Howay The Lads – Reasons To Be Cheerful!

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Cheer Up!

It’s probably a demonstration of how far we have come in such a short space of time that some United fans have been decidedly grumpy following the recent setback at Tottenham. That’s understandable. However it’s a very short-term view of a one match blip in what has otherwise been a highly successful season so far. We have a number of reasons to be optimistic about the rest of the season, and perhaps the longer term future of our beloved club. Here are some of those reasons.

First of all, let’s put the Tottenham thing to bed. It was only one game, only 3 points. With their current players and manager not many teams will go there and get anything. We went there without key players like both Taylors, Tiote and Cabaye, and with our relatively small squad, didn’t have anyone as effective to replace them. We’ll no doubt repay the Spuds after “Harry” leaves in the summer. We’ve stuffed them before, we’ll stuff them again, that’s inevitable.

Moving on to much more meaningful things. We’ve all heard the many statements this season which generally begin with “if someone had told me before the beginning of the season that in mid-February we would be…” – The thing is, it’s true. After the sale of quite a few of our more senior players in the summer of 2011 there was doom and gloom everywhere, even at the bookies, where we were written off as relegation fodder in waiting. We failed to bring in top players and “only” brought in the likes of Ba and Cabaye. Well, as we all know now, either by luck or good management, most of the dealings we made have improved us, not only on the pitch but also off it too, where the finances of the club have been put in order alongside the improvement in the team’s fortune, and we have expanded and deployed a scouting team which is now as good as anybody’s.

Don’t get me wrong. As those of you who have come across me before will know, I was and still am one of Mike Ashley’s biggest critics, and personally will never forgive him for his treatment of Sir Kevin Keegan or for bringing someone like Dennis Wise to our great club – a man with a long history of mutual dislike with our fans. However, credit where credit is due; Mike Ashley seems to have learned from his early mistakes and now appears to have a clue how to run a football club. Add to that a management, coaching and scouting team who can bring in good players, motivate and organise the team to get results, and progress has been made – to the point where even the media are grudgingly having to talk about us in positive terms again, and look to other clubs like Liverpool and Chelsea for their soap opera material.

Turning to the rest of this season then. It’s mid-February and we are currently sitting in sixth place in the Premier League, one point off a Champions League place and right in the mix for Europa League qualification. We are in amongst the group of teams that the media like to refer to as “big clubs” – whatever that means (For Liverpool, Tottenham and Chelsea it certainly doesn’t mean in terms of crowd size). A quick scan of the remaining fixtures this season doesn’t really frighten us either.

Earlier in the season when we had our unbeaten run of 11 games they said “we hadn’t played anybody yet”. Well we’re still here, and applying the same criteria as they did, you could now say we “haven’t got anybody left to play.” It’s not something I agree with particularly as I go along with the adage that there are no easy games in the EPL, as proven when we thought we would beat West Bromwich at home and get something at Norwich for example. However for a team which has proven itself to be at least the “best of the rest,” all of the remaining 13 games are winnable. Of the tougher ones, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester City, two of them are at home, two away, and we’re good at home, ask Manchester United. The rest are all teams currently below us. We have also proven that, even losing players of the quality of Ba, Cabaye and Tiote, we still have the strength to pick up results.

Further reason for optimism is that we now finally have two class forwards up front to play in the favoured 4-4-2 system which served us so well in that 11 game run. We also have Cabaye back (provided he isn’t subjected to any further trial by television) to give the Dembas some bullets to fire. We will also have Ryan Taylor back to add some steel to the right wing, and take advantage of any free kicks which come our way. Finally, we will have Cheik Tiote back to sit in front of the defence as guardian and protector, and provide some much needed effective distribution of the ball.

Looking to the future – next season and beyond. Well the one thing we know in football is that nothing stands still, change is inevitable. It may be that some silly money will come in for some of our players, and it may be that those bids are accepted. But one thing is clear, we now have the setup to find equally good or better players to replace any outgoings. We also now seem to have an owner and management who have a taste for progress, a taste for the upper echelons of the Premier League and enjoy upsetting a few media applecarts. Reasons to be cheerful folks!

Mind you, if we lose at home to Wolves, I’ll be as grumpy as anybody.

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97 Responses to “Howay The Lads – Reasons To Be Cheerful!”

  1. 1
    avatar totnam says:

    Just think yourself lucky you don’t play us every week!

