Manchester City vs Newcastle United full match video, highlights and interviews

Manchester City v Newcastle United full match video

Manchester City v Newcastle United full match video (opens in new window).

Match highlights.

Highlights from this afternoon’s game between Manchester City and Newcastle United from the City of Manchester Stadium.

Alternative highlights.

Post match interviews.

Pardew bemoans coming up against a really good City team today and not being aggressive enough in the first half. However, he saw positive signs in the second half and assures fans he will have some top players back for Benfica.

“Todaya we maka de good performance” says Mancini.

Score and goalscorers.

Manchester City 4 (Tevez 40, Silva 45+2, Kompany 55, Y.Toure 69), Newcastle United 0 ().

Teams and match facts.

Manchester City (4-3-3-1): Joe Hart (G), Pablo Zabaleta, Vincent Kompany (C, Javier Garcia 72), Joleon Lescott, Gael Clichy, Gareth Barry, Yaya Toure, David Silva, Samir Nasri (Sergio Aguero 70), Carlos Tevez, Edin Dzeko.

Subs: Costel Pantilmon (G), Kolo Toure, Aleksandar Kolarov, Javi Garcia, James Milner, Scott Sinclair, Sergio Aguero.

Newcastle United (4-2-3-1): Rob Elliot (G), Danny Simpson, Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, Steven Taylor, Jonas Gutierrez, Vurnon Anita, Yohan Cabaye (C, Gael Bigirimana 73), Yoan Gouffran (Dan Gosling 62), Moussa Sissoko, Gabriel Obertan (James Perch HT), Papiss Cisse.

Subs: Steve Harper (G), Curtis Good, James Perch, Gael Bigirimana, Dan Gosling, Sylvain Marveaux, Adam Campbell.

Yellow cards: Vurnon Anita (26), Yohan Cabaye (28),

Red cards: None.

Referee: Neil Swarbrick (Lancs.)

Attendance: 47,201.

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89 Responses to “Manchester City vs Newcastle United full match video, highlights and interviews”

  1. 1
    avatar Paul in Hollywood says:

    Pardew seems to have had a bit more pluck and fighting spirit with that beard. Now he’s reverted to playing it safe with his old look and the team. Bland.

  2. 2
    avatar workyticket says:

    Paul in Hollywood says:
    March 31, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    “Pardew seems to have had a bit more pluck and fighting spirit with that beard.”

    Paul, don’t you remember last season when he went all “Christmas Tree” formation and the team would play some entertaining and expansive football, go up by a couple of goals then he’d go back into his shell again. Then, he just when back to his Reading style football again because he just can’t help himself.

  3. 3
    avatar Paul in Hollywood says:

    I think Pardew, at a deeper psychological level, is conscious of being a looser. His greatest claim is taking WHU to the FA Cup final, but they lost. He has been repeatedly sacked as a manager. He is still looking for deep down confidence within himself built on an inner strength.

    But maybe I’m saying this from the la-la land of Hollywood where psycho-babble is never far away. But he needs to win something, and he needs to be able to keep doing it because he understands the formula to make it happen, rather than the pleasantries of keeping everyone happy. A tough ask, I do admit, and maybe a particularly tough ask of Alan Pardew.

  4. 4
    avatar GS says:

    I am looking for a bit of hope and looked at our wins this season – we have nine.

    The first five were Spurs, Norwich, West Brom, Wigan and QPR. The only one that was convincing was Wigan where they had a man sent off.

    Since the new Frenchies came in we beat Villa, Chelsea, Southampton and Stoke and played pretty well in all those games except the second half against Villa.

    We should be OK.

  5. 5
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    paulo di canio sunderland’s new head coach, that should make for an interesting time.

  6. 6
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    paolo di canio sorry

  7. 7
    avatar GS says:

    Swindon are 4th in league 1 (3rd division) and have won 2 of their last 8. This is a big gamble.

  8. 8
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    no doubt the bloke is shall we say eccentric, i still think he has what it takes to manage at the top.
    he has done a good job at swindon in difficult circumstances, and even used his own money to pay for loan deals, so he has the passion.
    i liked the way he handled the goalkeeper, when he reacted badly to being sent off.
    he doesn’t take any s**t from anyone, and a few backsides will be kicked.
    if nothing else it will be fASCinating to watch the thing unfold.
    the mad get is liable to do a graeme souness style, and try sticking a sunderland flag into the centre circle, during the derby.

  9. 9
    avatar workyticket says:

    Paul in Hollywood says:
    March 31, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    “I think Pardew, at a deeper psychological level”

    Paul, there’s no point psychoanalysing Pardew, though I know you like that sort of thing over there. He doesn’t have a deeper psychological level, he’s as shallow as f**k.

