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Toon 3 times better than last season?

Posted on November 9th, 2011 | 60 Comments |

Toon riding high but how does that compare to last season?
The table can't lie (can it?)
Newcastle United currently sit at 3rd in the Premier League, but how do the games we’ve played so far compare with last season?

Much has been wondered about whether we’re worthy of our 3rd place position. Not just from the usual suspects in the world of punditry who seem incapable of giving Newcastle much credit for anything, but we’ve had cause to wonder a bit ourselves.

There are too many variables to consider and the semantics of the word ‘worthy’ leaves too much open to subjective opinion to ever reach an objective conclusion about our ‘worthiness’. All we can say is that we’ve met the challenges that have been thrown our way so far.

But I had this burning urge to create an HTML table. Don’t knock it – it’s no more unusual than fancying a pork pie and rates fairly low in my list of insanities. So create a table I did and what it does is to compare last season to this season with the games we’ve played so far.

Observe ye the following work of beauty:

Team Home/Away Last Season Pts This Season Pts
Arsenal Home 4-4 1 0-0 1
Sunderland Away 1-1 1 0-1 3
Fulham Home 0-0 1 2-1 3
QPR Away n/a 0 0-0 1
Aston Villa Away 1-0 0 1-1 1
Blackburn Home 1-2 0 3-1 3
Wolves Away 1-1 1 1-3 3
Tottenham Home 1-1 1 2-2 1
Wigan Home 2-2 1 1-0 3
Stoke Away 4-0 0 1-3 3
Everton Home 1-2 0 2-1 3
Total Points 6 25

There was no QPR last season, by which I mean they weren’t in the Premier League rather than having disappeared into another dimension, but even if we assume we’d have beaten them and picked up 3 points, our tally against these teams last year would have been 9 points. This year it’s 25 points.

So does this mean we’re nearly thrice as good this season than we were last season? Who knows?

Comparisons like this are fairly dodgy things to make because we played the teams at different stages of the season and the opposition themselves may be considered to be better or worse than they are this season. And stats can be squeezed and wrung out in such a way as to back up just about any point of view – politicians do it all the time. So I present them here mainly for interest. Mine, anyway – I wouldn’t presume any such interest from my readers. In fact it’s probably wise to assume the opposite.

I tend to think it says something though. Even if we adopt wild hair, wear lab coats, assume thoughtful expressions and try to analyse the results away, I think the sheer scale of the difference between the two seasons says something in our favour.

No? Well suit yourself. I’ll clear off and pester someone else now.

NUFCBlog Author: Hugh de Payen I'm a baby-boomer of the punk rock persuasion, currently exiled in Somerset for crimes committed in a previous life where locals keep trying to poison me with something called 'scrumpy'. Hates sprouts, coat-hangers, Cilla Black, ornaments, Steven Seagull movies and 50 Cent (he's not worth 10). Hugh de Payen has written 634 articles on this blog.

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60 Responses

  1. Hugh – Brilliant! I like the idea, let’s see another in a couple of months mate. Or even after the manure-citeh-chelski games – we got precious little there last season so why worry this year, we will still be 3 times better!

  2. It looks better the more you look at it – 5 defeats now 3 wins & 2 draws ! What more could we hope for? What a great run – well done NUFC.

    HWTL

  3. On close examination of ze analysis, I sink if vee ignore ze parametric bipolarisms and obvious critangles on ze solar dimension, vot this proves is zat Rising numbers are on ze increase…ya definitely….

  4. and UTD111, divn’t yee cum roond here with yer “parametric bipolarisms” lad, had away back te yer slide rool an work it oot wi a pencil!

  5. So, on Hugh’s table we are 19 points better off than last season over the same games.
    If for the rest of the season we can’t keep this form and simply fall back to last season’s standard, then logicaly we will end up 19 points better off – with 65 points which last season would have given us 5th and a place in europe!
    To finish lower than this we would have to perform worse than last year for the rest of the season!
    I can see us doing as well as, but not worse than, last year – so…. 5th or 6th ? why not!

    HWTL

  6. Hugh says:

    “I tend to think it says something though.”

    What it says Hugh is you should get out more :)

  7. Well,
    i think you’ll find that, when we’re in the bottom half ‘the table doesn’t/can’t lie’, but, when we’re in the top 3 it most certainly can.
    It’s true! The pundits said!

    :lol:

  8. Supermac says:

    November 9, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    “a black and white version ? I think that’s Joey Barton!”

    He’s a changed man now Supermac, especially since he came down to London. He’s an art collector who attends gallery openings and such. He’ll be like this gadgie in a few years.

  9. I thought JB was the right fit for NUFC now he’d reached a “mature” age. When you consider Colo’s being offered a tad over £65k to stay, surely they could have found that much for wor Joey ?

    Shame he got them uptight but then again Level 7 got them uptight :(

    Moving on, where is his natural replacement ?

  10. worky,

    i literally bumped into ‘sewell’ once in K Town.
    He realized that i recognized him & in his eyes i saw that he was worried that i was gonna have a go at him for being a qunt–Priceless!
    I thought about it, then just winked & smiled, he looked relieved.
    :)

  11. CLiNT FLiCK says:

    November 9, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    “worky,

    i literally bumped into ‘sewell’ once in K Town.
    He realized that i recognized him & in his eyes i saw that he was worried that i was gonna have a go at him for being a qunt–Priceless!”

    Clint, Perhaps he thought you were from Gatesheed. He once suggested that an exhibition at the Baltic should also have been held in London too, where it would be seen by a “more sophisticated” audience, which had the two people there who had actually heard of him up in arms.

