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Pardew: Newcastle United’s transfer policy no different from Manchester United’s.

Posted on August 21st, 2011 | 51 Comments |

Alan Pardew and Kevin Keegan.
Who do you believe?
In a rare interview, Newcastle United manager, Alan Pardew fas come out to firmly defend the way Newcastle United conduct their business in the transfer market.

He told local rag, the Sunday Stun, that Newcastle United are no different from clubs such as Manchester United in their recruitment policy, and added that he wasn’t really disappointed to have missed out on any players, saying:

“I don’t think the process at Newcastle is very different from elsewhere in the Premier League.

“It’s exactly what I had at West Ham in terms of chief executive (Derek Llambias) trying to do the deal – and it’s as simple as that. The board, and in this case we don’t really have a board – it’s Mike to a degree, agreeing with the deal that the chief executive has done.

“That’s the same as every other club that I know and how it works. I keep hearing these things about this football club that are actually just not true. I don’t think the procedure is any different.

“At West Ham I would tell Aldridge, my chief executive there, I would like to do a deal for him. He would go away and try and do the deal and most of the time it didn’t happen, to be honest.

“Usually because the other club make it impossible to happen. It is the same at Stoke – it is the same at Manchester United.”

“That was one that we had no control over – I think it was probably done before we got there. But outside of that, not really disappointed to have missed anyone.

“There’s always one or two you would like to have been involved in but we’re very focused on where we are right now. Of course, negotiations are ongoing – that’s all I can really say at the moment.”

Pardew’s assesment is in stark contrast to that of previous manager, Kevin Keegan, who condemned owner, Mike Ashley and Llambias in his current role as a pundit on the ESPN sports channel, where he said:

“Mike Ashley and Derek Llambias, you can’t work with these people. You can’t trust them. They tell you one thing and mean another.

“You try and sign a player, I had a ‘phonecall for about an hour to buy a player, I went off the phone, they had another conference call and said right, we don’t offer two million, we a million and they’ll reject it.”

Or, if the directors of other clubs involved in ‘phantom’ bids from Newcastle United recently are to be believed, they don’t put any bids in at all, while telling fans that they have.

However, while technically, the ways in which Newcastle United and other clubs do their transfer business may be very similar, the manner in which they conduct themselves in terms of the clarity and communication of the relevant parties, and the integrity of Mike Ashley and Derek Llambias could be very different.

But who do you believe? Keegan or Pardew?

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51 Responses

  1. Doing alreet in the predictor comp as well….if I may say so myself.

    On football matters I just can’t see MA letting Partridge spend any decent wedge….MA thinks if it’s free or on loan it is better for his back pocket.

    Useless Owner and a real noose around NUFC’s throat…..

  2. I still have a signed Keegan postcard when he signed first time around…says to jason love kevin keegan…..ahhhh happy days.

    Got a geet lush perm in the pic sitting in a newcastle brewery wagon…priceless.

  3. sirjasontoon says:
    August 21, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    “I still have a signed Keegan postcard when he signed first time around…says to jason love kevin keegan…..ahhhh happy days.”

    I’ve still got his ‘Head over heels’ on vinyl in mint condition SJT.

  4. Flash Boy….can’t beat a bit of KK on Vinyl…bet it’s worth a few bob Worky.
    (literally)

  5. Legendary Track used to have dancefloors heaving at the coach and horses wallsend…..love it !!

  6. Worky @7
    Yup the psychedelic version is certainly a better choice….bet it took mega amounts of cloth to make them camel coloured flares…..the trousers of a legend end of !

  7. typical biased article. whatever the transfer policy is, we have started the season much better than anyone would have thought. I am also still confident that we will see new players in before the deadline. But you carry on writing stuff like this while the true fans are over the moon we got one over sunderland.

  8. I think it’s a good article…balanced and wether we won yesterday or not this transfer shambles needs to be addressed and discussed.

    Sack The Board and Slap the Partridge !!

  9. yes i agree good article. firstly i dont like ashley full stop and pardew propably is just a puppet but i have to say he has grown on me. I hate all these lies and all the bad press around us. But i do agree with sale of carroll money was too good to turn down (if we re-invested it like was stated). Nolan was too old to be given 5 year deal on that type of wage and our midfield could he get in first team neways??? enrique had to go sad to see him in red shirt but who wants a player to play for you if he wants to go? money now to get new left back if this happens…. our bussiness so far im really happy with as for policy to this only pardew and ashley know how this is conducted. good season so far hopefully more to come when these players which have been really good buys in my point of view (cabaye what a steal) gel together, but we do really need a lb and a real goal scorer, could do with cb cover aswell

  10. Jason I’d love to hear your masterplan to get us winning the league and buying whoever the hell we want.Instead of having to hear you just constantly blairing on like a spoilt child.

