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Posted on September 7th, 2011 | 92 Comments |

Mike Ashley: Is it all that bad?
Mike Ashley: Is it all that bad?
Over the past few years of the Ashley regime the NUFC faithful have had good reason to become discontented. However after drifting into yet another football based discussion at work, I had to think to myself, IS IT ALL THAT BAD?

Before I even begin I will clarify, this is not a pro-Ashley post, I have little time for him personally. Yet I am still firm in the belief that I would rather have Ashley and his crew in charge than a certain Fat Owner we all seem to remember.

Yes he’s broken up level 7, sacked the king, got us relegated and hired a man who looks like a Badger (Llambias) But he has also set us on a sound financial footing for hopefully many years to come. OK he’s setting us up to sell for a profit as soon as he has the chance, but at least NUFC will still be around in a few years time.

Look at Everton, can you imagine the summer of discontent that they have had, not buying anyone, let alone loaning someone as their wage structure and stadium demands are slowly killing the club? To top all that off they sold their best player on deadline day without time for a replacement (Sounds all too familiar)

We are in the Premier League, with some damn good players having been recruited over the summer, and again regardless of how frustrating it is to miss out on Zoggy, Erik Peters and a number 9, at least we are setting our stall out for the rest of Europe to see, we will no longer be held to ransom over transfer fees and sky high wages.

Speaking of the number 9 situation, it’s too easy to blame the board. To an outsider it looks like we had 3 top transfer targets, all of whom turned us down. NUFC need to rebuild, get back into Europe slowly and most importantly stably to entice the big guns back. That being said there is no excuse for undermining Pardew in that way, he made it clear he wanted a striker, the board had cash and they let him down, in public, badly.

Finally the real future of NUFC is Graham Carr, who is doing a fantastic job of building the French Foreign Legion at NUFC, and for good reason. Skilled, technically gifted players who regardless of if they are sold in the future represent a sound investment for the club.

In closing I think the classic saying, “You don’t demand respect, you earn it”, rings very true with NUFC. The club have fallen so publicly from grace, and yet I feel extremely positive for the future of our club. Pompey fans will agree here.

I’d rather have the gremlins of the club where I can see them, than offshore milking the club dry.

NUFCBlog Author: Mick toons Mick toons is a proud nufc fan hailing from Durham. He now lives in Yorkshire with another group of hard done by fans... Leeds United Mick toons has written 13 articles on this blog.

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92 Responses

  1. Welcome aboard Micky, and good ‘blog!

    Personally though, I think the “well at least Ashley isn’t quite as bad as Shepherd” argument is a something of false one which could be used to crush any crirticism of the current regime. It’s a bit like telling a parent that Gary Glitter isn’t such a bad person to babysit their children as it used to be Sidney Cooke.

    Perhaps the fact that we are discussing the chief scout as the club’s future is a testament of how effective the club’s PR department have been in marginalising the role of the manager with the fans after the Keegan fiasco. The fans of almost every other club hardly have a clue who their chief scouts are, but ironically, Carr was originally thrust into the limelight by the club in an attempt make the man who appointed him, Chris Hughton, look like a peripheral figure, a mere cipher, to fans who were upset with his sacking. Incidentally, while Carr may be a good scout, he was a pretty dreadful manager himself.

  2. Couldn`t agree more Mick, we`re on a far better financial footing and can build for the future, throwing money around hasn`t won us anything in the past. All we can do now is get on with supporting the eleven guys out on the pitch, the manager and NUFC in general.

  3. Good post Micky.

    Only 2 clubs were credited with having a good window, and they both did deals right at the end. Toon were not one named as NUFC got most of their men in early & they are already playing in the squad. The media forgot that, so we were overlooked.
    In fact, getting lads in early has given them time to learn each others moves and we even have passed judgment on some from their pre-season and regular season efforts. And none have been failing grades- only a few incompletes.

