Five Newcastle United players make a stand over Israel

Papiss Cissé, Yohan Cabaye and Cheick Tioté.

Cabaye, Cisse and Tiote: Three of NUFC's five signatories.

62 players from 37 clubs around the world have called on UEFA chief Michel Platini to strip Israel of their right to host the UEFA Under-21 European Championship in solidarity with the people of Gaza after the recent killings by Israel of over 100 Palestinians in the Gaza strip.

Of the 62, five Newcastle United players, as well as one ex-Newcastle United player (Leon Best), have been signatories to the statement condemning the slaughter. This is the second highest contingent of players on the list after French club, Olympique de Marseille (though there was no Joey Barton on the list). The Newcastle United signatories to the statement are Demba Ba, Yohan Cabaye, Papiss Cissé, Sylvain Marveaux and finally, Cheikh Tioté. Strangely though, there is no Hatem Ben Arfa there.

The full statement, along with the list of 62 signatories and their clubs is below:

“We, as European football players, express our solidarity with the people of Gaza who are living under siege and denied basic human dignity and freedom. The latest Israeli bombardment of Gaza, resulting in the death of over a hundred civilians, was yet another stain on the world’s conscience.

“We are informed that on 10 November 2012 the Israeli army bombed a sports stadium in Gaza, resulting in the death of four young people playing football, Mohamed Harara and Ahmed Harara, 16 and 17 years old; Matar Rahman and Ahmed Al Dirdissawi, 18 years old.

“We are also informed that since February 2012 two footballers with the club Al Amari, Omar Rowis, 23, and Mohammed Nemer, 22, have been detained in Israel without charge or trial.

“It is unacceptable that children are killed while they play football. Israel hosting the UEFA Under-21 European Championship, in these circumstances, will be seen as a reward for actions that are contrary to sporting values.

“Despite the recent ceasefire, Palestinians are still forced to endure a desperate existence under occupation, they must be protected by the international community. All people have the right to a life of dignity, freedom and security. We hope that a just settlement will finally emerge.”

Signed by:

Gael Angoula (Bastia Sporting Club – France), Karim Ait-Fana (Montpellier HSC – France), André Ayew (Olympique de Marseille – France), Jordan Ayew (Olympique de Marseille – France), Demba Ba (Newcastle United – UK), Abdoulaye Baldé (AC Lumezzane – Italia), Chahir Belghazouani (AC Ajaccio – France), Leon Best (Blackburn Rovers Football Club – UK), Ryad Boudebouz (Football Club Sochaux Montbéliard – France), Yacine Brahimi (Granada Football Club – Spain), Jonathan Bru (Melbourne Victory – Australia), Yohan Cabaye, Newcastle United (UK), Aatif Chahechouche (Sivasspor Kulübü – Turkey), Pascal Chimbonda (Doncaster Rovers Football Club – UK), Papiss Cissé (Newcastle United – UK), Omar Daf (Football Club Sochaux Montbéliard – France), Issiar Dia (Lekhwiya – Qatar), Abou Diaby (Arsenal Football Club – UK), Alou Diarra (Olympique de Marseille – France), Soulaymane Diawara (Olympique de Marseille – France), Samba Diakité (Queens Park Rangers – UK), Pape Diop (West Ham United – UK), Abdoulaye Doucouré (Stade Rennais Football Club – France), Didier Drogba (Shanghaï Shenhua – China), Ibrahim Duplus (Football Club Sochaux Montbéliard – France), Soudani El-Arabi Hilal (Vitoria Sport Club Guimares – Portugal), Jires Kembo Ekoko (Al Ain Football Club – United Arab Emirates), Nathan Ellington (Ipswich Town Football Club – UK), Rod Fanni (Olympique de Marseille – France), Doudou Jacques Faty (Sivassport Kulübü – Turkey), Ricardo Faty (AC Ajaccio – France), Chris Gadi (Olympique de Marseille – France), Remi Gomis (FC Valenciennes – France), Florent Hanin (SC Braga – Portugal), Eden Hazard (Chelsea Football Club – UK), Charles Kaboré (Olympique de Marseille – France), Diomansy Kamara (Eskisehispor Kulübü – Turkey), Frédéric Kanouté (Beijin Guoan – China), Anthony Le Tallec (AJ Auxerre – France), Djamal Mahamat (Sporting Braga – Portugal), Steve Mandanda (Olympique de Marseille – France), Kader Manganne (Al Hilal Riyad Football Club – Saudi Arabia), Sylvain Marveaux (Newcastle United – UK), Nicolas Maurice-Belay (FC Girondins de Bordeaux – France), Cheikh M’bengué (Toulouse Football Club – France), Jérémy Menez (Paris Saint-Germain Football Club – France), Arnold Mvuemba (Olympique Lyonnais – France), Laurent Nardol (Chartres Football Club – France), Mahamadou N’diaye – Vitoria Sport Club Guimares – Portugal), Mamadou Niang (Al-Sadd SC – Qatar), Mbaye Niang (SM Caen – France), Fabrice Numeric (FK Slovan Duslo Sala – Slovakia), Billel Omrani (Olympique de Marseille – France), Lamine Sané (FC Girondins de Bordeaux – France), Mamady Sidibé (Stoke City Football Club – UK), Momo Sissoko (Paris Saint-Germain Football Club – France), Cheikh Tioté (Newcastle United – UK) Adama Traoré (Melbourne Victory – Australia), Armand Traoré (Queen Park Rangers FC – UK), Djimi Traore (Olympique de Marseille – France), Moussa Sow (Fenerbahçe Spor Kulübü – Turkey), Hassan Yebda (Granada Football Club – Spain)

However, French UEFA chairman Michel Platini dismissed the statement, responding:

“We cannot hold the Israel FA responsible for the political situation in the region or for legal procedures in place in its country. You know better than anyone that it is not by punishing people and isolating them that we achieve our aims. It is through dialogue that solutions are found,”

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127 Responses to “Five Newcastle United players make a stand over Israel”

  1. 1
    avatar sampdiago says:

    Why no benny?

  2. 2
    avatar clivel says:

    What a bunch of hypocrites especially Drogba and Kanouté who play for Chinese clubs in China, a country well known for its human rights abuses and the occupation of Tibet.

  3. 3
    avatar Malcolm Krenball says:

    The reason they bombed the satdium is because they were storing and firing rockets FROM the stadium INTO Israel and killing civillians!
    How about making some enquiries before jumping to conlusions?!
    Shame on you

  4. 4
    avatar toontony says:

    clivel says:

    What a bunch of hypocrites especially Drogba and Kanouté who play for Chinese clubs in China, a country well known for its human rights abuses and the occupation of Tibet.

    clivel why are the other 60 players hypocrites?

  5. 5
    avatar GS says:

    The funny thing in the last few weeks is that I used to watch for Arsenal, Spurs and Everton results hoping they would draw or lose and it would get us a step closer to Europe next season.