    You are living in fantasy land.

  11. CackyPants-I have told the blog my masterplan many times…so keep up.
    Certainly buying top class luxury players has never figured in any of my comments ever on this or any other blog.

    Sensible investment has always been my motto so maybe have a rethink possibly do a little research before you come on here spouting crap.

    Love SJT

  12. Some of the comments are astounding-we have started the season without a left back and no recognised striker-FACT,liverpool have refused to sell players as they have no replacement as yet-THAT is how a proffesional team operates-I have no problem with free`s aslong as they improve the team but sometimes even the tightest of owners have to buy specialist players for certain positions.Taylor has worked his ass of at LB but any HALF decent manager will suss him out now-he`s out of position-FACT!!! Shola is not a natural goal scorer and wont get goals on a regular basis-he`s simply not good enough and out of his depth-he`s a nice bloke but he`s not good enough…I hope they invest some of the money as the free`s hav dried up and all that is left are the cast off`s…Decent start and a tremendous win against the unwashed-keep up the good work lads-C`MON THE TOON!!!

  13. Big al are you saying the way forward is to force players who dont want to play for us to stay? enrique did not play well at the back end of last season because he didnt want to play for us. I for one would much prefer to have ryan taylor playing out of position there and trying, then somebody who didnt care. I agree about shola not being good enough but I also can’t see an endless supply of quality strikers that would want to play for us, lets hope we can find one before the end of the window.

  14. dbathe says: (as have lots of others since Jan 31st)

    “But i do agree with sale of carroll money was too good to turn down (if we re-invested it like was stated)”

    I’ll accept that argument once there is a GENUINE No. 9 in the squad and not some half arsed cheap or free signing who isnt fit to lace boots etc etc. Otherwise its no argument at all is it ?

  15. dbathe says:
    August 21, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    “yes i agree good article. firstly i dont like ashley full stop and pardew propably is just a puppet but i have to say he has grown on me. I hate all these lies and all the bad press around us.”

    Thanks dbathe.

    Strangely, I feel that Mike Ashley and his recently installed PR machine actually want us to think of Alan Pardew as a “puppet”, hence the PR campaign by the club to emphasise the role of Graham Carr at Newcastle United. At how many other clubs do you hear so much about the work of the Chief Scout? It doesn’t come from nowhere, it is deliberately intended to undermine the role of the manager after the fan’s support for previous managers such as Keegan when he left, and Hughton when he was sacked.

  16. simonsez says:

    “Big al are you saying the way forward is to force players who dont want to play for us to stay? enrique did not play well at the back end of last season because he didnt want to play for us. I for one would much prefer to have ryan taylor playing out of position there and trying, then somebody who didnt care”

    Again no argument at all providing we dont end up with players playing out of position all season long just because Fatman wont reinvest.

    Lets not forget we’ve played two shltey teams so far and just about held our own. We play the likes of Citeh, M Usa and all with Raylor at left back and we’ll all be able to use the word raped just as our beloved leader did so famously :(

  17. I have to agree with Workyticket there – I’d never considered why it was Graham Carr was getting such recognition (great though he undoubtably is)

    I think it’s an attempt to make our managers appear disposable, more on the European model of a “head coach” than a true Manager, to avoid any fan discontent when he eventually leaves.

    Having said that, I do sometimes think this blog can be constantly, pointlessly negative. Obviously Ashley is trying to do this thing on the cheap, which I disagree with, but give the devil his due – we’ve got some good young exciting players in, and assuming we get a left back and a top striker in before the transfer deadline I’d say we’ll at least equal last seasons position and hopefully look to kick on the year after. Brave Sir Bobby got two 12th place finishes before he lifted us into the top four, remember!

    If we don’t get a left back and striker in before the window closes though, I’ll immediately accept Ashley is a fking chancer who will never change!

  18. John T says:

    “Having said that, I do sometimes think this blog can be constantly, pointlessly negative”

    Toonsy’s blog is the place to be John T, unless of course you’ve got a brain and can think for yourself :)

  19. John T says:
    August 21, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    “Obviously Ashley is trying to do this thing on the cheap, which I disagree with, but give the devil his due – we’ve got some good young exciting players in”

    John T, do you know who actually brought Graham Carr into the club? It certainly wasn’t Ashley or Llambias, so I wouldn’t give either of them the credit for bringing in young exciting players.

  20. s*land sent most of their stuff down our left, i.e. they were fully aware of our LB situation. They got no change though, ha!
    So, either them & the arse are shite or Raylor did alright. Then scored the winner.

    Aye, we need a LB, no mistake, but a bit of credit to the new ‘mackem slayer’ on his birthday would be nice, for once.