    I like that AP has a duty to manage, but not have to do anything but recommend on buys and sells. This takes him out of the pressure cooker of his personal likes or dislikes in the squad. And it relieves AP of running all around the world looking at lads. The acquisition function thus falls to Carr, who does not have to put a team on the pitch. This is a natural division of labor that only helps the club. I also like that AP is not doing contract negotiations, as that too, is a heavy internal pressure that can affect how he selects his squad.

    A final thought. What if it turns out that NUFC correctly determined that Andy C could never control his off-pitch behavior? Then how will we look at his last minute sale?

  4. What am I reading right.

    1st off (Yes he’s broken up level 7, sacked the king, got us relegated and hired a man who looks like a Badger (Llambias) But he has also set us on a sound financial footing for hopefully many years to come. OK he’s setting us up to sell for a profit as soon as he has the chance, but at least NUFC will still be around in a few years time.) Who ever posted this has either got a very short memory does NOT SUPPORT NEWCASTLE are damn right dumb. I set you back just after the Kev Keegan sacking. He appointed a BANK from London to try and sell the club or handle the sale of the club. The Head man from that bank appried over the air waves on the radio. I now remind you of this this was a time when Newcastle had Owen Viduka Martins and a few other high profiles on their book at the time. The Guy said Newcastle was already sound money wise. The gate tickets along was MORE then enough to pay the players wages 3x over. yeah that was when the fans dropped to about £32,000 instead of our 52,350 max!.

    2nd Carroll was walking on the correct side of the line after the steven taylor punch up. Nothing been said about his lifestyle apart from what cappello has said. To be frank & Honest I trust caps like I do ashley. But atleast Capello isn’t setting us up are is asset stripping. to make the Club worthless!.

    God Peeps read inbetween the lines

  5. Alreet Mick,
    welcome aboard mate.

    Good perspective man.

    The most difficult thing we fans are having to get used to is that this board aren’t gonna go down the route the last lot did. Over spending on has-beens, ‘big’ names, marquee signings to ‘appease’ a voracious public.
    That’s been hard to adjust to.
    But i feel it’s being established right now. Other clubs now are getting the message. It should mean, in the long run, that we won’t be skanked. That’s liverpool & s*lands job now.

    I look forward to further words from you mate.
    Again welcome.
    ;)

  6. Steve F says:
    September 7, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    “OK he’s setting us up to sell for a profit as soon as he has the chance”

    Unfortunately he isn’t going to sell Steve.

    SJH was right when he said that Ashley bought Newcastle United to promote Sports Direct in the far east. He moment of doubt has gone now that he has broken the fans.

  7. overall he is bad for the club imo,i dont want an owner who divides the fans,as much as he has.
    he can’t even be bothered to employ experienced football people,to run the club for him.
    all he’s ever done is employ friends of his,who go to the west london synagogue.
    llambias got the gig,as he attends the same place of worship,and i was told dennis wise got his job through going to the same place of worship.
    he’s turned the club into a low rent version of “the apprentice”.
    football matches are not played on balance sheets,what’s the point of having the best bank balance,in the championship.
    as for seeing the gremlins at the club,most of them drink in the beehive lol.

  8. CLiNT FLiCK says:
    September 7, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    “The most difficult thing we fans are having to get used to is that this board aren’t gonna go down the route the last lot did. Over spending on has-beens, ‘big’ names, marquee signings to ‘appease’ a voracious public.”

    Just what is it with this daft assumption that it is either Shepherd’s way or Ashley’s way Clint? It never ceases to amaze me how easily some people can be moulded to accept complete and utter fallacies wihtout the slightest degree of critical examination.

  9. worky,
    it ain’t an either or situation for me.
    But,
    if ever there was a way of going about things that needed stopping, FFS’s way was it.

    Now it’s been put to the sword, maybe, & i stress, maybe, we can go back to square one & start running it properly.

    I ain’t down with MA. But sometimes you have to clear the decks to start again.
    Obviously, whether MA is the person to take it to a new & better level remains to be seen.

