the club.”

    Fair enough then Worky, I got the wrong implications from your piece :P

  10. From the Spurs selection I would suggest he has a tinkerman look about him. I have a slight feel of dread already! Hope I’m wrong but a couple of further bad results and we are in the drop zone.

    Can’t help feeling he is not getting the players on board either.

    I feel a bit like Cassandra, “Oh woe and thrice woe”

  11. Munich Mag, if I have said it once, I have said it a million times with no exageration. If the player is good enough then he is old enough. I said the same about Carroll before he got a real run out and he never really showed real potential before he was getting a proper start in games. Put Ranger in from the start if we want to see the best from him, I would also play Lua Lua once he is (match)fit again, he is also going to be a star given a real chance.

    Can you imagine Brazil without that young kid they chucked on in 1958, if they had said lets wait till he is older?

  12. Be careful what u wish for. Spurs helped finance their current squad by selling their prize possession – Berbatov. We all know who ours is at the mo!!

  13. clinath says:
    December 29, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    “Be careful what u wish for. Spurs helped finance their current squad by selling their prize possession – Berbatov. We all know who ours is at the mo!!”

    Hatem Ben Arfa?

  14. Grumpy Old-Toon says:
    December 29, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    “From the Spurs selection I would suggest he has a tinkerman look about him.”

    You’re not wrong, Grumpy Old-Toon.

  15. ice,
    hang in there mate, slowly, slowly catchy monkey.
    Take it EZ bud.

    Y’right about our defense.
    We should gan straight back to Colo/Willo as CB’s, as they had it going on.

    MM,
    Dead right about Tiote’s tackle mate.
    He kept his head, just, in the face of some ugliness there.
    ;)

    Soz for the late replies lads, got stuff on & off & on again.
    :)

  16. Grumpy…agreed mate, these promising young ‘uns need to be blooded at some time, it’s a question of when is the right time. One thing is for sure, in the majority of cases the fans would back the managers decision if the kids were blooded. However the same fans would be up in arms when the results went against us.

    It seems as if certain kids are being blooded i.e. Ranger and Krul, but for some reason the other kids i.e. Kadar and Vukic seem to be being overlooked ? Maybe they are not quite there yet ?

    BTW in 1958 Pele came was blooded into a not-too-shabby Brazilian team….!

  17. Spuds have gone & got the right man for the job in auld ‘arry.
    That’s the real difference.
    If we can stay in the league, build a bit over the next year or 2, then maybe we can pick & choose ourselves.
    But that is gonna take patience from us lot, i.e. not whining every time we lose a couple on the trot.

  18. you gotta trust the coaches decisions in picking the players – he sees them everyday in training. i feel like vuckic hasn’t even been making the bench recently, so maybe he’s just not proving it yet for pardew, who seems to favor experience.

  19. Any new manager is gonna plump for experience, at least until he’s seen everyone play for a few weeks.
    He doesn’t know the lads yet, they don’t know him.
    It’ll take a while yet.
    This is why changing managers sucks.

    We MUST stick with someone for 2+ years, at least.

  20. Clint …didn’t auld Harry turn the toon down a while back, it would be interesting to see where he would have brought us ?

    bit off subject, but flippin heck aren’t Villa dropping like a bomb…

  21. MM,
    aye he did mate.

    & on villa.
    Always said they flattered to deceive like.
    Then throw in a couple of MANAGER CHANGES & down you go.
    MO’N was always gonna drop ’em, soon as he didn’t get his way. What/who does that remind you of?
    :)
    Over emotional managers are great when it’s all good, but shite when it starts to go wrong.
    It upsets the team, they are like daft, inbred race horses, they need the rules hammering into ’em & stability, or they go off the scale.
    Villa, welcome to our world.
    :)

  22. what a pleasant suprise it’s crimbo & – zulu’s – on the box just for a change!

    i reckon it’s time i took a hike to the local.

  23. Wonder if marcus albrighton could make the step up and play for Newcastle. Love watching villa fans burst when I come out with that one :)

  24. Toonsy did you honestly think the level of performance was ‘poor’ yesterday considering we were playing a champions league side. I think we were nothing spectacular but not poor. In the time since we used to beat them regular, they have got ‘Arry as manager, major investment and finished in the top 4 whilst we crashed and burned and were not even in the top flight. We are still very much in a rebuilding job atm imo whereas they are now a top 4 side.

