John Carver reveals more on Newcastle United’s scouting techniques.

Posted on October 8th, 2011 | 55 Comments |

John Carver: Spilling the beans on talent quest.
John Carver: Spilling the beans on talent quest.
In a break from the usual reflections by our silver supremo, Alan Pardew, his assistant, John Carver has given an interesting and fairly extensive glimpse into Newcastle United’s quest for more talent during the current international break.

Whilst awaiting a call from agent Pardew on where his next scouting mission will take him (apparently), Carver spilled the beans on the kind of things the club will be looking at in it’s current current talent quest for players who may have the NUFC ‘X-Factor’.

He revealed:

“We’ve made a decision on the players we grade highly, we will put together the data on them,” said Carver. “We’ve got a couple of analysts beneath the backroom team who put that together.

“If he’s a centre-forward we’ll look at his movement, his scoring, his fitness stats. Then we’ll look at his value in the current market depending on age. We’re quite thorough and we compare them to players in the Premier League.

“We also have a section where we tap into as many contacts as we can about personality and character. You can have a top, top player who might have ability, but you don’t know whether his character might unsettle the group.”

Carver then went on to stress the importance of the club’s academy and reserve teams, taking a look back to the Keegan days when the Magpies lost players such as Michael Carrick due to the lack of opportunities outside the first team. In what some may describe as a bit of a swipe at Keegan’s lack of interest in matters at the grassroots level of the club,  Carver continued:

“We lost Michael Carrick because Kevin Keegan didn’t have a reserve team. His parents asked me Where’s he going to play John?” I said the first team and they told me to come off it. We had the entertainers here, he was never going to get in. So they took him to West Ham.

“The reason why we’ve had a problem since then is because we’ve had so many people in charge of the academy. We haven’t had people to see a certain development programme through.

“Now the kids are seeing the young Sammy Ameobi coming through, Haris Vuckic, who’s been in the system a long time. Shane Ferguson is the same. The encouraging thing for the club is that there’s a pathway for them now, which there maybe wasn’t when the club was spending a lot of money on new players. The culture is changing. The manager has said he will play them if they’re good enough – like he played Ferguson at Stoke.”

Some good stuff from the assistant there, however I do wonder about the “personality and character” bit. Of course, Hatem Ben Arfa was a potentially great signing for the club, however he does have a fair bit of history on the primadonna front, including throwing all of his toys out of the pram at Marseilles to force his move to the Premiership. The same is also true of current hitman target, Modibo Maiga, who has also been engaged in similar toy throwing antics at his current club, Sochaux. Who’s to say that they won’t do they same thing if they are a great success on Tyneside and even bigger clubs make an attempt to sign them?

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55 Responses

  1. Great article worky, thanks. Only part of the story of our progress is what happens in the 1st team – all our teams are doing realy well and this type of serious (and presumably well funded) R & D could result in future success – not just this & next season but for years to come – fantastic!

    HWTL

  2. supermac says:
    October 8, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    “Great article worky, thanks.”

    Thanks supermac. It seems to be getting a fair amount of readers, but as you can see, hardly any feedback on it!

  3. Started out as a good article as long as it was sticking to the facts and quoting Carver. Looks like the toon are working hard to unearth good talent who will fit into the team. Excellent news, also great news that the toon are communicating with the press, after all the complaints about lack of communication etc. What better way to the toon masses than through one of our very own…Johnny Carver..

    Didn’t quite understand the significance of the comments, and the “negative spin” at the end of the article though…

  4. Munich Mag says:
    October 8, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    “Didn’t quite understand the significance of the comments, and the “negative spin” at the end of the article though…”

    Which parts of the story are inaccurate Munich?

  5. worky…”inaccurate” is your word mate, not mine.

    As I mentioned, I didn’t quite understand the significance of your own comments and the seemingly “negative spin” towards our great white hope HBA and one of our potential targets Maiga at the end of the article.

    I mean, there have been a few “radges” played in England in there time, Vierra, Keane, Cantona etc etc, but if truth be known we would have loved them all in our team…

    Or there again maybe I am too docile to understand…

  6. Munich Mag says:
    October 8, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    “worky…”inaccurate” is your word mate, not mine.”

    So you don’t have any problems with the veracity of the piece Munich?

  7. Good article Worky.

    Whatever happens to the first team this season, it appears that the whole club structure is going through a positive and professional transformation.

    I think bringing in Carver, Stone and Woodman has made a huge difference. Being locals I suspect that Carver and Stone have probably added a bit of extra steel and drive. Also being locals I cannot see them being enticed away like previous coaches which must be disruptive (Hughton was never the same after Calderwood left). I also think that Woodman must be a laugh a minute and great for team morale.