    But as i’ve stated many a time, i’m a football supporter, not an owner supporter.
    Rationality has to be the order of the day & while i don’t expect logic from this lot (or any football club owner) i feel that this was always gonna happen.

  10. CLiNT FLiCK says:
    September 7, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    “Rationality has to be the order of the day”

    Clint, If “rationality” is based on fallacious logic, then it isn’t really rationality.

  11. Ashley won’t push us to another level, he wants us to market sports direct and he will do that by doing the minimal amount necessary to keep us in the top flight while trying to look like he wants us to kick on. Yes the finances are in much better shape, but we’re in a position where we are light years away from challenging at the top again because ashley is to stubborn and vindictive (or grudge bearing) to put his hand in his own pocket and invest in the team like abramovic does at chelsea for example

  12. Thers’e a certain amount of truth in both arguments.
    Yes we are probably better of financially in a sense.
    We now have a “Shark” retailer employing the same tactics to NUFC as used by “Sports Direct”, actually it’s difficult to know where the seperation point is, if at all.
    I mentioned in an earlier blog that the present ownership are on a steep learning curve in regard to running a football club.
    The main reason being IMO Ashley is a control freak who trusts few if any, the reason he is surrounded by “Yes Men”
    It appears no decisions great or small are made without
    his final stamp of approval.
    Sure one could argue he brought in a reasonable number of players, mostly younger and signed on long term contracts, with most on a wage scale considered fairly low.
    And yes the hiring of Carr was a positive move, strengthening the scouting system.
    However apart from that, the hiring of yes men adds little to the club.
    By that i mean we lack both a top management man, someone that every successful top side has, who is able to make the money judgements on players worth, plus a manager with a track record, with the right backroom staff, trainers coaches, etc.
    It,s one thing to drive a hard bargain on Transfer fees and wages, but it’s only part of what makes a team successful.
    That IMO is still a problem for someone who thinks he is capeable of doing it all without that group of experienced professionals.

  13. “not a pro-Ashley post” ??
    I would say it is pro-Ashley but at the same time I agree with lots of it. I for one am not too disgruntled with the way the club is run regarding player recruitment. Some class additions were achieved and over-the-top transfer fees were “avoided”. If the club was owned by the fans I’m sure we’d all be happy that our hard earned cash wasn’t squandered. But as it’s Ashley’s money loads of fans seem to be of the opinion that if a player valued at 7 million couldn’t be signed for that sum then Ashley should just have forked out another couple of million on top of the 7.
    Let’s face it Ashley came into the club as a “supporter”, willing to put millions of pounds in. He’s made mistakes, very bad ones which have cost him dearly and which have resulted in hatred from the same supporters he used happily share a drink with a couple of years ago. He now has no other option but to see the club as a bad investment and try to run it as a business. Quite different from the sheiks and oligarchs at other clubs.
    There’s only one real solution to the problem. We should all embrace Ashley again, forgive him his sins and ask him to become the supporter he once was. Easy, isn’t it. That way he’ll feel loved again and provide lots of cash for AP to go out and strengthen the team. And who knows maybe he’ll even speak to us every now and again and let us know how he feels and what his plans are.

    Comments anyone? All agreed then? Me thinks not.

  14. worky,
    aye, that’s true mate.
    If it’s proper rationality though, without fallacy…
    hearsay, or the like.

  15. Dutch,

    if a player valued at 7 million couldn’t be signed for that sum then Ashley should just have forked out another couple of million on top of the 7

    Valued at £7m by whom?

  16. chuck says:
    September 7, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    “The main reason being IMO Ashley is a control freak who trusts few if any, the reason he is surrounded by “Yes Men”…

    By that i mean we lack both a top management man, someone that every successful top side has, who is able to make the money judgements on players worth, plus a manager with a track record, with the right backroom staff, trainers coaches, etc.”

    Chuck, if you were a top manager who was in demand elsewhere, almost certainly under better terms and conditions and with more say in your own destiny, would you work for Ashley?

