Craven for a win! Fulham vs Newcastle United in depth match preview

Mohamed al Fayed with Michael Jackson sculpture.

Shamone! Eeeh heh!

Venue: Craven Cottage, London.
Date: 10th December 2012.
Kick off: 8:00pm.
Referee: Lee Mason.
UK TV: None.

After an much needed win and a much needed change in tactics in our last Premiership game against Wigan, we now find ourselves facing Fulham away, a team who despite a recent lack of form can be very tricky customers on their own turf.

History and recent form.

Fulham’s season has been a bit like our own, hence we find ourselves only separated by goal difference in the Premiership. It couldn’t have started better for Martin Jol with a 5-0 victory over his ex assistant Chris Hughton’s new Norwich side. Fast forwarding to today though, Fulham fans have had to endure seven Premiership games without a win now, the last one coming on 20th October against Aston Villa. Meanwhile, a 3-0 victory over 10 man Wigan helped to lift Newcastle United’s spirits last week, though that was the first victory in six Premiership games for the Magpies.

Premiership form this season (most recent first)
13th Fulham L|D|L|L|D|D|D|W|D|L|W|W|L|L|W 17 pts
14th Newcastle United W|L|L|L|L|D|W|D|L|D|W|D|D|L|W 17 pts

Moving on to previous encounters with the Cottagers (though not in the George Michael sense), you can see that we took a right old pasting in our last game at Craven Cottage, but more on that below. We haven’t had the best of times down there in general either. In our last six games at Craven Cottage with the home side, they have won five and we have won only once (back in 2007) with no draws.

Fulham v Newcastle United – Last six meetings at Craven Cottage
Date Competition Result
21/01/12 Premier League Fulham 5 (Murphy Pen 52, Dempsey 59, 65, 89, Zamora Pen 68), Newcastle United 2 (Guthrie 43, Ben Arfa 85)
02/02/11 Premier League Fulham 1 (Duff 67), Newcastle United 0
09/11/08 Premier League Fulham 2 (Johnson 23, Murphy Pen 66), Newcastle United 1 (Sh.Ameobi 57)
15/12/07 Premier League Fulham 0, Newcastle United 1 (Barton Pen 90)
03/02/07 Premier League Fulham 2 (Helguson 49, McBride 73), Newcastle United 1 (Martins 90)
14/01/06 Premier League Fulham 1 (Malbranque 75), Newcastle United 0

Tactics and suggested line-ups.


Jol is quite an attacking coach who seems to like alot of action coming in from the flanks, but his Fulham side can be a little vulnerable on the counter attack at present, and he has also struggled with the problem of creativity in midfield after the loss of some key players in that area. Firstly this was through players leaving the club, and secondly through an injury to one of Fulham’s current creative attacking threat, the attacking midfielder and forward, Brian Ruiz. One possible solution for Jol might use is moving creative forward Dimitar Berbatov back a bit behind a front striker in a 4-4-1-1 cum 4-2-3-1. It has been a common formation for Jol this season and using Berbatov behind another striker is something Jol himself has discussed, and done, in previous games this season.

Jol seems to have a better abilty to change games than Pardew if things get off to a bad start, as he showed to good effect when he turned things around in spectucular fashion in our last game with Fulham. We were certainly on top of things at half time against a very lacklustre Fulham, and we should have been leading by more than a single goal. The Fulham manager then introduced the muscle of Andrew Johnson to retake the midfield just before half time. It was the kind of masterstroke our own Silver Supremo never seems to manage if we go behind, and in the first half of the second half (if you know what I mean), the score proceeded to go from 0-1 to 4-1, eventually ending at 5-2 with Fulham seemingly were scoring at will until the game was out of reach for the visitors, and by the time the game was over, a Man of the Match performance from Clint Dempsey saw him taking the match ball home. Martin Jol himself explains what happened:

“The first half was a sort of Brixton, and the second half was a holiday in Jamaica,” said the Dutchman.

Fulham were indeed all over the place in that first half until he introduced the muscle of Johnson shortly before half-time. Fulham were taking a bit of a beating all over the pitch. But Jol continued:

“In the first half, we didn’t create anything. We had no runners from midfield. We couldn’t keep the ball, and when we played it up to Bobby [Zamora] we lost it. We couldn’t exploit the spaces in behind Williamson and Coloccini. So we couldn’t exploit our extra man in midfield. With Johnson, we solved that problem. If you’ve got more people trying to move off the ball, you’ve got more threat.”

Meanwhile, Pardew’s take on the same game was:

“Last year, we probably played our best half of football in the first half. Unfortunately, the second half was probably our worst, so we are hoping we don’t put in that Jekyll and Hyde performance that we did last year.”

Getting back to this game though, the return of Captain, Breda Hangeland from suspension in the heart of defence will undoubtedly be a big boost for the Cottagers. He’s their Coloccini and is a very important player for the side.

Fulham v Newcastle United siggested line-ups.

Fulham v Newcastle United siggested line-ups.

Newcastle United.

As for Newcastle’s approach to this game, well that could be a tricky one as Pardew certainly changed things around a bit in our last game against Wigan. I’ve knocked Pardew’s long balls on several occaisions since he joined the club, though by accident or design, they certainly weren’t very much in eveidence in that game as the table below illustrates. At the top I have placed my highest reading for long balls so far, which was a colossal 23.5% of all passes in the game against Southampton, which must be verging on some kind of long ball record. To put it in perspective it was far higher than Stoke’s average for last season. At the bottom however you can observe the much lower figure of 10.8%, which is very similar to Chelsea’s average for the season so far.

