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Newcastle United vs Sunderland derby day match banter!

Posted on March 4th, 2012 | 92 Comments |

Newcastle United v Sunderland.
The Mackems: A tougher test than they used to be?
Venue: St James’ Park.
Date: Sun 4th Mar 2012.
Kick-Off: High Noon.
Referee: Mike Dean.

Hello Geordies and welcome to our regular match banter feature.

Today of course sees the Magpies pitted against the Mackems in another one of those “must win” derbies against our much loved and respected neighbours from the so called “city” of Sunderland.

In a recent interview for the Daily Torygraph, Alan Pardew claimed to now know everything about the about the town and the psyche of we fans. The Silver Supremo revealed:

“There’s nothing I don’t know about what’s going on in the town – how they feel about us, how they feel about the club, how they feel about removing the sign at the ground, how they feel about the performance at Spurs, how they feel about this game, whippets, number 9s, brown ale, spotty cakes… Gawd bless ’em!”

This he ascribed to assistant and native guide, John “why aye man” Carver, adding later in the interview:

“He gives me the psyche of the fan, he’s generally grumpy about something, he will always come in and have a gripe, in a nice way.”

More to the point for today’s encounter though, does the grey gaffer know everything about the psyche of Martin O’Neill?

Despite hitting a little turbulence recently, losing his last two Premiership games (against Arsenal and West Brom), The Ulsterman has presided over something of a resurgence in Sunderland’s fortunes since he was introduced as a replacement for Geordie special agent, Steve Bruce. Agent Bruce, sadly, went a little too far in his assignment to keep the Wearsiders comfortably below us us in the Premiership. That’s all over now though, with Sunderland rising towards us in the table at an alarming pace until their recent two setbacks.

But that’s quite enough guff from me for the moment, for all the usual pre match stuff an nonsense such as team news, stats, interviews etc, I can recommend nothng more highly than my collegue Hugh’s excellent match preview. I will also be posting the official teamsheets when they become available.

The match will be broadcast in the UK on ESPN Sports.

Howay the lads!

Newcastle United vs Sunderland team sheets

Newcastle United (4-4-2): Tim Krul (G), Danny Simpson, Mike Williamson, Fabricio Coloccini (C), Davide Santon, Ryan Taylor, Yohan Cabaye, Cheick Tiote, Jonas Gutierrez, Papiss Cisse, Demba Ba.

Subs: Rob Elliot (G), James Perch, Danny Guthrie, Gabriel Obertan, Hatem Ben Arfa, Peter Lovenkrands, Shola Ameobi.

Sunderland (4-4-2): Simon Mignolet; Phil Bardsley, Michael Tunrer, John O’Shea; Kieran Richardson; Sebastian Larsson, Lee Cattermole (c), Craig Gardner, James McClean; Stephane Sessegnon, Nicklas Bendtner.

Substitutes: Craig Gordon, Wayne Bridge, Matt Kilgallon, Jack Colback, David Vaughan, David Meyler, Fraizer Campbell.

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92 Responses

  1. chroniclelive reports “Jackie Milburn statue to stand at St James’ Park” – well said the chronic, no sprouts direct there!

    HWTL

  2. “the psyche of Martin O’Neill? ” – shouts a lot, waves his arms about, spouts nearly as much rubbish as AP, and is a life long 5under1and fan cos he once know about an irish player who played for them.
    Mind you, I’d forgive all that if he managed us

    2-0

    HWTL

  3. Supermac says:
    March 4, 2012 at 11:11 am

    chroniclelive reports “Jackie Milburn statue to stand at St James’ Park” – well said the chronic, no sprouts direct there!

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/evening-chronicle-news/2012/03/03/jackie-milburn-statue-to-stand-outside-st-james-park-72703-30452499/2/

    I was just reading it earlier Supermac.

    Newcastle City Council have a “Cabinet minister for quality of life?” What a load of old bollocks that sounds.

  4. Sunderland all day, cant see any other result, Newcastle are gonna be nervous after the Wolves fightback and James McClean against Simpson is a missmatch.