    Considering the players we had, (Perch at LB and Smith who hasen’t played much) I think we were good in the first half and I was suprised we got to half time, with the help of the goalposts. The only time I think we could have be labeled ‘poor’ was when they went down to 10 and we couldn’t even fashion a decent chance on goal with 3 strikers on.

    This will happen though this season. Lovenkrands and Smith just arn’t prem players. The biggest bonus was that Tiote wasn’t sent off because if we had missed him in the next two games it would have put us at a disadvantage imo. To teams like Wigan and West Ham he is almost unplayable for them.

  25. So it`s the Spurs model now ?
    Just as i thought , this guy Pardew, has no clue.
    There was a certain sense of purpose when Hughton was in charge, a bit of rebuilding (with little in the way of funds)
    However Ashley`s now got his big name manager and following two losses in a row the bullshit is starting.
    He`s also getting into it with Toro, threatening disciplinery action over a twitter he did`nt like.
    Well the honeymoon is over, what are you gonna do now, big name manager, ask Ashley to spend money ?
    That seems what he is hinting at, good luck with that !
    I gotta feeling this is not going to end good.
    But on a brighter note, at least the side is playing hard, both the games against Citeh & Spurs were hard fought,against two leading sides and their was no lack of effort.
    Hey! I just think the Pardew move was a really bad decision, a real panic move.

  26. To be fair like someone said to moi yesterday, Would you have taken a draw against the bindippers, A draw against Citeh and a draw with Spurs if so we would have 3 points.

    What did we end up with from those 3 games… ;)

  27. DJG,
    Aye, what did we really expect v manc & spuds.
    2 teams with players & cash to burn, upper eschalons of the league, stability?

  28. I just can’t believe people are moaning and suprised that we’ve lost the last two games. Apart from 3-4 players we are a pretty bog standard average prem side these days. What do people expect, that we should be racking up wins against the top 4 sides in the country. Give ya heads a shake man. With or without Hughton we wouldn’t have got more than 3 points out of the last 9 and I’ll tell you that for nowt.

  29. Would just like a couple of players who can play wide and put a decent cross in the box, might not play so many long balls then.

  30. ice

    I think we badly miss a Solano or a Robert atm mate. I don’t think Pedersen is the answer but we need benny back and I would consider Gosling central Barton out right because he’s done well there.

    ————–Krul————-
    Simpson–Taylor-Collo—Enrique
    Barton—Gosling-Tiote—Benny
    ——–Nolan—Carroll——-

    That would be good if we could have that by the end of Feb. If we signed a prem striker to play alongside Carroll even better but not a hasbeen like Keane.

  31. jay jay

    I don’t know mate someone for the righthand side, Solano wasn’t fast but was creative. Doesn’t look like Spurs will sell Kranjar anymore or I would have said him. Think Lua Lua will be good eventually but we can’t wait that long.

  32. DJG i would swap jonas/rout or both for him in a heart-beat,players like robert at times good but never worked,but at that time we had players who would cover for him,we need all hands to the pumps now

  33. Maybe someone older and cheaper but with experience, who can cross the ball and be a Solano for us until youngsters come through. Someone who can take freekicks better than Barton and Carroll would be class.

  34. Thats got me thinking you know. Have we scored a single goal from a direct free kick this season? Coz I can’t think of one.

  35. Sorry to say I don’t think we nheed wingers. Barton has supplied the crosses for AC’s headed goals. Suggest that we need to play 4-3-3 with three midfielders who are versatile. eg Barton, tiote & jonas. Play with three tight in midfield aiming to change tack with width etc from the break. Three up front want to be creative and finishers. I think in time we have HBA-AC-NR with HBA & NR closing down the flanks and with three men attcking both flanks or through the middlw I see a bright future. Need a Right wing back to compliment Jose though

  36. Smith and Perch are going nowhere, as they were two of the most impressive players v Spurs. Get rid of Xisco, Lovrnkrands and definitely GUTHRIE who is the worst player to ever pull on the black and white stripes! Bring in Bentley, Donovan & Wrigh Phillips on loan and buy a young left back (Kyle Naughton?) and ANTHONY ANNAN- very similar to tiote and hailed as the new Essien and the future of Ghana. Plays at Rosenborg and could get for less than 4 mill easy! Get him before he gets snapped up, Trust Me!

  37. I think we’re desperate for wingers. Dos Santos could be a good idea, but how much would he cost?

    Looking at the wingers Spurs have, which is their huge strength IMO and both goals came from their wings (Bale has 10 goals) ‘Arry must be ready to cash in on one. A sneeky bid for someone like Dos Santos I think he would snap your hand off.