  17. There are a hell of a lot of presumptions about the situation. Also, a lot of time to cement those views amongst fans, if you say it long enough & loud enough etc.
    Couple that with virtually zero from the actual mouth of ashley.
    That makes for very shaky ground to base projections on.

  18. Hugh, “Valued at £7m by whom?” Not by anybody in particular, was just an figure/example to make the point. It could apply to Pieters that PSV were holding out for too much but obviously it could still be Ashley/Lambias being too tight.

  19. Maes me laugh when (ill-informed) people say we are on a sound financial footing. We’re not. We still owe money, just to Ashley and not a bank. As he’s the owner, he’s not going to call in the debt and bankrupt the club as it is a huge asset to him, whatever anyone might think. He clevery shifted the loans around from long term to short to make it appear more ‘sound’ on the books and therefore more appealing to any prospective future purchasers. All the info is freely available as accounts are public record. There’s a fantastic site that analysed the books but I can’t for the life of me remember what it was (I think it was posted here a while back)
    As for the ‘not being held to ransom over wages’ any one who buys that is kidding themselves. It is a simple extension of the fat f***s business acumen; buy cheap as possible, sell for as much as possible, cut down your overheads and have an exit strategy. His exit strategy can’t come soon enough. There is one, believe me.

    Aaaanyway, It’s not going to change in the short term, so we’ve got to like it or lump it. Unfortunately, the club is in our blood so we have to just grin and bear it.

  20. Cant see were the statement of a sound financial footing is from.
    Same financial structure as Man U but spending nowt winning nowt , going no were but down.
    2 key injury and the team is screwed- paper thin squad ,as yet totaly unproven in The EPL
    Fatty has the club in debt, and selling all of assets, and not using the money to reduce the debt FACT.
    Were has the nett 52ml gone , debt is still over 230ml.
    into his pocket

  21. I just wish Ashley wasn’t at the Club or had ever bought the club,I am sick to the back teeth of him and Llambias even looking at pictures of them both make me want to punch a big hole through my macbook and scream until my brain explodes.
    The pair just stir up so much hatred in me it is unreal!
    I am also sick of reading about agent fees,due diligence etc I want to support my hometown club not read xl spreadsheets etc

    It’s Just been one insult after another to fans,manager and players-they don’t give two hoots about NUFC as long as he is making profit and cutting costs and running it as cheaply as possible he is not going nowhere.

    I think we would need to be relegated then the pressure would mount and make it impossible for MA to stay.

    To be honest if it would make him pi55 off I would be relegated today on minus 20 points if it meant that leach would do one.

  22. We won’t know the real financials ’til the next tax year, will we?
    So, again, it’s easy to presume it’s in ashleys pocket but it’s highly unlikely. Though, if it is, then that’s debt pay back.

  23. A good post and a lot of comments on here I agree with, when MS started running NUFC as he does Sports Direct and got the fan backlash he stopped speaking to the media and the fans, understandable as openly telling it as it is, is not an option.
    Think about it financial stability = lack of ambition.
    Buying good young foreign talent who are not known in the UK doesn’t sell papers.
    The press mainly want to see us fail, and fail with overpaid superstars on the books.
    Then there is us fans, two years ago all we wanted was to be back in the PL, last year all we wanted is to stay in the PL, this year we are talking about Europe and why we are not in the top four/six, lets take it slowly, we have had a good start to the season and I hope to see some good football “I did say hope”.

  24. The only reason he is here is for personal gain.
    As far as I can see I would prefer to have an owner that borrowed from the bank paid a bit of interest and bought some quality players and delivered some exciting football.

    We will go nowhere with the self obsessed titty monster at the helm,he has been here for years and apart from some good wins it has been generally overshadowed by his bafoonery.

  25. MAapologist-Buying good young foreign talent who are not known in the UK doesn’t sell papers.

    It might not win matches either….and if they are matchwinners they will be flogged and replaced with cheaper and even younger players….do you see a pattern emerging here?

