Manchester United vs Newcastle United full match video, extended highlights and interviews

Manchester United v Newcastle United full match video – First half.

Second half.

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Highlights.

‘Match of the Day’ highlights of the game between Manchester United and Newcastle United at Old Trafford.

Whole Match of the Day show.

Post match interviews.

Alan Pardew’s over the moon, but thinks that poor David Moyes and poor Man U will get the headlines rather than awesome Alan and the magnificaent Magpies.

David Moyes usues the word “transition” alot and hopes things get better.

Score and goalscorers.

Manchester United 0, Newcastle United 1 (Cabaye 61).

Teams and other match facts.

Manchester United (4-4-2): David De Gea (G); Rafael (Antonio Valencia 76), Jonny Evans, Nemanja Vidic (c), Patrice Evra; Nani (Wilfried Zaha 68), Phil Jones, Tom Cleverley (Anderson 70), Adnan Januzaj; Javier Hernandez, Robin Van Persie.

Subs: Anders Lindegaard (G), Rio Ferdinand, Anderson, Antonio Valencia, Ashley Young, Wifried Zaha, Danny Welbeck.

Newcastle United (4-3-3): Tim Krul (G); Mathieu Debuchy, Mike Williamson, Fabricio Coloccini (c), Davide Santon; Vurnon Anita, Cheick Tiote, Yohan Cabaye (Shola Ameobi 78); Moussa Sissoko, Loic Remy, Yoan Gouffran (Hatem Ben Arfa 57).

Subs: Rob Elliot (G), Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, Jonas Gutierrez, Gabriel Obertan, Hatem Ben Arfa, Papiss Cisse, Shola Ameobi.

Yellow cards: Yohan Cabaye (9), Vurnon Anita (90+1).

Red cards: None.

Referee: Andre Marriner.

Attendance: 75,233.

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  1. 1
    avatar TOONARMYELITE says:

    http://prntscr.com/29enk6 tiote made them cry lmao

  2. 2
    avatar chuck says:

    Army

    Yeah Tiote had a decent day, apart from his goal attempts from midfield and overdoing it with the tackles as usual.

    But Debuchy is showing why we went back in for him, with some nice defending, plus he and Sissoko have reached a good understanding on covering one another.

    Plus i expect we will see Sissoko on the RW for the forseeable future, following his near perfect pass for Cabaye’s goal.

    Colo had one of his best performances also.

    Never the less apart from seeing some good football, i expect another Swansea result against Southampton, they will run us into the ground and Pardeux will have no answer.

  3. 3
    avatar TOONARMYELITE says:

    @ chuck
    agree about Debuchy he playing well, also thought the whole team played well meself, but think tiote just shaded Debuchy for motm meself

  4. 4
    avatar TOONARMYELITE says:

    Scumberland also look like they goners to me

  5. 5
    avatar chuck says:

    Worky

    I guess it must be a case of either you dont get my nuances, or see an opportunity to write a boring lecture about what possession football is.
    When i stated “in case you didn’t get it, to-days game was possession”, was no more than a dig at Pardeux, who came out with the statement he instructed the side to play possession football.
    Which along with direct football, gave him a total amount of two differing ways to play.
    As for how to-days game would be best described , a mixture of both long and short balls, but i have to say we are improving with our ability to play a possesion game.
    One reason some under observant fans blame Krul for hoofing it upfield was the fact, Man. U. kept a high line which prevented him from rolling it out to our defenders.
    As for playing those short passing triangles, thats more boring to watch than hoofball.
    However i dont include Swansea or Southampton, who were both very impressive, with their ability to control games.
    Plus it take a physical effort to win games and sometimes
    sides are not willing to put out that effort for the full
    ninety minutes.

  6. 6
    avatar chuck says:

    Army

    Yeah, perhaps you are right, but it’s a tough call these days and i could pick any of four or five.

