Hatem: You’ve gotta love him! – Newcastle vs Bolton match report

Hatem Ben Arfa scoring against Bolton.

C'est magnifique!

Bolton rolled into Toon on the back of a bit of a kicking at the hands of the improving Fulham, but with a trio of wins in front of that, it was always going to be a tricky fixture and so it was going to be down to who wanted it more.

Patience was the order of the day for high flying Newcastle United.

Newcastle’s Captain, Fabricio Coloccini, was back in tandem with his partner in crime ‘Iron’ Mike Williamson at Centre Back and Davide Santon had his place at Left Back. Tiote didn’t make the line-up, so Perch moved into a midfield birth along with Jonas, making a return to midfield also after his recent stint at Left Back.

Bolton lined up in a 4-5-1, which, as the game kicked off, looked more like a 5-4-1. They looked very determined to keep things really tight, and didn’t spend alot of time committing too many forward. To say that the first half was cagey would be understating things somewhat. Words like boring, dull, tight, slow, lacking any coherence, painful, kind of summed it up.

I could actually say no more about it, but…

Newcastle looked ever so slightly more attacking, but the game on Friday had obviously had an effect on the efficacy of the team. We looked jaded.

Whilst employing a 4-3-3 formation, Bolton’s packed defence didn’t make it easy to find a way through. Bolton had played on Saturday, so probably felt even worse, to be fair. It was as if they’d made a pact before the game not to run fast, Newcastle seemed to agree. Nothing was really sticking to Cisse or Ba. It was all midfield. Bolton looked anxious while Newcastle looked frustrated, but couldn’t do much about it. There wasn’t much of quality to wax about.

In terns of “action,” Hatem Ben Arfa looped a dangerous free kick in after 30 minutes, Adam Bogdan punched it straight at Ricketts. It rebounded, but drifted wide of the goal, fortunately for them. It was a turgid affair though. Both teams weren’t creating much whilst stopping the other quite effectively. One thing you could say about the half was that it was mostly played on the floor as opposed to hoofing it up in the air.

A painfully dull half ended without much ado. It couldn’t have got more anodyne.

Half-Time: Newcastle 0 – 0 Bolton.

Second Half

Newcastle came out for the second half without James Perch, replaced by Shane Ferguson, not sure why as I write this.

Right from the get go it was blatently apparent that Bolton were feeling a lot braver. Flying out of the traps. It was as if they’d been applauded by Owen Coyle for surviving the first half and were under orders to ‘have a go’. They are in the sort of position where if they don’t, they won’t beat the drop this season.

Whatever he’d said during the break had worked. They had a great chance after the ball had bobbled around our box without being cleared, it fell to a Bolton player who shot, but Tim Krul was on his mettle and got down well, kicking it away with his left foot. Great save!

To be honest it looked like if it’d been left for Petrov who was hovering, it would have been a better bet and an almost certain goal, as he was ready, willing and better placed.

Bolton stayed on top for the next 5 minutes, winning a couple of corners. Then, Petrov, their best player on the day, swerved a great cross that flashed right across our goalmouth, though nobody could get a touch on it. Luckily we didn’t tap it in for them either.

Phew!

By the time the clock had got to the 60 minute mark the frustration was being to ramp up. Though it was a much better spectacle by now. The ref was helping with the crowds frustration by ordering niggly little decisions to the away team. Newcastle were starting to build a bit of a head of steam now, but still, nothing was sticking to Ba or Cisse up top and the ref was giving nothing to them for all the little pushes and pulls, arms and elbows.

Just as I was thinking ‘maybe it’s time for Super Shola?’, no sooner had I thought it, there he was making his languid way onto the pitch to replace Demba Ba. If there’s one thing Shola’s really good at it’s hold up play, stickability, if you will. Humour me!

Ferguson had injected some much needed pace into our game and we were winning a few corners and putting them under some concerted pressure. Most of the corners came to nothing though. After Bolton’s mini revival for the first 5-10 minutes of this half, our defence had bread and butter jobs to do. Tim Krul made his usual timely save though, this time from very close range. Newcastle were getting increasingly more ball now and pushing for an attack of note.

The game was about to turn.

It did so with a turn of brilliance from the mercurial Hatem Ben Arfa, he’d been double teamed all game on the wing, but was starting to forage more centrally. Cabaye fed a ball, Hatem spun a Bolton player in the center circle, pushed it forward for himself, high kicked out of a sliding lunge from another. Piling straight down the middle of the defensive line, was almost clipped as he glided past two more Bolton challenges on the edge of their box, in on the ‘keeper, and then he slotted deftly past Bogdan into the bottom left of the Gallowgate goal.

What a Goal!