  10. 10
    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    March 31, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    “paulo di canio sunderland’s new head coach, that should make for an interesting time.”

    :lol: Mussolini in Sumderland. It’s like a Monty Python sketch. He’s barking mad.

  11. 11
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    David Milliband’s principles won’t allow him to continue on the Sunderland board now that the club’s appointed a self-confessed fascist as manager:

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/david-miliband-quits-sunderland-over-manger-204445515.html#t3NRayl

    Nothing to do with the fact that he’s just accepted a highly paid position overseas, of course.

  12. 12
    avatar chuck says:

    Worky
    Yeah in retrospect you are right in regard to Moyes, but the recent threat of refusing to sign a new contract, just happened to co-incide with hopefully Pardew joining Martin O’N. in the unemployment line.
    Both justified IMO, never really rated M. O’N.either.

    Listen, any one but Pardew, i would even accept the fascist Di Canio, whom i heard would get the job yesterday.
    It’s certainly a long shot IMO, but you cant say the cnut lacks in passion and may just light a fire under a passionless Sunderland teams ass.

    Though i do believe Moyes is decent, given my drothers i can think of others i would prefer.

    I touted Clarke while a coach at Chelsea and still think he’s one of the best of British managers, doing a good job at West Brom. and will i believe move up to a money side eventually.

    De Boer appears may be on his way to the EPL, one of the younger Dutch group of managers, the Hiddinks and others, getting a bit long in the tooth.

    Actually even though i would like to see Pardew go,i
    cant see it happening, it would force Ashley to admit he was wrong and also believe he is unwilling like Abramovich to cede any control, just the way he is.

  13. 13
    avatar Paul in Hollywood says:

    workyticket says:

    “Paul, there’s no point psychoanalysing Pardew… He doesn’t have a deeper psychological level, he’s as shallow as f**k.”

    Regrettably, I suspect you are right, Worky. Football, after all, is a thinking man’s game.

  14. 14
    avatar GS says:

    Chuck: Ashley is as fickle as f@ck, he makes rash decisions and then stands behind them for a while. Wise, Keegan, Shearer and others had his support until they didn’t.

    Who is to know how long Pardew will last?

  15. 15
    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    April 1, 2013 at 12:42 am

    “Nothing to do with the fact that he’s just accepted a highly paid position overseas, of course.”

    You mean working for this lot Darth?

  16. 16
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    he’s still on the learning curve is mike ashley.
    him and derek are starting to get some things right, in running the club, but they seem to still be remiss, when it comes to the management role.
    the set up they have in place, basically has no place for a generic steeped in the past dinosaur, like alan pardew.
    i suppose it will come as another painful lesson, they will have to learn.
    the players we have, need to be let of the leash more, instead of this running scared, containment, and counter attack, that el gobs***e likes.

  17. 17
    avatar workyticket says:

    Live from the Stadium of Light – Paulo di Canio is introduced to the fans:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOv-Ncs7vQk

  18. 18
    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    April 1, 2013 at 11:31 am

    “he’s still on the learning curve is mike ashley.
    him and derek are starting to get some things right, in running the club”

    Which bits have they started to get right Joe?

  19. 19
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    worky, i would say they have got the recruitment side right, then again was it not hughton who brought carr in.
    i suppose they are getting the finances in order, and the club isn’t being run on the never never, during the shepherd and hall years.
    in the last couple of windows, at least they haven’t sold off the family silver, and they are looking to retain the services of the better players.
    the plan to sign young hungry players is a good idea, so you have to give them that.

    they have made a litany of mistakes, and i’m still far from convinced by them, but they are not as much as a disaster, as i first thought.
    they dropped a right bollock in the summer, with the lack of strengthening.
    the biggest mistake for me was the appointment of alan pardew, let alone the 8 contract crap.
    lets just see what they do within the next couple of years, and it could be worse, we could have ended up with venky’s, as owners.

  20. 20
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    and i forgot about the wonga deal, which was a liberty, oh f**k it, they are s**t lol.

  21. 21
    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    April 1, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    “worky, i would say they have got the recruitment side right, then again was it not hughton who brought carr in.”

    Aye, Ashley’s solution was to bring in Wise, Vetere and Jimenez, with Hughton having to sort the mess with Graham Carr after Wise was let go.

    “i suppose they are getting the finances in order, and the club isn’t being run on the never never, during the shepherd and hall years.”

    It was Andy Carroll who got the finances in order and Graham Carr who got us the new players Joe, not Ashley.