  38. SWP is absolute shite, have you not noticed, can’t score enough to be a striker, can’t cross so not a winger either.

  39. Anyone else think we would have got something out of the last 2 games under Hughton? I knaa,, woulda coulda shoulda, but the spurs game was EXACTLY the sort where we would have come away with an unlikely point or 3 afew weeks ago.

    The reality is our first team squad is hugely inferior to the quality and depth of spurs, arsenal and chelsea. Depressingly a considerable bit behind villa, everton, and even the scum – but the Hughton factor was helping us overacheive. Now that’s gone we have every reason to look at the respective teamsheets, note the difference in class and start to prepare for a gritty, miserable relegation-threatened second half of the season.

    Can someone remind why Hughton was sacked, and more worryingly why was a bad decision followed up by an aven worse one in the appointment of nowhere man – Pardew.

  40. I think the thing that annoys people about the City/Spuds game is that we “could” have got something from them, even when in reality the odds were against us. Our early defence was dissappointing vs city as our attack was against spurs, but at the end of the day I expected nothing from either-Max we could have got from spurs would have been 0-0 imo anyway with all the suspensions we had.

    All these doom prophets should give it a bloody rest-the next two results are the important ones-and they always have been. Hopefully we’ll have our full first team for both (including Shola) and we can do away with them.

    Thought Smith did alright in the spuds game actually, he had some decent tackles-if he wasn’t on to grab some heat I reckon tiote would have got himself sent off and where would we be then? To be fair so did perch for most of the game, would still like to get rid of both though. Smith has been much better than Guthrie when he’s had the chances though, and I can only hope Vuckic starts getting some runs soon because our counter attacking is absolutely dire, yet a game where we were quite successful in it (Chelsea cup game) Vuckic played a strong part in. We’ve got nobody in CM who really picks up and runs…Barton tries but I think he’s more suited on the right as routledge right now is basically a wasted player on the pitch.

    I look forward to Lualua’s return as well..really don’t see how he could be worse than jonas right now.

  41. DJG says:
    December 29, 2010 at 4:43 pm
    jay jay

    I don’t know mate someone for the righthand side, Solano wasn’t fast but was creative. Doesn’t look like Spurs will sell Kranjar anymore or I would have said him. Think Lua Lua will be good eventually but we can’t wait that long.

    MGPederson, Taarabt at QPR, Moses – Wigan or Babel on loan from liverpool until the summer.

    The one winger who has anihilated Enrique this season is CY lee at Bolton. Watch those highlights if you don’t trust me.. Enrique was outmususcled and out-thought for 90 mins,, it’s rare IF EVER you’ll hear me say that.

  42. NewkieBrown says:
    December 29, 2010 at 5:37 pm
    I think the thing that annoys people about the City/Spuds game is that we “could” have got something from them, even when in reality the odds were against us.

    True, but we were odds-on to not beat Arsenal, Liverpool, everton, Villa, Chelsea etc.. We haemorraghed points in the games we expected to get points from, and relied on our compact away formation to generate points against more open, attacking teams. I just hope we have switched it around, rather than lost both abilities to perform now.

  43. So what is Kenia valued at these days anyway?

    Checked him out during the summer when people were talking about him for around £2 million, seems a good player. Worth more now?

  44. boater

    A Johnson destroyed Enrique in first game and was in second game aswell. Only player who has had the true beating of Enrique imho, but you might be right about Lee but the whole team was just generally disposed of in that game.

  45. DJG – Yes I do think we were poor yesterday. To create absolutely jack shit is not good enough in my opinion. We created a load of chances against, in fact we even created chances away at man Utd in our very first game. To create nothing, even against ten men for 25 minutes is poor in my opinion. Of course I never expected a win, but I hoped for us to at least look like wd wanted some points.

  46. boater says:
    December 29, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    “True, but we were odds-on to not beat Arsenal, Liverpool, everton, Villa, Chelsea”

    True enough-but we played both Villa and Everton early in the season-and both were expected to match last years form this year, yet instead they have proved to be pushovers for numerous teams. 6-0 against villa was remarkable for our second game of the season especially at the time-in hindsight loads of teams are scoring for fun against them. Everton match is effectively summed up by-Hatem Ben Arfa.