Bolton visibly wilted at the sight of that. Newcastle were in the ascendecy now, Shola was winning balls and Bolton were being pulled about. Ten minutes after Hatem’s scorcher, Cabaye again fed a chipped pass down the right to Shola, who himself took a leaf out of Ben Arfa’s book and spun a defender. He was in acres of space now and although he’s not the quickest he bore down on goal towards the right corner of their box. Papiss Cisse was wise to what was going down and made his way to the far stick, like a good
striker does, Shola’s beutifully weighted cross curled away from the ‘keeper, perfectly finding it’s mark in the form of the in rushing Cisse to notch his 10th goal in 9 games with a simple left footed tap in.

Newcastle Unoted 2 – 0 Bolton Wanderers

And game over effectively!

There was still time for Hatem Ben Arfa to be allowed a great reception from the Geordie faithful as he made way for Ryan Taylor. Bolton brought on Ryo Miyaichi, David N’Gog and Ivan Klasnic, and went all out attack but it wasn’t to be as Newcastle saw the game out comfortably.

Full-Time: Newcastle United 2 – 0 Bolton Wanderers

Another great win, another 3 points, another clean sheet, another Cisse goal, and yet another Hatem Ben Arfa super strike!

I’m pretty sure that I heard a rendition of: ‘Walking in a Pardew Wonderland,’ and as the camera panned to focus on Alan Pardew, to me he looked genuinely moved. It’s been a long wait and it is something that the Geordies sing when they mean it!

Not a great game, but we jump above Chelsea and go level on points with Spurs. A few days recovery until we play Stoke.

Howay the Lads!

Teams

Newcastle United (4-3-3): Tim Krul (G), Danny Simpson, Mike Williamson, Fabricio Coloccini (C), Davide Santon, Yohan Cabaye, James Perch (Shane Ferguson HT), Jonas Gutierrez, Hatem Ben Arfa (Ryan Taylor 85), Papiss Cisse, Demba Ba.

Subs: Rob Elliot (G), James Tavernier, Shane Ferguson, Ryan Taylor, Mehdi Abeid, Dan Gosling, Shola Ameobi.

Bolton Wanderers (4-5-1): Adam Bogdan (G) Gretar Steinsson, David Wheater, Tim Ream, Sam Ricketts; Chris Eagles (David Ngog 78), Nigel Reo-Coker, Mark Davies, Darren Pratley (Ivan Klasnic 81), Martin Petrov; Kevin Davies (C, Ryo Miyaichi 78).

Subs: Jussi Jaaskelainen (G), Marcos Alonso, Zat Knight, Ryo Miyaichi, Ivan Klasnic, David Ngog, Marvin Sordell.

Match facts, stats etc.

Newcastle United 2, Bolton Wanderers 0.

Goals: Hatem Ben Arfa (72), Papiss Cisse (82).
Yellow cards: Jonas Gutierrez (61), Nigel Reo-Coker (65).
Red cards: None
Possession: Newcastle United 51.45%, Bolton Wanderers 48.55%.
Territorial Advantage: Newcastle United 43.8%, Bolton Wanderers 56.2%.
Shots on target: Newcastle United 3, Bolton Wanderers 3.
Shots off target: Newcastle United 2, Bolton Wanderers 3.
Corners: Newcastle United 6, Bolton Wanderers 5.
Fouls: Newcastle United 7, Bolton Wanderers 18.
Total Passes: Newcastle United 401, Bolton Wanderers 376.
Pass success: Newcastle United 78.6%, Bolton Wanderers 75%.
Tackle success: Newcastle United 90.9%, Bolton Wanderers 56.2%.

Newcastle United v Bolton Wanderers full match video.

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85 Responses to “Hatem: You’ve gotta love him! – Newcastle vs Bolton match report”

  1. 1
    avatar workyticket says:

    Great report, Clint. Really well done.

    Great win too. It’s just a shame to see our supposedly rejuvenated Wearside neighbours losing by four goals (again), otherwise it would have been a perfect day.

  2. 2
    avatar workyticket says:

    Prediction competition now up to date until Blackburn and Liverpool play this evening.

    Current standings 1 – Sir Jason Toon (95 points), 2= Kilgore_D_Sprout, Grand Poobah (both 87 points).

  3. 3
    avatar Paul in Hollywood says:

    Hey Clint, great report and even greater when we are feeling the Sun and wind on our backs! HWTL.

    P.S. Thanks Worky for the usual (and essential) Match Banter. I watched it all!

  4. 4
    avatar joppadoni says:

    yeah worky its devastating… wtf? did you mean you had hoped they got beat by 5???

    lmfao

  5. 5
    avatar CLiNT FLiCK says:

    worky,

    ta mate, a few typos as i was rushing & being constantly interrupted, thanx for correcting my bad (bogdan for jaaskelainen).

    Aye,
    it was a real pity about 5’1and :)

    Double thanx to fulham & norwich tonight, me thinks!