  26. All this has eclipsed the football, that’s the real sad bit for me.
    Oh! Back in the day, when we went to the match, enjoyed watching the game, cheered, booed, took the piss whatever!
    Now it’s constant spread-sheeting or bed-sheeting, regardless of how well or otherwise we’re doing.

    This is fun!

  27. I am getting old but now I am wondering what being a football supporter is all about.

    ” I think we would need to be relegated then the pressure would mount and make it impossible for MA to stay.

    To be honest if it would make him pi55 off I would be relegated today on minus 20 points if it meant that leach would do one.”

    If this happened which prospective new owner would ride to our rescue, if anyone with 150-200 mill to invest was interested do you think MS would not sell today.
    He may not be the ideal owner of the club and I am not sure I would take a free drink off him, but we are stuck with each other, if you think relegation or bankruptcy is the way out take a look at the clubs have gone down that route.

  28. good post, and i quite like the idea of being the underdogs: means more when u beat the top dogs!

    U got top dogs: Liver, Manu, Chels, City – who spend £50-100m on transfers…..we aint gonna be that without some corrupt Russian Oligarch, or Oil Rich Prince:

    Now if one of those comes along, fairplay, lets buy some superstars! But if not, then we gotta be in that middle bracket of underdogs (scum, fulham,evert,etc…)- and of those, we’ve done the most exciting business, got some real talent and exciting players…

    I’m sure the no.9 will be filled before too long, if it had been done last week we’d all be raving about a amazing window, but in time, all our wishes will come true!

  29. Hey guys, cheers for the kind comments (And not so kind ones, suppose that’s the game when I post my thoughts out on the web)

    Long time reader but first time poster (I don’t even comment on the blogs, lazy)

    I did consider starting with a less controversial post but hey ho.

    Excuse the irony but you cannot make a black or white choice on this one, as a lot of people have said, there are good and bad points between the 2 recent owners.

    Finally we all know he’s going to sell soon, my point is he probably came at the right point. Saved us from Freddie Financial Ruin, sorted us out in regards to the debt, then sold us on to a “hopefully” better owner to move us forward.

  30. The only way he’s gonna ‘do one’ is if he can make the ‘business’ viable & attractive for someone else to take off his hands. Or for someone to offer him way more than it’s worth, debts & all.
    Becoming worthless through relegation or otherwise is not making it ‘viable’ for someone else, unless they too thought they could make a f*** load of money out of the deal.

  31. workyticket says:

    “Incidentally, while Carr may be a good scout, he was a pretty dreadful manager himself”

    I’m not entirely sure he’s a good scout either WT :)

    OK there have been highlights like Tiote and HBA (if he was involved in that ?) but this close season has seen player after player choosing not to join NUFC. As I’ve said before, surely a scout needs to confirm that a player would at least look favourably on a move to SJP otherwise it’s a pointless exercise ?

    Also the “targets” that arrived on the scene in the last few days of the window, Cisse, Ruiz, Santon – were they Carr inspired or knee jerks ? If they were Carr targets why werent they pursued earlier in the summer ?

    BTW Abeid stretchered off against the Makems today :(

  32. Milner says:

    “U got top dogs: Liver, Manu, Chels, City – who spend £50-100m on transfers…..we aint gonna be that without some corrupt Russian Oligarch, or Oil Rich Prince”

    Last time I looked Liverpool were owned by neither. However they are backed by an company that understands Sports teams need investment on the pitch in order to have even the faintest of chances of winning something.

  33. Mick_toons says:
    September 7, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    “I did consider starting with a less controversial post but hey ho.”

    May as well just get stuck in Mick! ;-)

  34. andyMac, i wondered if someone wud call me up on that, while i appreciate the liverpool owners are neither oily nor princely, they seem to have a bottomless pit of money – when u look at the amount they overpay on players, i think they’ve gotta be considered Top Dog Spenders, at the very least.