    Sick of the punditry crap that a team doesn’t do well, more the other team did shit.
    While that is undoubtably, occasionally the case, it ain’t always.

    Perspective transplant!

  21. workyticket says:
    August 21, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    “John T, do you know who actually brought Graham Carr into the club? It certainly wasn’t Ashley or Llambias, so I wouldn’t give either of them the credit for bringing in young exciting players.”

    Well, if Ashley takes the blame for everything which happens on his watch, as he should (even if in some cases he probably isn’t directly responsible) he presumably gets the credit for the good things that happen under him?

    The fact remains I think we have the makings of a good side here – but as I said last time if we don’t get this new left back in as well as a top striker before the window closes I’ll turn my back on Ashley for good!

  22. Convinced Pieters will be ours by the end of the week. Hoping for an unveiling on Sunday as I’ll be there.

  23. i have to be honest,over the last few years,i have been completely opposed to mike ashley.
    i will never be a fully paid up member of his fan club,but i do think a lot of us fans,can get clouded by our hate for him.
    no matter what you think of him and the mistakes he has made,he got us promoted at the first attempt,selling the so called stars,and spending virtually nicksy players.
    as a newly promoted team,he again spent f all on players,and we had a comfortable season,even raiding the family silver.
    this season we have spent nowt again,and we are beating sunderland,who have spent kings ransoms.
    i’m not about to second guess “jabba the warehouse”,as he is a law unto himself,but is he doing something right?
    everyone else is getting themselves into debt,chasing the impossible dream.
    is mike ashley a pioneer of a new way of doing things?,or just getting lucky with a few gambles?

  24. John T as Andy Mac so succinctly said, Toonsy’s blog is the place to be if you’ve got a brain and can think for yourself :)…..this is the place to be if you want to be inundated with negative drivel….

  25. TROJAN 69 says:
    August 21, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    “this season we have spent nowt again,and we are beating sunderland,who have spent kings ransoms.”

    Trojan, you’d be surprised how much, or how little Sunderland have actually spent when you consider that they have bought ten new players. Like Newcastle, they haven’t been above scouring the market for cheap deals.

  26. TROJAN 69 says:

    “but i do think a lot of us fans,can get clouded by our hate for him. no matter what you think of him and the mistakes he has made,he got us promoted at the first attempt,selling the so called stars,and spending virtually nicksy players”

    As someone said earlier if you give him praise for promotion you can also hand him brickbats for relegation. If he hadnt fecked around with that pillock Wise we may have been a little further along the “five year plan” by now and we’d be a darn sight better off financially too :(

    However, as Chuck said a couple of days ago, this team is not far off (when HBA returns) a decent side.

    Krul is still learning his trade but I feel more comfortable with him at No.1 than I did last season.

    Simmo, Colo and Saylor are all good enough and a new, young, pacy LB would certainly help.

    Midfield options looking better now that HBA and Dan Gosling have recovered from long term injuries. In fact we’re better off moving toward a single striker strategy now even before HBA comes back as we have far more quality in midfield than we have up front.

    If Pieters/Cissokho arrives along with a decent striker then
    Krul
    Simmo, Sayls, Colo, LB
    Tiote, Cabaye
    Jonas, Barton/Gosling, HBA
    Striker

    does look good enough to take on most BPL teams. Its just a question of whether Fatman wants to move on or stand still ?

  27. Trojan,
    i think there’s a hell of a lot about this ‘way’ of doing things that is called the ‘moneyball’ approach in American sports mate.
    The basic crux being that you scout players that are underrated, cheaper buys, contract rebels & the like, but you’re still getting a good team together.
    It might appear a bit ‘ragtag’, but it’s actually a very concise, thought out plan. All you have to do then, is build the spirit between the players involved, by their buying into the system & their real value comes up trumps. A lot of stat reading goes into it, & that’s why Carr is probably getting a lot of press/praise.

    Baseball teams have been employing it recently, deeply unfashionable ones & winning their leagues.

    Little known in this country, cos we’re blinded by shitey punditry, pppfffftttt!

    :)

  28. Munich Mag says:
    August 21, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    “John T as Andy Mac so succinctly said, Toonsy’s blog is the place to be if you’ve got a brain and can think for yourself”

    So why are on on here Munich? Are you just another one of those boring, lonely, resentful trolls who just likes to provoke a reaction? ;-)

  29. CLiNT FLiCK says:
    August 21, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    “The basic crux being that you scout players that are underrated, cheaper buys, contract rebels & the like, but you’re still getting a good team together.
    It might appear a bit ‘ragtag’, but it’s actually a very concise, thought out plan. All you have to do then, is build the spirit between the players involved, by their buying into the system & their real value comes up trumps. A lot of stat reading goes into it, & that’s why Carr is probably getting a lot of press/praise.”