    The Chelsea cup match was the virtually our entire second string, vs a couple of chelski first teamers, and as with a lot of cup games its unpredictable-we were hardly going to beat them in the league at that time-granted we might if we played them last week or even tomorrow, but they’re going to find themselves form again. Or if you were reffering to our draw vs Chelsea..then their recent form shows more than the betting odds for the match would betray. Birmingham even beat them at home, so a loss would have been disappointing.

    As for the liverpool match it was the whole manager situation that put us against the wall, it was a far more winnable game than city/spurs, as those two have much better teams. Liverpool are like us squadwise-if they’re missing torres/gerrard they;re basically a joke.

    Arsenal-granted, certainly not favourites after losing 4-0 at home the previous week in the cup. All of those wins were brilliant,but they were never going to last -but like you said,

    “and relied on our compact away formation to generate points”

    That in itself was dangerous, we went away to play against open attacking teams such as West Brom and Bolton-expecting something, teams by all accounts much poorer than arsenal etc, and both of them completely destroyed us, even with the mighty Hughton in charge…

    If we lose the next two matches then yes we’re in the crapper and Pardew will have a ton of work to do, but I just can’t stand all these accusations and doomgloom boll0cks after losses to two CL/titlentending teams..

  47. Toonsy-

    Didn’t Pardew say that though in his interview. That there wasn’t enough quality in the final third to hurt Spurs. I think Lovenkrands was poor when he had about a 10 yard head start on their last defender and he put Carroll under pressure and then they went down and killed the game, but that is what will happen mate until we sign some decent forwards its not Pardew’s fault.

  48. DJG …dead right, Lovenkrands control let him down on an almost one on one with the keeper, he lost the ball, then we’re 2-0 down

  49. I wish we’d went in for Adel Taarabt when Spurs weren’t giving him a go like, he’s brilliant with the ball at his feet. Is he on loan or was it a permanent move to QPR?

  50. toonsy says:
    December 29, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    “Of course I never expected a win, but I hoped for us to at least look like wd wanted some points.”

    You’re getting at something which I always argue with apposing fans.

    They’re always like, ‘you lot think your a big club’ or ‘you’re too demanding’ or ‘you never want a 1-0, you would prefer to win 5-4’, and I just tell them it’s a load of crap and you’ve started to believe the perception the media portrays of us.

    The only things, I believe, we ask for from the players on the pitch is that they give 100% and that they go out to win the match, that’s the point of the game, to win!

    That’s what was missing yesterday. We went there to stifle their game, we went there to ruff them up and disrupt their flow, hoping to nick one with a set play.

    In a nut shell, we went there with one central aim, stop them winning!

    There is a massive difference in mind sets between trying to stop a team winning and winning the game yourself. That’s why I think the performance/tactics from last night stick in the teeth a bit.

  51. MM

    Thats why top strikers cost a lot of money mate coz in that situation they have a touch that takes them in on goal and it’s 1-1. That would have tottaly changed the game with them down to 10 men because it would have been difficult for them to throw men forward and you have a last 10 mins to put them under pressure.

  52. Toonsy

    Well no you didn’t mate I suppose, but I get the impression that you and Worky are firing up the anti-Pardew propaganda machine again just looking through some of the last threads.

  53. Ultimately it was a poor day for us attacking, how many free kicks did we have that would usually give us something? We must have had about 4 around 30/35 yards out that Barton would usually plant right on top of Carrolls head. Yes it shows our over reliance on both players, but i’m not that worried. On another day they’d have gone in like. Lovenkrands was the most dissappointing, and Ranger was very quiet as well, hardly noticed the lad.

  54. jay jay….doh! :lol:

    Ross… he signed permanently for QPR in August mate…reet I’d better start packing.

  55. DJG – I’ve not said a word about Pardew mate. In fact several of my threads have been along he lines of getting behind him, so you can get that misconception straight out of your head.

    Worky may not like him, but don’t tar us all with the same brush.

    Different with Hughton though I notice? I mean you rolled out the anti-Hughton bollocks on a frequent, but that was ok I take it? It’s just not ok for others to have an opinion?

  56. Where did I say you couldn’t have an opinion, and where did you not have a go at me whenever I said anything that didn’t suit the pro-Hughton agenda on here?

  57. DJG – When you falsely accused me of trying to stir up anti Pardew stuff, something I have never done.

    Word of warning: Don’t wind me up tonight. I’m not in the mood.

    If you are going to accuse me of something, at least have something to back it up because at the minute you are just being a shitstirring shitbag.