    Things Ashley and Llambias can take credit for are relegation, a second rate academy, falling commercial revenue due to Sports Direct, and sacking Hughton then bringing in Alan Pardew to “take us to the next level,” 15th.

    “the plan to sign young hungry players is a good idea, so you have to give them that.”

    That depends on the pplayers Joe. Xisco? Nacho? Obertan?

    “it could be worse, we could have ended up with venky’s, as owners.”

    The difference with the Venkys is that they haven’t had people like Hughton and Carr, as well as the big fanbase to pull them out of the shit caused by their questionable decisionmaking.

  22. 22
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: what’s your opinion of Di Canio?

  23. 23
    avatar GS says:

    Pardew is now denying he said we were basically safe after the Stoke game:

    http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2013/04/01/alan-pardew-no-let-up-in-europa-league-glory-bid-61634-33096063/2/

    I don’t have the quotes but I think he definitely implied it even if he did bring up “40 points”.

  24. 24
    avatar GS says:

    One thing I did notice in the first half Saturday was Elliot hoofing it a lot more. Perhaps he was pressured more by City than other teams but every goal kick was a blast up the middle as well.

  25. 25
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    April 1, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    “Worky: what’s your opinion of Di Canio?”

    My opinion is that he’s a Fascist, GS. I haven’t watched Swindon very much, I have to draw the line somewhere.

    GS says:
    April 1, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    “Pardew is now denying he said we were basically safe after the Stoke game:”

    When asked about the relegation struggle after the last Stoke game, Pardew replied:

    “That’s done, we won’t worry about that now.”

    How many times did we worry about relegation before Ashley bought the club? Souness was probably the closest and we ended that season in seventh and in Europe thanks to Glenn Roeder.

  26. 26
    avatar GS says:

    It is cold day in hell. John Gibson writes a piece that makes sense and basically sums up what has been said on here:

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/john-gibson-more-away-day-2492225

    Although he doesn’t explicitly blame Pardew.

  27. 27
    avatar GS says:

    Worky @25: I thought you would have seen more than me. We really don’t get any lower league football here.

    My opinion – one more reason to hate Sunderland.

  28. 28
    avatar GS says:

    @26, maybe it is an April Fool and the real John Gibson will be back later.

  29. 29
    avatar workyticket says:

    If they ever put on a production of Dickens’s “A Christmas Carol” up there, Gibbo would make an excellent Ebenezer Scrooge.

  30. 30
    avatar chuck says:

    Hmm ! some cracks in the so called (everyone in the dressing room is on the same page, happy talk )

    I recall when Colo. questioned Pardews tactics and the resulting cold shoulder given to him, as he rushed out to pat him on the back, following the final whistle.

    Apparently it’s the new would be (and should be) captain, Cabaye, who in an interview with a French media outfit, (diplomatically) complained (a french invention)
    at the same time defusing his complaint by adding “everyone played poorly”.
    He obviously not entirely happy with Pardews tactical plan.

    But every Newcastle fan, after watching for the first ten minutes, just knew it was going to be one of those days.

    Actually i believe the stats credit us with one shot on goal, tells the entire story.

    Alan Pardew = master tactician !

    Another story is we are attempting to sign the young French defender Mamadou Sakho, who’s contract at PSG runs out this summer.

    The last evaluation i heard placed on him was in the region of fifteen million (cant remember if it was sterling or Euro’s)
    Of course we want him on a free, yeah right!

    Anyway, he apparently is not getting any games and is concerned about his International career, ergo is looking at the PL as the answer (big money and could start on any number of sides) with both NUFC and L’pool.
    interested.

    Another interesting buy mentioned was Taarabt at QPR, who i’m sure if his side are relegated, would consider a move to stay in the PL.

    A Morrocan midfielder, similar to HBA, except bigger and stronger, the unfortunate thing is, he is considered like HBA, a bit of an “infant terrible”.
    But IMO would be an excellent buy.

    Though price when compared with French players, could be a consideration.
    On the other hand a proven PL player.

    Oh ! by the way this is all based on our avoiding the drop, which is still a major concern, contrary to the great tacticians opinion, given recently, that it’s no longer a consideration.

  31. 31
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    workyticket says:
    April 1, 2013 at 10:07 am

    “You mean working for this lot Darth?”

    Aye, worky. When I heard the name, I did wonder :)

    A pity his ‘principles’ wouldn’t allow him to do both jobs (if you can call either a job).

    They could have changed the name of The Stadium of Shite to Tracy Island.

  32. 32
    avatar chuck says:

    And oh! if QPR were to be relegated, there’s also Jr. Hoilett, can play either wing or as a second striker, got pace and goascoring ability.