    Cheers Paul.

    Time to enjoy the fun while it lasts.

    ;)

  6. 6
    avatar Paul in Hollywood says:

    Agreed Clint, a handshake to Fulham and a slap on the back to Norwich; although referees did us no favours. We could have put a bit of distance between us and Chelski.

  7. 7
    avatar nzedtoonman says:

    Gotto say terrific result against bolton and last three games are even more impressive for the NIL goal against , we need to keep tight defensive lines ahead of next three games and then who knows what can happen, a draw against chelski would be awesome and then who knows what beckons in Europe ???
    KTF

  8. 8
    avatar newyorkfan says:

    lets not forget demba ba and the great work he has done for us uptill now – he doesn’t deserve to be dismissed as such

  9. 9
    avatar nufc337 says:

    not long before they put up ba and cisse goals :) but a youtube clip of the great one and all of his 206 goals(should of been 207) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTGjVKIBWFA

  10. 10
    avatar nufc337 says:

    also been humming the champions league theme song would be fantastic to hear it at st james park again :), next big match to watch doesn’t involve Newcastle but Liverpool v everton can could possibly be celebrating our involvement in Europe

  11. 11
    avatar maze202 says:

    Only planned on watching a few nufc337, ended up watching the lot! Haha. Put alot past middlesbrough ey.

  12. 12
    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    Amazing goal !!
    Hope we keep pushing Howay the Lads!

  13. 13
    avatar chuck says:

    Where did ya get the stats from ?
    look a bit dodgey to me.
    And you forgot to mention “truth be told”, the second goal was offside.
    I had mentioned in an earlier rant, that Pardew not knowing what to do with HBA has apparently given him the freedom to roam and mentioned that to be a good thing.
    To then read that in fact was the case, is assuring, that what i state is on the money.
    Nah ! good job Clinton, just gotta jerk your chain every os often.

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  15. 15
    avatar Tripp says:

    interesting interview.

  16. 16
    avatar Tripp says:

    Was just looking at the run-ins for us, Chelski, and spuds… Spuds have the easiest by far, sadly. I’d say we have the hardest by a long shot. Hopefully we can keep our form going.

  17. 17
    avatar GS says:

    Glad we have a break before Stoke. We are getting so much love in the press I am worried that it might go to our heads.

    Thank God that there are still some who only mention Spurs and Chelsea when they talk about 4th and 5th spots.

    Having a chip on our shoulder about everybody writing us off and putting us down is a good thing at this stage.

  18. 18
    avatar UTD111 says:

    Good report Clint mate :)

    Lads – this thing about Spurs having an easier run in….aye but that doesn’t matter when they’re playing shyte!!

  19. 19
    avatar CLiNT FLiCK says:

    chuck,

    ;)

    At least we can afford magnanimity in the run in, chelsea & spuds are looking over their shoulders & under pressure to perform.
    That’s to our advantage!

  20. 20
    avatar Jimbob says:

    Clint, you reckon that was 4-3-3 yesterday? I did too but reading through some reports they think it was more 4-4-2. To be honest it was such a mess first half I couldn’t really tell though Cabaye sat deeper and I think Pardew only likes the 4-3-3 because he knows Tiote can protect the back four…

  21. 21
    avatar CLiNT FLiCK says:

    chuck,
    about the ‘offside’.

    When i wrote the piece i had no clue about the possibility even of an offside for the Cisse’s goal mate.
    It turns out that it’s really difficult to tell as the only clear video has been on motd last night. In their feed, inexplicably, on the camera with the best angle for checking the line of offside, at the exact moment the Shola makes the pass, some gadj jumps up & obscures the cameras view. Honestly!
    So there has been no way of telling for sure.
    Cisse looks level with the ball, which would mean onside, Shola is behind the ball when kicking, but i think the ball is the important object in this case. You can’t be offside if you’re level or behind the ball.

    But that said…
    the conclusion is…
    inconclusive!

  22. 22
    avatar Jimbob says:

    There’s an interview with Guthrie in the program going on about how Tiote allows himself and Cabaye to play together in a 4-3-3.

  23. 23
    avatar chuck says:

    CLINT
    Hey ! happy enough with the three points, it’s a moot point apart from goal average.

  24. 24
    avatar GS says:

    Clint and UTD111:

    I don’t get why the press have such a hard 0n for Spurs and ‘Arry. I find ‘Arry’s diatribes boring. The stuff he was saying in his trial was comical.

    He was found “not guilty” but are we sure he was “innocent”? What innocent man opens a secret Monaco account in his dog’s name?

    Please let the Spurs slump continue for the sake of Newcastle, the England national team, and my ear holes.