    In regards to “winning something”, i think the league is beyond their reach, the league cup Birm showed is open to all, the FA Cup is as likely ours as theirs – anything can happen in the FA Cup………so really, or realistically, they’ve bought the chance of Champs League footy – but i dont think that was ever an option for us in the next year or 2-we’re not ready for it.

    Aye, Liverpool were sh*te beg last season, and a new manager and endless funds has done them the world of good….But thats not where we’re at, we just got promoted, we’re adopting a new transfer/wage structure…

    Maybe in a couple of years, when the time’s right, £50-100m on wages/transfers will work for us, whether thats ashelys spending or a new owner.

    lets allow the new system a year or two to breathe and blossom, like a fine wine, or a chubby snatch.

  35. CLiNT FLiCK:

    “The most difficult thing we fans are having to get used to is that this board aren’t gonna go down the route the last lot did. Over spending on has-beens, ‘big’ names, marquee signings to ‘appease’ a voracious public.”

    When I hear this carted out by the media, I get angry. When I read it from other NUFC supporters, I just put my head in my hands.

    I, and a lot of currently-angry/disillusioned NUFC supporters-would have been happy as clams with the 24-year-old, 4.5M-rated Shane Long. Not a has been. Not ageing. Not overpriced. We simply didn’t want to pay.

  36. i see jeff and liam Henderson in our under 21’s squad list – any relation to Jordan Henderson? we could do with a player like that…..or the £20m cash, at the very least.

  37. AndyMac wrote: this close season has seen player after player choosing not to join NUFC

    Erik Pieters was real eager to come top the Toon and Maiga even went on strike to force the move. So it wasn’t those players choosing not to join.

  38. AndyMac says:
    September 7, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    “…but this close season has seen player after player choosing not to join NUFC. As I’ve said before, surely a scout needs to confirm that a player would at least look favourably on a move to SJP otherwise it’s a pointless exercise ?”

    I wouldn’t blame Carr for that Andy. That was Ashley and Llambias making offers it was only too easy to refuse.

  39. LFC’s owners are worth less than Mike Ashley. This is a fact.

    AP should have said “we won’t compete with other clubs” rather than “we can’t”..because it really is a matter of choice, regardless of whether or not it’s a prudent choice…

  40. tunyc,
    Long went for £6.5m mate.
    I woulda gone for him too, even if it was a risk on a lower league player.
    & have stated that on here.

    We were ‘appeased’ by FFS with those last minute signings & we are voracious.
    If you’re under no-illusions you can’t be disillusioned.

  41. tunyc says:
    September 7, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    “When I hear this carted out by the media, I get angry. When I read it from other NUFC supporters, I just put my head in my hands.”

    Me too tunyc, because it’s a complete fallacy and intentionally designed to fool people. It’s a bit like saying Hitler was right because he was at the opposite end of the political spectrum to Stalin, ignoring the possibilty that both could have been in the wrong.

  42. It’s patently obvious that they aren’t going down that route, or we’d have bought big expensive signings.
    ?

  43. Everything I’ve read has Long going for 4.5M with clauses that take it as high as 8M if he performs. In any case, even if it was 6.5M-my point stands.

    Believe me, worky-I hear you on the difficulty of explaining what a false dichotomy is.

  44. As i said before, lets allow the new transfer system a year or two to breathe and blossom, like a fine wine, or a chubby snatch.

    (sorry to repost, just trying to get the debate back down to my level of understanding!)

  45. Looking at that list of U-21’s, I wonder how many of them will make the grade ? Dunno if its just me but both Merseyside clubs, the Mancs and even Villa seem to have a better track record in youth development. The collective Bin Dipper’s had six U21 players in the squad on Monday and we had one (ex Everton player).