  58. Ice that means nowts out of bounds then,
    DJG I will agree with Toonsy @ 89 I have seen him try to give Pardew the benefit of the doubt.
    I feel the same as I said before we need to get behind the team and surely that includes the manager, The thing that really annoys me is while Pardew is taking all the fallout from the CH shafting the Fat Controller is getting away scot free.

  59. What you being so aggressive for. I didn’t even mean to imply that YOU personaly were against Pardew. I would have said the same thing to anybody. You snap over nowt, chill out man.

  60. I didn’t ‘try and pin stuff on you’

    ‘Well no you didn’t mate I suppose, but I get the impression’

    your paraniod, and don’t call me a tosspot either.

  61. The next two games will give us the ultimate indication whether or not Hughtons sacking has had a negative impact. The spirit seems to be alive, but can it withstand and prevail in the way it 100% would have with Chris still in charge.

    The next 2 games are Pardews ultimate test. If he fails, we can expect a downward spiral. If he succeeds, we will be OK.

    As much as I would like Ashley to have egg on his face, and Pardew (who i believe was complicit) I want NUFC to succeed above all else.

  62. I have spare gloves and if you want I can ref the fight if you’s want to settle it the old fasioned way ;)
    DJG I hate to get involved in this domestic :) but

    85 DJG says:
    December 29, 2010 at 6:15 pm
    Toonsy

    Well no you didn’t mate I suppose, but I get the impression that you and Worky are firing up the anti-Pardew propaganda machine again just looking through some of the last threads.
    I think its where you said ( you and Worky )
    So dont be a Tosspot and say sorry ;)

  63. DJG says:
    December 29, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    “Toonsy

    Well no you didn’t mate I suppose, but I get the impression that you and Worky are firing up the anti-Pardew propaganda machine again just looking through some of the last threads.”

    DJG, I am but Toonsy certainly isn’t. BTW, why are you trying to defend Pardew for the same performances you would have absolutely slaughtered Hughton for?

  64. Edward Rogers says:
    December 29, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    It has nothing to do with who the manager is. If you want a good team get good plyers. If you want a great team, get great players.

    Simple really.

  65. workyticket says:
    December 29, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    I don’t think you can blame any manager for poor displays if they’ve only been in the job 2 weeks.

    But it’s fair enough to ask questions of a manager who’s been in the job over year and his side are bein beaten at home by Stoke, Blackpool, Blackburn and only drawing against Wigan.

  66. Ice im sure the under carriage is feeling a lot better with the stitch’s out mate.
    Stuart the way I see it is we have far more chance of Pardew getting money outa the Fat man, to get some good players in in Jan, than CH would have.

  67. Stuart79 says:
    December 29, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    “I don’t think you can blame any manager for poor displays if they’ve only been in the job 2 weeks.”

    Where did I criticise Pardew for yesterdays performance, Stuart? Nowhere.

  68. I don’t think it would have made a difference who was in charge in the past two games, we played top 4 teams and lost. At Man City we were alright apart from the first 10 mins and I don’t care who was in charge, I reckon it would have been the same.

    At Spurs, I wasn’t happy about team selection, but perhaps Smith was to try and be a bit more defensive, makes sense. We had no left back and again, only had one left back for the past 6 managers, so again, can’t blame the man in charge for that.

    We just have to hope that come Wigan and West Ham, we can get the results we need

  69. DAVE aye it is, but bloody sore m8.

    its alright getting money to spend dave but is he the right guy to spend it,one mans meat is another mans P,and all that,guess we will have to wait and see on this one

  70. workyticket says:
    December 29, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Where did I say you criticised him? You said DJG would have ‘slaughtered’ Hughton but not Pardew and I said you couldn’t criticise a manager who’s only been at the club for five minutes.

    Paranoid me thinks.

  71. Ice…cheers and I won’t

    jay jay…only you would think of the fudge :lol:

    Toonsy…Madrid to see wor lass’s family for New Year mate.

  72. Face it our policy against a quality Spurs side was to play a physical game.
    As for our attacking tactics, straight out of BSA`s playbook, wellie it into the box on the hope our big guys can cause havoc.
    On saying that, if you cant play football with them,you gotta try something else.
    Look we lack the quality of the top sides and dont have a large squad, which means when injury`s accur we have to play the likes of Perch Routledge and the wild man Smith, we gotta get more quality if we are to compete.
    We are what? three years into the original five year plan and no better than when we started.
    Sounds like the Soviet Union in there hayday, gradually going down the tubes.
    It`s gonna take money to get this side competitive and the sooner the owner figures it out the better, but thats where the problem lies, he does`nt want to invest in his business.
    And girls, pleez! be nice.