    Now I watch our fellow relegation strugglers, Reading, Sunderland, Villa, QPR hoping they lose so we can stay up.

  6. 6
    avatar workyticket says:

    Malcolm Krenball says:
    December 1, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    “The reason they bombed the satdium is because they were storing and firing rockets FROM the stadium INTO Israel and killing civillians!
    How about making some enquiries before jumping to conlusions?!
    Shame on you”

    Malcolm, that’s just an IDF stock response. They always say that after killing innocent civilians but hardly ever produce any evidence, and they have lied on many previous occaisions too. They are the ones who have no shame.

  7. 7
    avatar workyticket says:

    sampdiago says:
    December 1, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    Sampdiago, Perhaps he’s worried about his past and doesn’t want to be “controversial” any more. Either that or he was away at the time, or just doesn’t give a stuff!

  8. 8
    avatar workyticket says:

    toontony says:
    December 1, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    “clivel why are the other 60 players hypocrites?”

    I didn’t understand that one either Tony.

  9. 9
    avatar TROJAN RECORDS 73 says:

    freedom for palestine, and palestinian people!!!
    it’s wrong the organisations who are behind the rocket attacks, but how many israeli’s are killed by these rockets?
    all i ever see from the that part of the world, is disproportionate retaliation from israel.
    these people even attack peaceful aid convoys, and have killed innocent people.
    good on the players who are taking a stand against this tyranny.

    when the average person stands up against israel, they are always labelled antisemetic.
    “zionism” in it’s definition, is classed as a fascist ideology, by the united nations.
    being anti zionist, is not a attack on jewish people, or their faith, or their culture.

  10. 10
    avatar GS says:

    TR73: have you been to Israel? I don’t know why they are even fighting about it, it is just a bunch of rocks. It would be like fighting about Sunderland if it wasn’t for the religion aspect. The garden of gethsemane is about the size of an allotment.

    I am not that keen on religion or fights about religion, so they can all take their rockets and shove them up their arses.

  11. 11
    avatar GS says:

    TR73: sorry to be so simplistic about the conflict. I was in Jerusalem 25 years ago and it was the same story. They had an intifada where the hysterical clerics stopped their own people from opening their shops to sell junk to tourists, basically/obviously (copyright Peter Beardsley) stopping their own people from making a living.

    The Israelis were just as bad, but that is my point

  12. 12
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: thanks for the advice the other night. I have realised I can’t work for somebody else anymore, and certainly not in corporate America.

  13. 13
    avatar GS says:

    And Worky, footballers are renowned for their understanding of geopolitics? That’s like saying Margaret Thatcher understood shipyards.

  14. 14
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 1, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    “TR73: have you been to Israel? I don’t know why they are even fighting about it”

    I can’t believe you’re actually being serious there GS?

  15. 15
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 1, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    “And Worky, footballers are renowned for their understanding of geopolitics?”

    GS, you wrote that as if you’d never even heard of Monsieur Joey Barton. I daresay he’ll be over there in Marseilles reading his Chomsky books as I’m typing this.

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  17. 17
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: you know by now that obsessive religiousity-ness really annoys me.

    I don’t understand why you are bringing geopolitics onto your blog. But. I sort of do, it is your blog after all :)

  18. 18
    avatar workyticket says:

    “MANAMA, Bahrain (AP) — Just hours after reality TV star Kim Kardashian gushed about her impressions of Bahrain, riot police fired tear gas to disperse more than 50 hardline Islamic protesters denouncing her presence in the Gulf kingdom.”

    The protesters didn’t go far enough GS. It it was me I’d be denouncing her presence on earth, not just a very small part of it called Bahrain.

  19. 19
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: you know I understand the religious tripe about Jerusalem, I just don’t agree with any of it.

    I watched a show here the other night that said the crusades went on for 200 years and that the then Pope said they should slaughter all Muslims. I am not surprised there is a Holy War going on now, but it doesn’t make it right.

  20. 20
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 1, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    “Worky: you know by now that obsessive religiousity-ness really annoys me.”

    It’s not even about religion GS. It’s about stealing someone else’s land, it’s about bulldozing people’s houses, it’s about state sponsored murder of innocent civilians, it’s about trying to drive a whole nation of people into the sea.

  21. 21
    avatar GS says:

    So it is not about religion when they scream “god is great” as they chop an infidel’s head off or burn a wife on a funeral pyre? Not about religion? It must be about hate then?

  22. 22
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 1, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    “So it is not about religion when they scream “god is great” as they chop an infidel’s head off or burn a wife on a funeral pyre? Not about religion? It must be about hate then?”

    GS, when you know nothing, it’s usually best to keep it to yourself. ;-)

  23. 23
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: no offense mate, religion really does my head in and I can’t understand it.

  24. 24
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS, WTF is all that shit about chopping peoples heads off and burning wives FFS? Where did all that come from?

  25. 25
    avatar GS says:

    Worky says:

    “GS, when you know nothing, it’s usually best to keep it to yourself. ;-)”

    you think that will scare me off your site like Clint and AndyMac? It’ll take 215 vampires, 12 werewolves and an Alan Pardew. And a partridge in a Chuck tree.

  26. 26
    avatar GS says:

    Worky @24: I was only using the words that extremists use, you know that. So don’t give me a hard time about it.

  27. 27
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 1, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    “Worky @24: I was only using the words that extremists use, you know that. So don’t give me a hard time about it.”

    I’m sorry GS but you’ve completely lost me. I genuinely don’t understand what chopping heads off and burning wives has to do with Palestine, Israel or this discussion?

  28. 28
    avatar GS says:

    Let me explain then, it is about religion. Come on. don’t PRETEND you don’t know what I am talking about.

    If you want to say something, say it, don’t dance around the subject.

  29. 29
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: you know I think you are very smart and more interesting than Chuck, but don’t piss around.

  30. 30
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 1, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    “Let me explain then, it is about religion.”

    I’m guessing.

    Which religion GS? There are two main religious groups in Palestine, Muslims and also a significant Chritian minority who also suffer Israeli brutality and are fighting for a right to a decent life too. Are you saying it’s the Christians who chop heads off and burn their wives? Or the Muslims?

    Is this gadgie a radical religious nutcase?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvtC_qzHVM4

    Or is this Palestinian leader?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ayCled3t14

    I think you’ve been had somewhere.

  31. 31
    avatar GS says:

    Trying to twist my words Worky? I am not saying anything like what you are trying to put into my mouth @30.

    If you want to be like that then be like that.

  32. 32
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 2, 2012 at 12:16 am

    “Trying to twist my words Worky? I am not saying anything like what you are trying to put into my mouth @30.”

    Well as I wrote GS, I was guessing because you seem to be very reluctant to explain. I’ve known a few Palestinians, and I didn’t think they were the kind of people who go around chopping peoples heads off. One of them was a director of a mobile phone company :lol:

    What ARE you saying GS? Have you been watching too much American TV?

  33. 33
    avatar GS says:

    Worky@32: what are you trying to pick a fight with me for? Are you bored or something?