  25. 25
    avatar chuck says:

    Yeah, there’s something about going for a european spot, without pressure and i have a feeling this side is getting used to winning.
    Plus, i’m sure there’s a lot more pressure on the north london rivals and Chelsea.
    See what happens ?

  26. 26
    avatar Tripp says:

    Aye spuds have been shite lately and long may it continue. Chelski shouldn’t have any points from their last two matches either it sounds like. Hopefully they’ll keep dropping points and we have our fate in our hands… esp against Chelski.

  27. 27
    avatar chuck says:

    GS
    Arry’s a character, besides being a pretty good manager.
    Give him a bitta credit.
    Hell he could’nt be much worse than the vastly overpaid jokers who have won jack !
    Do you really need to hire Sweede’s n’ Italians?
    Hey ! if they dont hire Arry i gotta bloke for you, name’s Pardew, smashing manager, currently plying his trade at Noocarsil, he’s yours for nowt.

  28. 28
    avatar GS says:

    Chuck:

    You take the other side to every comment.

  29. 29
    avatar GS says:

    Doni just sent off. Does that mean he is suspended for Everton?

  30. 30
    avatar UTD111 says:

    Yep – no we mobley for Doni

  31. 31
    avatar UTD111 says:

    Wembley even!!

  32. 32
    avatar workyticket says:

    Jimbob says:
    April 10, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    “Clint, you reckon that was 4-3-3 yesterday? I did too but reading through some reports they think it was more 4-4-2.”

    Jimbob, some of the people who write these reports don’t seem to be especially knowledgable, can’t read a game and just make it up as they gan along sometimes. Trust your own judgement as it seems to be far better than theirs. Even MOTD got it wrong. It WAS a 4-3-3, kind of. The ones saying it was 4-4-2 had Benny on the right wing with Cisse and Ba as the in front of them as the two forwards, which was cobblers.

    Benny was up there in the front line for most of the game playing on Cisse’s flank, more or less. If anyone was making it look like more of a 4-4-2, it was actually Ba on the other side, who was dropping back into the midfield.

    One thing I’ve noticed since Pardew’s 4-3-3 road to Damascus is how incredibly narrow we are in the middle (not saying it’s good or bad ATM, it just is). In our last few games, the middle three just seem to be hugging each other in the centre circle for much of the game with the full backs keeping a VERY high line.

    Should we start calling Alan Pardew “Alan Pardiola” yet? :-)

  33. 33
    avatar UTD111 says:

    Flippin I-Pads LOL

  34. 34
    avatar CLiNT FLiCK says:

    GS,

    like chuck says, auld ‘arry is a good manager like.
    That doesn’t excuse his diabolical & comical court mutterings either.
    Typical really & sadly exactly what we all expected, i’d wager.
    :)

    Another liverpool ‘keeper off?
    Eeeesh!

  35. 35
    avatar AndyMac says:

    “Anodyne” Jeez louise where did that come from ? Is this a first WT ? Well done CF for telling it almost like it was but I have to take issue with these comments.

    “Chuck says: Watched the HBA goal, can anyone tell me why this guy sat on the bench for most of the season.
    Cause i’m curious !”

    “CLiNT FLiCK says: Chuck, i’m gonna tell ya’ one more time mate, now listen up…He wasn’t ready, fully match fit or completely over his terrible injury & his comeback (in the states) injury. Now stop asking please, i’m not gonna tell ya’ again, that’s about 10 times now”

    So the fact that a fully fit HBA was overlooked on a regular basis by Pardwho had nothing to do with it ?

    http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Newcastle-s-Hatem-Ben-Arfa-I-don-t-like-Alan-Pardew-s-direct-football-article849109.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    Pardwho has just unearthed gold just as SBR did when he teamed Beardsley up with Lineker in the WC finals. 4-3-3 was waiting for HBA but Pardwho resisted as long as he possibly could.

    We went 4-4-2 because no one was prepared to take advantage of the space created when HBA was marked by two or sometimes three Bolton players. Yet he still managed to provide the spark to unlock Bolton. Just as he did at the Reebok in Novemeber yet sat on the bench again in the next match – replaced by the magical Obertan :)

    So please dont insult my and other poster’s intelligence !

  36. 36
    avatar chuck says:

    Soh ! seems Pardew has reached the same conclusion as SBR.
    When you get a Frenchman, that can do it all while attacking, why try to turn him into a defender ?
    Talking aboot SBR and Robert, Pardew and HBA.
    Apparently Pardew just tells him , go out there and do whatever you want, best tactical move he’s made so far.

  37. 37
    avatar GS says:

    Andy Mac:

    I am not Pardew’s biggest fan but I do think he deserves some credit.

    When discussing football a lot of people say “the table never lies”. Have you ever used that phrase? Does it not apply to Pardew?

    Even Ferguson makes plenty of mistakes, but he gets it right more often than not. I think Pardew makes more good decisions than bad, including substitions.