  73. Well Ice we can only hope that we dont get anymore Best’s or Perch’s :lol: .
    As I dont think CH would have got any money at all, and I dont think we could have relied upon ” the great Team Spirit” to keep us up as I do think we were starting to slip down the slippery slope

  74. Just listening to Roy Hodgson….

    Does anyone else reckon that managers are duty bound to mention ‘Barclays’ in front of the Premier League. I’ve noticed that most of them are doing it…

  75. Stuart79 says:
    December 29, 2010 at 7:26 pm (Edit)
    workyticket says:
    December 29, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    “Where did I say you criticised him? You said DJG would have ’slaughtered’ Hughton but not Pardew and I said you couldn’t criticise a manager who’s only been at the club for five minutes.

    Paranoid me thinks.”

    Why didn’t you just use your original comment instead of trying to deceive people as you usually do?

    “I don’t think you can blame any manager for poor displays if they’ve only been in the job 2 weeks.”

    If you didn’t try to deceive people so much, they may start to respect you a little more, Stuart.

  76. Dave…Cheers, fly 6am, already got a boozer sorted for the Wigan match…..hopefully, bit p!ssed of about missing the West Ham game tho.

    jay jay, nae getting into botha at Wigan Pier mind ;-)

  77. toonsy says:
    December 29, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Yeah they do, toonsy. I heard Holloway say that in an interview he forgot to say the ‘Barclays’ and corrected himself.

    workyticket says:
    December 29, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    I’m not after any respect, Worky. Having said that people do tend to have a lot of it for me. That’s probably because I’m proved correct on most things. It just tales a bit of time for people to realise.

  78. Big Dave says:
    December 29, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    “Well Ice we can only hope that we dont get anymore Best’s or Perch’s .
    As I dont think CH would have got any money at all, and I dont think we could have relied upon ” the great Team Spirit” to keep us up as I do think we were starting to slip down the slippery slope”

    Dave, it’s very sad to see your pathetic sniping at Hughton after all he did for the club. Is it because he’s black?

  79. Worky – Where did Dave mention race or colour anywhere? I think that was a bit uncalled for. He may have a different view on Hughton, but it doesn’t mean to say what you are trying to imply.

  80. whoa…Worky, where did that come from, I’ve never seen Dave make any comments along those lines mate.

    Is everyone in a bad fettle tonight like, howay lads don’t get upset I’ll only be gone a few days ;-)

    Toonsy… aye I bet ya have. :-)

  81. toonsy says:
    December 29, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    That’s Worky Modus operandi, toonsy. I’ve lost count of the amount of times he brings that race issue out.

    Shame really.

  82. workyticket says:
    December 29, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Dave, it’s very sad to see your pathetic sniping at Hughton after all he did for the club. Is it because he’s black?

    That sentance could also be used regarding your constant sniping at Pardew for doing nothing but accepting a huge challange.

  83. toonsy says:
    December 29, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    “Worky – Where did Dave mention race or colour anywhere? I think that was a bit uncalled for. He may have a different view on Hughton, but it doesn’t mean to say what you are trying to imply.”

    I’m not implying anything, Toonsy, I’m just asking a straight question. I know that it is an issue with some people, though of course, they never mention it.

  84. Stuart79 says:
    December 29, 2010 at 8:06 pm (Edit)

    That’s Worky Modus operandi, toonsy. I’ve lost count of the amount of times he brings that race issue out.

    Go on, have a go, how many times Stuart? And don’t lie again.

  85. Big Dave says:
    December 29, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    “Are you trying to imply that I am racist ????”

    No, I’m just asking a question, Dave. Why do you and DJG loathe Hughton so much? You’re both constantly sniping at him and trying to undermine what he did for the club, and I’m just curious to find out the real reasons for it, whatever they are.

    As for my criticisms of Pardew, he’s a mediocre manager, he’s flash and he doesn’t tell the truth and has a history of problems in the dressing room. Newcastle United may not be relegated with him, but they certainly won’t be going very far.

  86. Stuart79 says:
    December 29, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    “I’ve left my note pad in the car unfortunately…”

    But you said lost count of the amount of times, Stuart. Surely you can manage something better than that?

  87. workyticket says:
    December 29, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    You mean he alledgedly doesn’t tell the truth. I mean you don’t know for sure if he’s a liar do you?

