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Why tomorrow’s Chemnitzer friendly may not be so friendly

Posted on July 12th, 2012 | 57 Comments |

Chemnitzer Fans.
Chemnitzer Fans.
Dear reader, I realise that I’m probably setting myself up for a fall with this piece.

Actually, I sincerely hope that I am, just as the BBCs “Panorama” programme did when they screened a documentary about racism in Polish and Ukrainian football on the eve of the recent European Championships. However, I feel that even if things do go well in the first of Newcastle United’s first pre season friendlies tomorrow evening against Saxon third division side, Chemnitzer FC, it was an extremely foolish decision to arrange it against a team with such an awful reputatiion for overt racism with it’s fans, and even it’s security staff (see below) with several black and / or Muslim players in the current Newcastle United side. One thing’s for sure, there certainly won’t be the same kind of policing that there was at the above mentioned European Championships when the game takes place.

Saxon lower league sides are one of the largest hotbeds of neo-nazi activity in the whole of football, and Chemnitzer FC are one of the worst. As you will see below, sometimes the behaviour of a very vocal and violent group of their fans can go far beyond the usual monkey chanting and so on. But first, here’s an extract from a 2010 report by the European Forum for Migration Studies (EFMS). On German lower league football in general, especially amateur sides such as Chemnitzer, they write:

“Experts unanimously agree that racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic incidents are more common in lower football leagues, i.e. in amateur sports, than they are in the upper (professional) football leagues. According to the sport sociologist Dembowski, “open racism in football in Germany has increasingly shifted towards the lower amateur leagues sincethe late 1990s”

On Chemnitzer FC in particular, it recounts some infamous incidents from the past involving Chemnitz fans. On a game in 2008 when the Turkish Berlin club, Türkiyemspor Berlin played Chemnitzer, the report states:

“During the fourth league football game between the migrant football club Türkiyemspor Berlin and the Chemnitzer FC in August 2008, a group of some 50 Chemnitz supporters yelled xenophobic and neo-Nazi slogans such as “Naziland Ostdeutschland”, “Berlin bleibt Deutsch” [Berlin remains German] and “Noo-Na-Ra”, which stands for a neo-Nazi group named “Hooligans, Nazis and Racists.”

On another more serious incident involving Chemnitzer, this time in a 2006 game against the heroic Hamburg anti-nazi club, St Pauli, who have perhaps done more than any other club in Germany to fight racism in football in recent times, it reported:

“The strong links between neo-Nazi, extreme right-wing groups and the football fan milieu are underscored by what happened prior and during the regional league (Regional-Liga)21 game between Chemnitz FC and the FC St. Pauli in April 2006. It is assumed that members of the informal right-wing group NS Boys (NS officially stands for “New Society”) were waving red flags with a white circle that resembled the Nazi flag of the Third Reich; only the swastika was missing. Some 200 persons in the Chemnitz block sang anti-Semitic and xenophobic chants (“we build a subway from St. Pauli to Auschwitz”, “we hate Turkey” and “Hoo-Na-Ra”). St. Pauli officials were called “Judensäue” (Jewish pigs). Prior to the game, several members of the NS Boys yelled right-wing extremist slogans (“Sieg Heil”) in Turkish hair dresser salons, and some 40 people in typically right-wing clothes who had been refused entrance at the stadium rampaged through the streets of St. Pauli shouting anti-Semitic (“Juda verrecke”) and xenophobic (“Türken raus”) slogans. As it turned out, the Chemnitzer FC cooperated at that time with two security services in the stadium – one of them run by the person who founded the neo-Nazi group Hoo-Na-Ra in the 1990s.”

Chemnitzer also employed a man called called Thomas Haller as a head of security even though he was a racist thug who had been jailed several times for football violence. In an interview for the Daily Mail newspaper in 2006, he told journalist, David Jones, that he “couldn’t stand” black players.

I will spare you from other examples though they do exist.