    I would suggest that you have a look at Pardew in this light and you might cut him a bit more slack.

  38. 38
    avatar CLiNT FLiCK says:

    Andy,

    i’ll take a compliment from that mate, ta!
    ;)

    jimbob,
    agree with what worky said man.
    Believe yourself first!
    :)
    I think it looked a mess first half ‘cos bolton were so desperate to pack to ‘D’ & frustrate, it was more than a little congested in there.
    After hearing o coyle’s analysis, i know he has to talk ‘em up n’all, i thought they’ve got problems if he thought their 10-15mins in the second half will save them from the drop. He called them dominant & excellent.
    They did well to keep us from scoring for 70 mins but i was more worried after we scored than before.

  39. 39
    avatar CLiNT FLiCK says:

    chuck,

    but HBA has added a defensive dimension to his game, he was there defending to set off Cabaye for the second & he’s turned defence into attack for goals recently too.

  40. 40
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    April 10, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    “When discussing football a lot of people say “the table never lies”.”

    Oh it can lie, GS, for a time anyway. It can even lie for a season sometimes*. However, when someone wins the league or few times, or get into Europe year after year, or even keeps his team much higher than it should be over several seasons, THAT’s when the table doesn’t lie.

    I’ve used this example several times before but does anyone remember Phil Brown in third? Phil Brown for England?

    * – I’d just like to point out that comment has nothing to do with Alan Pardew whatsoever.

  41. 41
    avatar chuck says:

    Well when Marveaux and Saylor are fit and we bring in Big Duggie and Pieters, perhaps Hoilett?
    Cabaye’s former RB buddy and Amalfitano and who knows who else.
    With young Ferguson begining to look the business, we might have some strength in depth and be up for a good run at some silverware in the coming season.

  42. 42
    avatar GS says:

    About HBA, when he was signed wasn’t he promised he would play through the middle? It is only since Cisse arrived that the experiment of playing Ben Arfa through the middle ended.

    So, Pardew takes a look at his personnel and adjusts the system to suit it. Ben Arfa is given a free role and looks like he was born to play it.

    I don’t know if that is luck or design.

    Maybe Pardiola has been influenced by Guardiola after he sees him playing his most creative player in a free role. Are you going to tell me that copying a playing system from the best team and manager in the world is a bad trait to have?

  43. 43
    avatar GS says:

    Worky @40 – just furthering the discussion mate. I like to use the old cliches and usually they have some truth which is why they are hard to categorically dispute.

  44. 44
    avatar Tripp says:

    Phil Broon fooled the table for about a third of the season was it? They did nowt after October IIRC and were luck to stay up, finishing w/34 pts. Pardew’s managed to do a bit more than that. For me the jury’s still out. I can see both sides on this one, but none of us have the best picture of the situation. We don’t see the players day in and day out on the training ground.

  45. 45
    avatar GS says:

    The 3rd string Liverpool keeper should have just been sent off.

  46. 46
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    April 10, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    “About HBA, when he was signed wasn’t he promised he would play through the middle? It is only since Cisse arrived that the experiment of playing Ben Arfa through the middle ended.

    So, Pardew takes a look at his personnel and adjusts the system to suit it. Ben Arfa is given a free role and looks like he was born to play it.

    I don’t know if that is luck or design.”

    I didn’t really get all that stuff, GS.

    When Pardew talked about playing Benny “through the middle,” that was supposed to be as a kind of free role playmaker between the midfield and attack. Now he’s put him back on the flank of a front three, which is more like the way he played in France, only then it was more on the left flank for the left footer, rather than the right one as now.

    I’m not sure about all this gossip about Benny, and lots of other things, though sometimes if bollocks is repeated often enough, it becomes accepted as the truth. Despite our success ATM, that’s one of the things I find most distasteful about Ashley and Llambias’ NUFC, the constant bollocks that is peddled.

  47. 47
    avatar Tripp says:

    That’s classic marketing, Worky, and these guys are bidnessmen (as they say in the southern US). Politicians know this fact quite well too. The human brain equates familiarity to truth if it’s uncertain.

  48. 48
    avatar workyticket says:

    Tripp says:
    April 10, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    “Phil Broon fooled the table for about a third of the season was it? They did nowt after October IIRC and were luck to stay up, finishing w/34 pts. Pardew’s managed to do a bit more than that.”

    OK then, Tripp, Steve Coppell. Seventh with Reading at the end of their first Premiership season – Relegated the season after. Then (ahem!) some gadgie called Alan Pardew at West Ham. Ninth and an FA Cup final on promotion, nearly relegated next until Pardew was sacked by the Icelandics after their worst run of defeats in over 70 years.