    Mehdi Abeid, Samuel Adjei, Lewis Aird, Phil Airey, Jak Alnwick, Sammy Ameobi, Alex Baird, Adam Campbell, Ryan Donaldson, Paul Dummett, Joan Edmundsson, Nathan Evans, Shane Ferguson, Stephen Folan, Dan Gosling, Aidan Grant, Liam Henderson, Jeff Henderson, Michael Hoganson, Jonathan Hooper, Brad Inman, William Ions, Tamas Kadar, Alex Kitchen, Dennis Knight, Steven Logan, Esteban Lopez, Kazenga LuaLua, Marcus Maddison, Greg McDermott, Ryan McGorrigan, Brandon Miele, Jonathan Mitchell, Yven Moyo, Conor Newton, Alex Nicholson, Patrick Nzuzi, Nile Ranger, Michael Richardson, Michael Riley, Davide Santon, Ben Sayer, Jamie Smith, Ole Soderberg, Louis Storey, Remie Streete, James Tavernier, Daniel Taylor, Lee Toland, William Turton, Haris Vuckic

    I well realise there is a need to develop our own youth system but I just wonder if the current people in charge are good enough to get there ?

  46. It’s not that I’m taking you as agreeing with it, it’s that it seems you’re saying it’s applicable here. It’s not. Nobody’s having trouble getting over a lack of trophy signings. That’s a red herring. We’d be happy with a decent signing at forward, who has the potential upside to be worthy of the #9.

  47. Andy,
    we had Gosling, Santon (capt), Kadar, Ferguson & Vuckic was injured so woulda been playing.
    I make that 4+.

  48. Dutch Geordie says:
    September 7, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Erik Pieters was real eager to come top the Toon and Maiga even went on strike to force the move. So it wasn’t those players choosing not to join.

    Fair point

  49. Very good article Mick.

    Everton are probably the most extreme example but other premiership teams have also pulled back from spending.

    Spurs are the latest club to have spent lavishly in the past to help them get into the Champions League but now that the revenue is drying up are being forced to jettison many good players and curtail their buying.

    Martin O’Neal must have sold the dream to Randy Lerner but when the riches didn’t materialise the owner soon pulled the plug and the manager walked out in a huff.

    The pressure will now be on Liverpool to qualify for the Champions League as the new American owners will want to see an increase in revenue following their lavish spending.

    Whilst many, but by no means all, hoped for some expensive strikers and bemoan the fact that overall we haven’t spent alot we don’t have the problems of Everton, Villa, Spurs and possibly Liverpool.

  50. tunyc,
    we all want that mate.
    All i’m saying is we didn’t get it, so we have to get over it for now. All the moaning in the world ain’t gonna change it, is it?
    Aye, it’s one’s prerogative to moan if one feels the need like too.

  51. Not sure EXACTLY what happened with Long, I liked the look of him, and had Reading fan telling me he was quailty, and it seems he’s proving it at WBA now…

    ….but he’s also done a couple dodgey things (i’m mainly thinking when they were 1-0 up to Chelsea and he squared a terrible pass that prevented them going 2-0 up…..they eventually lost the game, [because of Long’s pass] ), and also a lackluster performance in Reading’s quailifier for promotion.

    he’s clearly a talent, but would our ever demanding fans have been content with Shane Long in the early window, with nobody else expected??…..i doubt it….maybe they went for the top prize striker (Cisse), like the beauty of the bunch in a Wetherspoons at midnight, and missed the opportunity of a an easy lay with a musty scrumpet!

  52. I can see both sides of the argument…for and against MA.

    All i can say is, if everything is right on the pitch we should never even need to know who runs the club.
    We support the club for our hopes and dreams, we do not support businesses or financial institutions.
    I yearn for the day that i never hear about how much debt a club has, takeovers or who the owners are, all i care about is the lads that play and the results.

  53. But CLiNT, that’s precisely the issue. What, exactly, do we need to get over? In your own words, please-since you implied that what I quoted isn’t your own take.

  54. Milner says:
    September 7, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    “maybe they went for the top prize striker (Cisse), like the beauty of the bunch in a Wetherspoons at midnight, and missed the opportunity of a an easy lay with a musty scrumpet!”