  8. worky…again, you are heading up the wrong street. Read my first comment, I have never doubted the “veracity” of the quotations from Johnny C.
    As I mentioned, my point was that it’s nice to hear from JC and how the club are seeingly going about getting in good players with the right personal qualities…

    I said I didn’t quite understand the significance of the comments, and the “negative spin” at the end of the article ….you’re comments…and I still don’t.Don’t you think we should be signing HBA and Maiga cos they hoyed there toys out the pram ?

    “Who’s to say that they won’t do they same thing if they are a great success on Tyneside and even bigger clubs make an attempt to sign them?”…

    What were you trying to communicate ?

  9. Munich Mag says:
    October 8, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    “worky…again, you are heading up the wrong street. Read my first comment, I have never doubted the “veracity” of the quotations from Johnny C.”

    But you doubt the veracity of my statements about Hatem Ben Arfa at Marseilles and Modibo Maiga at Sochoux, which are on the record incidentally, and you don’t believe it would be within the realm of possibity that they would try a similar thing at Newcastle United should a bigger team express an interest?

    Otherwise I’m afraid I don’t really understand your point.

    Thanks Kamar!

  10. It is interesting to hear from the clubs inside sources, nowt wrong with the article, but I also have to admit to a little confusion.

    How many home grown players get, or have got, first team EPL starts recently, or come to that sub appearances.

    We have loads of promising youngsters coming through the system and dissapearing into the lower league hinterlands, which rather belies what Carver is saying.

    It would be good if we did have a home grown rennaisance, but most of the promising first team squad are from foreign (French) academys not ours.

    From what I have seen the club policy is to buy good young players from abroad, get a couple of seasons from them and then sell on at a profit.

    Starting to digress and veer of the thread so I will stop there before I get too confused, anyway I think you get my drift.

  11. I have not written that I doubt the veracity of JC’s statements. I also haven’t written that I doubt the veracity of your statements, again your words.

    JC paints a positive spin on developments at the toon. You questioned this and put a “negative spin” on things….those were my words.

    Don’t you think we should be signing HBA and Maiga cos they hoyed there toys out the pram ?

  12. Grumpy Old-Toon says:
    October 8, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    “Starting to digress and veer of the thread so I will stop there before I get too confused, anyway I think you get my drift.”

    I rather thought you were expanding on it Grumpy, and asking an interesting question. I think it may take a knowledgeable person who takes in alot of Reserve and Academy fixtures to answer it well, though I do think that Carver pointed to a few examples (Vuckic, Sameobi and Fergie) in his answer.

    Genarally though, of course, it takes a hell of a lot of sifting to find a gold nugget. Vuckic is one of those, but like Ben Arfa, he just can’t seem to stay in one piece long enough to keep challenging the established lads in the first team.

    Munich, thanks, that’s all I wanted to know.

  13. worky, you’re welcome, but you haven’t answered my question.

    Don’t you think we should be signing HBA and Maiga cos they hoyed there toys out the pram ?

  14. Munich Mag says:
    October 8, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    “Don’t you think we should be signing HBA and Maiga cos they hoyed there toys out the pram ?”

    Yes I was always an advocate of signing Ben Arfa after seeing him play for Marseilles and France.

    Maiga I’m not so sure about, I have been following the progress of Papiss Demba Cisse at Freiburg far more closely.

    However, I didn’t say:

    “You can have a top, top player who might have ability, but you don’t know whether his character might unsettle the group.”

    Though if I did, I’d have little doubt that you would attempt to put your usual “negative spin” on it, as you do with so many of the things I write on here.

    Dreamer says:
    October 8, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    “CANT BELIEVE CABAYE IS INJURED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    Dreamer, it can happen to anyone. Fingers crossed for the African Cup of nations with Ba, Tiote, and possibly Ameobi Snr.

  15. the munchen magpie is right no need to end the article with a swipe at ben arfa

    ben arfa had a reason to go off it, they said they didn’t want him and he could go so he wanted to go then someone else left and the club said actually we might need you so they went against their word and that’s why he kicked off more.

  16. worky…really, what ya on aboot @15 man …?

    It’s obvious you didn’t say “You can have a top, top player who might have ability, but you don’t know whether his character might unsettle the group.”….you quoted it yourself from Johnny Carver ffs….!