Now I don’t wish to tar all Chemnizer fans with the same brush, nor Saxons and East Germans in general. I’ve known some very nice Saxons who despise such things as racism, anti semitism, islamophobia and far right politics in general. However, whatever happens this evening, it was a foolish decision in the extreme to arrange this game in Chemnitzer’s own backyard bearing in mind their history with the kind of shameful incidents mentioned above.

Is it really respectful, or worth it to send our great African and Muslim players such as Hatem Ben Arfa, Demba Ba, Papiss Cisse, Cheick Tiote and Shola Ameobi, not to mention mere youngsters such as Mehdi Abeid and new kid, Gael Bigirimana, into that kind of hornet’s nest for the sake of a pre season friendly against amateur opposition? After all, they could have just gone to Darlo again and got much the same kind of test, or even better, arranged a German friendly with St Pauli instead.

I don’t think it is.

Apologies for this rant on the eve of the Magpies’ first game of the season, but I’m afraid I just couldn’t contain myself on this issue for the sake of the players I’ve mentioned above.

Chemnitzer FC vs Newcastle United, Stadion an der Gellertstraße, Chemnitz. Kick off: 6:30pm (local time). TV – None.

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57 Responses

  1. Article over the top. Unfortunately we still have racist half wits among our own fans. The Germans could not stop the British Army and they have no chance stopping The Toon Army.

  2. Gary says:
    July 12, 2012 at 8:42 am

    “Article over the top. Unfortunately we still have racist half wits among our own fans”

    Perhaps, Gary. But there’s no comparison whatsoever between some of the lower league teams in East Germany and the UK or even West Germany, none whatsoever. There are several reasons for it.

  3. I imagine an Escape to Victory scenario, where the Germans keep punching Pele (Cisse) in the gut, but he goes on to score a super slow mo bicycle kick regardless.

    Apparently the Daily Fail reckons we’re in the race for Junior Holliett. I do hope so, he’s Free (ish), 22, proven prem player, and easily fits a mould of 4-3-3.

  4. Very interesting piece. Hopefully it won’t be a problem, just as it wasn’t at the euros. Their club seems to be excited to be playing is so I’d imagine their fans would behave.
    On a side note, every time I come on hear I see that poll asking of sports direct should pay for the advertising. Now don’t get me wrong, the signs etc all round sjp sicken me, I really don’t like them, nor does anybody else, but haway guys they are paying for them. We owe Ashley like 80m or something, for that money he can put up some adverts, it is better than him demanding all that money now which would cripple our club. Just a thought.

  5. I just dont get it, racism is on the rise everywhere in the European continent, not only in Germany, but in the former Soviet Union and especially in their former satelite states.
    Former countries that fought against the nazi’s are now immitating them.
    Other countries includung the US are being subjected to a constant stream of Islamophobic nonsense, not to mention the usual anti black,brown, yellow phobias.
    And certainly anti semnitism is still the scapegoat it always was.
    At this time possibly more due to a fear of islamic emigration, which arouses fear and loathing in many western countries, causing anti islamic laws even governing how one can dress etc.
    One would think in this day and age these trend would be asmall minority of morons, controlled by those who play to their fears, but in fact racism and paranoia are on the rise.
    Why ?
    Naturally the global economic turndown, has had it’s effect, with those recently left unemployed looking for a scapegoat and finding it in immigrants doing the low level jobs they themselves were reluctant to do.
    Perhaps someone should inform them, it’s the Bankers and financial services people who are to blame for their plight, not to forget the politicians and top civil Servants, whom they own.

  6. Honestly, this is somewhat disappointing. Let’s see how the match goes first, eh?

    On the seeming commonality of expression of racist sentiment these days, I do think the blithe and accepted Islamophobia of today has a lot to do with it. The other day on this forum, I see the term “raghead” used and no one has any problem with it, while you’d get mod’ed for a simple curse word. How far to n—–/p— being “acceptable”?