    4-2 Sunderland (McClean 12, 43, Sessegnon 71, Larsson 90)
    (Ba 63, 86)

  5. Jay says:
    March 4, 2012 at 11:36 am

    “Sunderland all day, cant see any other result, Newcastle are gonna be nervous after the Wolves fightback”

    Sunderland were comprehesively knacked by WBA last time though Jay. They could be nervous about that too (I hope).

  6. Usually what happens when you play with a static 4-4-2 Worky against a team using a 4-4-1-1 / 4-5-1.

    Happens a lot this season.

  7. Question:

    Why play 4-4-2 with alleged wide men then play a narrow formation in order to try and stop their midfield ?

    Pardwho’s blinkered obsession with 4-4-2 (presumably because he cant think of a way to play both Cisse and Ba without it) is what singles him out as a manager with no other plan be it b or c or escape ?

  8. AndyMac why have Yohan Cabaye sit in your own half and play like a workhorse when he is allegedly our creative force?

  9. workyticket says:
    March 4, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    “Get Pedro on, and Chrissy Waddle!”

    And have them play as a defensive central midfield? Because that’s what would happen.

  10. finished the half much better, 5under1and could have peaked – could turn it round 2nd half, but offer me a draw & I’d take it!

    HWTL

  11. Riveting stuff so far. Working really well again. If he doesn’t match their formation up, and just replaces with a like for like switch, with the same set up, we won’t get anything.

    We may as well not have a midfield.

    Still, I’m sure it’s all the refs fault.

  12. workyticket says:
    March 3, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    tunyc says:
    March 3, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    “mark the hell out of Ba”

    “Possibly tunyc, but a player of his abilty could still drop a shoulder and lose a marker eventually. It can be better with someone like him to dominate and close down the midfield, making sure thay can’t reach Ba, leaving him isolated.”

    Doh! Martin O’Neill’s been reading my comments from yesterday. :lol:

  13. We are not getting beyond their back four. There is no penetration and therefore little service to Ba and Cisse

    I would replace Raylor with Obertan and Jonas with Ben Arfa.

    However, there must be a concern that we could have at least one player sent off. Need to start playing football and forget this is a derby.

  14. 2 strikers up front and no service whatsoever ! 4-4-2 works with flying wingers crossing from the byline for two in the box, so why havent we done that ?

    Fear factor :(

  15. If they continue to let Ba get between the zones in their marking, he’ll score from a set piece. That isn’t going to help, though, if the continue to completely dominate midfield. HBA was warming up during the half. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him brought on for Cisse (who seems to have barely touched the ball).

  16. Mike Dean has determined the course of the game so far. He doesn’t understand that that’s not his role. Jerk.

  17. Fully three yard off his line.

    YOu know, the reason refs often don’t get respect is that they’re one of very few groups of people who never have to take responsbility for their mistakes.

  18. Hate to say it, but if that falls to Saylor, it’s a goal.

    Without Dean’s influence, this is a win. We dominated except for 35 minutes of the first half.

  19. Oh, and I have to apologize on behalf of all yanks for the commentator employed by ESPN. Absolute crap.

  20. Cattermole off after whistle.

    Never happened to someone more deserving. Personally, I think three or four could have been sent off: McClean for the foul on Simpson, whoever that was who caught Colo with their studs up and then Cattermole. Then again, Tiote might have seen an early shower too. I think Dean is afraid of Mr. T!

  21. tunyc says:
    March 4, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    “Oh, and I have to apologize on behalf of all yanks for the commentator employed by ESPN. Absolute crap.”

    We had Chrissy Waddle, now it’s over to KK.

  22. Agreed Jimbob. Also, don’t hold your breath waiting for Obertan to change a game like HBA did. Arguably MOM to me, though that probably has to go to Shola, Hammer of the mackems.

  23. Ben Arfa was great, but they were 10 men so we only saw his good side and none of his “flaws”. Coulda been 2-1 with the penalty. Pretty poor showing really.

  24. There needs to be some sort of more transparent and aggressive system of review for ref’s performances. Dean was crap today, he once again made the match all about himself. But he’ll be trotting out next week for a PL match again. Again, this is why refs don’t get respect.