    Someone else, is the ex Citeh RB Onuoha, perfect cover for DeBuchy, with all three (including Taarabt) fitting into the age cap, plus PL experienced.

    Question is would the billionaire owners allow them to leave (Fernandez and Mittal) or do what Ashley did and keep everyone hoping for a one season return to the money league.
    Something to check out!

  33. 33
    avatar workyticket says:

    Apparently, since Paulo di Canio was announced as the new Sunderland manager, all the trains and buses on Wearside have started showing up on time.

  34. 34
    avatar chuck says:

    And the mosquito swamps around the Wear have been cleared up.

    But seriously folks, why would anyone want to see Sunderland relegated, when it’s the toughest ticket of the season, the one game everyone wants to see ?
    Hell, i would also like to see the Smoggies back in the PL, all three major NE sides in fact.
    It’s all about local bragging rights, innit ?
    Or would anyone prefer to watch sides like Reading or Stoke ?

  35. 35
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    April 1, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    “And the mosquito swamps around the Wear have been cleared up…”

    “Or would anyone prefer to watch sides like Reading or Stoke ?”

    We watch a side like Reading and Stoke every week anyway Chuck, Pardew’s Newcastle United. :P

    And the whole of Wearside is a swamp.

  36. 36
    avatar GS says:

    I don’t know if Chuck or tunyc would agree but I get the feeling over here that the Italians are given a free pass for their part in WW2. Does Di Canio get a free pass because Mussolini wasn’t quite as bad as Hitler?

    I read Di Canio’s Wikipedia page and he seems to be backtracking a bit on the fascism and now believes he is a samurai.

  37. 37
    avatar tunyc says:

    I think that’s the same everywhere, GS. Italians are seen as the bumbling junior partner. In reality Mussolini was Hitler’s role model/mentor. Their by-and-large ineffective military resistance also helps them. Allied vets have stark memories of facing serious shit against German forces. Against Italians, not so much.

    Then again, as reception of recent political developments shows, most Americans actually don’t have a problem with Corporatism in principle. It’s the genocide that keeps the Germans eternally in the public opinion shithouse.

    What’s ridiculous is the handwringing to try and reify the idea that Di Canio might NOT be a fascist. He stated so, clearly and publicly.

  38. 38
    avatar tunyc says:

    GS @ 26: read that piece by Gibson. Noted he called out Obertan specifically, once for being preferred to Marveaux and again for having a hand in allowing the second goal. Fair verdict?

  39. 39
    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    April 1, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    “Allied vets have stark memories of facing serious shit against German forces. Against Italians, not so much.”

    It took minutes to polish them off in the deserts of North Africa. The Nazi’s had to send in Rommel and he was a slightly trickier proposition though.

  40. 40
    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    April 1, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    “Then again, as reception of recent political developments shows, most Americans actually don’t have a problem with Corporatism in principle.”

    I would guess that most Americans are completely clueless as to what Corporatism actually is, tunyc? Most people are and would probably guess it was something to do with unfettered big business rather than something approaching the opposite.

  41. 41
    avatar GS says:

    Is Di Canio confusing Corporatism with Fascism? If you look at the following characteristics/definition of fascism it would be hard to ever defend being a fascist.

    http://rense.com/general37/fascism.htm

    How can you not know what you are doing when you make that salute even when certain sections of the crowd embrace it?

    Weren’t Mussolini’s and Hitler’s regimes a total corruption of something (corporatism) that started out as something else?

    If Di Canio does identify with the definition of fascism above then Sunderland should be ashamed of themselves.

  42. 42
    avatar GS says:

    A bit of background on Di Canio’s fascism. I didn’t realise he did the Lazio salute when he was 35. I thought he might have had the excuse that he was young and stupid.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100209856/paolo-di-canio-is-a-fascist-time-to-boycott-sunderland/

  43. 43
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS, I haven’t read that link you posted, but in general that rense.com is a hangout for conspiracy nutters and has posted many millions of words worth of utter shit in the past.

  44. 44
    avatar GS says:

    Please, anybody that goes to the Sunderland match sing “Paolo, Paolo give us a wave”.

  45. 45
    avatar GS says:

    Worky @43, it is not their opinion piece it a quote from a professor. The other stuff may have been conspiracy cr@p but this doesn’t appear to be.

  46. 46
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: I just looked up the Wikipedia definition of fascism and it is very close to the one on that rense.com site. In this case it is not conspiracy theory. I would apologize if it was as I don’t want to pollute your blog with that sort of thing.