    Well observed on the first bit Clint, but the Carr promotion has been a very carefully orchestrated plan too, trust me. Also, if the emphasis is to build the spirit between the players, then why employ a manager who has a history of losing dressing rooms? As I’ve written before, you can have a good plan that fails because it is badly executed, but time will tell.

  30. Worky…just defending a superior blog against cheap shots …take a look @24 … ;-) ;-) ;-)

    If I was lonely I wouldn’t come on here, cos you’re gonna get pretty freakin lonely posting on here and waiting 2 hours for a response……and even then you’ll only get some constant anti nufc crap… ;-)

  31. worky,
    i ain’t arguing with any of that mate.

    But, i would add, that ‘moneyball’ is about ’empirical’ evidence, not ‘out of date’ or punditry led blather.

    Also, you could be right about AP, but i would say, people can & do change, they also get painted the same over & over a la Barton.
    Shit sticks with some people, like skunk stink never to come out.
    Sometimes it’s over-egged bollox too.

    Maybe it’s all part of the plan too, with regard to Carr. Separating off the praise/blame dynamic. A bit like kk getting shot of the reserves to concentrate on the first team. I said ‘a bit’ like.
    :)

  32. workyticket says:
    August 21, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    “Also, if the emphasis is to build the spirit between the players, then why employ a manager who has a history of losing dressing rooms? As I’ve written before, you can have a good plan that fails because it is badly executed, but time will tell.”

    I think the problem is that some people (myself included) don’t feel that Pardew is being given any time at all – people took against him, “cockney mafia” and all that, and I genuinely think he could guide us to a top 10 finish and a good cup run and people would still be doing the old “pardwho” rubbish.

    Chopping and changing managers every 18 months hasn’t helped us much so far, and I don’t suppose it’s going to help us much in the future.

  33. We ‘the fans’ will always find something to moan about, & if we can’t, we’ll invent something.
    It’s never changed, ever!
    So just don’t let it bother you John, just believe what you want mate, everyone else does.

    ;)

  34. I agree with you there Worky. Most of us fans weren’t happy with the appointment of Pardew but we’ve got him now, regardless of how we feel, so if we want the team to progress we have to support him. Hopefully we’ll make some steady progress but if he fails then we can have another pop at Ashley!
    On a sidenote, pretty annoyed with the fact that Shane Long has managed to score 2 in 2 against Man Utd and Chelsea. Seems to be a pretty good buy even for 6.5 million and could of been plying his trade for us.

  35. Munich Mag says:
    August 21, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    “Worky…just defending a superior blog against cheap shots …take a look @24 …

    If I was lonely I wouldn’t come on here, cos you’re gonna get pretty freakin lonely posting on here and waiting 2 hours for a response……”

    That was Andy, so why take a cheap shot at this blog Munich?

  36. summerof69 says:
    August 21, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    “just went on a decent run and nearly scored.”

    Not really and attacking left back in general though 69, which isn’t a criticism.

    Den Haag are shite!

  37. Hi guys,

    Havent posted in awhile but been reading all your stuff everyday.

    Haha looks like the same anti establishment stuff from SirJasonToon and negative light articles from all of you guys (Worky, Hugh etc).

    But truth be told i’d rather this with it’s realism than Ed’s rose tint articles haha. I do like Ed mind you.

    But getting away from the heartache of Fat Ash….the team have done way beyond my expectation first 2 games. Luck or not…i dont care. Hell Manure we’re lucky to win their first game just like Chelsea were fortunate to win their second. And to beat Scumderland put me over the moon. I watched the game on telly (i’m in Malaysia by the way) i didnt really feel like we were under much pressure. The lads seemed calm and if it was a few more weeks into the season we would have been able to step up a few gears.

    Well…now lets just hope they fuc@king get a goalscorer and a LB in before the transfer window closes. And please not some young 17 year old kid on a free. And also hoping we dont screw up the good work with bad performances next 2 so called easier games.

    Howay the lads.

    p.s. Dont mind my critism lads…keep up the articles. It’s appreciated.

  38. I personaly believe them both. I think keagan is being honest and I also think pardew is probably bring equal ad honest. I do although think pardew had more wool over his eyes and is nerve enough to fall for it, or reluctant to break ranks knowing the gambling debts he owes both mike and lamearse. Another point is simply when keagan was here there was the comedy show that was director of football Dennis wise. Times have changed since then and I think the scouting guru is doing the job of finding the best young players and not getting ahead of himself like Wise did. So all round changes seem to be implemented. Although phantom bids would not surprise me as the current offer of 4.5 million for a 6 million rated player in peters. So it all fits. Old habits die hard and you can’t teach an old dog new tricks. But you can teach an old dog to shit in quiet.

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