    How do you give such a high-tension match to a guy known for giving bookings, sendings off and penalties for fun?

  25. Maze-are you forgetting the 13 minutes of the 2nd half before the sending off, when even the mackem commentator admitted we were bossing it? He changed the way we played completely-he won’t play hoofball and helped his teammates have the confidence to pass it and keep possession by his example.

  26. I make that a 6 game ban for Cattermole ? Ten bookings in a season gives you two I think plus a straight red for dissent is three plus another one cos he’s a Mackem :)

  27. Deserved to win. Hit the bar, missed a pen, had at least 1 other clear penalty turned down.

    The negative people will say the 2nd half only went so well because Sunderland were down to 10 man but the game 2nd half was going the exact same way for 15 mins before the sending off happened.

    We were terrible for 35 mins of the 1st half but for the rest there was only 1 team in it.

    Ben Arfa was great when he came on.

  28. worky, i must be mistaken, i thought shola was a statue…
    deserved his goal, as soon as he got off the bench, you could see it was written in the stars.

    sunderland were the better side in the first half, without a shadow of a doubt.
    they were the only side trying to play football, and no complaints with the penalty.
    williamson is a complete donkey, pulling turner’s shirt in front of the ref.

    even before sessegnon’s rush of blood, we started the second half the better.
    personally i would have started with shola, as i think he is good in the first 25 minutes of derby games.
    the first half may have had a different complection, as shola would have been more up for it.
    cisse could have got on the end of a couple of things, but he did look like he was carrying a knock, and didn’t seem to be that sharp.

    sessegnon was stupid in his actions, ref had no choice but to send him off.
    that galvanised us even more, and from that point on, it was all newcastle.
    credit to sunderland though, some of their defending was top notch.
    i thought it wasn’t going to be newcastle’s day, after the penalty miss, although i think it should have been taken again, mingolet was off his line, well before the ball was kicked.

    newcastle threw everything at sunderland, bar the kitchen sink, and could have had a couple more goals.
    although sunderland should have gone two nil up, missing that sitter.

    i think ben arfa should have also been on from the start, as taylor was more or less ineffective on the wing.

    all in all, i think 1-1 was a fair result.

  29. Sorry Paulosio but if we hadnt had a Clueless twat in charge then we might have got a result :(

    With the news that Wolves were 2-0 at half time to Fulham and are now losing 4-0, I have to say this manager is way past his sell by date.

    I feel an article coming on WT :)

  30. Thanks for yet another 4 points this season Sunderland. Same again next year please lads, assuming you don’t get relegated. x

  31. Who were the commentators for the ESPN broadcast ?
    Normally we get Steve McManaman, as the color commentator and IMO does a pretty good job of it (once you get over the scouse accent)
    Have to say most of the play by play guys are pretty good, of course some are better than others but in general happy enough.
    Comparisons between color commentators vary much more, in the degree of knowledge about whats happening,
    Some could easily be described as biased, homers, etc.
    For the most part they are ex players and have a good understanding of the action.
    Then there are others who can be more descriptive as to what sides or players are doing either right/wrong or collectivly as a side.
    They are by far the most interesting, by their observations and obvious undertanding, bringing a better undertanding of the game to the watcher.
    Then again we the fans are just as apt to have our own opinons and sometimes disagree, certainly when hearing negatives about the side we support.
    Ah well!

  32. Sounds like a bunch of homers, but perhaps KK may no longer be included in that group
    As far as ESPN is concerned, they have finally, with the US based MSL and a not so shabby national side decided that SOCCER is a viable sport to show.
    If our commentor who was apologising for the broadcasters had any experience, listening to Tommy Smyth and others back a decade ago, he would realise anyone would be an improvement over that lot.
    But on saying that ESPN pretty much knows little about the game and even less about a choice of announcers.
    But they did hire Andy Gray a couple of years ago, to cover certain games.
    And anyone who has listened to Andy realises he is he only , who knas owt aboot the game like !
    And to be fair McManaman is pretty interesting.

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