  34. 34
    avatar GS says:

    And, just because you know a couple of Palestinians doesn’t mean that all Palestinians don’t cut people’s heads off.

    Ducks quack, but that doesn’t mean all ducks quack, or don’t quack…

  35. 35
    avatar GS says:

    I am watching Sheffield United against Port Vale. There is actually more skill on display from both teams than any of our nightmares this season.

  36. 36
    avatar GS says:

    @35: Ben Arfa excepted of course. Because he has been a shining light in a shower of shite.

  37. 37
  38. 38
    avatar GS says:

    I don’t follow it enough to know if she is making any sense or not. But, I do know that she has more influence than people on a NUFC blog :)

  39. 39
    avatar chuck says:

    It’s obvious what the world thinks of the present situation between Israel and the Palestinian West Bank and Gaza residents
    With only the US and a few others, obviously Israel itself, The Czech Republic, Canada,Panama, plus several small US dominated Pacific Islands, voting nay.
    While The UK abstained, along with forty other nations.
    One hundred and thirty eight voted in favor.
    Which was both condemned by Israel and the US, the latter threatening sanctions against the Palestinians and Israel threatening the expansion of Israeli settlements in the west bank.
    They (the US and Israel) claim only by direct negotiations between the two, brokered by the US is there a possibility of a settlement.
    However that situation has existed since the adaption of resolution 242, voited unanimously by the UN security counsil in 1967.
    During which time little or no movement has taken place other than, massive settlement of both the West Bank and Jerusalem by Israel.
    The present vote also helps to pave the way to-wards an independent state for the Palastinian people, in the near future, which is anathema to the State of Israel, who have threatened they will not allow any state created, an armed forces that and a number of other restrictions.
    It’s probably fair to say, there will be little movement on this issue any time in the near future, being might is right, but time overall is not on the side of Israel.
    And it should be clear that a resolution to the problem as soon as possible, is in their best interest.
    The great fear for most is the fact Israel is a Nuclear armed state, with possibly more nuclear weapons than countries like the UK or France.
    In which case, they join other countries such as Pakistan and North Korea, as nations that could cause a nuclear holacust.
    Not that i’m in favor of the ridiculously large arsenals of those already members of the Nuclear weapons weapons club.
    It’s just a bit scarey, is all!

  40. 40
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 2, 2012 at 12:35 am

    “Worky@32: what are you trying to pick a fight with me for?”

    I’m not GS, I just disagree with the characterisation of Palestinians as religious nutcases who want to chop people’s heads off, that’s all. But at first I couldn’t believe that you’d write something like that and actually mean it, hence I didn’t understand. What’s wrong with that?

    I’ve met a few English gangsters who have done stuff like that in the past anyway!

  41. 41
    avatar chuck says:

    Two points from the relegation zone , with no help in sight, Ashley had better dig deep come the window.
    As we have no Joey or Nolan, and is likely the rest will leave like rats leaving a sinking ship.
    Nah !
    Put your faith in Pardew he wif is special brand of bullshitt will stabilise Noocarsil.

  42. 42
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: you above all others must know that words can be misconstrued on a blog. I am not sure if I even understand what you are saying to me now.

    I did realize that I don’t have Combat Rock and I am going to but it and you can’t stop me.

  43. 43
    avatar GS says:

    buy, the “y” and the “t” are next to each other on the keyboard.

  44. 44
    avatar GS says:

    Chuckster: having more than like 5 nuclear weapons is scary. 3 or 4 to blow themselves up is OK by be, more than that and they might blow me up.

    And hasn’t this middle east conflict been going on since the time of the dinosaurs. Oh sh@t, some of these religious nuts don’t believe in dinosaurs. They believe in heaven and 72 virgins and an ark though.

    So Worky, these are the people you are referring to and you are trying to tell me they are rational. Yeah.

  45. 45
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    December 2, 2012 at 12:56 am

    “Which was both condemned by Israel and the US, the latter threatening sanctions against the Palestinians and Israel threatening the expansion of Israeli settlements in the west bank.

    They (the US and Israel) claim only by direct negotiations between the two, brokered by the US is there a possibility of a settlement.
    However that situation has existed since the adaption of resolution 242, voited unanimously by the UN security counsil in 1967.
    During which time little or no movement has taken place other than, massive settlement of both the West Bank and Jerusalem by Israel.”

    They’re not threatening it, they’re actually doing it Chuck, and they’re doing it all the time anyway. That stuff about the only way to peace is through direct negotiation with Israel’s best (only) mate as the broker is a transparent, dishonest piece of crap and a con to stall for time until Israel has annexed the whole of Palestine. Hence, it goes without saying that little or no movement has taken place. The more they build, the more the term “Facts on the ground,” which is THE favourite phrase of Zionist expansionism will be used.

    They even deliberately sunk a US warship once and LBJ was so scared about doing anything about it that he hushed it all up. If they have the world’s most powerful nation by the balls that tightly, they can get away with anything. The tide has certainly turned somewhat in the propaganda war though, though not so much in the American media.

  46. 46
    avatar GS says:

    You set me off Worky. I don’t feel displaced because I live in Chicago. Do you feel displaced because you live in London and not Newcastle?

    Where is YOUR homeland? And if you can live 300 miles from “home” and I can live 3000 miles from “home” then what meaning does this talk of promised lands have and what are they fighting about, again? I am sure there are more Jews in New York than Jerusalem.

    Oh, it is religion. Yes, it is religion. It is not about (promised) land at all. It is fear, control, spite and hate.

  47. 47
    avatar GS says:

    And Worky, what I said @21, I know the difference between f#cking India and Gaza and Iraq, I was making a point about religion. Blogs…

  48. 48
    avatar GS says:

    @47: I meant @24, you got me worked up Worky, so much so that I can’t remember references :)

  49. 49
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 2, 2012 at 1:40 am

    “Do you feel displaced because you live in London and not Newcastle?”

    Not in the slightest GS. I’m with Samuel Johnson when it comes to London:

    “Why, Sir, you find no man, at all intellectual, who is willing to leave London. No, Sir, when a man is tired of London, he is tired of life; for there is in London all that life can afford.”

    And please, less of the “79 virgins” stuff, you’re starting to sound like Bill O’Reilly. It’s white Anglo Saxons who go on about that far more than Muslims ever do. Muslims who commit suicide are NOT rewarded with 79 virgins in heaven. It’s a myth.

    http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2007/03/04/debunking-the-suicide-for-72-virgins-myth/

    ;-)

  50. 50
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: have you been to Israel and Gaza? I have. The religious stuff is insane. They divide the Holy Sepulchre church into Greek, Armenian and Catholic and have priests keeping guard of their own little chuchdoms.

    They can’t figure it out between their own denominations let alone another FAITH. So what do you expect?

    AND I REPEAT – YOU TRUST FOOTBALLERS TO KNOW ANYTHING MORE THAN FASHION AND STRIP CLUBS???