  2. 2
    avatar Headless says:

    Thanks Totnam but if we played you every week, at least it would confirm that you’re incapable of beating us at SJP! :o)

  3. 3
    avatar DAVSPURS says:

    This just shows you how far Newcastle have come missing key players and you got beat so when they return things will improve.

  4. 4
    avatar Kamar says:

    Excellent and long overdue upbeat article UTD, well done.

    For those who still cannot see anything good about Ashley, think Glasgow Rangers. It could have been us.

  5. 5
    avatar Fran says:

    As an outsider ,I think the previous regime took you to near bankruptcy ,Ashley made lots of v unpopular decisions, but you are looking in very good shape,so I agree with Kamar . Plenty of talent in the squad,Pardew seems to be doing a great job. A few shrewd buys in the summer could set u up nicely for next season.

  6. 6
    avatar Supermac says:

    “Mind you, if we lose at home to Wolves, I’ll be as grumpy as anybody” oh no you won’t, nowhere near, the professional grumpers with out grump us every time!

  7. 7
    avatar Paul in Hollywood says:

    You know, I can forgive Mike Ashley for his treatment of Kevin Keegan and for bringing Dennis Wise to our great club, if only because I just have a gut dislike of never being able to forgive. This is all the more the case when there is a feeling of remorse and I think that Mike Ashley now knows both these were either wrong or bad decisions, and not necessarily entirely his own. With that said, he is probably not given enough of the credit for why things are now looking so good overall at NUFC, and I think we are all far better off when we turn down the rhetoric and start appreciating the goods things that have been done. As Kamar points out, we can otherwise think Glasgow Rangers.

  8. 8
    avatar lualua17 says:

    DAVSPURS says:
    February 15, 2012 at 2:18 pm
    This just shows you how far Newcastle have come missing key players and you got beat so when they return things will improve.

    Great comment mate. You have to look at how far the Spurs squad have come as well they are genuine title contenders and possibly the best or joint best attacking team in the league along with Spurs. I am over the moon about how we are doing this season and I think we have a first team that is competitive with pretty much anyone in the league however further strengthening in the summer is still required in key positions such as centre back and either left or right fullback. The one gripe I have at the moment is the lack of playing time Ben Arfa is getting. I really think he could be a game changer for us and at 2-0 or 3-0 down he should have been getting a run out. I think he will be away in the summer unfortunately and I think he will be brilliant at his new club. I hope this is not the case though.

  9. 9
    avatar lualua17 says:

    That was supposed to be along with * Man City * lol.

  10. 10
    avatar Paul in Hollywood says:

    P.S. to my above comment: UTD111, I should say thanks for this and all the other excellent articles you put up.

  11. 11
    avatar TOONARMYELITE says:

    totnam Jog on into the sunset ya prat more like yous lucky tiote and caybeye missing

  12. 12
    avatar TOONARMYELITE says:

    come back and chat when you have a decent crowd see your club already backed down with 16 mil it promised some big club eh,yous even got beat to the other stadium off west ham must have more clout than your people lmao :)

  13. 13
    avatar TOONARMYELITE says:

    7 v 1 :)

  14. 14
    avatar chuck says:

    Sure ! Blah! Blah ! Blah!
    Face it Spurs have a better side and look’s like they will make the Championship’s, it’s just that simple.
    Their strength is quality in depth.
    Now that does’nt mean NUFC are in any way a bad side, hell we got some talented players and have done relatively well this season.
    Thing is, we are still building a side and have a way to go.
    But we have(If we can hold onto them) the core of a decent side, who with the addition of perhaps both Davies and Jr. Hoilett in midfield, plus two or three decent defenders,could be as competitive as any club this comming season.
    Of course we have the moneyball approach to the game,younger, cheaper and better.
    But not unlike the “Oakland A’s” of the ninety’s we are either unwilling or unable to compete with the wealthier sides and appear to use a hardball approach in regard to wages.
    All of which causes instability and resentment and a desire to go to a bigger side(read more money)and of course if the price is right, we know what happens next.
    So could we be both a selling club and a successful club at the same time?
    We would certainly have to feed the conveyor belt of Younger, better and cheaper going full bore.
    Anyhow will be interesting to see what happens (which direction we take)noticing Ashleys recent weight loss, could it be he’s possibly going through a mid life change which could possibly include some ambition for the club ?
    Whey knaas man !