  7. Be a shame to seen danny go, mainly cos he’s become a reliable starter – never misses a game – and saved a few beauties off the line last season.

    But going forward, he offers u close to nothing, which is not good enough in todays prem. plus he seems intent to move on…

    How can Reading afford his wages, and we cant?

  8. Not sure what Danny’s wage demands are but clearly it is a move motivated by money…Newcastle to Reading is hardly a big step up in my opinion.
    Never been a big fan to be honest not bothered if he stays or goes to be honest.

  9. Is there any club left in the Premier League now that doesn’t have a rich owner? Norwich, maybe?

    Milner, somebody said the other day that Reading are now owned by rich Russians or Nigerians or something. Oil money, no doubt.

  10. Where do you find these pictures Worky? The juxtaposition of the salute and the Karl Marx Stadt scarf is classic.

  11. GS says:

    “Where do you find these pictures Worky? The juxtaposition of the salute and the Karl Marx Stadt scarf is classic”

    Photoshop GS :)

  12. “I don’t want to raise unexpected expectations. I think our fans would honestly accept eighth, though I don’t think they’d want us to finish lower.”

    ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  13. Geordielad95 says:
    July 12, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    “On a side note, every time I come on hear I see that poll asking of sports direct should pay for the advertising. Now don’t get me wrong, the signs etc all round sjp sicken me, I really don’t like them, nor does anybody else, but haway guys they are paying for them. We owe Ashley like 80m or something”

    It’s £140 million, Geordielad. When Ashley bought the club, he paid around £134 million altogether and inherited £70 odd million of debt, and the mortgage on the ground also had to be paid once the club changed ownership, which to took it up to around £124 million. It’s his debt, not ours, but “we” will pay it back, not Ashley himself. That’s why he’s a billionaire :-)

  14. GS says:
    July 12, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    “Where do you find these pictures Worky? The juxtaposition of the salute and the Karl Marx Stadt scarf is classic.”

    Not telling. Chemnitzer’s name was changed to “Karl Marx Stadt” during the Communist period, then changed back in 1990. The name of the district surrounding Chemnitz was “Bezirk Karl-Marx-Stadt.” The most famous player from there was probably Michael Ballack. He joined tham as a 7 year old bairn.

  15. workyticket says:

    “It’s £140 million, Geordielad. When Ashley bought the club, he paid around £134 million altogether and inherited £70 odd million of debt, and the mortgage on the ground also had to be paid once the club changed ownership, which to took it up to around £124 million”

    Additional debt incurred due to relegation and whose fault was that ??????

    All £140m “debt” is down to Fatman and his cock ups yet as WY rightly says, we NUFC will eventually have to pay for that !!!!!!

    Thanks Fatman for being such a benevolent owner :roll:

  16. AndyMac says:
    July 12, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    “All £140m “debt” is down to Fatman and his cock ups yet as WY rightly says, we NUFC will eventually have to pay for that !!!!!!”

    Well, he inherited £124 million of debt, but he only paid £134 million for the club. IF the club had been debt free, he wouldn’t have got it for £134 million, but he is going to get it for £134 million. He’s also going to save on tax, get huge amounts of free publicity worldwide for his primary business interest, and make fans who don’t understand how modern business works feel grateful for it with clever PR, which is nice work if you can get it.

  17. Ballack did the Euro half time show here. Boring German doesn’t even describe him, comatose more like. He would have been the one to get up at 4am rather than 6am to get the sunbeds.

    And this is from somebody who lived in Germany and has German friends :)

  18. AndyMac says:
    July 12, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    “that’ll be WT !”

    I know I keep repeating myself, Andy, but people’s capacity to deceive themselves can be practically limitless, especially with a little help from Ashley and his PR Gurus.