Pardew’s long balls getting shorter.
Team TP LB LB %
v Southampton 332 78 23.5%
v Wigan 471 51 10.8%
TP – Total Passes.
LB – Long Balls (over 25 yards).
LB % – % of passes which are long balls.
All stats by OPTA.

So, as I have criticised Pardew so much in the past, I must now give some credit where it is due. I don’t mean just for the stats but for the tactical approach to the game in general, which is what is important. However the teams started out at the kick off, the way they actually played was very interesting, ending up as something approching the 4-2-1-3 formation I have portrayed in the image above. Whatever Marveaux was supposed to be doing, in reality he operated mostly in the centre behind a (kind of) front three of Ba, flnked by Cisse on his right shoulder and here we come to the “kind of” bit as I think that Gutierrez was supposed to be the left hand player in the cosy threesome at the front, though in reality he dropped back quite a bit from the other pair.

So, there may be some element of wishful thinking in my suggested line up, but I do hope that Pardew gives it another go. What I certainly don’t wish is that he returns to the same old tactical approach as before if Ben Arfa is back in the team. I write this as he said he had to change things around in the first place due to the lack of the two “creatives,” Ben Arfa and Cabaye. However, he also suggested that he is having another go at playing Ben Arfa more centrally as a kind of “trequartista” type player just behind the strikers, so perhaps he will stick with the same approch as he did against Wigan after all. Though we won that game 3-0, of course, Wigan played much of the game with ten men after a very debatable incident which involed a penalty and a sending off for Wigan’s Figeroa. Hence, it would be good to see if Pardew’s new thinking works as well against a team with a full compliment of players. We shall see this evening!

Team news and squads.

Fulham FC.

Fulham defender and captain, Brede Hangeland, will be returning after serving out a three match suspension for a sending off against Blunderland. Midfielder Alexander Kačaniklić will also return to being in contention after recovering from a hamstring injury. However, midfielder and forward, Brian Ruiz (the man Ashley allegedly tried to panic buy for £10 million just after the Carroll sale), will be out for another month or so with his hamstring. Finally, on loan defender and midfielder Sascha Riether will be a doubt with a minor knee sprain.

Fulham FC: Mark Schwarzer (G), Neil Etheridge (G), Csaba Somogyi (G), Stephen Kelly (D), Brede Hangeland (D), Aaron Hughes (D), Philippe Senderos (D), John Arne Riise (D), Chris Baird (D), Sascha Riether (D, M), Kieran Richardson (M, D), Steve Sidwell (M), Ashkan Dejagah (M), Mahamadou Diarra (M), Giorgos Karagounis (M), Alexander Kačaniklić (M), Pajtim Kasami (M), Damien Duff (M), Simon Davies (M), Mickaël Tavares (M), Hugo Rodallega (F), Mladen Petrić (F), Dimitar Berbatov (F).

Injured: Bryan Ruiz (Hamstring),

Doubtful: Sascha Riether (Knee sprain).

Suspended: None.

Newcastle United.

Well the main news from the Newcastle side is that Benny is almost certainly back, though there does seem to be a very slight uncertainty which is why I’ve put him on the “doubtful” list, though he should be fine. Gabriel Obertan will also return to be in contention for a place, with Pardew recently waxing lyrical about what he brongs to the team and how much he has been missed. As for the usual entries on the injury list, they have been included below.

Newcastle United: Tim Krul (G), Steve Harper (G), Rob Elliot (G), Danny Simpson (D), Davide Santon (D), Fabricio Coloccini (D), Mike Williamson (D), James Tavernier (D), James Perch (D, M), Vurnon Anita (M, D), Shane Ferguson (M, D), Cheick Tiote (M), Jonas Gutierrez (M), Gabriel Obertan (M), Sylvain Marveaux (M), Gael Bigirimana (M), Hatem Ben Arfa (M, F), Sammy Ameobi (M, F), Demba Ba (F), Papiss Cisse (F), Shola Ameobi (F), Nile Ranger (F).

Injured: Yohan Cabaye (groin), Steven Taylor (hamstring), Ryan Taylor, Haris Vuckic and Dan Gosling, (all knee).

Doubtful: Hatem Ben Arfa (hamstring).

Suspended: None.


I suppose that the big question before the match is if Pardew will persevere with his new approach. Whatever Martin Jol has up his sleeve for this evening, I really hope that he does rather returning to his old bad habits.

Howay the Lads!


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179 Responses to “Craven for a win! Fulham vs Newcastle United in depth match preview”

  1. 1
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    craven cottage is another dodgy ground for us, in recent times, and they are a match for anyone, if they are on song.
    we got battered last season, but they are on a bad run themselves.
    although newcasle united have always been a sacrificial lamb, for starting clubs off on a run, after a barren one.

    i think we have to start the game well, if we are to get anything out of it.
    if we gift them possession like we normally do, they have players, who will put us to the sword.
    i’m going to have to sit on the fence, for this game, as i haven’t an inkling of how it might go.
    all i know for definate, it will be carling premium time, in the city.