  15. 15
    avatar UTD111 says:

    Paul in Hollywood says:
    February 15, 2012 at 3:38 pm
    P.S. to my above comment: UTD111, I should say thanks for this and all the other excellent articles you put up.
    __________________________________

    Cheers mate! I appreciate the feedback :)

    On your earlier point about Ashley – I guess my opinion is influenced by the high regard in which I hold Sir Kevin (Geordie Knight!) – who did so much to give us some of the best times I’ve seen as an NUFC fan in my 49 years of following United (gulp! has it really been that long!!)

    I can’t forgive Ashley for what he did to Kev, but like many others, I can park my views and focus on the positives.

  16. 16
    avatar chuck says:

    Whats the story with HBA n’ Pardew ?
    Having paid a decent amount for a quality LB (Santon)during the summer, what took Pardew so long (extremis)before he gave him a start.
    The guy is playing well, reminding us of the Enrique-Jonas connection.
    So why was he picking people like Raylor (who was awfull in the LB role)
    The same with Marveaux earlier, i mean these are seasoned veterans, not someone breaking in, sometimes his decisions (Pardew)are difficult to figure.
    And of course all of us just know we could do a better job.
    Oh ! see where our last manager (the one who got screwed for getting us promoted)is possibly about to repeat with Birmingham, but hey! we needed someone with a Big Rep.who would bring us to the next level (wherever that is) and who knows who’s boss.
    Well if he falters, our big rep guy that is, we could always get the ex Huddersfield guy,(Clarkie) who for some strange reason has been fired for positioning the side in competition for promotion, go figure ?
    But hey what do we know ? these guys are pro’s and know what they are doing, right ?

  17. 17
    avatar Paul in Hollywood says:

    UTD111 – You’re an even longer sufferer than I am! I’ve done 40 years and thought that was pretty good!

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    avatar CLiNT FLiCK says:

    I’d just like to say to DAVSPURS well done mate, you’re a credit to spurs fans.
    Good, even handed comments ( i read some of your earlier ones too).

    Cheers!

    UTD111,

    good article mate, KTF!
    ;)

  19. 19
    avatar CLiNT FLiCK says:

    Aye it smarts getting a kicking, BUT,
    spurs are currently a better team, further down the line than us. Yea, it all went wrong on saturday, they were on a high, at home & scored early. The outcome was inevitable!

  20. 20
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    February 15, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    ” Their strength is quality in depth.
    Now that does’nt mean NUFC are in any way a bad side, hell we got some talented players and have done relatively well this season…

    But not unlike the “Oakland A’s” of the ninety’s we are either unwilling or unable to compete with the wealthier sides and appear to use a hardball approach in regard to wages.
    All of which causes instability and resentment and a desire to go to a bigger side(read more money)and of course if the price is right, we know what happens next.
    So could we be both a selling club and a successful club at the same time?”

    And a certain tactical sophistication and flexibility which we simply don’t have at the moment, Chuck. Of course we don’t have a “bad” side, we have an honest, hard working mid table side who are having a bit of a good run at the moment, but we will need a more sophisticated manager eventually to take us to this “next level” that everyone talks about.

    What did the Oakland A’s actually win using this moneyballs / hardballs approach Chuck?

  21. 21
    avatar MAapologist says:

    I am happy to see comments in the local rags about improving the development squad (reserves I guess).
    For player cover I think it has to come from there.
    I dont see the club (intentionally )paying multi millions for a player to spend most of their time on the bench and those players will likley be unhappy as well e,g, HBA.
    I supose expensive cover for 1st team players will depend if we end up in Europe next season?

  22. 22
    avatar workyticket says:

    TOONARMYELITE says:
    February 15, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    “come back and chat when you have a decent crowd see your club already backed down with 16 mil it promised some big club eh,yous even got beat to the other stadium off west ham must have more clout than your people lmao”

    To be fair though toonarmy, they would have the same kind of crowds as we do if they had the stadium to put them in, Ashley would have done exactly the same thing, and 100% of the Spurs fans I know (which is quite a few down here in North London) are absolutely delighted that they aren’t moving into a stadium way out east with a running track to ruin it. They all want a purpose built football stadium in the same place as the existing one.

  23. 23
    avatar Paul in Hollywood says:

    Workyticket says: “but we will need a more sophisticated manager eventually to take us to this “next level” that everyone talks about.”

    Who would you have in mind, Worky? It seems they’re hard to find.