    I have more examples ’round the back BTW. ;-)

  49. 49
    avatar GS says:

    Worky:

    I think the jist of what I am saying is that we have the personnel to play Ben Arfa in a free role, when in the past he was shoe-horned in as a winger or a support striker even.

    Let’s see how long it lasts.

    Just so you know, I am not an expert tactician so I may not make total sense on occation. Hell, I might even agree with Chuck sometimes.

  50. 50
    avatar Tripp says:

    “I have more examples ’round the back BTW. ;-)”

    Then why lead with the worst one? Coppell is a much better example. Whatever happened to him anyways?

  51. 51
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    April 10, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    “when in the past he was shoe-horned in as a winger or a support striker even.”

    GS, he wasn’t “shoe-horned” into being a “support striker” as some kind of after thought. The Silver Supremo said he didn’t see Ben Arfa as a “winger,” he saw him as a “number 10″, and from the other things he said, I took it that he meant some kind if forward lying “trequartista” or “three-quarter” player between the midfield and the forward(s), which, with players like Benny IS often a very “free” role.

    Now, what a “winger” is in the UK is open to debate in some quarters, with some old fogies only thinking of touchline hugging cross machines as “true” wingers. Benny was thought of as a winger in France, when he was playing as a left sided forward in a 4-3-3, now, he’s been playing as a right sided forward in a 4-3-3 for the last few games. Some old fogies will say “that’s not a propa winga, like!”

  52. 52
    avatar workyticket says:

    Tripp says:
    April 10, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    “Then why lead with the worst one? Coppell is a much better example. Whatever happened to him anyways?”

    He’s at the club most well known for it’s cheeky Cockney rhyming slang connotation’s, Tripp, Bristol Titty.

    ps I think he’s still there, anyway?

  53. 53
    avatar Tripp says:

    Ha ha. Damn close to taking them down by the looks of it. I often wonder if it’s the players all “peaking” at the same time that decides the fate of these clubs. Hull’s team just fizzled faster than Reading. It will be really interesting to see how Norwich and Swansea fair next season.

  54. 54
    avatar GS says:

    Worky, is past is always prelude?

    I think we have the makings of a good team and I hope Pardew can carry it through. His history says otherwise, but maybe he is not as arrogant as he was in his earlier days and has leart a few lessons.

    What I like about him is that he doesn’t mess too much with a winning team.

  55. 55
    avatar workyticket says:

    Tripp, he is still there, apparently (just checked).

  56. 56
    avatar GS says:

    Tripp:

    I read earlier in The Guardian’s Fiver and it said he is Director of Football at Crawley Town, that it was his first day and they were surprised he hadn’t quit. This could be one of their “in” jokes, I don’t know.

  57. 57
    avatar GS says:

    Worky @51:

    I said I wasn’t up on the nuances of tactics, I am bit like Steve Bruce in that regard.

    At 49 I am probably an old fogie too. Ben Arfa doesn’t appear to be playing a “traditional” number 10 as he is being played on the right towards the middle and tracking back mainly on the right. So Pardew saying he is a number 10 is confusing to me.

    I see your points. Just glad it seems to be working for now.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    April 10, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    “Worky, is past is always prelude?”

    On a literary note, I beleive the original for that was the Bard’s “what’s past is prologue.”

    “His history says otherwise,”

    Gs, Charlton fans must be slack jawed in amazement at Newcastle United’s form under Pardew ATM :-)

    Perhaps it’s like Rinus Michels and Stefan Kovacs at Ajax. Hughton picked the team up from the floor, brought in Graham Carr etc, and now Pardew is reaping the benefits. As Chuck is fond of writing, what do I know anyway?

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    avatar CLiNT FLiCK says:

    Isn’t our system a bit more fluid than 433, 442, 451, 4321, 4231, more like an attempt to drill the players to adapt to the game play.
    I know, ‘total football’ or whatever, & i’m not saying that we’re the oranje or barca or whomever, more that that’s the general approach.
    We hear a lot about players that can play various positions, we’ve seen it too.
    Jonas, Raylor, Perch, Guthrie, HBA, Ferguson, Santon.
    Others we’re yet to see much of, Marveaux, Abeid, Vuckic, Kadar, tavernier.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    April 10, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    “I said I wasn’t up on the nuances of tactics, I am bit like Steve Bruce in that regard.

    At 49 I am probably an old fogie too. Ben Arfa doesn’t appear to be playing a “traditional” number 10 as he is being played on the right towards the middle and tracking back mainly on the right. So Pardew saying he is a number 10 is confusing to me.”

    :lol: very droll, GS.

    No, he was playing him as a “number 10″ (in quotes) in a 4-4-1-1, in the middle behind a main striker in what should have been a “free” role, but as I wrote, he’s now playing him as a right sided forward in a 4-3-3, which was how he was played most often in France, only on the opposite (left) side. He’s kept the 10 shirt though because it isn’t like it was in the old days when players were just handed a shirt which automatically denoted their position.