  2. 2
    avatar GS says:

    Good write up Worky, as usual.

    I wish I was a Man U fan where I could look forward to a game with an expectation of winning. I am looking forward to our game with trepidation, but looking forward to it nonetheless.

  3. 3
    avatar tunyc says:

    This fixture last season was the perfect encapsulation of AP’s limitations…our players played the same ways both halves-Jol changed their approach and went from ascendant to looking like a bunch of a$$holes. Same players-not their fault, clearly the tactics. Let’s see if homeboy has learned anything…

  4. 4
    avatar tunyc says:

    GS-I sure hope we can get a win tonight because upcoming fixtures…the less said the better!

  5. 5
    avatar GS says:

    Tunyc: Clint had a stormer in that second half but we were so well on top in the first half I don’t know what Pardew could have said in the dressing room to change the game so much …

    sit back, defend the lead, take it easy, have a joint?

  6. 6
    avatar stewpot says:

    my head says 3-1 to them my heart says 3-1 to us.

    as has been the case throughout pardew’s tenure, it’ll be more about individuals playing to their potential as opposed to his tactic.

    last season’s game was a masterclass in what pardew’s all about, i hope tonight isn’t a repeat.

  7. 7
    avatar GS says:

    I am watching Sky Sports and Trevor Brooking (Sir?) looks like a Zombie.

  8. 8
    avatar Nutmag says:

    I see the “Comical”is saying Pardew has the team training in secret because his tactics have been leaked.Oh goody we are going to have some tactics!

  9. 9
    avatar sandybaz says:

    Cant see past another thumping by fulham.Feel sorry for the folks who have gone down for the game I have to listen to it at work.

  10. 10
    avatar tunyc says:

    GS: it wasn’t what AP said. It was that Jol brought on Johnson and gave him the freedom to run in behind our CBs-Colo & Willo on that day, neither of whom will ever catch little Andy. Dempsey fed off his scraps, what Clint does best. (Berbatov is at least as good as him though.) Also, they made a tactical change to put Baird in the middle after Ruiz was there for a minute during the first half when we were overrunning them. No coincidence: since then Baird has been a revelation for them at CDM. I bet he starts tonight. Perfect player to stem our counters.

    AP better bring some tactics this time. No points tonight and our upcoming matches look even more bleak.

  11. 11
    avatar GS says:

    tunyc: I have said it before on here. I am not the greatest at figuring out tactics. What I saw in that game was that we were good in the first half and sh*t in the second half.

    Good explanation from you, ‘coz I would never have figured it out by myself, no really – really, I am not good at tactics.

    But, tunyc we have better players than them so we still stand a chance.

  12. 12
    avatar stewpot says:


    the amount of times i’ve sat at sjp watching us dominate a team and then, imperceptibly the shape of the game changes and we’re no longer in the ascendancy.

    i’m like you, i don’t always see what slight of hand the opposition manager has pulled off but it’s affect on the game is usually clearly evident.

    managers are paid a lot of money to make these decisions during the game. to react when their system isn’t working, to counter when the opposition’s is.

    pardew does neither, hence the damning statistic of never having come from behind to win under his management.

    furthermore, his tendency to repeatedly adjust a positive formation to a negative one when we have a lead is every bit as frustrating.

  13. 13
    avatar GS says:

    Aaarhh: the British Press. They vilify these two Aussie radio people.

  14. 14
    avatar Free Scoring Smudge says:

    Fulham have had a frustrating season, like us, but I think that they’re problems are the opposite. I’ve watched them play 3 or 4 times, and they often play wonderful attacking football coupled with horrific defending. Hangeland is a titan but seems to have lost concentration at times this year. When they play Berbatov and Ruiz together, the problem is exacerbated b/c they have at least two passengers defensively.

  15. 15
    avatar GS says:

    So Worky: I have to order Sandinista because I didn’t listen to it when I was young. I thought I would get the “latest and greatest” new music but why not get better stuff that I haven’t heard?

    I got the “Grammy” album last year to see what I was missing and realised – fuckin’ nowt.

  16. 16
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: you said my comment is awaiting moderation. I don’t do anything in moderation :)

  17. 17
    avatar GS says:

    Ordered it, Sandanista cost $13. I got my own personal Michael Jackson plastic statue as a free gift – life size.

  18. 18
    avatar GS says:

    FFS: this is pretty funny, that they complain about being called fat and then want a free meal:–abc-news-topstories.html

  19. 19
    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    Hope we hoof it loads tonight :lol:

  20. 20
    avatar workyticket says:

    There will be a match banter coming up in a few minutes but I’m running a bit late this evening.

  21. 21
    avatar tunyc says:

    All that said, I think I would have started Perch at CB tonight. Had the thought while getting a coffee on lunch. Willo & Colo are a slow pair, make no mistake. Rodallega & Berba are going to do their best impression of Johnson & Dempsey from last season.

    From the squad, though, it looks like we may start 4-3-3…oh please let it be true…

  22. 22
    avatar Phisix says:

    COME ON!

  23. 23
    avatar Phisix says:

    Fulham are awesome. How are they so low down in the league?

  24. 24
    avatar Phisix says:

    And they score. Our balance is restored. :S

  25. 25
    avatar Jimbob says:

    If you don’t laugh you’ll cry.