    You see I don’t think anyone can have a true opinion on how good Hughton is as a manager. Last season he had the best squad, the highest wage bill and spent more money than anyone else in the league. We won the league well, yet we should have won the league with the squad we had.

    This season it could be argued that Hughton’s looked way out of his depth with poor displays at home against pretty ordinary teams.

    So it could be argued that your constant praise of Hughton and your constant talk about him being a great manager is at best premature and at worst ridiculous!

  88. Worky would you normally go round asking people you have never met face to face if they are Racist ?
    But I 100% dont believe that you were asking me that out of interest I believe that you were implying that I am racist, and I really do take offence to that.
    Not that I need to explain myself to you but for the record I don’t and never did “loathe Hughton” he mightn’t have been my favourite manager but you are completely wrong in what you presume.

  89. workyticket says:
    December 29, 2010 at 8:29 pm
    Stuart79 says:
    December 29, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    “I’ve left my note pad in the car unfortunately…”

    But you said lost count of the amount of times, Stuart. Surely you can manage something better than that?

    How can I tell you how many times if I’ve lost count?

  90. Stuart I and im sure many other have seen Worky use the Race card a few times before, but the trouble I have found with Worky is that he will later re-edit comments that he has made, so you could go to the bother to look them up and might find that the comments arnt the same as the originals.

  91. Big Dave says:
    December 29, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    “Worky would you normally go round asking people you have never met face to face if they are Racist ?”

    If they were expressing constant antipathy and cheap cracks towards someone who happened to be black when they obviously didn’t deserve it, then yes, I would and I have. It doesn’t mean I think that they are, I’m just asking but I haven’t received an answer yet.

    Big Dave says:
    December 29, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    “Stuart I and im sure many other have seen Worky use the Race card a few times before, but the trouble I have found with Worky is that he will later re-edit comments that he has made, so you could go to the bother to look them up and might find that the comments arnt the same as the originals.”

    One thing I will say, Dave. You ARE a liar and I won’t make any apology for that.

  92. “As for my criticisms of Pardew, he’s a mediocre manager, he’s flash and he doesn’t tell the truth and has a history of problems in the dressing room. Newcastle United may not be relegated with him, but they certainly won’t be going very far”

    I’m inclined to agree. What we have done is swap an inexperienced but highly motivated manager with an experienced but clueless replacement.

    Pardwho is just another example of the many mediocre managers we’ve appointed in the last ????? years. If FatMan was really keen to move this club on he’d have searched further than the dark, dingy corners of the casino :(

  93. Big Dave says:
    December 29, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Worky what part am I lying about ??

    “but the trouble I have found with Worky is that he will later re-edit comments that he has made, so you could go to the bother to look them up and might find that the comments arnt the same as the originals”

    And where are these countless examples of me using the “race card” as you call it. Oh! Of course! I will have edited them all. How silly of me!

  94. Ask yourself this question ?

    If Pardwho was introduced to the fans as the new manager at any time during the past six years, i.e. after SBR was sacked (Fat Parasitic twat may you always be known as the man that sacked SBR, you bloodsucking fat phuck)
    would you :

    a) Be delighted
    b) Be cautiously optimistic
    c) Be downright suicidal

  95. workyticket says:
    December 29, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Very admirable, Worky. It takes a big man to come clean and admit it.

  96. AndyMac says:
    December 29, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    What’s your point?

    Everybody knows Pardew isn’t the best choice and it’s baffled everyone in and out of the game, but Ashley has made the decision and we have to get behind him now he’s here.

    Is he going to lead us to the top, I doubt it, but once Ashley had decided he didn’t want Hughton who else would come up here and work for this idiot and have no money to spend?

  97. workyticket says:
    December 29, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    ‘No, I’m just asking a question, Dave. Why do you and DJG loathe Hughton so much? You’re both constantly sniping at him and trying to undermine what he did for the club, and I’m just curious to find out the real reasons for it, whatever they are.’

    Im not a racist and neither is Dave. Why are you making accusations like that. Just because people have different opinion to you doesn’t make them a racist. What a hurtful and silly thing to say.

  98. Worky I couldn’t be bothered looking through the Blogs to see where you have used the race card before but you have, I think DJG might have been one of the bloggers you used it on and maybe JJ I think if he is the one from Africa.
    But I do have proof of you re-editing comments you have made and deleting other bloggers comments, and I know Stardust also has copies of Comments you have made then re-edited them.
    But personally I dont really give a toss about all that as I have far more important things going on in my life at the minute. But I do give a Toss about you saying> “Dave, it’s very sad to see your pathetic sniping at Hughton after all he did for the club. Is it because he’s black?”