  24. 24
    avatar workyticket says:

    Paul in Hollywood says:
    February 15, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    “Who would you have in mind, Worky? It seems they’re hard to find.”

    What’s the name of that Italian gadgie who’s just been sacked Paul? :-)

  25. 25
    avatar UTD111 says:

    Lee Clarkio??

    :)

  26. 26
    avatar workyticket says:

    Chris Hughton was put forward as a frontrunner (and fans choice) for the Wolves job but he’s ruled it out. We could have faced him in our next game.

  27. 27
    avatar CLiNT FLiCK says:

    worky,

    he’s £6m p/a mate.

  28. 28
    avatar workyticket says:

    UTD111 says:
    February 15, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    “Lee Clarkio??”

    I changed that bit to “resigned” just as you were writing that Paul, because Capello walked out. I’ve had to change it back now so I didn’t ruin your attempt at humour.

    Seriously though, it sounds a little premature sacking “Clarkio”. The Udders are still fourth in League One and still capable of getting automatic promotion.

  29. 29
    avatar TOONARMYELITE says:

    http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/550401518?-19388 this might intrest some the remaining games for the 4 horse race for european football

  30. 30
    avatar UTD111 says:

    Apparently it’s not what it seems….rumour has it Clarkie is lined up for the Leeds United job

  31. 31
    avatar Supermac says:

    a little premature? they must be out of their tiny minds – apparently all the coaching staff have gone as well so there’s not even someone left to step up to temporary manager!
    Leeds say they don’t want Mick McCartny – so a 3-way swap could be on the cards – and we thought we were badly run!

  32. 32
    avatar workyticket says:

    Benfica’s manager is called Geordie Jesus or something like that. He’d make a good Toon “messiah”.

  33. 33
    avatar roscoe says:

    hi fellow toon supporters, i am travelling from Dubai to Newcastle for the wolves game next week end. It is my first St James match and second Toon game (first was 1-1 draw at Old Trafford this season)…

    Any tips on where to stay, pubs to visit before and after and where to go out after?

    HWTL

  34. 34
    avatar CLiNT FLiCK says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Jesus

    Aye,
    ‘Geordie jesus’ it is!

    Top of the league too.

    :)

  35. 35
    avatar CLiNT FLiCK says:

    roscoe,

    China toon is always good for food, if y’like chinese food that is.

  36. 36
    avatar CLiNT FLiCK says:

    Also,

    the ‘Strawberry’ (pub) before the game, just outside the ground.

  37. 37
    avatar roscoe says:

    thanks clint, will check it out!

  38. 38
    avatar CLiNT FLiCK says:

    roscoe,
    cool mate.

    You’ll be able to soak up the pre-match atmos in the Strawberry in a very trad way man.
    Then you can literally ‘fall’ to the ground.

    China Town is but a kick in the arse away too.
    But i’m sure there’s some top restaurant’s down the ‘Quayside’ too mate.
    But i’m sure you’ll find something good without having to travel too far. You’ll have a great time man, enjoy!
    ;)

  39. 39
    avatar workyticket says:

    roscoe says:
    February 15, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    “Any tips on where to stay, pubs to visit before and after and where to go out after?”

    The Strawberry is the traditional place for a pint on match days roscoe, and it’s right by the stadium. Though because of those reasons it gets absolutely chocka when a game’s on of course.

  40. 40
    avatar AndyMac says:

    “It’s probably a demonstration of how far we have come in such a short space of time that some United fans have been decidedly grumpy following the recent setback at Tottenham”

    Let’s be clear about this, Pardwho was not the manager to take this club forward after Hughton. Given the investment, scouting system and player aquisitions that Pardwho has inherited, I’d have backed CH to get us, at least, this far after a season and a half in the BPL. If CH takes Brum up this season his performance will have vindicated those who claimed he was poorly treated and unjustly sacked.

    Pardwho, on the other hand, reminds me of Souness. A track record of hanging around the Premiership but without much real ability, tactical nous and a astonishingly poor judge of footballing talent.

    In an ideal world this club needs a talented manager with sound tactical knowledge and with experience of winning things at the highest level. Yes Fabio would be nice (I suggested him four years ago when we eventually brought in Allardyce !!!) but ultimately unaffordable bearing in mind Fatmans managerial wage structure.