    He’s upset everyone everyone at some stage, including the entire population of Liverpool, which of course is the easiest thing in the world to do, and women too when he suggested that they were all shite at art and nearly all gave up when they started having babies.

    Personally, I’m quite a big fan of his though. He passed through my fine art emporium once and we had a very brief chat.

  12. Use the 3 relegated teams as analogs for the three promoted teams, that way you’re not just pulling points from the ether.

    B’ham (highest placed relegated) away last year instead of the QPR match (highest placed promoted) we got 3 points, so we’re down two.

    It’s a more accurate way of doing this, but since it means our points v last year isnt as good, i doubt you’ll use it.

  13. beatski says:

    “Use the 3 relegated teams as analogs for the three promoted teams, that way you’re not just pulling points from the ether”

    We’re talking Hugh here beatski not Bamber Gascoigne :)

  14. Andy Mac says:

    November 9, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    “We’re talking Hugh here beatski not Bamber Gascoigne”

    It would be strange indeed if Bamber Gascoigne and Paul Gascoigne were actually related.

  15. WT says:

    “It would be strange indeed if Bamber Gascoigne and Paul Gascoigne were actually related”

    Sometime worky you make the mind boggle:)

  16. worky,

    it was before the baltic even existed mate, when he was a reet pompous get.
    He’s calmed down a bit these days,imv. Though i’d still hire him a piece of my mind.

    :)

  17. beatski says:

    November 9, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    “It’s a more accurate way of doing this, but since it means our points v last year isnt as good, i doubt you’ll use it.”

    beatski, You think that Hugh had some kind of agenda to minimise the amount of points we received last season in comparison to this one, and is using QPR’s absence from the Premiership last year to do so?

  18. It would be strange indeed if Bamber Gascoigne and Paul Gascoigne were actually related – only if married!

  19. “Barton replied: ‘Leave it u stonehenge teeth.”

    :lol:

    I miss the Joey Barton show. We may get some French sulking action from Ben Arfa though if he doesn’t get a starting place soon.

  20. summerof69 says:

    November 9, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    “TonyEvansTimes Tony Evans
    Newcastle to rename St James’ Park the Sports Direct Arena
    God, please no.”

    I couldn’t find that Summer, but I’ve got the grubby old bedsheet on standby nonetheless!

  21. summerof69 says:

    November 9, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    “To be announced tomorrow apparently. Could you get me one of those bedsheets worky ?”

    I’ll even buy some for the occaision if it happens Summer!

    I wouldn’t put it past them see the fact that we’re currently third as a good time to announce something awful.

  22. workyticket says:

    Do you have your apology to Ashley ready Andy? :lol:

    Yup providing he gets his apologies in for relegation, selling AC without replacing and for employing Numbnuts sorry Owlheed.

  23. workyticket says:

    “I wouldn’t put it past them see the fact that we’re currently third as a good time to announce something awful”

    Ian Dennis finished by saying “Newcastle is a soap opera and expect the next episode soon”

    Is summerof69 onto something ?

  24. @brianjnled Brian Aitken
    Big news on #nufc in #TheJournal tomoro including exclusive from chairman on why they’re doing what they’re doing

    @MsiDouglas Mark Douglas
    So a day spent constructing a spread on Pardew’s 95% approval rating wasted! See Chron/Journal tomorrow for loads on a big #nufc story

    @LukeEdwardsTele Luke Edwards
    And another s*** storm heads this way…. plenty to read about #nufc in tomorrow’s Telegraph

    iainmacintosh Iain Macintosh
    Oooh, a strictly embargoed email has just landed in my in-box. Prepare for a serious tantrum from this part of the world…

    Quote
    iainmacintosh Iain Macintosh
    I guess, in fairness, the logos were a giveaway.

  25. “@LukeEdwardsTele Luke Edwards
    And another s*** storm heads this way…. plenty to read about #nufc in tomorrow’s Telegraph”

    Cant say shitstorm on Twitter ? :)

  26. “davidpick1987
    Right, the journos I trust @McNallyMirror @MsiDouglas @lee_ryder @Sunstevebrenner is this Sports Direct Arena thing true, in the slightest?

    McNallyMirror
    @davidpick1987 @MsiDouglas @lee_ryder @Sunstevebrenner Thanks for your trust but I must also be trusted not to reveal an embargoed story”

    Not sure why this “story” is embargoed or red lined ? Surely if its true it’ll be common knowledge soon enough ?

  27. Andy Mac says:

    November 9, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    “Its Twitter WT, Well done Scoop”

    It was Summer of 69 who first mentioned the Tweet from the Times’ Tony Evans. By the time I was looking for it, it was gone but some more stuff came up. Then they dropped a very heavy hint on Five Live that the “Geordie Soap” was about to get into full swing once more etc etc…

  28. Andy Mac says:

    November 9, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    “Wish I hadnt done this now”

    Andy, well if it’s true, and I certainly hope it isn’t, it isn’t even “Sports Direct Park”, it’s ******* “Arena”!

  29. beatski says: “It’s a more accurate way of doing this, but since it means our points v last year isnt as good

    Beatski, I chose one way to make a comparison and then made a point of stating that stats are always a dodgy thing that can be manipulated as necessary.

    i doubt you’ll use it.

    I might have done though. If you’re insinuating I was posting to some sort of agenda, you’re incorrect. I sway with the wind in terms of posting both praise and criticism for our team and club.

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