  7. 7
  8. 8
    avatar TOONARMYELITE says:

    @ chuck
    yeah i know what you mean when you say you could pick 4 or 5 players which bodes well for the rest of the season in my opion

  9. 9
    avatar TOONARMYELITE says:

    who knows if we get a couple of players in jan we could very well gate crash the champions league

  10. 10
    avatar chuck says:

    ARMY
    Yeah but you have to take into account Tiote’s passes are for the most part “ok i won the ball, in which case being i’m not the best distributer in the side, let me get rid of it safely”
    Plus i wouldn’t pay a lot of attention to most scribes who in fact may know less about the game than we do.

  11. 11
    avatar chuck says:

    ARMY

    Hmm! i dont think thats gonna happen, plus i dont think either Pardeux or Ashley, are particularly interested in the uefa cup or whatever they are calling it.

  12. 12
    avatar TOONARMYELITE says:

    @ chuck
    watched the southampton man city game earlier saints are a very decent side, but i think we can give them a good run for there money next week and has a sneaky feeling we will win that game meself.3 points there would put us well in the hunt in my opion

  13. 13
  14. 14
    avatar workyticket says:

    Along with the usual highlights, I did put a whole Match of the Day up again for anyone who missed it yesterday evening. It was a particularly good one.

  15. 15
    avatar workyticket says:

    TOONARMYELITE says:
    December 8, 2013 at 6:36 am

    “@ chuck
    watched the southampton man city game earlier saints are a very decent side, but i think we can give them a good run for there money next week and has a sneaky feeling we will win that game meself.3 points there would put us well in the hunt in my opion”

    Pochettino and Laudrup are my two favourite ‘bright young things’ (or whatever term Chuck uses) in the Premier League. I’ve been a fan of the Ajax-Barcelona method as long as I’ve been into football.

    However, no system is infallible, and playing against them, I wouldn’t necessarily try to mirror their style, they would just be better at it. Oddly enough, though I’ve banged on enough about Pardew and his route one football in the past, I actually think that being direct and sticking two big lads up top is the way to take them on and upset their high line.

    I recall the first time we played Pochettino’s Southampton. They were absolutely murdering us initially but we eventually managed to get round the back of them and ended up beating them 4-2.

    Although I think we were supposed to be a 4-2-3-1, we actually became a defacto 4-4-2 after a while with Cisse and Sissoko up front. Both scored and we also got a home goal and a penalty from Cabaye to make it four.

    Far more recently, Mourinho came to a similar conclusion. Like Pardew, Mourinho doesn’t know quite as much about football as I do, so it took him the first half to figure it out too. Anyway, he stuck Demba Ba on for the second half and had two big lads (Ba and Torres) up top and went more direct, Pardew style. They went from being a goal down to winning 3-1. Here’s what the BBC said about it:

    “The change produced the desired effect.”

    “Suddenly there was urgency and constant threat, as the hosts dominated possession and territory, buoyed by a supportive and passionate Stamford Bridge crowd.”

    “Cahill reacted superbly to bundle in the equaliser, craning his neck to head home after Branislav Ivanovic’s header was turned onto the post by Ba.”

    “And Chelsea found themselves ahead when Cahill’s partner Terry guided a towering near-post header beyond Saints’ replacement keeper Paulo Gazzaniga and into the far corner.”

    “The Londoners looked to seal the win and, with Mata increasingly influential, they probably should have done so sooner than they did.”

    “He almost teed up a simple header for Torres, while Ba went close with a low strike across goal from the left.”

    “Jose Fonte’s mis-kick when well placed in the Blues box was a rare Saints attack in the second half, and Ba finally added the third after a bustling run by Ramires to take Chelsea back to within four points of leaders Arsenal.”

  16. 16
    avatar workyticket says:

    I’ve also noticed that Wanyama is now a key player for Southampton between the centre backs and the midfield. If you can pull him out of shape, it can make make it easier to upset them and their high line.

  17. 17
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: the full match doesn’t play.