    Criticise me if you want for saying that footballers are dumb, but that is not my point.

  51. 51
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: this could be an urban legend but what I saw was that the 72 virgins reference was a mistranslation of 72 grapes. I think it was Bill Maher who said it.

    If you think I am anything like Bill O’Reilly you have another think coming. I wouldn’t even spit in his general direction.

  52. 52
    avatar GS says:

    So, I am coming back from the casino last night and it is 6am. It was me and Jerry, I am the only one who will go with him even though I don’t gamble.

    Driving back, and he calls his bloody wife and wakes her up to say he is on his way home.

    I tried to explain that he could have waited 15 minutes and got into bed with her and that when people are asleep they have no concept of time.

  53. 53
    avatar GS says:

    And now: I am watching USA and Eire woman’s soccer. They are singing the National Anthems and none of the Irish know any of the words. It is in Garlic but that is not really an excuse if they are patriotic like the Palestinians, and of course the Irish were in a similar situation to the Palestinians in the past.

  54. 54
    avatar GS says:

    The Ref is sort of hot (she is a she), the playas are all lezzas though. Even this is more exciting than the last few NUFC games. USA scored after 50 seconds.

  55. 55
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS, generalisation, especially about groups of people, nearly always takes us down a bad road. Some footballers are as thick as shite, some are very intelligent, and some are somewhere in the middle, just like much of society.

    One of the fathers of Quantum Theory, Niels Bohr, and quite a few other great minds also played football at a very high level. Even Newcastle United’s Shaka Hislop really was a Rocket Scientist who worked for NASA. Hislop, Bohr, and the other most often cited brainy footballer, the great writer Albert Camus, were all goalkeepers incidentally.

    “After many years during which I saw many things, what I know most surely about morality and the duty of man I owe to sport and learned it in the RUA.” (Racing Universitaire Algerios football team).

    Camus had to pack in the football prematurely though when he got Tuberculosis as there was no real cure at the time.

  56. 56
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 2, 2012 at 2:39 am

    “The Ref is sort of hot (she is a she), the playas are all lezzas though.”

    Here’s some hot German “lezza” footballers for you GS.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2002206/The-best-football-strip-German-women-pose-Playboy.html

  57. 57
    avatar GS says:

    Worky @55: you missed Arsen Wenger. I am surprised you take me seriously anymore. Thanks for the link @56.

    Is it PC to say “lezzas”? or is it “lesbos” like the island?

  58. 58
    avatar GS says:

    Oh, and whatsizname, the cokehead from Chelsea who owes that very nice man Ambramovitz a lot of money. That’s not going to come back to hurt him :)

  59. 59
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: Shaka does commentary over here. He is literally a rocket scientist when compared to Steve Mcmanamanemen-man. Believe it or not, Warren Barton is very good, if he could just pronounce a tee-aitch I would like him even more.

  60. 60
    avatar GS says:

    Worky @55: I have got myself into trouble a few times by assuming that people understand that I am not being serious. A mother-in-law, an ex-girlfriend who dumped me, a college professor come to mind :)

  61. 61
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 2, 2012 at 3:42 am

    “Worky @55: I have got myself into trouble a few times by assuming that people understand that I am not being serious. A mother-in-law, an ex-girlfriend who dumped me, a college professor come to mind”

    That doesn’t surprise me GS. If you’re not being being serious it’s better to be amusing rather than just playing games with people and wasting their time. Life’s too short for all that and it’s insulting.

  62. 62
    avatar workyticket says:

    And if I sound “angry” I’m more angry with myself than I am with you. I was supposed to be writing a match preview this evening but there isn’t going to be one now because I’ve been stupid enough to let you wind me up all night!

  63. 63
    avatar Adam T says:

    I support Israel.

  64. 64
    avatar GS says:

    Wind you up Worky? You must be easy to wind up then. Read back, I didn’t say anything offensive to you. You were the one making sweeping statements about geopolitics, I simply questioned a few of your views.

    And it started with the spurious link to NUFC in your piece (because you wanted to talk politics)

    So if you wanted to talk politics don’t be surprised if people talk politics. You might want to get down off your high horse and stop moaning because somebody has a different opinion.

    And me @60, I was being self-effacing, if you couldn’t see that and felt you had to reply, then I underestimated you.

    You are used to fights though, just maybe not with people who don’t take their toys and go home. Anyway, thanks again for the advice the other night, I am going to take it. And @60 again, my mother in law was horrible, the college professor was a bully, but I did mess up with the ex-girlfriend but I blame that one on alcohol.

  65. 65
    avatar GS says:

    Also, you know what I am like. I make statements about my personal life to make a point. I sometimes walk the line between being smart and being a smart ars*, sound familiar?

  66. 66
    avatar TROJAN RECORDS 73 says:

    it’s something that has bothered me from being a kid.
    the western media has always demonised palestian people, and imo, have always been pro israel, instead of being impartial.
    adam t, “i support israel”, it’s not a football team.

    the people who started this movement in 1800′s, are responsible for creating, nothing but pain and suffering to both jews and palestians.
    the palastian people have basically had a wall built around them, and they are sitting ducks, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

    the jewish people are imo, through propaganda and religion, are duped into this romantised idea, of a homeland.
    they are arriving in israel, and it’s seems like they are pawns, in a game.
    they themselves look like they are being used a human shields, in someones sick game.
    the whole thing is utter insanity!!!, and jews and palastinians are both victims of it.

  67. 67
    avatar cloggybob says:

    I worked in Israel for nearly a year dring the Intifada.I worked with Palestinians and Israelis alike in various locations,West Bank,Golan Heights,Negev etc.
    I encountered all types and believe me there are a lot of fanatics.I had stones thrown at me by Orthodox Jews because I happened to be wearing shorts in Jerusalem and I had stones thrown at me in an Arab village because they thought I was Jewish.Ironically I was pulled into a house by a kindly Arab (who also thought i was Jewish,which i’m not BTW) before a lynching could take place.
    Who do you side with in an impossible situation?
    A lot of the first generation Israelis i knew never wanted the place and wished Mr. Balfour and his matey’s had picked somewhere else,somewhere less conflicting say.
    They are a tough race and have been attacked from all sides on many occassions,yom kippur,6-day war etc.
    They have repelled their attackers on each occassion and become stronger and more resillient with it.The only down side on this is that the more conflict the more hard lined the politics became ie. building settlements on palestinian land.(take a look at the original maps)and driving families off their own property etc.
    i can sympathise with the israelis and i can sympathise with the Palestinians but then again who can you side with?
    For me its a big conundrum with no solution.

  68. 68
    avatar Mark says:

    I’m completely unbiased in this discussion but I thought workyticket was very unkind to GS in the discussion and should perhaps apologise?
    The battle between all religions will never go away. If man has been on earth for at least 3 million plus years and religious beliefs only several thousand years it shows religion was created to control people. When things go wrong like in Syria at the moment it shows it doesn’t work anyway.