  26. 26
    avatar Phisix says:

    And Colo nearly made it 2-0 to Fulham.

  27. 27
    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    Need to hoof it higher and harder !!!!

  28. 28
    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    Last comment moderated only said hoof

  29. 29
    avatar tunyc says:

    Sounds pretty bad.

  30. 30
    avatar Phisix says:

    Usual standard Pardew play.

    Simpson going to get sent off soon. Williamson as useful as a chocolate fire guard.

  31. 31
    avatar workyticket says:

    Sorry about the lack of a match banter lads. I wrote one, I was just about to post it, then my Broadband cut out again seconds before I did!

  32. 32
    avatar tunyc says:

    C’mon lads-pull it out…and ignore AP…go on, try it!

    Outpossessed 64-36% so far.

  33. 33
    avatar Phisix says:

    Our supporters keep shouting shoot when we are close to the goal and we waste an attack. This game has already raise my blood rate up ten fold.

  34. 34
    avatar tunyc says:

    No worries, worky. We know you do your best.

  35. 35
    avatar Jimbob says:

    It’s like we’re playing Barcelona Tunyc.

  36. 36
    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    No worries Worky

  37. 37
    avatar tunyc says:

    Doubling us up on shots too, and they’ve had the games only 2 corners. (Not that it matters, we never score from corners.)

  38. 38
    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    We had a shot on target yet?
    Sounds dull as dishwater.

  39. 39
    avatar workyticket says:

    I missed the first part of the game. What was it like?

  40. 40
    avatar Jimbob says:

    We,ve gone 4-4-2. We’ll win now.

  41. 41
    avatar tunyc says:

    What’s our record under AP after going down a goal?

  42. 42
    avatar Jimbob says:

    One of the line. Yeah we’re screwed.

  43. 43
    avatar tunyc says:

    NOW, we’ve gone 4-4-2?!

    They’re gonna end up with 90% possession.

  44. 44
    avatar Phisix says:

    Are we playing 4-4-2 now? Benny has move sides..

    We are hanging on..

  45. 45
    avatar danny b says:

    we are Shiite have been all season I’m going get pissed up sod this

  46. 46
    avatar Phisix says:

    Colo nearly redeeming us.

  47. 47
    avatar Phisix says:


  48. 48
    avatar Phisix says:


  49. 49
    avatar Phisix says:

    Benny getting annoyed with Cisse isnt any good.

  50. 50
    avatar sammy d says:

    this games not too important anyway as we have got four easy games coming up!

  51. 51
    avatar Phisix says:

    Krul cannot kick for toffee. He needs to stop it.

  52. 52
    avatar Phisix says:

    Jonas and Cisse off.

  53. 53
    avatar tunyc says:

    I hear you sammy-and that QPR game, that definitely doesn’t have TRAP! written all over it…

  54. 54
    avatar Phisix says:

    Sidwell you dirty ginger rat!

  55. 55
    avatar Jimbob says:

    Pardew’s probably thinking when should he put Ameobi on.

  56. 56
    avatar Phisix says:

    And now my stream goes down. Another great football day!

    Oh yes, because Ameobi can save the day.

  57. 57
    avatar workyticket says:

    Phisix says:
    December 10, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    “And now my stream goes down. Another great football day!”

    Phisix, the “Sports HD” one on wiziwig is very good if you have the Sopcast player?

  58. 58
    avatar Phisix says:

    So it seems that the Wigan win did indeed paper over the cracks. If we cannot sort this out for the second half we are in serious trouble.

  59. 59
    avatar workyticket says:

    To be fair, we haven’t been absolutely awful since I tuned in, though I’ve heard the 20 minute bit I missed wasn’t very good?

  60. 60
    avatar workyticket says:

    Oh FFS where’s me stream gone?

  61. 61
    avatar tunyc says:

    Sounds same as ever, worky. We spotted them 20 minutes and a goal. It wouldn’t be so bad, but see my comment at #41…

  62. 62
    avatar Jimbob says:

    We will win. We will score from a set piece and a corner. Simpson will swing in a delightful cross and Jonas will finish it with style. 3-1.

  63. 63
    avatar sammy d says:

    jimbob lay off the pills

  64. 64
    avatar sammy d says:

    at the start of the game I went on match banter and put a comment on,I thought it was busy,over 100 comments before the match,then I realised it was last seasons what a knob!

  65. 65
    avatar Phisix says:

    Haha class.

  66. 66
    avatar workyticket says:

    sammy d says:
    December 10, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    “at the start of the game I went on match banter and put a comment on,I thought it was busy,over 100 comments before the match,then I realised it was last seasons what a knob!”

    Aye sorry there wasn’t a new one sammy d. I did do one then then I went offline just as I was posting it. I didn’t get back on until about 15-20 minutes into the game and it was too late.

  67. 67
    avatar workyticket says:

    Almost a Bulgarian bombshell there.

  68. 68
    avatar Phisix says:

    We are actually playing much better now.

  69. 69
    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    Go On!!

  70. 70
    avatar Phisix says:


  71. 71
    avatar sammy d says:


  72. 72
    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    Worky my comments keep being moderated and I
    Ain’t swearing either.

  73. 73
    avatar Phisix says:

    Come on we are due a goal from a corner!