    So realistiaclly the best we could hope for is a young talented manager with sound tactical knowledge but without the experience. Someone you could take a punt on but who, at the very minimum, wouldnt take the club backwards. Rodgers springs to mind as does Rene Girard at Montpelier but it aint gonna happen because Fatman only wants a “yes man” and Pardwho, despite all his failings, is most certainly that ! :(

  41. 41
    avatar UTD111 says:

    AndyMac@40 – ….But put what I said back in the context of what I was saying…

    It’s probably a demonstration of how far we have come in such a short space of time that some United fans have been decidedly grumpy following the recent setback at Tottenham. That’s understandable. However it’s a very short-term view of a one match blip in what has otherwise been a highly successful season so far.

    Maybe Hughton might have got us to where we are now, maybe not. But what does it matter? – the undeniable fact is that the current management setup HAS actually done it.

  42. 42
    avatar workyticket says:

    UTD111 says:
    February 15, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    “Maybe Hughton might have got us to where we are now, maybe not.”

    Who brought us the chief scout who brought us the new players who got us to where we are now UTD111?

  43. 43
    avatar UTD111 says:

    workyticket says:
    February 15, 2012 at 7:50 pm
    UTD111 says:
    February 15, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    “Maybe Hughton might have got us to where we are now,”

    Who brought us the chief scout who brought us the new players who got us to where we are now UTD111?
    _________________________________

    We don’t know….basically.

    The club do not communicate. I don’t think we can assume it was any particular individual – we simply don’t know who made those decisions.

  44. 44
    avatar workyticket says:

    UTD111 says:
    February 15, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    “We don’t know….basically.”

    Hughton said that he brought him into the club UTD111, and I certainly don’t think he’d lie about it.

  45. 45
    avatar TOONARMYELITE says:

    @AndyMac Pardwho, on the other hand, reminds me of Souness. A track record of hanging around the Premiership but without much real ability, tactical nous and a astonishingly poor judge of footballing talent. YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT MATE LMAO :)@AndyMacSo realistiaclly the best we could hope for is a young talented manager with sound tactical knowledge but without the experience. Someone you could take a punt on but who, at the very minimum, wouldnt take the club backwards. Rodgers springs to mind as does Rene Girard at Montpelier but it aint gonna happen because Fatman only wants a “yes man” and Pardwho, despite all his failings, is most certainly that ! YOU ARE JOKING AINT YA MATE :)

  46. 46
    avatar UTD111 says:

    workyticket says:
    February 15, 2012 at 7:59 pm
    UTD111 says:
    February 15, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    “We don’t know….basically.”

    Hughton said that he brought him into the club UTD111, and I certainly don’t think he’d lie about it.
    ______________________________________

    And Llambias said Hughton was incapable of making a decision….

    Hughton was Manager at the time – but I doubt if Ashley would have given Hughton free rein on just doing it.

  47. 47
    avatar AndyMac says:

    “Maybe Hughton might have got us to where we are now, maybe not. But what does it matter? – the undeniable fact is that the current management setup HAS actually done it”

    It matters only because when Pardwho hasnt won anything in five years time we’ll all be scratching our heads wondering why we havent won anything for nearly fifty years :)

  48. 48
    avatar UTD111 says:

    AndyMac says:
    February 15, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    ….. we’ll all be scratching our heads wondering why we havent won anything for nearly fifty years

    Woah!!! We won the European Inter Cities Fairs Cup in the last 50 years – I know, because I was there!!! :)

  49. 49
    avatar TOONARMYELITE says:

    AndyMac Think ya wrong mate sacking another manager would be just like shootin yaself in the foot :)

  50. 50
    avatar workyticket says:

    UTD111 says:
    February 15, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    “And Llambias said Hughton was incapable of making a decision….

    Hughton was Manager at the time – but I doubt if Ashley would have given Hughton free rein on just doing it.”

    It is strange how so many people still choose to actually believe two habitual liars like Llambias and Ashley.

    Chris Hughton on bringing Tiote (and Graham Carr) into the club.

    “and where I was fortunate was that I brought Graham Carr into the club and Graham Carr’s a chief scout that’s got great experience and when he came in. He also knew him and had followed him for a while. I spoke to Steve McClaren and when I spoke to Steve, Steve said “he could be anything, what you won’t do is lose your value on him”. Steve didn’t always play him. Steve played quite a tactical game and that I couldn’t understand. But he seemed a player who seemed so suited to the English game, the English Premiership, and he has been a revelation. At times he needs to curb his enthusiasm.”