  69. 69
    avatar tunyc says:

    Not touching this one with a ten foot pole here other than to say the Palestinian refugees I knew growing up in St. Louis were decent, normal people. Anyway, I’ll stick to football now.

  70. 70
    avatar chuck says:

    GS
    It’s not that everyone disagrees with your attitude to-ards religions, especially the monotheist trio, that originated in the same area.
    Who’s histories are filled with bloodshed and strife.
    I think it’s more about how you frame your arguments.

    Norwich, with the manager who wasn’t big enough for Noocarsil, just scored against Sunderland.

    Who’s over-rated manager M.O’N. is under threat, @ 6-1 to be fired, followed in fourth place by Pardew @ 16-1.

    Reading the normally feelgood blog, put out by a proud Geordie from North Carolina ED.
    Who has apparently changed his tude, sounding more like that radical chuck, who keeps repeating himself.
    Actually has more to do with Pavlov than my perceived dotage.
    But thats another story.

    Yeah the fans have it appears seen the light and it could very well result in Ashley once again listening to the crowds and throwing Pardew to the lions.

    Joking aside there’s talk of spending during the upcoming window and having to admitt, even considering the financial situation, it was a mistake not to have strengthened the side during the summer, duh!

    However, it’s not just strengthening the side we need.
    We could have the best players in the league, but without someone at the helm, who has an understanding of how best to use those players, we will be no better off.

    Again, during the relegation year we actually didn’t have such a bad side, but once the rot sets in and players no longer care, it’s difficult to turn things around.

    Norwich just got a second goal, see you later Martin!
    Perhaps you may run into Pardew in the unemployment line.

    Gonna be an interesting game with Wigan and a more interesting winter window.
    It should appear clear what Ashley’s intentions are in regard to NUFC.

  71. 71
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    December 2, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    “Norwich, with the manager who wasn’t big enough for Noocarsil, just scored against Sunderland.”

    It’s a game which puts the average Geordie in a very difficult position. Do we face the awful situation of having to support that lot of no good red and white varmints against Hughton’s Norwich? After all, if Norwich win, even if we win against Wigan, we’ll still be in the same place in the table with some nightmare games to come over Christmas.

    Then again though, if the Tramps win, they will overtake us (which simply will not do) and nothing less than a win against Wigan will do for us to take back our rightful position (ie above them).

    Then again though, nothing less than a win against Wigan will do anyway really.

    It’s Geordie hell!

  72. 72
    avatar chuck says:

    TROJAN RECORDS

    Why not just give those people a name, Zionists.
    An organization started by Theodore Herzl, which the aim of Zionism , was to establish a home for the Jewish people secured by public law.
    This accured in 1897, one hundred and fifteen years ago.
    Oddly enough most Othordox Jews were anti Zionist and in present day Israel one can find the whole specrtum of opinions on the state of Israel.
    Following the 1967 war, apparently many Othordox Jews saw this as a sign of support from god and a full fillment of the begining of the messianic era.
    That and the fact the captured East Bank included the core of the ancient biblical lands of Judea and Sumaria.
    Of course the fact a certain group of people happened to be have been living in these lands since the diaspora and before, complicated matters, especially the last four words of the Zionist decleration.
    ..secured by public law…
    Of course there were numerous homelands sugested by a number of nations, the British and later the Germans sugested Madagascar, the British also though Albania, or an area in what is now Kenya (No not Golders Green) may have been acceptable (apparently the discovery of oil in the Arabian peninsula, created a problem, the Brits. not wanting any problems between Jews and Arabs, perceptive of them)
    However the Jews apparently were determined to return to what i suppose many thought of as the biblical homeland, of course much of what accured since the end of WW11, was based on sympathy for a people that sufferd near extinction in the hands of the Nazi’s.
    Ths, despite Britains prevention of Jewish immigration and in fact expusions of many who were captured while attempting to enter Palestine.
    Of course a figure of 14,00 per year was allowed, but with refugees of over 250,000 in camps located throughout Europe,it was apparent, many would never make it, at the rate allowed,
    A sop to the Arabs.
    To make a long story short, the British elected to end their mandate (cost too much and were pressured by the US, to whom they were indebted) they made a hasty retreat, resulting in the first Arab Israeli war of 1948.
    And here we are.

  73. 73
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    December 2, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    “To make a long story short, the British elected to end their mandate (cost too much and were pressured by the US, to whom they were indebted) they made a hasty retreat, resulting in the first Arab Israeli war of 1948.”

    Chuck, They were also being blown up (along with the Arabs) by Zionist terrorists, the most famous attack being the King David Hotel bombing which killed 91. Hence, it’s a tad ironic when Israelis bleat on about Arab terrorism.

  74. 74
    avatar chuck says:

    Look folks, it’s a matter of extremis here, either we do something radical or we go slip sliding down the league to-wards the second tier.

    Though we had a great season there last time, does anyone really want a repeat performance, no ? i didn’t think so !

    We need re-inforcements and i undestand Ashley thought we could survive in the top ten, until he could get a better deal on players during this approaching window.
    After all we finished in fifth place.

    The demands of he upcoming cups, Europe and the PL, with such a paper thin squad, with most of the kids not really ready, hey! they are fine for a PL mach practice
    fifteen minute, but are not EPL starters.

    And this business of refusing to bring in anyone older than 26 or so is nonsense, there are good veterans out there that can be utilised for a season or two, that wouldn’t cost an arm and a leg.

    With the recent purcases of HBA (who actually forced himself on us, thank goodness) Cabaye, (cheap), Ba. (cheap).

    But thats it, Seven million for Anita (gotta be kidding) Amalfitano, (where is he? seen him once),Obertan, (eh)!,
    Marveaux,give the guy a game FFS.
    Bigi, (still a work in progress).
    Santon, (great attacking FB,not so great a defending FB.
    plus six million, aint hay)
    But you can forget about all above, our main problem is Pardew, we will never be a top side as long as he is in charge and i’m not so sure about our coaches either.

  75. 75
    avatar workyticket says:

    As I wrote earlier, even if we beat Wigan now we will still remain in 14th place unless we win by seven goals. That’s rather unlikely.

  76. 76
    avatar TROJAN RECORDS 73 says:

    your bang on worky, the first act of terrorism in that land was committed by irgun, when they blew up the king david hotel.
    i think they used barrels of oil, that were placed in a cellar.
    it’s funny that quite a few of israels top brass, were members of irgun, and were part of the operation.

  77. 77
    avatar chuck says:

    How many were killed during the King David Hotel explosion, as to how many Jews were killed by by the combination of British armed forces, including Palestine police, (the Black and Tans of the middle east)
    And how many Jews from Palestine lost their lives while fighting as a Brigade of over forty thousand (all volunteers)of the British Eighth Army, in Italy and other campaigns ?

  78. 78
    avatar Grumpy Old-Toon says:

    Haven’t seen any mention of the fact that Palestine is governed largely by Hamas a terrorist orginisation dedicated to wiping out Israel. Small wonder that Israel have objections to given them some status in the UN.