    The lad @16 read the article the same way as me….you had a go at 2 blokes, one playing for the toon, one maybe gonna play for the toon…end of story. And that was my point all along. In fact I praised the article at the beginning, but found the swipe at HBA unnecessary and that it irritated me hence the “negative spin”…

    Don’t try and put words into my mouth mate…

    However, I do have the feeling you often put “negative spin” into your articles cos you don’t like Pardew or the owners. I don’t like the owners either by the way….

  17. back to our youngsters – perhaps w@nkers like Ranger should read the stats & see how fortunate they are instead of pissing away their opportunity.
    In the 92 pro clubs there are 1,600 trainee pro footballers signed on the 3-year Football Scholarship programme but only about 15% are still in pro football at the age of 21. Of the 650 teenagers who signed for a pro club this season only around 97 will make a career in the game.

    More power to the elbow of our youth teams!

    HWTL

  18. blackandwhitearmy says:
    October 8, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    “ben arfa had a reason to go off it, they said they didn’t want him and he could go so he wanted to go then someone else left and the club said actually we might need you so they went against their word and that’s why he kicked off more.”

    blackandwhitearmy, you forgot to mention that Newcastle United hadn’t even made an offer for him at that stage, or the comments he made about his then manager, Didier Deschamps that originally led to his rift with Marseilles.

    You also forgot to mention the argument and scuffle with Sébastien Squillaci which led to his departure from Lyon.

    As I’ve stated, I wanted the club to take a chance on him, but he has made alot of enemies in the past.

    http://fourfourtwo.com/blogs/thefrenchconnection/archive/2010/08/16/marseille-already-in-the-eye-of-a-storm.aspx

    http://lyon.theoffside.com/team-news/ben-arfa-vs-squillaci.html

  19. worky….Didier Deschamps told Hatem Ben Arfa porkies, that’s why he got radged, and that led to his rift with Marseilles.

  20. worky@19…you’re trying hard to convince us that Hatem Ben Arfa is a twat, while at the same time you creamed your jeans over the legendary Joey Barton whilst he played for the toon…..?

    It’s obvious that you like to see radgies playing for the toon then ? :lol: :lol:

  21. Munich
    Let it go !

    Personally, I think what we are being exposed too, is our PR department, which for so long has been dormant, finally revived and spreading the current line.
    Basically it’s designed to convince the fans, that the club is now a well run organization, that’s both financially sound and is run by competent people.
    (Though unless they gag Pardew, that could be a difficult proposition).
    As for only looking at players with character ? nice idea, but impractical, besides we already have as Worky stated, have had and will have, egocentric players, who may be difficult to handle.
    That’s why it’s essential to have a manager, who can deal with the situation.
    Hey believe what you like, but remember there’s always an agenda, when NUFC management, decide to communicate.

  22. Chucky….let what go, I’ve no idea what you are on about ?

    your post @23 what you on about man ? You are obviously having trouble with our own resident Geordie John Carver saying something positive about the club ?

    You too putting a “negative spin” on things….surprise surprise…

  23. Its the international week. Bores everybody stupid.

    Are you two OK now or will one of you have to sit on the naughty step?

  24. Cabaye seems to be thinking about the next France game, so maybe his injury ain’t that bad?

  25. Radgie players!! I doubt if there is a club who hasn’t had one or more. I think I’d rather be Pardew than Wenger at the moment!! I see Van Persie is eyeing the exit door now. Van Der Vaart is not a happy Bunny and a host of ManC players are teddy chucking.

    Sometimes you have to take a chance on a player to get the quality a good team needs. HBA is worth the gamble if he don’t shape up then he will follow Barton out of the door.

    Didier Deschampes wasn’t exactly an equitable level headed manager, Disagreeing with him doesn’t make HBA a “Radgie”

  26. MM,
    i just wish international ‘football’ would do one, it’s pap & it kills your players.
    I wouldn’t lend my pedigree race horse to a known horse abuser.

  27. Clint…FC Bayern and the cloggy FA have been bitch slapping for over a year now regarding the fitness of Arjen Robben. He busts a gut to get fit for FC Bayern, then joins up with the national team, only to return home injured…it’s all insane…

    Is it just me, or does EVERY country seem to play with more commitment and effort than England…

  28. If Cabaye is injured who do we have to replace him? Last year when Barton, Nolan or Tiote were out we got run over by the likes of Stoke and Bolton.

    I doubt Guthrie is the answer.