  47. 47
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    April 1, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    “Worky @43, it is not their opinion piece it a quote from a professor.”

    It says “Dr” in front of his name suggesting that he either has a PhD on something from somewhere or he’s an Medic, but what does that prove?

  48. 48
    avatar GS says:

    Worky @47, that’s why I posted a comment @46 saying I had checked he wasn’t way out of the mainstream view.

  49. 49
    avatar workyticket says:

    “Fascist” comes from “fasces,” an Etruscan-Roman symbol of the power to judge. It was a bundle of rods with an axe head sticking out.

    Proper Fascism is Italian and very Neo-Roman.

  50. 50
    avatar workyticket says:

    Dr.Ian Paisley is a “Doctor” too. He bought his Doctorate from that America. They sell ‘em over there.

  51. 51
    avatar GS says:

    I am looking at the generally accepted current interpretation. If Paolo wants to get a doctorate from the University of Phoenix and write a paper on the differences I will read it. Until then I will assume that when he says he is a fascist he means in the Mussolini sense.

  52. 52
    avatar tunyc says:

    The “fasces” was just the bundle of rods-Roman symbol of civil authority, i.e., the authority to punish for crime such as with a flogging. The axes represent the plenary authority of military leaders, especially outside the city walls, which included the right to have recalcitrant soldiers summarily executed. Polybius tells us what was done to Roman deserters. Not pretty.

    From what I’ve read corporatism v fascism is a distinction without difference. The essence is that the power of the state is bent to the benefit of the associates of the theoretical custodians of state power. You know, like requiring people to buy health insurance from for-profit private companies (who just happen to employee many former and future policitians and who make large contributions to the campaigns of sitting politicians) under threat of a tax penalty.

  53. 53
    avatar chuck says:

    The Fasces is a symbol that indicates one arrow can easily be broken, but many to-gether can not.
    Symbolic of the strength of unity an old pre Roman symbol, possibly Etruscan.
    Which was adopted my wor Benito as the name of his new political system, having given up on socialism.

  54. 54
    avatar GS says:

    Well, at the risk of doing a Pardew it looks like Reading and QPR are done.

  55. 55
    avatar GS says:

    Here:

    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Fascism

    Maybe Di Canio thinks of himself as a nationalist/patriot in the same way the BNP do? If he knows what he is talking about then he is not really a very nice person. If he doesn’t know what he is talking about and calls himself a fascist and does the salute to associate himself with parts of the Lazio fanbase, then he is an idiot. Either way I wouldn’t want him as manager of my team.

  56. 56
    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    April 1, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    “The “fasces” was just the bundle of rods-Roman symbol of civil authority, i.e., the authority to punish for crime such as with a flogging. The axes represent the plenary authority of military leaders, especially outside the city walls, which included the right to have recalcitrant soldiers summarily executed. Polybius tells us what was done to Roman deserters. Not pretty.”

    True, I did mean to write “sometimes” (honest) as I’ve read that, but every time I’ve seen an illustration of one it always has an axe head or part of an axe head. Your knowledge on that subject seems to be greater on than my own on that though.

    Corporatism is a BIG subject which has become corrupted in various ways with subtleties which don’t lend themselves to being defined easily in blog comments, more a full scale essay with examples. Of course, it could be said that all of the so called “Western world” is corporatist to some degree or other.

    At it’s most basic though, State Corporatism is government by large interest groups who each protect the interests of their members and we all know how that gets corrupted, you certainly do.

    My comment to you above about corporatism could be misleading too, though most people always tend to associate “Corporation” with a big business, as you know it could also be a trade union or many other different kinds of groups.

  57. 57
    avatar GS says:

    I just looked at comments on the Sunderland Blog “Salut Sunderland”. An appropriate name now, I would suggest.

  58. 58
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    April 1, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    “Here:

    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Fascism

    Well, the most important and enlightening bit of that is the bit from the man himself, Mussolini.

    “Anti-individualistic, the fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only insofar as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal will of man as a historic entity…. The fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value…. Fascism is therefore opposed to that form of democracy which equates a nation to the majority, lowering it to the level of the largest number…. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the ‘right’, a Fascist century. If the nineteenth century was the century of the individual we are free to believe that this is the ‘collective’ century, and therefore the century of the State.”

    Daft bastard.

  59. 59
    avatar GS says:

    Regardless of the origins and definitions can we agree that fascism as it manifested itself in Italy and Germany was a bad thing. Associating yourself with that is probably not smart. The distinction between a German Nazi as overtly racist and Italian fascist as not overtly racist is meaningless. Their policies were both racist.