    There are two solutions to the Arab-Israeli problem, one would be beneficial to all parties concerned, the other would be a genocidal disaster for Israel. I can’t see the Arab countries being prepared for the first, so basically Israel are fighting for their exsistance, even more than Palestine.

    Thats my opinion for whats its worth but obviously its a very complex situation wtih a lot of bad history going right back into ancient history from Moses to the present day.

    Unfortunately the potential is there to seriously effect more than the Middle East with the spread of nuclear weapons to certain countries.

  79. 79
    avatar chuck says:

    GS
    I think if you are going to quote ridiculess statements like the first act of terrorism in the land was commited by the Irgun.
    You ought to read up on the history of the Palestine Mandate, where there were Arab rebellions and inter Israeli arab conflicts constantly going on from 1920 and before, to 1948.
    The Fact the British were there itself, was questionable, as questionable as it was in any conquered colony.

  80. 80
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    December 2, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    “How many were killed during the King David Hotel explosion, as to how many Jews were killed by by the combination of British armed forces, including Palestine police, (the Black and Tans of the middle east)”

    Chuck, I never knew that you were a sympathiser with fascist scum like Avraham Stern, Yitzhak Shamir and their ghastly Stern Gang? You’re scraping the barrel a bit there to make one of your usual anti British points.

  81. 81
    avatar colindmdl says:

    F*ck ‘em, I also support Israel.

    At least I base my views on having worked in the Middle East, worked with Palestinian language assistants and enjoyed the liberal culture of Israel.

    I can only assume that some of our players are so worried about the Gaza situation that it is having a negative impact on performances.

  82. 82
    avatar chuck says:

    GS
    Sorry buddy,apologies,
    I mistook TROJAN RECORDS @ 76#’s statement on The King David Hotel, as yours.

    Actually the only so called atrocity most Brits. can bring to mind and for the most part the only thing they know about the area at the time.
    Obviously the British press, the propaganda arm of the British government at the time, did it’s job well, same as Kenya where they demonized the Mau Mau and while doing so tortured and killed somewhere in the region of a quarter of a million vs less than one hundred white casualties.
    We cannot verify these numbers, until the brutish oops! thats British government open the files on the conflict.
    My question is why ?
    It’s fifty years ago.

  83. 83
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    December 2, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    “Actually the only so called atrocity most Brits. can bring to mind”

    Chuck I could give you a whole list of terror attacks and ethnic massacres carried out by Irgun, Haganah and Lehi if I wanted to. If you’re going to start sympathising with fascists, don’t be surprised if you’re mistaken for one yourself someday. ;-)

  84. 84
    avatar chuck says:

    Worky

    Jomo Kenyatta, was also demonizes, who’s organization was considered (more orrible even than Llambias) the “mau mau” he eventuall gained the title of statesman.
    A former member of the Irgun became Prime minister of Israel.
    Two former(though never admitted) members of the IRA are Elected members of the British Parliament.
    And an unknown numbers of former leaders of freedom movements, from former colonies, who were demonized by the British ,French, Dutch and other colonisers.
    Became leaders of their countries.
    And i’m surprised you are not aware of that and the fact that atrocities are a two way street, more often caused by those in power, who have control of the media.
    I’m certain you must be aware of that as it’s common knowledge.

  85. 85
    avatar GS says:

    Chuck @79: that wasn’t me. It was TR73.

  86. 86
    avatar workyticket says:

    Just one of many Zionist atrocities of that period:

    http://www.deiryassin.org/

  87. 87
    avatar GS says:

    Chuck @82: I didn’t read on before posting @85.

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    avatar GS says:

    Colinmdl @81 says:

    “I can only assume that some of our players are so worried about the Gaza situation that it is having a negative impact on performances.”

    Now that was funny.

  89. 89
    avatar chuck says:

    Worky
    There are many who will question your defining Jewish armed groups during the Palistine Mandate period and before as fascists, as facsism did’nt exist untill post WW1.
    From the begining of the twentieth century until 1948, there was continual friction which took place between Zionist immigrants and Palestinians.
    Each of which had their armed paramilitary groups, the Irgun and others were a continuation of those groups.
    Of course i see you use the British propoganda terminology for the organization, which in English is
    “Fighters for the freedom of Israel”
    Calling them the “Stern Gang” which certainly doesn’t have the same connotation, does it ?
    And why was it again you think they wanted to blow up
    the King David hotel ?

  90. 90
    avatar GS says:

    No wonder this is all f@cked up. Isn’t Tony Blair involved? The man that turns Catholic after he leaves office :)

    I think everybody is trying their hardest not to think about the game tomorrow.

  91. 91
    avatar GS says:

    Oh, and Chuck, I did see you making fun of yourself earlier. That was quite funny as well.

  92. 92
    avatar chuck says:

    Yes i’m aware of the massacre at Deir Yassin, being it is recocnised as the worst atrocity of the 1948 war.
    But it was one of many and no side is without guilt.
    However i’m not an apologist for the state of Israel of that period or the present.
    I believe a two seperate state accomodation is the only answer, i would prefer a one state with equal rights for all situation would be better.
    But it’s obvious that is a no starter as far as the Jews are concerned.
    If their was any will on the part of the US, this could happen, however it’s clear there’s little interest from either Israel or the US.
    The UN can pass as many resolutions as they like but unless they can be implement on the ground, nothing will change.
    Of course the US will use it’s security council veto to prevent anything, such as blockades or sanctions happening, so i guess we will see more of the same.
    Unless of course Iran developes a rocket with a nuclear warhead that can reach Israel, at present it’s worse nightmare.
    Being it would’nt take many to destroy the postage stamp sized entire country.
    Aint life grand!

  93. 93
    avatar chuck says:

    Amsel time,
    Later!

  94. 94
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    December 2, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    “Worky
    There are many who will question your defining Jewish armed groups during the Palistine Mandate period and before as fascists, as facsism did’nt exist untill post WW1.”

    Chuck,

    “Organised mainstream Jewry supported America, Jewish communists supported Russia, while the Jewish right-wing looked towards Mussolini and Hitler for inspiration and assistance” – Israel Shamir

    http://shamir.mediamonitors.net/june242002.html

    One of the the Stern Gang’s other atrocities was also to assasinate Folke Bernadotte, the Swedish diplomat who saved tens of thousands of Jewish lives during the Holocaust.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte

    The Stern Gang’s leader, Avraham Stern, even contacted Hitler with a proposal to help Germany in the Middle East in return for recognising a Jewish state open to unlimited immigration.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)

    “The March, 1936 issue of L’Idea Sionistica, published during Mussolini’s conquest of Ethiopia (aka Abyssinia), describes a ceremony at Betar’s headquarters at the scuola marittima:

    “The Order ‘Attention’ – A triple chant ordered by the squad’s commanding officer – ‘Viva L’Italia! Viva Il Re! Viva Il Duce!’ resounded, followed by the benediction which rabbi Aldo Lattes invoked in Italian and in Hebrew for God, for the King and for Il Duce.”