  74. 74
    avatar workyticket says:

    sirjasontoon says:
    December 10, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    “Worky my comments keep being moderated and I
    Ain’t swearing either.”

    I’ll be looking into it when my toast is done SJT!

    Sorry about that.

  75. 75
    avatar Phisix says:

    Simpson and his hoofing is starting to really……

  76. 76
    avatar sammy d says:

    that was proper gready from ba when he had benny free

  77. 77
    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    No Worrys Worky.

  78. 78
    avatar Phisix says:

    Santon & Benny <3

  79. 79
    avatar workyticket says:

    sirjasontoon says:
    December 10, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    “No Worrys Worky.”

    Right, I’m going in there now SJT!

  80. 80
    avatar Phisix says:

    Krul savin our bacon: Entry 9990

  81. 81
    avatar Phisix says:

    And back to reality.

  82. 82
    avatar sammy d says:

    what was williamson doing?

  83. 83
    avatar workyticket says:

    SJT, your little problem should clear up now.

  84. 84
    avatar Phisix says:

    What did I witniss

  85. 85
    avatar Phisix says:

    How did he miss!!!

  86. 86
    avatar workyticket says:

    What a gay day it’s been.

  87. 87
    avatar Phisix says:

    Shola…thats all we need. WTF for Benny!!??

  88. 88
    avatar sammy d says:


  89. 89
    avatar tunyc says:

    totally gay

  90. 90
    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    Cheers Worky.

  91. 91
    avatar workyticket says:

    SJT, let me know how you get on but as I wrote earlier, you should be fixed now.

  92. 92
    avatar Phisix says:

    OMG COLO! So close.

  93. 93
    avatar tunyc says:

    You’re shitting me? He’s taking HBA off?

    Giggidy-giggidy-game over.

  94. 94
    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    Turning into a Toss season this like.
    Partridge OOT!!!

  95. 95
    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    Seems to be working now

  96. 96
    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    December 10, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    “totally gay”

    tunyc, you probably haven’t heard of Larry Grayson over there, which is probably for the best!

  97. 97
    avatar Phisix says:

    I don’t know if Pards is being serious in his selections or he is just taking the piss now?

  98. 98
    avatar tunyc says:

    Someone better f’ing ask AP what, exactly, was the idea when he took off HBA.

  99. 99
    avatar sammy d says:

    the question should be WTF!

  100. 100
    avatar Phisix says:

    Can Jonas ever not lose the ball. :S

    So frustrated right now it hurts.

  101. 101
    avatar tunyc says:

    What’s that feeling?

    Oh right-impending doom.

    Prove me wrong, lads.

  102. 102
    avatar Jimbob says:

    Alan Parry’s awful. He said earlier one of the reasons Cisse hasn’t scored many this season is because he’s been playing on the right. He then says the left footed Santon could take the free kick, and was surprised he hit it with his right.

    Oh and we’re awful too.

  103. 103
    avatar Phisix says:

    Marv for Jonas would be a good idea right about now.

  104. 104
    avatar workyticket says:

    “Route one stuff basically now from Newcastle” sez the commentator.

  105. 105
    avatar Phisix says:

    Alan Parry. :D

  106. 106
    avatar tunyc says:

    AP listed sixth by the books for next manager to be canned…tied with a couple others…guessing there’ll be some distance between them if this result holds up.

    I also can’t see us topping 41 points on the season if that’s the case.

  107. 107
    avatar tunyc says:

    80+ minutes into this performance and the only player AP has seen to take off is…HBA.

  108. 108
    avatar Phisix says:

    He should be first in line tbh.

  109. 109
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: Grayson’s act was Jack Benny with a bit more gay.

  110. 110
    avatar tunyc says:

    “seen fit”

  111. 111
    avatar Jimbob says:

    Pardew looks as though he knows he’s getting replaced my Ron Atkinson tomorrow.

  112. 112
    avatar tunyc says:

    Phisix-only ones ahead of him are obvious candidates: MON, Adkins, McDermott and those in an odd situation: Mancini and Benitez. Really he’s fourth after the relegation zone occupants with a couple of ?’s over Benitez & Mancini…

  113. 113
    avatar Phisix says:

    Tiote off but he leaves Jonas on!? WTF man are they fudging batty boy lovers or something???

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    avatar Phisix says:

    Mancini out of a job then us signing him would be better than pards, tunyc.

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    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    Kinnear is on his way!!

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    avatar canadaTOON says:

    Jonas has been so poor. Try not falling over maybe?

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    avatar sammy d says:

    relegation battle well and truly on

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    avatar Phisix says:

    Anything is better than the silver haired mouth piece at the moment. 4 minutes to go lads then relegation better.

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    avatar Jimbob says:

    Kinnear’s on speed dial.

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    avatar Phisix says:


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    avatar Jimbob says:

    Ian Dowie this is an SOS…

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    avatar Phisix says:


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    avatar Phisix says:

    Bring back Roeder!!

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    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    Souness on his way !!!

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    avatar Phisix says:


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    avatar Phisix says:

    The look in Pards eyes. He knows he is about to lose his job.

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    avatar Jimbob says:

    Bring back Gullit and the sexy football.

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    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    Joe Kinnears Lime Green and Burgundy Army!!!

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    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    Good Call Gullitt haha

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    avatar Jimbob says:

    Phisix, every time the camera was on him I thought that. And as it stayed on him as he walked off the pitch. It does looks as though he knows ‘Big Ron’ is lurking behind him.