    Have you ever wondered why we’re in such a financial mess ATM? Have you ever wondered why thousands of economic experts convinced themselves that currencies and economies of Germany and Scandinavia could be strapped together with those of Greece, Spain and Portugal without gannin’ tits up at some stage?

  19. Worky, you should read Ambrose Evans Pritchard in the Torygraph. He has been saying that stuff for years about the Euro.

    Me, Mr. know-it-all bought German stocks last week because I think they are cheap and will do OK.

  20. GS says:
    July 12, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    “Worky, you should read Ambrose Evans Pritchard in the Torygraph. He has been saying that stuff for years about the Euro.”

    So have I, GS, but there is a logic behind it. If Germany can strap the currencies of the siesta taking, wine glugging, olive munching states to it’s own, then it can sell shitloads of Mercs, BMWs, Porsches and VWs, which it has!

    One of the most popular cars in Greece is the Porsche Cayenne.

    I’m just using cars as an example, but Germany probably makes even more of it’s money in manafacturing from making the things which make the things if you know what I mean? Hi tech manufacturing equipment for engineering and such.

  21. On Germany’s three attempts at European unification, to say the the first two attempts ended in tears would be an understatement, and the third isn’t going too well so far.

  22. It is also pretty obvious. The Deutsche mark would have been a lot higher and the integration of east Germany would have been a lot harder.

    It is not rocket surgery.

  23. GS says:
    July 12, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    “Worky: i am not dumb, I bought a lot of Seimens for exactly the reasons you said.”

    When the economies started gannin’ tits up, cheap shite is usually where it’s at. If you’d invested in Sports Direct International in December, 2008 SDI shares were 32p, now they’re more like £3.

    People keep thinking that Newcastle United’s fortunes will follow the same path because Ashley is at the helm, but they won’t because Newcastle United is Sports Direct’s bitch.

  24. Worky mate, I bought Barclays at $2 and it went to $20. I bought Lehman’s at $5 thinking the US Government weren’t stupid enough to let it fail and they were.

    So it is not that easy. It is like the horses, it is easy to pick them, but wait until your own money is on the line :)

  25. Seems like most are ok with slotting in “player to be named later” all over our formation. Even at positions like FB, where quality is hard to find and tends to cost something. Remember going after Neil Taylor? Yep, I do too.

  26. GS says:
    July 12, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    “The economy seems pretty shite now so why is SD up to 3 quid?”

    That, my dear boy, is simple. When people are skint they buy cheap shite! ;-)

  27. Haven’t you heard, GS? The markets are fine. Which means the economy has recovered. At least that’s what we’re told over here.

    So what if peons can’t find a job?! Jamie Dimon’s portfolio is up like, 200%. Suck it, plebes!

  28. I mean, you said SD was down when the economy was shite and now it is up when the economy is shite :) make up your mind.

  29. GS says:
    July 12, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    “I mean, you said SD was down when the economy was shite and now it is up when the economy is shite :) make up your mind.”

    Up and down, it’s all been a boon to Ashley. He became a billionaire by floating off his shares at the height of the market, then he bought them all back from some very pissed off shareholders when they sunk to their nadir. Now they’re back up to ten times what they were, he talking about selling them again.

    The economy had just become shite back then in 2008. Then as people became poorer and poorer and went downmarket, the inexorable rise began.

  30. “People keep thinking that Newcastle United’s fortunes will follow the same path because Ashley is at the helm, but they won’t because Newcastle United is Sports Direct’s bitch”

    Wish I’d said that :lol:

  31. But, from what you said on here before he owns 71% of SD privately so the gyrations of the stock market mean not much to our mate Mike. He’s got his pile and he pays himself 24 mil in stock grants.

  32. GS says:
    July 12, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    “He’s got his pile and he pays himself 24 mil in stock grants.”