    Milner, according reports which I’m not sure about, we allegedly bid £7 million for Cisse when the common consensus seems to be that he’s worth something like double that. We already have musty strumpets, I want Cisse.

    On Pieters, there were lots of reports that we bid £7 million, but the only reports I saw which seemed to be well sourced were of a bid which was more like £4.3 million. I’m not saying that the £7 million bid wasn’t true, just that it didn’t seem to be very well substantiated when I looked into it at the time.

  55. tunyc,

    we need to get over the transfer window disappointment(s) as we can’t do owt about it now, it’s over.
    Like robmag says above…
    “I yearn for the day that i never hear about how much debt a club has, takeovers or who the owners are, all i care about is the lads that play and the results”.

    Oh shit!
    i utilized someone else’s words there.
    :)
    Nicely put though robomag!
    ;)

  56. There’s always claim & counter claim in the press when it comes to transfers.
    Probably best not to believe any of it, until such time as a player is bought. Even then you still ‘undisclosed’ prices.

  57. Milner says:

    “and missed the opportunity of a an easy lay with a musty scrumpet!”

    Shouldnt that be musky strumpet ? :lol:

  58. CLiNT FLiCK says:
    September 7, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    “There’s always claim & counter claim in the press when it comes to transfers.
    Probably best not to believe any of it”

    Clint, when I went to study, one of the first things I was taught was HOW to study, ie how to differentiate well sourced, authoratitive material from poorly sourced potential shite. Those skills also come in handy when it comes to football stories in the media too. They have their own little lexicon for BS which is relatively easy to pick up.

  59. workyticket says:

    “Clint, when I went to study, one of the first things I was taught was HOW to study, ie how to differentiate well sourced, authoratitive material from poorly sourced potential shite. Those skills also come in handy when it comes to football stories in the media too. They have their own little lexicon for BS which is relatively easy to pick up”

    More importantly WT did you ever, while studying, meet up with any musky strumpets ?

  60. worky,
    totally mate.
    I think i’m pretty down with that.

    There’s also the adage ‘if it’s in a rag it’s bollox’

    :lol:

  61. AndyMac says:
    September 7, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    “More importantly WT did you ever, while studying, meet up with any musky strumpets ?”

    So many that I never got any studying done Andy! :-)

  62. Fair enough, CLiNT. I learned long ago that life gets a lot tougher than your favored football club not buying a forward.

    For what it’s worth-I have moved on, but that doesn’t mean I can’t criticize what happened.

  63. tunyc,
    i hear ya’ bud & believe me, i feel the same, but as you aptly put, there are tougher, sadder & more pressing things in life.
    Not many like!
    :)

    & you are free to criticize mate.
    It’s a basic right imv!
    ;)

  64. to clarify:

    musty (stale or moldy in odor or taste), and

    scrumpet (which was intended to be strumpet, but my brain slipped a couple of gears, is however on urban dictionary as a combination between slu*ty and crumpet = scrumpet!)

  65. tunyc,
    good on ya’ mate.
    Hey, at least you know how to put forward a reasoned argument man, that is well appreciated.

    Certainly no offense taken over here mate.
    ;)

  66. also, i can not believe that, despite the numerous visits to this site, that i never noticed what true word CLiNT FLiCK was actually spelling…..and i now hold u in the highest of regard.

  67. Milner says: “musty (stale or moldy in odor or taste), and scrumpet (which was intended to be strumpet, but my brain slipped a couple of gears, is however on urban dictionary as a combination between slu*ty and crumpet = scrumpet!)

    Well you can’t afford to be fussy at my age!

  68. cun fun, Hat’s off sir, i hope the police never have to track u down, they’ll be chasing shadows, and lude innuendos, all the way from Bangcock to Calslutta.

  69. Seems Barton has total respect for Cabaye/ Tiote, I used to say the same thing before I got a hammering in the playground??

  70. Why said “this is not a pro-Ashley post” when this is obviously a pro-Ashley post?

    Everyone can stick to their own opinion, but be honest man.

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