    And weren’t the Lazio fans just banned for abusing black players? I am not saying that is Di Canio’s fault or that he can predict the future but he knew what that salute meant.

    When you look into it, even a little bit, it is pretty indefensible to call yourself a fascist in this day and age.

  60. 60
    avatar GS says:

    Worky @58: you know the way it is Schalke 04, I think the Mackems are changing their name to Sunderland 1984.

  61. 61
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    April 1, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    “Symbolic of the strength of unity an old pre Roman symbol, possibly Etruscan.”

    Definitely Etruscan, Chuck.

    Tunyc, I’ve just looked it up in a book and several reliable internet sources.

    In the original Etruscan version it was a thinner bundle with a double axe head. In the Roman version it was a thicker bundle with a single axe head. However in Rome itself, the only people who could carry them with the axeheads were Dictators and Generals who were celebrating a military triumph.

  62. 62
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    April 1, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    “The distinction between a German Nazi as overtly racist and Italian fascist as not overtly racist is meaningless. Their policies were both racist.”

    It evolved GS. Of course, Hitler and Nazism is known amongst other things for it’s rabid, psychopathic antisemitism right from the very start. However with Italian fascism it kind of got worse as it went along, especially after Mussolini was tied as very much a junior partner with Hitler in the Axis powers when big war was on the horizon. Racism as in institutional discrimination against African and other so called non Aryan races kind of tagged along behind the Antisemitism.

    The real Aryans were northern Indians FFS. Freddy Mercury was a real Aryan of Parsee parentage.

  63. 63
    avatar GS says:

    Nice man!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/apr/01/paolo-di-canio-fascism-sunderland

    All of the campaigns they have about kicking racism out of football etc. seem empty when they don’t hold this man to account for his views. If he didn’t and doesn’t know the meaning of his words and actions let him say so. He is hiding behind saying he doesn’t want to talk about politics.

    As I have said his salute was when he was 35 in 2005.

    I don’t hate Sunderland. Most of it on my part is just having a bit of fun with the clichés and the fact that I have never visited the place except to see a pantomime. I will despise them though unless Di Canio clarifies his views and stops hiding behind empty platitudes, such as “some of my best friends are black”.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS, do you remember when every single boorish bigot back here in the UK would start off his spiel with “I’m not a racialist (always “racialist,” never “racist”) BUT…”

    John Cleese captured it perfectly in Monty Python’s Hitler in Minehead sketch.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmGknvr_Pg

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    avatar GS says:

    I would have thought Chuck would have weighed in more as he was probably involved in the war. But then I remembered fascism wasn’t that big during the First World War and he was probably only in the home guard for the second world war under an assumed name – Private Frasier.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Fascism did’nt exist as a politcal theory or organization during WW1.
    Fascism was the brainchild of wor Benito.
    It quickly spread to countries where there conflict existed between an active socialist government in the case of Spain and an anti fascist movement, such as in Germany.

    Who knows why, but wor Benito started out as a socialist teacher and ended up as a leader of a movement that was diametrically opposed to socialism.

    A power hungry , strutting, self absorbed buffoon, who had a vision of re incarnating an Imperial Rome.

    Yes both Franco’s Spain and Nazi Germany were described as Fascist, but it was a misnomer in both cases, even though they observed the trappings and salutes etc.

    Spain and Franco was the result of a reactionary governing class, combined with the catholic church, which was used primarily as a symbol of old Spain, as opposed to a godless socialistic/communist anti -religous group, looking to destroy the church and disestablish the wealthy landowning and titled classes.

    To which there was a certain amount of truth.
    But Fascism, no!

    As for Germany, blaming everything on both the victors of WW1 and the scapegoated Jews, actually had little to do with Fascism, but they did’nt reject the label.

    The fact is Germany had reverted to the Germany of Roman times, seeing themselves as a warrior race who had it not been for the Romans penning them east of the Rhine, would have invaded Gaul, much as Julius Ceaser had done.
    Lebensraum, was the cry!

    The Teutons, which includes the Vikings, were racist in nature and believed in taking what they wanted from those they considered inferior, which was certainly everyone other than themselves.
    Fascists not really, racists definately.

    I had to laugh to-day when reading how the Germans dont understand, having loaned billions of Euros to those worthless suothern tier Europeans (with rather severe conditions i might add) why they are not loved.

    Are there countries to-day that are fascist in nature ?
    I would say perhaps the most unlikely of all Russia, though there are still a number of dyed in the wool communists left.

    They also have more Neo-Nazis than Germany, as do a number of former east Europen communist regimes, why ?
    One of the strange anomolies that has taken place in Europe since the Great Patriotic war of the forties.
    We are a flawed species and a bit crazy!