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    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    Terry Vegetables is packing his sheepskin!!

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    avatar Phisix says:

    Indeed, Jimbob. I just cannot see Fatty sticking with him any longer, and this is before us fans start getting vocal with it.

    Any takers for his after game speech?

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    avatar Jimbob says:

    Oh it’s our worst away run in 27 years. Pardew has a habit of doing that. Think he took West Ham on their worst run then got sacked.

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    avatar Jimbob says:

    Venables was a very good tactician. Oh we could possibly have Bryan Robson and Terry Venables.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    This goes one of three ways:

    1.) Fantasy scenario: take points off City, Chelsea, Arsenal & Everton. Don’t get immediately knocked out of the cup. Everyone’s (relatively) happy. We go on to a midtable finish.

    2.) Results go the way the bookies guess. We could be looking at as few as 18 points from 20/21 games. AP is fired. We are sated for a moment. Maybe the team experiences a bump. We may or may not avoid relegation.

    3.) Results go bad and AshleyCo sticks by AP. An atmosphere similar to at Blackburn under Kean toward the end delevlops. I can’t see us staying up in that scenario.

    I have a horrible, horrible feeling about this season right now.

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    avatar Phisix says:

    We should have cloned SBR and KK together when we had the chance.

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    avatar Jimbob says:

    Actually seeing how we have a very continental team we should look abroad. Egil Olsen would be perfect.

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    avatar Phisix says:

    Gary Nevile just said Tiote is one of the best DM in the league. Riiiight.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    Or Skolsjaer (sp?), Jimbob.

    But again-the problem with NUFC and managers w/self respect right now.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    8th most likely to be relegated according to the books.

    Again, feeling we’ll move up that chart.

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    avatar Jimbob says:

    Egil Olsen was awful Tunyc. I’m taking the piss. Anyone with any self respect won’t come here. Solskjear would be nice but won’t happen.

    Probably give it to John Carver if they boot him.

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    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    Giving Partridge an 8 year deal was totally laughable….

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    avatar Jimbob says:

    I thought they extended Pardew’s contract for a further 5 years on top of the 8 year one after the Wigan win?

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    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    Something like that JB haha

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    avatar workyticket says:

    “We ‘ad the game by by scruff of the neck” sez Pardew adding, “But unfortunately you don’t get points for performances.”

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Match highlights are up now.

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    avatar Sammy J says:

    Tiote was dreadful…like he’s blind when he went to pass maybe some Edgar Davids glasses required, Williamson…well he is what he is, Anita doesn’t look strong enough, santon had a mare Jonas looks like he is having an identity crisis if he even gets near the ball, Simpson seemed to be aiming for the first defender, Cisse looked lost, Ba was kept quiet, Colo did ok, & Benny wasn’t match fit but was easily our best player!

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    avatar stewpot says:

    evening people.

    shit result, better performance than i expected but that isn’t saying much.

    tiote has lost it big style. colo and willo were erratic again.

    glad he took benny off as he was clearly tiring but wtf bringing ameobi on. besides the odd goal against the mackems he has stolen a living from us for far too long. we couldn’t give him away a couple of seasons ago and i’m not surprised, useless.

    and then to bring marv and bigi with 5 minutes left?!

    pardew, i’m looking at you again…

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky: who was that guy in Dad’s army that said “doomed, doomed, I say” I cant remember, but it might be appropriate given our current situation.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 10, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    “Worky: who was that guy in Dad’s army that said “doomed, doomed, I say” I cant remember, but it might be appropriate given our current situation.”

    John Laurie aka “Private Fraser”.

    What about Corporal Jones though? “DON’T PANIC! DON’T PANIC!”

    Pardew said in his post match interview that “we can beat anybody.”

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky: I think Clive Dunn was younger than both of us are now when he did that “Grandad” song :)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 11, 2012 at 12:11 am

    “Worky: I think Clive Dunn was younger than both of us are now when he did that “Grandad” song”

    He’s only just died very recently GS. He was in his 90s I think?

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky: I just played a Dad’s Army thing on Youtube, and nah, he was older then than I am now.

    So, as usual I am wrong about something :)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS, It’s Ian Lavender I feel sorry for. He’s in his sixties now but he’ll always be a “stupid boy.”

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    avatar workyticket says:

    stewpot says:
    December 10, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    “glad he took benny off as he was clearly tiring but wtf bringing ameobi on. besides the odd goal against the mackems he has stolen a living from us for far too long. we couldn’t give him away a couple of seasons ago and i’m not surprised, useless.”

    I don’t quite agree about Ameobi, stewpot, but it’s fairly academic anyway as none of the strikers were getting any real service. I thought Cisse was the one who had the poorest game overall, though I did miss the first 20 minutes or so thanks to Richard friggin’ Branson (again). I wonder if his Broadband keeps going tits up constantly?

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    avatar GS says:

    But??? Do you think we will get anybody in January and will they make a difference? I am betwixt and between, hither and thither, from post to pillar whether I want us to lose to get Pardew out or whether I just want us to win because I support NUFC.