  51. 51
    avatar chuck says:

    Workey
    Yes i believe i have commented on Pardews sophistication as far as tactics are concerned.
    He has until now either used one of two variations, the 4-4-2 or the 4-5-1.
    And the fact he uses both wingers as proxy defenders leaves me cold, an ugly game is the usual result of this tactic, prefer my wingers in the attacking role.
    How bout Jr. Hoilett on the right n’ Marveaux on the left with Cabeye in the middle, feeding our two Senagalese hit men up front, with HBA and Davies comming off the bench along with Sissokho in defence.
    Hey! if i ruled the world……

  52. 52
    avatar UTD111 says:

    Workyticket @50

    I didn’t say I believed Llambias. Equally I can’t bring myself to trust your Chris Hughton quote.

    My point was and is that – quotes in the media, newspaper reporting etc is not a reliable source of “the truth”.

    None of us can really know what actually happened in any given situation at the club, only the people who were directly involved really know.

    Maybe Chris Hughton’s claims are true, maybe they’re not – but others chose not to challenge them. Who knows.

  53. 53
    avatar UTD111 says:

    Haha – aye see yer Batty mate :)

  54. 54
    avatar batty says:

    utd same here re king kev ;)

  55. 55
    avatar batty says:

    utd you talkin to your self agen

  56. 56
    avatar UTD111 says:

    batty says:
    February 15, 2012 at 8:40 pm
    utd same here re king kev

    Yep! A United legend and a man of honesty and integrity…

    :)

  57. 57
    avatar UTD111 says:

    batty says:
    February 15, 2012 at 8:43 pm
    utd you talkin to your self agen
    ___________________________

    It’s an age thing…..LOL!

  58. 58
    avatar workyticket says:

    UTD111 says:
    February 15, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    “I didn’t say I believed Llambias. Equally I can’t bring myself to trust your Chris Hughton quote.”

    You don’t think he said it? Or you think that Hughton was lying UTD111?

    He said it on talk Sport in April of last year:

    http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/6595/2/exclusive-%E2%80%93-chris-hughton-%E2%80%98i%E2%80%99m-itching-get-back-management%E2%80%99

  59. 59
    avatar chuck says:

    What can you say about a guy who takes two relegated teams back to the PL in a season.
    Erm, probably become his speciality, having achieved success,possibly get replaced by a big name manager and end up hired by whoever got relegated.
    I doubt if it ever had anything to do with big names etc.at nufc.
    Probably Llambias and Ashley had a hard time dealing with a guy who had scruples and ethics, made them uncomfortable perhaps.

  60. 60
    avatar UTD111 says:

    Worky@58

    Pretty much what I said before – Maybe Chris Hughton’s claims are true, maybe they’re not – but others chose not to challenge them (for whatever reason). Who knows….

    Hughton and Ashley both had Tottenham connections and would both know Graham Carr from his David Pleat days. There are newspaper reports eg The Mail that Carr has high regard for Mike Ashley…it’s all conjecture.

    What we DO know, and back to my original point really, is that irrespective of who appointed whom, it’s the current management team have continued the good work Hughton did, and have got us to where we are today.

  61. 61
    avatar workyticket says:

    UTD111 says:
    February 15, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    “Yep! A United legend and a man of honesty and integrity…”

    Who was it who tried to sue the club for £25.6 million UTD111?

  62. 62
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    February 15, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    ” Probably Llambias and Ashley had a hard time dealing with a guy who had scruples and ethics, made them uncomfortable perhaps.”

    That’s what Ashley and Llambias really meant when they said they were looking for someone with more “experience” Chuck.

  63. 63
    avatar AndyMac says:

    Three things

    1.UTD111 I was merely saying that the Spuds result did not suddenly get me on a “Sack the manager” crusade. I’m not advocating sacking a manager it’s just that he’s not the man to take us to the next level and demonstrated no real qualifications in his CV for taking on the role of developing the club apart from his gambling habits :)

    2. I was being a tad harsh regarding Souness v Pardwho – at least Souness won something :)

    3. In five years time it’ll be 2017 and 1969 will be NEARLY fifty years ago :)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    UTD111 says:
    February 15, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    “Pretty much what I said before – Maybe Chris Hughton’s claims are true, maybe they’re not”

    Of course it’s true UTD111. I doubt that even Llambias would lie about something like that publicly and on the record, let alone an honest man like Hughton. Though Llambias would feed some kind of smear story to the media.