  29. MM,
    it’s not just you mate.
    england never show up, in any sport, at any level, any age.
    It’s like they have any & all sporting skill & personality surgically removed on entry to the national team.
    I can’t watch the stuff, it’s tortuous & soul destroying.
    :)

  30. GS… maybe a combination of tactical tinkering and incorporating Marveaux or HBA into the line up ?

  31. Clint…with the footy qualifiers I usually cannot be bothered, but once the big tournaments start I get a bit more involved. Still usually ends up in tears though. I think England are a long way off having a decent football side…the other sports ditto…watched England fail to deliver against France…too weak mentally, typical English failure…

  32. MM,
    aye, they continually go on about ‘grit & determination’ & crap like that, instead of just applying themselves to the game they’re playing.
    Soon as they cross the white line all tactics dissolve away so they have to rely on stamina & dumb luck. It’s pathetic & embarrassing, i wouldn’t dare be that headless chicken, they need to get some professionalism & maybe some psychological help.
    :)

  33. Can you think of a less mobile central midfield than Scott (I run around in circles) Parker and Garry Barry?

    (Actually I can, Joey Barton and Kevin Nolan)

  34. MM @36:

    The cricket is good though. Beating the arrogant Aussies, cheating Pakistanis and jumped up Indians is worth a Rugby failure.

    I think we probably would have still won without the South African ringers as well.

  35. GS,
    i know, i was just having a laugh mate.
    ;)

    I was chatting to a Kiwi the other day & he telling me how he’d been offended by someone referring to rugby as ‘egg chasing’, i tried to tell him that we don’t really care about most of the sports we’ve invented/developed & football was the national obsession. He was non-plussed by the fact that rugby union was ostensibly a university/middle-class past time, along with cricket & tennis. LOL

  36. Clint, I know you were, if you were a communist like worky I wouldn’t have replied.

    Three cheers for the City and Wall Street and 5 points to Harry Potter.

  37. Is that a 5 pointed star to harold potter?

    Me?
    communist?
    Na, anarcho-syndicalist, utopian-nihilist, maybe.

    :lol:

  38. GS,
    aye, joey will explain all mate.
    :)

    Basically, i’m anti everything.
    :)
    & i don’t even need 140 characters.

    I’m for NUFC though, the only thing/club i’d affiliate with.
    Like Woody Allen said(or was it Groucho?): I wouldn’t wanna be a member of a club that would have me as a member!
    :)

  39. Joey would be luxary here in the US. We just got Vinny Jones as a pundit for the “EPL” and he tried to set a new world record for the number of times he said “you know” in a 2 minute span.

    I think it was Groucho Marx and Woody Allen quoted him. Funny how Woody got away with kiddy diddling. Maybe not, he waited ’til she was 16, or did he?

  40. & micky J,
    i’m amazed he still gets air-play.

    vinny jones, definitely y’average footballer there like, you know.
    What a skank!
    Joey would come across as positively cerebral compared.
    :)

  41. Centre Partin’ is on as well, but he is quite good and obviously still has a soft spot for NUFC.

    The best one that I don’t think you get at home is Ray Hudson (sic?). He’s a Geordie but talks a bit whiny. However, he comes out with the best analogies you’ve ever heard and is really enthusiastic. It is actually hard to watch any game he commentates because he is so funny.

  42. I don’t know how I got talking about Freud and Woody Allen on a football blog.

    Or, for that matter, Vinny Jones.

  43. He sounds radged as a nanny.

    70’s Toon player with a line in metaphor, analogy & cliche.
    :)
    Just don’t go believing him too much.
    ;)

    Right, off to catch some zzzzzzzz’s

    Later mate.

  44. Good night.

    Ray is pretty original. He calls Ozil “Avatar Eyes” and Messi the “little genius”, he doesn’t even refer to him as Leonel or Messi most of the time, he just assumes you know who he is talking about.

    Better than Scouse McManamen who is another one we have over here.

  45. And I say “Scouse” McManemen because he named his first child “Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, Kenneee, the Cop, this is Anfield, can I look after your car mate, hubcaps – nah I wont touch them, ferry ‘cross the mersey, Ringo, Frankie goes to Cheshire to see $tevie me, they closed the old docks like…” McManemen.

  46. GS@40, spot on there about the cricket mate, nowt like beating the Aussies…there, you have named a sport that we English can be proud of now and then…

    I remember seeing Rocky Hudson play for the toon yonks ago, though he was always a bit player.. Then he nicked off to the states, played over there, managed Florida or summat (wikipedia will probably give you the full skinny)….now he’s obviously plying his trade on ESPN….

    Vinny Jones…wazzock in general…..
    Steve Macmackemamanamamam…wazzock…one of the spice boys with robby fowler at Liverpoodle, who scored a goal in the champs league for real madrid and thinks hes an expert…..

    There again maybe they are all better than the grey, staid, boring cliched bbc toeing the line types we get in the UK……

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