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    avatar canadaTOON says:

    Ba and Cisse can’t play together – they constantly make the same run and get in each others way. HBA easily our best player, in my eyes Jonas was the worst (and one of my shirts from a few years back has his name on it). He doesn’t have the legs to get by anyone anymore. I mean look at Santon, everyone knows he’s going to cut it back onto his right, but his pace is enough that he beats the player and does it anyways. Jonas is just always looking for the foul.

    Team lacks ideas and imagination today. Commentator on the stream I was watching had it right, without HBA we go direct, route one football. Even referenced the fact that Pardew denies it, but say what you want, last 5 minutes was hoof ball to be sure.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 11, 2012 at 12:39 am

    “But??? Do you think we will get anybody in January and will they make a difference?”

    GS, of course, a side always wants better players. Outside the top six though, we should have the best side already.

    What about clubs like Swansea and Norwich? They were 11th and 12th last season, and are 8th and 12th currently. They only spend a fraction of what we do on players and they get injuries just like we do too. So if we need better players, what about them and all the other teams who aren’t ManU, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham or Liverpool?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    canadaTOON says:
    December 11, 2012 at 12:56 am

    “Team lacks ideas and imagination today. Commentator on the stream I was watching had it right, without HBA we go direct, route one football. Even referenced the fact that Pardew denies it, but say what you want, last 5 minutes was hoof ball to be sure.”

    “Alan Pardew will tell you that he tries to play good football – That’s rubbish, he plays long ball football. It’s very direct, there is no creativity in midfield, he just wants to play route one football. Every time I’ve seen his teams play, they play that way but he’ll say in the Press ‘we play good football.’ At times he can be a conman.” – Stewart Robson when Pardew was appointed manager.

    Canada, I tried to tell people from the time Pardew was appointed but they wouldn’t listen and I just got abuse for it. I was also told that Hughton was the long ball manager and that Pardew was making us more like Barcelona. That’s why I coined the term “Pardiola” for him. Some people even took it seriously! :-)

    On the subject of playing long balls without Benny though, about the only time we haven’t been a long ball team this season was the last Premiership game against Wigan, and that was without Benny. Of course though, we were playing against 10 for nearly all of that game.

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky man, man. If you say Pardiola most people who come on here casually (you know, like in jeans and t-shirts) wont understand your humour.

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    avatar stewpot says:


    sorry i was still angry earlier and admit i broke one of my own no-nos by picking on an individual.

    i think the fact that shola has never been a first choice under 8 managers says it all. perhaps a decent sub when he had a bit of pace but that deserted him years ago.

    i was more frustrated that again, pardew’s plan b was to lob on the big lad and lump it up to the front 3. we were still in the contest and had he given marv the chance to reprise his role against wigan we may have had a bit more luck.

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    avatar stewpot says:


    did you really start the pardiola thing? if so kudos mate.

    it makes it funnier that people still use it in all seriousness not realising it was ironic?

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    avatar GS says:

    GS/Me @160: I have spent a year trying to figure out Chuck and I still haven’t.

    That man is an enigma, wrapped in an enigma machine, put in a space ship and sent to the moon.

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    avatar hoosiertoon says:

    The negativity on here, while understandable, is taking it a bit far occasionally. I agree, losing is bad, especially against a team that wasn’t playing very well coming into the game. Colo and Williamson were all over the place. My opinion of Willo is the same since we bought him, too damn slow, always out of position, etc. And Tiote seems to look completely disinterested.

    However, to say the entire team had bad games is shocking. Whoever said something negative about Anita, he played a great game today I thought. Simpson had a good game apart from failing on some of his crosses. Santon was as solid as ever(needs to play on the right). Jonas didn’t have a bad game, though I think he’s proven other than today that he is past it this season. Ba got into great positions, and Cisse was fine once he switched into the middle. The link up between Ba, Cisse and Ben Arfa(not in that order) was good today. Ben Arfa was a monster all game. Not to mention Krul was outstanding.

    The real troubling thing is our Central Defenders. But that is nothing new..why we didn’t get anyone in at that position this offseason is completely beyond me. Even Colo has looked pretty poor at times this season, and he has no competition at all for his spot.

    Taking Benny off was hard to understand, albeit he wasn’t fully fit(supposedly). But putting on Strolla was far, far worse. I don’t undertstand why people think he is productive or worth a damn. He has one game, every once in a very long while, where is productive. The rest of the time I am taken back at how truly awful he is. To see him come on, for 15 minutes and walk more than half that time makes me so angry. I would banish him from first team if I was manager. The worst part about it is that you know the hoof ball is inevitable when he comes on, because he can’t do anything else the least bit well.

    Pardew is in trouble, unless he changes things fast. Generally, in all aspects of life, when something doesn’t work the first 20 times you do something, you would change it. Apparently he hasn’t learned this though, in regards to playing style.

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    avatar GS says:

    Stewpot @162: I think he did start the Pardiola thing. Worky has his moments. I get bored by all the other blogs. Worky is much more interesting.

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    avatar GS says:

    Hoosiertoon: I try so hard to be upbeat about NUFC, but it gets difficult when we lose 5 of 6.

    I have said it before though – when a bear is chasing you, you don’t have to outrun the bear. You have to outrun Sunderland, QPR and Wigan.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    stewpot says:
    December 11, 2012 at 1:42 am


    did you really start the pardiola thing? if so kudos mate.”

    stewpot, it’s a little hobby of mine. Most of the journos (and a few of the commentators too) follow this site because I spend alot of time poking into little nooks and crannies which others don’t. Sometimes they pick up on stuff and spread it around.