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    avatar CLiNT FLiCK says:

    None of it matters really, as all that really matters is where we end up at the season’s end.
    Which is what matters…

    :lol:

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    avatar Paul in Hollywood says:

    AndyMac says:
    “It matters only because when Pardwho hasnt won anything in five years time we’ll all be scratching our heads wondering why we havent won anything for nearly fifty years.”

    I doubt that Pardew will still be in this job if he hasn’t either won us something or else taken us into the Champions League in the next couple of years.

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    avatar Supermac says:

    What about the InterToto cup !
    Our biggest prize in 4 decades & it doesn’t exist !

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    avatar CLiNT FLiCK says:

    Didn’t we win the Valencia cup, or whatever?
    That was MASSIVE!
    :)

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    avatar Supermac says:

    Did you see Pootball Focus visit to the 5under1and trophy room – they’ve got an old mac once worn by Bob Stokoe in a glass case ! Now I know they’ve only won one cup since Hitler opened the Olympics – but how desperate can you get ?

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    avatar Supermac says:

    I’ve got a vague feeling that we are still the holders of the Anglo-Italian Cup ?

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    avatar Supermac says:

    1973 Newcastle United won the last final 2–1 against Fiorentina – just looked it up on wikipedia

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    avatar workyticket says:

    CLiNT FLiCK says:
    February 15, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    “Didn’t we win the Valencia cup, or whatever?”

    It was the Teresa’s Hair trophy or something like that Clint.

    And who can forget the unforgettale back to back Texaco Trophy wins in ’74-5? apart from those who weren’t born at the time obviously. They were ample compensation for being denied an FA Cup by that little gadgie with a perm – can’t remember his name.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Supermac says:
    February 15, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    “Did you see Pootball Focus visit to the 5under1and trophy room – they’ve got an old mac once worn by Bob Stokoe in a glass case !”

    Very nice gadgie, well he was when I met him at Joker Park. I was only a bairn at the time mind. He might have been wearing that same raincoat.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Supermac says:
    February 15, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    “1973 Newcastle United won the last final 2–1 against Fiorentina – just looked it up on wikipedia”

    Aye, so did I Supermac. We would have been the last winners but they reintroduced it twice, firstly as a semi pro competition which even Sutton Town won, then they reintroduced it again for First Division and Serie B teams in the 90s. Genoa beat the mighty Port Vale for the last one in 1996.

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    avatar Supermac says:

    Did you see that Rangers have been deducted 10 points – I thought that would put them half way down the SPL, but they’re still 2nd on 52 points, 9 ahead of the 3rd place & will still qualify for europe! Talk about a micky mouse league – you couldn’t make it up !

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    avatar TOONARMYELITE says:

    Theres more than rangers going bust theres 9 all together according to the papers,some in the premership also if papers to be believed.

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    avatar TOONARMYELITE says:

    http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/550135846?-11198 see arsenal looking at hoilett

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    avatar UTD111 says:

    workyticket says:
    February 15, 2012 at 9:06 pm
    UTD111 says:
    February 15, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    “Yep! A United legend and a man of honesty and integrity…”

    Who was it who tried to sue the club for £25.6 million UTD111?
    _______________________________

    You really have to stop believing what you read in the press!

    Sir Kevin took Ashley for constructive dismissal – which is where an employee resigns because of totally unacceptable behaviour by his employer. That’s the kind of action I would expect from a man of honesty and integrity.

    The 20-0dd million figure looked good if trying to sell newspapers but was never going to happen in reality.

    Sir Kevin had every right to take the action after the way he had been treated, the money came out of Ashley’s pocket (he was telling us he was financing the club blah blah)- and it’s wrong to try to put a spin on the circumstances trying to imply that Sir Kevin was somehow attacking Newcastle United.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    UTD111 says:
    February 16, 2012 at 6:52 am

    “You really have to stop believing what you read in the press!”

    I don’t UTD111, but I do believe the official findings of the Tribunal. I could do “Mastermind” on the Keegan case. ;-)

    He said that he was finished with football management before he joined Newcastle United, but he went back in to raise money for global expansion of his “Soccer Circus” empire, yet he claimed that he would have earned around £16.5m in management before he was 65.

    http://www.leaguemanagers.com/news/news-6426.html

    It was also true that his bitter, long running feud with Bbbby Robson over being dropped from the England side inspired Newcastle fans to spit on Robson when he once was at at St James’ Park. Not alot of fans choose to remember that.