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky, my quote was close enough to pass on the meaning. If I was Joey Barton I would have looked it up on “quotes are us” first.

    Closer to home, it could be Dalglish picking up the Paisley/Fagan team and then lucking into Warner’s money and Shearer’s talent.

    If you ask me, Carroll is the best player he bought with all of that money and he is still the most likely to succeed.

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    avatar GS says:

    Walker? am I getting confused with the FIFA scandal?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    April 10, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    “Closer to home, it could be Dalglish picking up the Paisley/Fagan team and then lucking into Warner’s money and Shearer’s talent.”

    GS, Dalglish did actually have the Mackem Master himself, Bob Paisley, holding his hand when he was manager at Liverpool after Fagan.

    Praise the Lord that Paisley wasn’t manager of his home town club, Blunderland (He was from Hetton-le-Hurl, like). We still wouldn’t be hearing the end of it if they’d won three European Cups!

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky @63:

    I didn’t know that, thanks. It explains a lot.

    There was hardly any football coverage in the US in the 90s, no Fox Soccer, Gol TV and no internet streams.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    CLiNT FLiCK says:
    April 10, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    “Isn’t our system a bit more fluid than 433, 442, 451, 4321, 4231, more like an attempt to drill the players to adapt to the game play.
    I know, ‘total football’ or whatever, & i’m not saying that we’re the oranje or barca or whomever, more that that’s the general approach.”

    Not really, no.

    “Total Football” is a much misused term, Clint, though it could be said that the Cruyff “tiqui-taka” system played by Barcelona and Spain is a development of the Ajax system.

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    avatar CLiNT FLiCK says:

    worky,
    if i’d have left the term out someone woulda said: ‘you mean total football or whatever’.

    Try not to focus on that mate,concentrate more on the qualification terms like ‘attempt’, ‘general approach’ & such like.

    We’ve been here & wasn’t it invented in Crook, Co. Durham?

    :)

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    avatar GS says:

    Blogmeister fight, fight, fight.

    Where is Chuck to explain the origins and true meaning of Total football, and how putting Alan Pardew in the same sentence is an affront to God, Humanity and the memory of Jimmy Saville.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Rinus Michels’ “total football” Netherlands against Bobby Robson’s England in 1988, about the same time his protege, Johan Cruyff started developing the “tiqui taka” approach as manager of Barcelona.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK3RUt7BZWI

    Shame Ruud Gullit couldn’t quite get us playing like that with his so called “Sexy football” :-)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Ruud Gullit was right about “sexy” football though, just not his as a manager. I could almost “pitch a tent” watching football like that for 90 minutes.

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    avatar GS says:

    Change of subject.

    Centre Partin’ is the main pundit on Fox Soccer in the US. He has a grin from ear to ear when Newcastle win. He drops Newcastle into the conversation whenever he can.

    It is actually pretty funny because whenever Newcastle have a good result you can see the rest of the panel look over and wait for Warren to gush.

    They have Shaka Hislop on ESPN and he does the same thing.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Good lads, GS. Is that some of the reason why quite a few Yanks seem to have taken to supporting the Toon?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    April 10, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    “If you ask me, Carroll is the best player he bought with all of that money and he is still the most likely to succeed.”

    Well he got Liverpool a crucial win the neet, along with the much neglected Maxi Rodriguez. Which reminds me, time to update the predictions!

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky @71:

    I go to The Globe, a soccer bar up the street (1 of 2 in Chicago) to watch a few Newcastle matches. There are only about 2 or 3 American Toon fans in there per game.

    My main problem is that the matches are usually on at 7-9am and I don’t want to start drinking that early and it is hard to get friends to go then.

    It would be much easier to support Man U, because there are many Yank and UK fans there for their games.

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    avatar Tripp says:

    I started supporting NUFC in 2006, the season after Roeders 7 game run into Europe. Was always curious about Geordies and there was no way in hell I was supporting a top 4 side and being “one of those fans”. I prefer a more “authentic” experience and the last 6 year have certainly been just that.

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    avatar GS says:

    Ha Ha, AndyMac. I see you posted a comment in the Daily Mail about “Pardwho” in an article about Ben Arfa.

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    avatar chuck says:

    GS sez,
    Hell i might even agree with chuck sometimes!
    chuck sez,
    God forbid !

    GS
    Total Football ?
    There’s no such thing unless you are refering to the Dutch sides of the seventies.
    But there is a modern style played, even by EPL clubs.
    Fact is, in living memory there have been a number of manager/coaches, who have at some stage revolutionised the game.
    Earliest in my memory was the name, Jimmy Hogan, a Lankashire man, who’s career encompassed a number of British and continental sides.
    Who was given credit for introducing the revolutionary game to a Hungarian side that gave England an awfull beating at Wembley.
    Of course there were those who came before him and those that followed, from the Dutch sides of the seventies, to the present Managers of both Barcelona and Bilbao.
    Each adding his own particular tactical variations to the game.
    But to mention Pardew undrestanding and apeing Pep Guardiola’s tactics, is IMO an oxymoron.