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    avatar GS says:

    I wonder if the student that got jailed for 56 days for racist twitter remarks about a footballer or the fan who was banned for throwing a banana at Gareth Bale think it is fair for Di Canio to get a high profile job. Everybody knows what a Nazi salute is and whether it historically was Roman and Lazio is in Rome makes no difference whatsoever.

    He has shown no remorse, issued no apology and no explanation of why he thinks it is OK to be a fascist. He lived in England long enough to know it is not acceptable to say you are a fascist there.

    That’s probably enough on Di Canio from me. I needed something to take my mind off our possible relegation and abysmal display against City :)

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    aye, and was king offa not racist, when he built the dyke?
    lol
    there should be a new word for the 21st century, “fascist-corpratism”, of “corporate-fascism”, people like milliband and cameron have a cheek calling anyone else.
    these people are involed in social engineering, and eugenics imo.
    paolo di canio was a fully fledged member of the irriducibili ultra lazio firm.
    there can be no doubt that they are racist, as i’ve heard from their own leaders, in a documentary.
    they were talking about italy never becoming a mongrel nation, like the uk or france.
    was italy not conquered by the moors, and a lot of raping and pilliging went on.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    pillaging sorry.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Joe Hawkins
    Yes there was an early conquest of Cicily by the Moors, a generic name for those living along the northern coast of Africa.
    Though the Ottomans later conqured Cicily, also the Normans, but then just about everyone over-ran Cicily at some time or other.
    Whereas the Moorish conquest of Spain, a relationship that lasted around eight hundred years, resulting in a golden age of learning and developement, in the sciences, navigation,mathematics,astronomy, poetry, archtecture, agriculture, etc.
    Interesting enough following the reconquista, both Jews and Moors were expelled from Spain.
    But just this year as an apology, the Spanish government, gave the right to Spanish citizenship to all who could prove they were the decendants of the the Sephardim, or former Spanish Jews, who mostly ended up in both North Africa and The Ottoman Empire, speaking a language (ladino) which still exists to-day.
    Nice of them after over five hundred years, doncha
    think ?
    However the same offer was never extended to those the Spanish commonly refered to as Moros, a Spanish word cosidered pejorative by many.
    The term Moor from the Roman “Mauri”
    I suppose they could deal with a certain number of Jewsish citizens, who i would imagine have the right to residency, but to give citezenship to most Morrocans and others was too much to ask.
    By the way is’nt this supposedly a football blog ?

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    chuck, that’s why racism is f**kin’ stupid, because everyone comes from everywhere, and the italians are going to look daft calling people of different ethnicity, when there own background was mixed.

    apparently pardew has promised, “a lisbon lift”, i wonder if he’s installing it himself?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    April 2, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    “apparently pardew has promised, “a lisbon lift”, i wonder if he’s installing it himself?”

    Hughton would have to come back and install that Joe, as he was the only Newcastle manager who’s also a qualified lift installer. Pardew’s a glazer so he could only put the windows in.

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    avatar chuck says:

    If it all goes wrong (Hopefully not) and we end up in the second tier.
    How bout a poll to see who the faithfull would chooose as Pardews successor
    Aint gonna get Morinho, so pick a possibility candidate.
    I mean where did Andre Villas-Boas (AVB) and Mauricio Pochettino suddenly appear from.
    Some must have favorite younger guys playing good football and managing in the second tier and that gold mine of managers Scotland.
    (Too bad they dont produce good players anymore)
    Holland has always produced decent managers, as have many continental clubs.
    Someone who we can all agree on, who would in fact deserve an eight year deal.

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    avatar GS says:

    Why do we have to go down to sack Pardew? Abramovich is always firing people for underachieving.

    How about persuading Juup Heynckes not to retire? He’s 3 years younger than Ferguson.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    GS says:
    April 2, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    “Why do we have to go down to sack Pardew?”

    What makes you think he’d get the sack if we go down, GS?

    ;-)

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    avatar GS says:

    They have to at least sack Carver. Maybe that is scapegoating, but we haven’t scored from a corner in how long?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    April 2, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    “They have to at least sack Carver. Maybe that is scapegoating, but we haven’t scored from a corner in how long?”

    Why is that Carver’s fault, GS?

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky @77: because isn’t he first team coach and at least partly responsible for practicing of and strategy at set pieces? It is the player’s responsibility to execute, I know, but there also may be a problem with the set up.

    Are you saying Pardew doesn’t delegate anything and every part of our game that misfires is his fault and only his? I blame him for poor team selection and negative tactics and substitutions. But I think there is more blame to go around this season and I think Carver deserves some.