    Keegan was also the only football man who knew Robson who didn’t have one nice word to say about him when he died.

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    avatar Supermac says:

    How about picturing Kev, Shearer & SBR in a locked room. 3 great NUFC legends but no love lost in private – and perhaps that’s where it should be left!

    Take any high presured job such as politics, big business, army or (my job) academics and you will find examples of life long deep resentment between people who most assume are friends because of their close interests – but you could not be more wrong!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Aye Supermac, I’ve known a few academics in my time ;-)

    Bobby Robson never really held much of a grudge against anyone, not publicly anyway.

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    avatar Derek L says:

    To those saying Spurs was a one off :

    4-2 loss against Norwich
    3-2 loss against West Brom
    5-2 loss against Fulham
    1-0 loss against Brighton

    All teams that we should be beating. Plus, we have been really lucky on numerous occasions. A competent manager would have us even higher up the table if they had had the same amount of luck as Pardew.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Supermac says:
    February 16, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    “St James Park sign removed !”

    They were always going to remove it Supermac. I very much doubt it will be for a new sponsor who will bring revenue into the club though, it will be for Sports Direct. Shepherd was right, we Newcastle United fans really are “mugs”.

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    avatar Supermac says:

    UNT111 – A thoughtful article. I’m prepared to agree with you – not just based on results – but because when you say key players were missing you included Raylor.

    A few months ago most of us would have said he was a weak link & should be shipped out – but not now – he has come on realy well (as with Guthrie & perhaps Perch soon).
    This makes me think there is a bit more to our coaching than I appreciated – this together with good signings, youth plans and 6th position make I admit there is a good (not brilliant) case for the defence.
    So I think an open mind & support has been earned, and the jury’s verdict should be held over to the end of the season.

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    avatar hoosiertoon says:

    My biggest concern with this team is that since Saylor went out, the defense has had some absolutely shocking performances. They massive gaps they left open against Spurs were inexcusable and they looked half a step slower minimum the whole game compared to their attackers. I really thought we needed to bring in a CB in January, and will pay for not doing so. Williamson just doesn’t do it for me at all, far too slow, poor marking, etc. Only remotely useful in the air. When he has a bad day, the whole back line looks awful.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    There has indeed been something of a difference in our defensive form since Steven Taylor was knacked. But anyway hoosiertoon, how’s your planned trip to the Arsenal game coming along?

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    avatar hoosiertoon says:

    It’s coming along. I desperately want to go, and have held out hope that the NUFC box office will allow away ticket sales to the general sale, though as you have outlined earlier, this is a near impossibility. As such, I will probably purchase a ticket through an online website, though i must convince my friend that is accompanying me on the trip to pay £75, for a once in a lifetime experience. i fully plan on being there

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    avatar workyticket says:

    hoosiertoon, have you actually phoned the box office and explained your situation to them?

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    avatar hoosiertoon says:

    I haven’t, as the amount I would pay to make international calling on my current phone is an extraordinary amount. I might try it if you suggest I should however.

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    avatar Supermac says:

    skysports says “Ameobi not fazed by success” – now there’s a headline you don’t see every day.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    hosiertoon, do you have those international calling services over there where they let you dial international numbers through them for a fraction of the usual cost? They used to be a godsend to me when I had to keep track on all my girls in Europe and the US.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Supermac says:
    February 16, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    “skysports says “Ameobi not fazed by success” – now there’s a headline you don’t see every day.”

    Who’s our biggest provider of assists this season even though he’s hardly played Supermac? ;-)

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    avatar maze202 says:

    Vuckic did well for Cardiff!

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    avatar hoosiertoon says:

    Ya we do, I’ll attempt it with one of those. I’ve tried calling with the number, and all I’ve gotten is the busy sound. Don’t know if its my phone or otherwise. I’ll try again tomorrow

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    avatar workyticket says:

    hoosiertoon says:
    February 16, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    “I’ve tried calling with the number, and all I’ve gotten is the busy sound.”

    Aye hoosiertoon, that sounds like the SJP box office, where the customer is always shite! :-)

    maze202 says:
    February 16, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    “Vuckic did well for Cardiff!”

    He’s a very talented player maze.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    hoosiertoon, In case you miss it, Stephen C’s left a comment for you about Arsenal tickets in the latest blog. He say’s you’d better be quick though!

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