  99. DJG says:
    December 29, 2010 at 9:08 pm (Edit)
    workyticket says:
    December 29, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    “Im not a racist and neither is Dave. Why are you making accusations like that.”

    I’m not, I merely asked Dave a simple question, that’s all, there was no “accusation”. I’m just curious for the real reasons behind Dave’s antipathy towards Hughton, which you seem to share. Don’t try and distort people’s arguments because you will be found out, like Stuart.

  100. AndyMac says:
    December 29, 2010 at 8:59 pm
    What’s your point?

    I think that should read

    Stuart79 says:
    What’s your point?

    My point is Stu babes that we are no better off, as a club, than we were before. We have got more or less the same thinking at Team Manager level than we had when CH was here. Neither of whom had the moxey to get anywhere near the soft underbelly of the Top Six although Blackpool might do it and Bolton probably will.

    We are no better off than we were before yet Fat Man had the chance to bring in someone who could make a DIFFERENCE but chose to keep Llambias happy by appointing his drinking buddy.

    Is that POINT ENOUGH Stu Babes ?

    Yeay N’Zogbia off

  101. Worky I dont like Nolan as i’m sure you have worked it out as many others have and I have never hid the fact and sure he is not black and you have never asked why I dont like him. But you ask me about CH and I have never stated that I didnt like him ???
    And dont try to say that you werent trying to imply that I didn’t like CH because the clour of his skin, as if you dont have the balls to admit it dont say it in the 1st place.
    Sometimes your rants remind me of Hitman when he was on the drink, and if you are on the drink I would advise you to give it up.

  102. Big Dave says:
    December 29, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    “Worky I couldn’t be bothered looking through the Blogs to see where you have used the race card before but you have, I think DJG might have been one of the bloggers you used it on and maybe JJ I think if he is the one from Africa.”

    I did discuss the issue with JJ as he was making some slightly dubious comments about black politicians in South Africa, and I will not tolerate racism on this ‘blog under any circumstances.

    As for your proof of me re-editing my own comments in some kind of attempt to deceive, where is it?

  103. Big Dave says:
    December 29, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    “And dont try to say that you werent trying to imply that I didn’t like CH because the clour of his skin, as if you dont have the balls to admit it dont say it in the 1st place.”

    I was simply asking a question, Dave. Have the balls to be honest instead of lying, making false accusations and trying to play the victim.

  104. Is everyone a liar to you, Worky? You accuse everyone of lying and you really have very little evidence of this.

    I believe Dave to be a good guy and which ever way you butter it up, you insinuated he was a racist, otherwise why mention it? You didn’t ask him if he didn’t like him because he was Irish or because he had grey hair did you? Why not?

  105. Worky if you want me to proof you re-editing

    http://www.nufcblog.org/2010/04/whatever-happened-to-the-class-of-1993/

    or

    http://www.nufcblog.org/2010/04/title-time-plymouth-v-newcastle-united-match-preview/#comment-58538

    and another one I have saved on a memory stick,

    I will, but just incase it jogs your memory one of them was the night you Banned your old mate Stardust for nothing except having a bit of banter with me.
    Now before I do I will make it clear that I wouldn’t get much of a kick out of showing you being sneaky or underhanded but if it stops me from being called a liar and its what you want I will .
    And to think all this sh1te was started over you basically tagging me as being a racist and being to arrogant to admit that you got it wrong or over stepped the mark :(

  106. Reet Lads im away I have a few things to do thanks for the kind words ;)
    Worky just let me know if yo want to carry this on and if so I will put up the originals and links to the re-edited version sometime tomorrow on the Blog But as I said I have no urge to prove you wrong. But I strongly disagree with you basically tagging me as being a racist and being too arrogant to admit that you got it wrong or over stepped the mark .
    Ang going by some of the other comments I am not the only one that came to the conclusion that that was what you were implying.

  107. Whey I’m away to kip, early flight and all that, If I don’t get on here while I’m in Madrid have a good New Year all and hopefully at least another 4 points in the bag when I get back. HWTL :-)

  108. Big Dave says:
    December 29, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    “Worky just let me know if yo want to carry this on and if so I will put up the originals and links to the re-edited version sometime tomorrow on the Blog”

    Do what you like, Dave.

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