    A certain Mackem lady from a certain national newspaper certainly picked up on the “Pardiola” thing amongst one or two others, using it as an example of how our Silver Supremo turned around the opinions of the fans. As I mentioned elsewhere, I got sick of people saying that Hughton was a long ball manager and that Pardew was a master of the passing game who would finally bring beautiful football to SJP and I seem to recall it was guff like that which inspired my original sarcasm.

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    avatar hoosiertoon says:

    @GS I am disappointed today because, unlike almost all of the other games we have lost this season (and even some we’ve won I must admit), I felt like we really played well. We were entertaining and gave it a go. Apart from the first 15 minutes we didn’t sit back and struggle to pass the ball like usual, we took it to them and were the better team.

    They created chances off of good counters but overall I thought we actually played well enough to win, or at least earn a point. Losing such a game is tough.

    That’s why I don’t understand coming on here and everyone is acting like we were terrible, that was my point. For once we actually played the way we should.

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky @167: I haven’t seen her write anything recently. At least they are worse than us currently :) C*nts.

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    avatar GS says:

    So. I was in London a couple of years ago and the barman poured me a pint. I asked him from where he was from :) He said Newcastle, but I knew he was a Mackem.

    Why would you deny where you are from?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    hoosiertoon says:
    December 11, 2012 at 2:33 am

    “That’s why I don’t understand coming on here and everyone is acting like we were terrible, that was my point. For once we actually played the way we should.”

    Not me hoosiertoon. I missed the first 20 minutes but from what I did see we weren’t terrible and we weren’t great either. We were somewhere in the middle, possibly lapsing into old habits before the end of the game out of desperation. However after some awful performances in earlier games, being OK and not losing possession every time we get the ball can look very good indeed.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 11, 2012 at 2:42 am

    “So. I was in London a couple of years ago and the barman poured me a pint. I asked him from where he was from :) He said Newcastle, but I knew he was a Mackem.

    Why would you deny where you are from?”

    Perhaps he spotted that you were a Geordie and just wanted to avoid the usual Geordie-Mackem shite? Perhaps he wanted a tip?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS, stewpot. :-)

    Alan Pardew has proved critics wrong as Newcastle aim even higher

    ‘Pardiola’ ignored last summer’s criticism and now his inspiring coaching and meticulous attention to detail are threatening to take Newcastle into the Champions League

    Louise Taylor

    Alan Pardew, the Newcastle United manager, has fostered a happy spirit in his players.

    Alan Pardew has a new nickname. Plain old “Pards” no longer seems quite appropriate for a manager responsible for turning a team widely tipped as relegation fodder into Champions League contenders, so these days Newcastle United fans salute “Pardiola”.

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky, you are always funny, whatever Chuckster says about you. I have never got into any Mackem shyte, I avoid it like I avoid Mackems.

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky: sometimes you assume I am being a pr@ck when I am just making a lame joke.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Self praise is no recommendation !

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    avatar chuck says:

    Couldn’t get it to-gether to watch the game, expecting the worst, which is no fun.
    Though i believe another defeat is another nail in the grey gaffer’s coffin, well hopefully.
    Actually it’s nothing less than i expected from Pardew, been saying that from day one.
    Overall i dont place so much of the blame on him, we could and should have strengthened the defence during the summer window.
    And we cant really put that much blame on Llambias, i mean WTF does he know about anything, other than maybe setting odds on something.
    Perhaps he can give us a good price on a new manager and GM for NUFC.
    I hear we offer long term contracts.
    Truth is Ashley bears total responsibility, a control freak, nothing gets done without his say so.
    He even believes his own press, you know the guy who invented how to suceed in football without spending one thin dime, yeah right.
    A…oles are tightening as we go slip sliding to-wards another season in the second tier, it’s deja vu all over again.
    Though with THE RIGHT MOVES we can survive.
    Thats a proper manager and a knowledgable GM,
    but would fatso admitt perhaps he may have been wrong and give over some control to those who know better, doubt it.
    It’s certainly not too late, but the general malaise seems to have settled on the team in general and loosing can become a habit, the side needs a radical change, something to play for.
    However it should be a well planned move, no more grasping at straws, a la Sheerah & Quasimodo.
    Right now there’s a definate resemblance between the side and the on that was relegated and i would bet the dressing room is not a happy one as they seem to always prtray it.
    But then……

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 11, 2012 at 3:53 am

    “Worky: sometimes you assume I am being a pr@ck when I am just making a lame joke.”

    What are you on about now GS?

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    avatar tunyc says:

    Still 8th most likely to go down according to the books-but we’ve moved down from 12/1 to 10/1. Still seeing 25/1 for AP as next manager fired at one book. Might be worth a go…at another he’s moved up past Adkins to 10/1.

    The system AP plays limits our best players. The problem isn’t that this is a bad squad (though defense is inadequate), rather it often looks like less than the sum of its parts. That’s why I worry about them leaving.

    We have dropped so many points you’d expect us to have already. Look at our fixtures and tell me what you think our point total will be and where they will come from. ANYTHING but a win v QPR in a couple weeks and we WILL have to find points against the top sides to survive.

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