    Maybe he is just following orders as Di Canio would say.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    The bundle of sticks with the axe head(s) protruding is the combined symbol of full authority in Rome, thus dictators and consuls in their appointed field could carry them. And yes, they could be carried in the city during a general’s triumph; that was one of the unique and visible honors of a triumph. Of course, the imperator claimed that authority (and many others as well) but that was a usurpation authority. Of course you all are right that the symbol predates the Romans and is almost certainly one of many things picked up from Etruria.

    To append to something GS says, not only do I not “hate” Sunderland, I certainly do not “hate” the presumably decent majority of their supporters. I certainly applaud and support the Durham Miners Association for asking for their banner back as they don’t care to support a fascist…

    By the way, not sure about Teutons being “racist”. In the sense we mean it today, the Romans invented racism. Understandably, too, as they weren’t wrong to think that it might be best to treat people differently who look completely different from you. From there…well, the rest is a lot of the history of western civilization. Germanic people had very little conception of peoples different from them because unlike the Romans, they didn’t venture much out of their ancestral homelands except to migrate due to population pressure.

    Rounding off, if we go down this time it’s gonna be an absolute disaster and I really don’t know how the club will recover-AP or not. Also, GS & worky: AP has made stated that the offensive tactics (which I assume includes set pieces) are handled by Carver. Frankly, I’d like to see them all gone and let someone (anyone who’s not a Fascist/Nazi) bring in their own staff.

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    avatar GS says:

    tunyc: I read on another website (Football365) that the salute is not even ancient Roman in origin. It said it was from a 19 Century French painting (of Caesar I think)and THEN adopted in Rome. You seem to know a lot about this subject, can you confirm or deny this?

    I don’t know why I care, there just seems to be a lot of misinformation out there on the subject.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    That’s one of my areas of expertees, GS. I’m an ex Artist and ex Art dealer.

    It’s David’s “the Oath of the Horatii,” It’s a very famous masterpiece and I’ve seen it for real a few times in Paris. There is no evidence of Roman origins re the Roman salute but it’s a very good painting.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_the_Horatii

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    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    April 2, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    “To append to something GS says, not only do I not “hate” Sunderland.”

    You’ve obviously never been to Sunderland then, tunyc. :-)

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    avatar GS says:

    Thanks Worky @81: I have probably seen it, although there is so much stuff in the Louvre it is impossible to see it all in a couple of visits. I am lucky I am tall as I could see over the heads of the throngs at Mona Lisa.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Leornardo was actually better at drawing than he was at painting. His drawings are so full of life yet his paintings are a bit static and wooden. It isn’t worth the bother when there are so many other great paintings in there which don’t have flocks of sheep gawping at them.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Leonardo da Vinci’s paintings such as The Last Supper and Mona Lisa (probably his best known) possibly static and wooden, in your humble opinion ?
    I can only conclude thats the reason you are no longer in the business of buying and selling art.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    GS @ 80: in my classical studies training and leisure reading I’ve never come across any reference to or description of that gesture.

    worky @ 82: guilty as charged. Not in a hurry to do so, either.

    Da Vinci’s works don’t strike me as any more static than other high ren masters. All of their work has a sort of classical severity. That said, LDV’s use of atmospheric perspective and chiaroscuro, while not revolutionary, is absolutely sublime.

    David was one I loved in my younger days. As I age his figures seem to me sharper and his colors more saturated than ideally would be the case. His works also have a deliberate classical severity, which was very much in vogue during and just after the revolution (see, for example, Ingres’ work). (This reminds me of a great book I always recommend, Anatole France’s Les Dieux Ont Soif.) In my gen-ed art history class I was asked to compare & contrast essay the Oath of the Horatii and a Rothko field painting. I nailed it-still one of the best essays I ever wrote in my opinion.

    I’m really enjoying worky’s new art & philosophy blog!

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    avatar tunyc says:

    one last thing: in my humble opinion, Da Vinci’s best work is his portrait of Ginevra da Benci. It’s like a more attractive version of the Gioconda with more interesting framing. For some reason it’s never included in surveys of renaissance art or texts which is strange, considering there are only like 6 paintings by Da Vinci in existence.

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    avatar GS says:

    I should stop reading the Football365 letters. One this morning said we live in a democracy and that guarantees Di Canio free speech. Isn’t the point of Fascism that it is a Dictatorship with control of the media, and didn’t Di Canio ban any journalist that wanted to question his polictics, after he had walked out?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    April 3, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    “there are only like 6 paintings by Da Vinci in existence.”

    About 20, along with a few disputed ones.

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