    “Giovinezza,” the Fascist Party anthem, “was sung with much enthusiasm by the Betarim.”

    The war ended in May and they marched in a victory parade. Revisionism’s attitude towards Mussolini’s war was best described in the June 12, 1936 issue of London’s World Jewry magazine. Wolfgang von Weisl, Revisionism’s Financial Director,

    “declared that, although opinions among the Revisionists varied, in general they sympathized with Fascism…. He, personally, was a supporter of Fascism, and he rejoiced at the victory of Fascist Italy in Abyssinia as a triumph of the White races against the Black.”

    Their rejoicing ended a few weeks later after General Francisco Franco’s coup against the left-leaning Spanish Republic. Mussolini realized that a Spanish workers victory would inspire Italian workers to try to overthrow him. He had competed with Germany over domination of Austria, but realized that he had to unite with Hitler against the left. He knew that he couldn’t have an alliance with the Nazi and have Jews in his party, so he expelled them and put paid to his ties to Zionism.”

    http://mwcnews.net/focus/analysis/9183-zionist-revisionism.html

    You couldn’t make it up.

  95. 95
    avatar GS says:

    Worky @94: you spent all that time looking all of those links up and complained earlier that I was keeping you from doing a match preview :)

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    avatar TROJAN RECORDS 73 says:

    chuck, your right, we were there assinating the ring leaders of uprisings.
    the jews were saying we were worse than the nazi’s, at the time.
    what i was saying chuck is, the very people that find their way into power in israel, were part of former terror groups.
    the same is true on the palestinian side, so if these people are continually in the positions of power, nothing will change, in that region.

  97. 97
    avatar chuck says:

    Yes, i have to agree with the fact, politics makes strange bedfellows and you could’nt make some the alliances up.
    The old addage My enemys enemy is my ally or something similar.
    Then theres the description of jews, two jews three arguments.
    I doubt if there’s a country whos population, has more independent opinions, no wonder they have so many political parties and usually end up with a coalition government.

  98. 98
    avatar GS says:

    Chuck @97, Holland has a diverse population? Shyte, I have to call it the Netherlands to avoid a lecture about “South Holland” or something from Worky “)

  99. 99
    avatar chuck says:

    Sorry if i kept you from your assigned task Worky.

    TROJAN RECORDS
    No one is continually in a position of power and if it were not for people labled as terrorists, there would be no freedom for anyone.
    It’s a covenient term, like “Stern Gang”, instead of “Fighters for the freedom of israel”
    Though in such circumstances, truth often becomes the first victim, on both sides.

  100. 100
    avatar GS says:

    He thinks he is so smart, and he is very smart – there is no doubt about that. He is not always right though.

  101. 101
    avatar GS says:

    Here Worky:

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    avatar chuck says:

    GS
    Did you know the term Flaminco, is derived from the former Spanish Lowlands.
    Apparently it’s origin was an insult to those from Flemish areas, who spoke with an awfull and barely understandable Spanish accent.
    Who were known as Flaminco’s, it graduall ended up being accorded to others with accents, gypsies in particular, who wore it as a badge of honor, differentiating themselves from the general population.
    Not quite as romantic as i had once thought, then realising the translation of that romantic sounding word Granada, means pomegranate, especially when listening to the rousing melody Granada and substituting pomegranate.
    Do those who live in that city, find it somewhat embarrasing when asked , where are you from, to answer Erm! i’m from pomegranate.
    Poor barstewards.
    But i suppose there are worse things happen at sea.

  103. 103
    avatar GS says:

    What, Chuck @102? I have been to Granada and the Alhambra, but if you think I talk in a stream of consciousness you should listen to yourself sometimes :)

    Hopefully Worky will get off the pedestal soon and I can start to be a tw@t to you again.

  104. 104
    avatar GS says:

    Worky, Worky, Worky: I go on “Newsnow Newcastle” to see sites related to NUFC. If I saw this thread I wouldn’t know what the hell it was about.

    It has been funny though.

    Just give me 1-0 against Wigan. That’ll do.

  105. 105
    avatar GS says:

    Junior mastermind? :) :) :)

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    avatar chuck says:

    Worky
    Interesting article, by Israel Shamir, who is himself an interesting study, if not a rarity among Jews, who tend to produce more exceptions to the rule than English grammer.
    In which case like i mentioned earlier in favor of a one state for all, One State one vote.
    And calls for the return of the palestinian Diaspora and a return of their lands.
    Well there’s little chance at present of that happening.
    But if one gives it serious thought it could be the the solution to an otherwise unsolvable problem, after all the Irish waited over five hundred years to get rid of English hegemony and the Palestinians have only spent a little over fifty years.

  107. 107
    avatar chuck says:

    As for Bernadotte, he wasn’t the only Swedish politician murdered in what was British controlled territory.
    Former UN Secretary General Dag Hammerskjold, was killed while flying over the break away British Colony of Southern Rhodesia.
    There is good reason to believe the aircraft he was flying in was shot down by another aircraft that could have only come from Rhodesia.
    There were actual on the scene observers of the incident, who were discredited and the official finding was, he died as a result of a crash.
    Hmmm!

  108. 108
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    December 3, 2012 at 4:51 am

    “In which case like i mentioned earlier in favor of a one state for all, One State one vote.”

    Well you seem to have a fairly deep interest in the subject, so have you ever heard of the demgraphic “time bomb” there? The one which says the Jewish section will become increasingly outnumbered by Arab Muslims and Christians as time marches on? The Jewish section of the population certainly have so they’ll always fiercely resist that of course.

    Then again, the Zionists will fiercely resist everything except the status quo, creating more and more “facts on the ground” until the Palestinian “lice” (their term, not mine) are “driven into the sea” (another favourite term of the Zionists).

  109. 109
    avatar chuck says:

    It appears Lehi (as Stern hmself died in 1940 long before the post WW11 Jewish insurgency or the blowing up of The King David Hotel) was from it’s choice, of a willingness to deal with either Stalins Soviet Union, or Hitlers Germany,as opposed to and well aware of the dangers of dealing with Perfidious Albion, who had promised them, (The Jews) a homeland in Palestine.
    Which was delivered by Balfour, following WW1 following the establishment of the Palistinian Mandate.
    Which in turn had fulfilled, it is claimed a promise to Jewish bankers (The Rothchilds)who helped fund WW1.
    The British also imposed immigration restrictions on the Jews to Palestine, though later well aware of what was taking place inside Nazi Germany.
    Non of which the Jews found i believe to be particularly inspiring to their cause.
    So it shouldn’t be any surprise.
    The term “Perfidius Albion” was not coined without reason.
    And of course though they (Lehi) gained and attempted to spread terror (as all insurgents do)they were not the largest or most effective organization in a diverse Jewish insurgency.