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    2 things,

    GS Soz I cannot cut Pardwho slack because he’ll never readily admit that he’s “winging it” during his managerial season and the vast majority of the Toons success has come from a very talented and committed squad (which may be down to him and his management team) but has very rarely been down to his tactical plans or more importantly, change of plans during a game.

    WT says:

    “One thing I’ve noticed since Pardew’s 4-3-3 road to Damascus is how incredibly narrow we are in the middle (not saying it’s good or bad ATM, it just is). In our last few games, the middle three just seem to be hugging each other in the centre circle for much of the game with the full backs keeping a VERY high line. Should we start calling Alan Pardew “Alan Pardiola” yet? :-)”

    Clearly the answer to that is “no” but you probably know that the three midfielders in a 4-3-3 will normally play quite close together to give protection to the defence so they cannot be passed by the opposition.

    Having said that I was fortunate enough to be a guest of a client/friends company on Monday and it looked to me like 4-4-2 which is why HBA struggled yet Ba didnt improve ?

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    I post lots of things all over the place GS.

    http://www.eplindex.com/13598/swansea-city-newcastle-united-approaches-to-football.html#comment-4153

    Please tell me you’re not cyber stalking me ? :)

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    avatar GS says:

    AndyMac:

    Nah, not stalking you. Yours was the only reply to the article so I couldn’t miss it.

    The Daily Mail has decent football coverage even though they are so over the top.

    It is funny that they moralise so much and pretend to be Britain’s conscience and every “news” story has a Kardashian ass pic or is of a “bikini babe”.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    AndyMac says:
    April 11, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    “Clearly the answer to that is “no” but you probably know that the three midfielders in a 4-3-3 will normally play quite close together to give protection to the defence so they cannot be passed by the opposition.”

    Aye, Andy, like the apexes of three triangles in front of the back four, of course. But when I said they were “hugging each other in the centre circle, I was actually being quite literal! :-) They were all in front of the two centre backs rubbing shoulders, that’s what I meant by “narrow.” But as I also said, it wasn’t necessarily a “bad” thing as the left backs were bombing up the pitch alongside the midfield for much of the game and keeping a very high line too, which was part of the reason for my “Pardiola” crack.

    Aye, I noticed you dropping in the bit about the “Platinum Club,” were the prawn stotties nice?

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    Prawn stotties ???? I’m sorry but in the era of Sports Direct Stadium we were treated to “Volavonts” and “Satay skewers”.

    As for the Mail you’re right GS its a middle class “tits n bums” rag !

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    April 11, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    “GS
    Total Football ?
    There’s no such thing unless you are refering to the Dutch sides of the seventies.
    But there is a modern style played, even by EPL clubs.
    Fact is, in living memory there have been a number of manager/coaches, who have at some stage revolutionised the game.
    Earliest in my memory was the name, Jimmy Hogan, a Lankashire man, who’s career encompassed a number of British and continental sides.
    Who was given credit for introducing the revolutionary game to a Hungarian side that gave England an awfull beating at Wembley.”

    Rinus Michels’ European Championship winning side of 1988, Chuck. Gullit, van Basten etc – I linked to them above scoring an amazing goal against Bobby Robson’s England on their way to the title. Though as I wrote, it is a very highly overused term.

    Somewhat ironically, it was the Scottish school which gave the world flowing football and this was what characters like Jimmy Hogan took overseas. All the innovative English coaches were forced out overseas to all corners of the world, and their proteges eventually came back to make fools of us.

    As well as Hungary’s “Golden Team,” Argentina’s River Plate side of the late forties / early fifties were also influential.

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    Actually it was quite a pleasant 3 course meal with booze (which is a big plus) and as for the SD signs, they’re fecking everywhere :(

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    avatar workyticket says:

    AndyMac says:
    April 11, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    “As for the Mail you’re right GS its a middle class “tits n bums” rag !”

    If only it was, Andy. It’s far more sinister than that. It was as Nazi as “Der Angriff” during the war, and always gannin’ on about phony Jewish “refugees” coming over here and lying about being persecuted in Germany, Poland and such by that nice chap, Mr.Hitler. Lord Rothemere was a fascist and a big friend and admirer of Hitler and Mussolini.

    Not much has changed since then. :-)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Aye Andy, I had the Platinum experience once courtesy of John Carver. It was his last time here though, pre Ashley, canny booth, balcony, private bar, cushty!

    Nee SD signs.

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