    People are so skint and desperate they’ll work on Sports Direct’s minimum wage zero hour contracts, buy their stuff from Sports Direct, and he’s given SDI many millions worth of free publicity through Newcastle United too. So obviously, he thoroughly deserves his “Super Stretch” bonus! :lol:

  33. I wish UTD111 would come back on because nobody should get mad about any back and forth on here. I don’t take offence at anything, even at Andymac :)

  34. Miracles can happen. I have been to Assisi and they had an earth quake the day before that wrecked the Cathedral and killed a few people. Where was God then?

  35. those of you saying that ashley is right to rename the stadium and place ads evrywhere
    do consider the fact that ashley made a bad financial decision in buying a club with a huge debt like nufc

    ever since he has been trying to recover his money

    have u ever heard of any organisation owing money to its owner

    when ashley brought the club the clubs debt became his own

    so i have a view that ashley should reduce that debt yearly in exchange for naming rights

  36. kunal says:

    “so i have a view that ashley should reduce that debt yearly in exchange for naming rights”

    Yeah good luck with that one kunal :lol:

    Cant accuse you of being another one of Fatman’s stooges !

  37. Flicking channels waiting for the bar to open. Why don’t they make good TV anymore like “Love Thy Neighbour”?

  38. That show must have been the worst show ever made :) Maybe not, I almost forgot about “Mind Your Language”.

  39. GS says:
    July 12, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    “Comedy???”

    I watched it as a bairn and it is very unfairly maligned by revisionists nowadays, most of whom have never actually watched it properly and talk out of their arse. It was actually anti racist and the exact opposite of what people say it was today. It’s primary message was that racism and bigotry was for fools and racial harmony was where it was at, as exemplified by the two wives who got on like a house on fire.

    It was an important programme in it’s day for breaking down stereotypes, much like Alf Garnett, the old bigot in “Till Death us do Part,” (copied in the ‘States as “Archie Bunker”) and the relationship between “Rigsby” and “Philip” in “Rising Damp” though the latter two were more well written and superbly performed. It was a product of it’s time and shallow fools don’t look beyond the racist terminology which was realistic at the time and tackled things head on, though of course, most of it is taboo nowadays.

  40. Worky: I always understood “’til Death us do part” , Johnny Speight was a great writer and Warren Mitchell was a great actor. I am not sure if “Love Thy neighbour” was anything other than a ripoff and a stereotype is sometimes still a stereotype even when it may help to break down racial barriers.

    You know if any of the shows you mention was made now there would be an outcry. Everything is so PC. But on the other hand wasn’t racism “normal” in the ’70s. There is a fine line between satire and racism and I might not be smart enough to know where it is drawn.

    Might want to get back to football :)

    The dog is off to the vet tomorrow. I know he has a heart problem because he was showing signs of that. They did a blood test though and said he has every ailment under the sun. I have to get it rechecked. They said he has an enlarged liver, possible pancreatitis, possible hyper-thyroidism, possible kidney disease, possible Cushing’s disease (I think that is the one where he has to hold a cross up to Christopher Lee and sprinkle holy water). Anyway, he can’t have all that because he was running around like a puppy last week.

    Thanks for the concern.

  41. I watch some of the old comedy stuff on You Tube. I know I am being an old fart but where are the equivalents of Tommy Cooper and Frankie Howerd now. I think Harry Enfield is as close as it gets.

    My brother showed me a DVD of Frankie Boyle telling me it was really funny, but I thought he was just a bullying tw@t.

  42. GS says:
    July 13, 2012 at 6:21 am

    “I watch some of the old comedy stuff on You Tube. I know I am being an old fart but where are the equivalents of Tommy Cooper and Frankie Howerd now. I think Harry Enfield is as close as it gets.”

    GS, it’s from a few years back now, but have you ever watched “Phoenix Nights” over there? It was very, very good indeed.

    Whole first series below, there was a second one too that’s on YouTube somewhere:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xkRSuAPDdw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VweKjwy-_mE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D629txmhZ6g
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoosJD-rlrQ
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaJ8gWlBhYM

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