  110. 110
    avatar chuck says:

    Worky
    Yes i’m aware of why the Jews are not in favor of a state that embraces both Palestinians and Jews.
    I find it a bit racist to impose a Jewish State for Jewish people.
    Sounds a bit like, Carsons decleration of A Protestant State for a Protestant people, in reference to the newly created statelet of Northern Ireland almost a hundred years ago.
    That he and his tribe, were relative newcomers also and had in fact dispossesed those whom the land rightfully belonged too.
    But getting back to Israel, despite massive immigration from Russia, The US and most Arab lands, there is still emmigration, mostly to the US.
    But the biggest fear is the difference in the birth rate between Israeli born Palestinians and Jews, which is similar to the situation in Northern Ireland, where loyalists are destined, due do demographics, to become outnumbered by nationalists.
    I have to say once again i believe it’s possible for reconciliation and a one state fits all solution.
    But as GS sez,
    What about them crazy religious fanatics!

  111. 111
    avatar mindshaft says:

    Think you’ll find we started all that head chopping in the name of god business – during the crusades we used to chop them off then catapult them into the towns to show them we meant business
    Typical of Fifa / Uefa to come out with the old no politics in sport line – what they really mean is that they are there for the highest bidder, of course we shouldn’t hold tournaments in countries who are basically at war or renowned for torturing anybody who dares speak out or doesn’t have a free vote

    Anyway…. we desperately need to win tonight although I fear Wigan might play us off the park :(

  112. 112
    avatar GS says:

    Not true mindshaft @111. They would catapult dead people with the plague into cities, it had nothing to do with religion.

  113. 113
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    December 3, 2012 at 6:09 am

    “I find it a bit racist to impose a Jewish State for Jewish people.”

    Chuck, it might be something of a taboo thing to say, I’m not sure, I don’t care, but having a religion which is also an ethnicity will always cause problems.

  114. 114
    avatar workyticket says:

    mindshaft says:
    December 3, 2012 at 10:49 am

    “Typical of Fifa / Uefa to come out with the old no politics in sport line – what they really mean is that they are there for the highest bidder”

    That’s true mindshaft.

  115. 115
    avatar stewpot says:

    blimey… go away for the weekend and in my absence you lot try to sort out the middle east ;)

    i apologise, i only got as far around #50 and then skimmed to the bottom.

    but @113 chuck and worky.

    that’s the point. it isn’t a religious war it’s about one religious race and other people.

    the only solution is the 2-state solution returning the lands stolen from palestine back to sownthing likethe 1947 UN partition plan at the very least.

    can’t see it happening in my lifetime though.

    i am glad our players have showed their support.

  116. 116
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: there are more people on here talking about religion and politics than NUFC :) I’m sorry, I find that funny.

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    avatar TROJAN RECORDS 73 says:

    chuck, when you mentioned, i had said, “these people”, that’s exactly what i meant, “zionists”, to clarify what i posted earlier, being antizionist does not reflect on jewish people as a whole, and in no way an attack on jewish culture, religeon etc.
    every jewish person will have a different opinion on israel and the conflict.
    my twopennith worth, was in response to the way palestinian people are portrayed, in the western media, as being all terrorists.

  118. 118
    avatar workyticket says:

    stewpot says:
    December 3, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    “blimey… go away for the weekend and in my absence you lot try to sort out the middle east”

    stewpot, one of my distant relatives who was one of the people who fecked it up in the first place in the days of the First World War, so perhaps I feel responsible? Still, in death he might be the man who helps to find a cure for influenza so he has a chance to redeem himself.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 3, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    “Worky: there are more people on here talking about religion and politics than NUFC :) I’m sorry, I find that funny.”

    Well I did this story because no-one else was covering it so perhaps that has something to do with it too? I also I know that quite a few Yanks like you check out this site, and Israel and Palestine is a very important subject for Americans whether they realise it or not. And yes, it is a subject which is very close to my heart too.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    TROJAN RECORDS 73 says:
    December 3, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    “my twopennith worth, was in response to the way palestinian people are portrayed, in the western media, as being all terrorists.”

    How else do you fight F-16s and Merkava tanks Trojan?

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky says @119:

    “I also I know that quite a few Yanks like you check out this site”

    :) Seaton Burn, America, USA!!! USA, USA.

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    avatar TROJAN RECORDS 73 says:

    aye worky one side has all the hardware, the other side has slings, stones, and firework rockets.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Worky
    So you are claiming your distant relative, had an infuence on the dicovery of the cure for Influenza ?
    Sorry, cant resist a pun.
    For those who dont get it, the term influenza came from the Italian, under the influence.
    Actually under the influence of the stars.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Very funny Chuck. He died in the Spanish flu epidemic of 1918 after signing the Sykes Picot agreement a few years earlier. As he was an aristo with a family vault, he was laid to rest in a very fancy lead lined sarcophagus which kept him in a better state than your average dead gadgie, so that probably the reason why they are using him for samples. My side of the family, my great grandfather on my mother’s side ran away from a life of privilege to join the circus and become a trapeze artist though! :-(

    Not alot of people know that the great ‘flu epidemic of 1918 killed over five times as many people in Europe as the whole of the First World War! 1918 was undoubtedly one of the worst years in history to be around in Europe, apart from the whole of the 14th Century (the Black Death and a hundred years of war).

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    avatar chuck says:

    Worky

    Yeah, the usual UK or US history taught, leaves out in many cases, the more important events that took place at specific times or eras.
    Presently reading an interesting book you may be familiar with “1493″ by Charles C. Mann .
    It’s basically about what he decribes as the Columbian Exchanges, the actual exchanges between the newly discovered western hemisphere and the consiquent historical results in it’s dealings with both Europe and Asia.
    In regard to wealth, immigration, disease, crops, animals, politics,ethnicity, etc, etc.
    A fascinating study, with some astounding revelations.

    Your revelation that many more died because of a flu. epedemic in post WW1 Europe, is similar to that era in history, the mid nineteenth century.
    When asked about the era of the 1860′s most Americans will mention the US Cival War as the most devastating event, with military casualties estimated at over 600,000.
    While few had heard of the “Dungan Revolt” which took place in China, which had estimated total casualties of over fifteen million, includind civilians.
    Like Tip O’Niells, all politics is local, so is most of he history tough.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Taught!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    December 3, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    “When asked about the era of the 1860′s most Americans will mention the US Cival War as the most devastating event, with military casualties estimated at over 600,000.
    While few had heard of the “Dungan Revolt” which took place in China, which had estimated total casualties of over fifteen million, includind civilians.”

    It’s the same With WW2 and the Second Sino Japanese war which started in 1937 Chuck. Tens of millions were killed in that one too, and the Japanese inflicted the same kind of atrocities on the Chinese as the germans committed over in Europe. Of course, everyone’s heard about the “Holocaust” yet next to no-one outside of China and Japan knows about the other one over there. Having written that the worst atrocity of all in China was the Cultural Revolution.

    I’ll investigate that book Chuck.

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