    Watching Fulham vs Villa. If Villa don’t pick up, they will be in trouble.

  18. 18
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 8, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    “Worky: the full match doesn’t play.”

    They all play, GS, right through. Either you’re just too impatient to wait 2-3 seconds, or your broadband is shite.

  19. 19
    avatar GS says:

    Worky @18: don’t be like that. I watched the Pardew interview and he was Mr. Charming Pardew.

    I tried to download the full match and it didn’t work. I had it on for like 5 minutes. Broadband is fine.

  20. 20
    avatar GS says:

    It worked now :)

  21. 21
    avatar onetino says:

    Rumours on twatter that cabaye agreed personal terms with man utd after yesterday’s game. Thoughts?

  22. 22
    avatar TOONARMYELITE says:

    @ onetino
    not a chance

  23. 23
    avatar workyticket says:

    onetino says:
    December 8, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    “Rumours on twatter that cabaye agreed personal terms with man utd after yesterday’s game. Thoughts?”

    I think it’s a bag of shite, onetino.

  24. 24
    avatar TOONARMYELITE says:

    <<<<<<<, could start a rumour on twitter meself that we agreed terms for ronaldo after yesterdays game, dont make it true, and any half wit can start a rumour on twitter

  25. 25
    avatar workyticket says:

    The “agreed terms with Man U after the game” makes it sound all wrong for a start, like a crap liar who can’t help taking things a bit too far.

  26. 26
    avatar TOONARMYELITE says:

    @ workyticket
    i hear we agreed terms for van persie after the game yesterday lmao

  27. 27
    avatar TOONARMYELITE says:

    mind i did hear it on twitter lmao

  28. 28
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: it is only the first half.

  29. 29
    avatar GS says:

    Sorry, man. I didn’t scroll down.

  30. 30
    avatar GS says:

    That was the funniest thing. The commentator said to Michael (interesting) Owen that “United” used to play with so much tempo when he was there. He didn’t f@cking play, I think he played less for them than us.

  31. 31
    avatar GS says:

    Does David Moyes define the words dour Scotsman? At least Lord Ferg had a bit of humour.

  32. 32
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 9, 2013 at 11:07 am

    “Does David Moyes define the words dour Scotsman?”

    GS, you’ve obviously never heard of Gordon Brown.

  33. 33
    avatar GS says:

    This is from the Football365 website. The las line is pretty funny:

    “We’ll leave the last word to Alan Pardew, who perhaps unintentionally (or perhaps intentionally given the two men have a ‘history’, apparently stretching back to a gloriously petty episode when they were managing Preston and Reading, and Moyes’ North End side were prevented from warming up on the Madejski Stadium pitch for some reason) signalled a low point in Moyes’ tenure/career by saying:

    “I know we won’t get the headlines because poor old United and David have had a tough day.”

    Patronised and pitied by Alan Pardew. Man, that’s rough.”

  34. 34
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: nah, Gordon Brown defines the words jowls and flappy face.

  35. 35
    avatar GS says:

    I am guessing that Gordon (jowls) Brown has to pay the 2 grand, right?

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00485/d597324e-5d20-11e3-_485721c.jpg

  36. 36
    avatar GS says:

    @35: the article didn’t post. It said that someone in Virginia had paid $2,000 to have dinner with Gordon Brown.

  37. 37
    avatar GS says:

    How can you figure out you are lesbian after being married 3 times? I am not sure if that is a woman either, judging by the shoulders and the arms?

    http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/73/763e6e3c565d8ad7e79d3ef81fa39/_h366_w650_m6_otrue_lfalse.jpg

  38. 38
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS, what about gadgies who have always said they are straight gannin’ for trannies with whacking great cocks all of a sudden?

    You have to pay Rupert Murdoch to read the Times and the Stun online now.

  39. 39
    avatar tunyc says:

    Great performance and matches against Spurs, Chelsea and United show we can punch with the CL boys (don’t ask about City)…but…

    …talk of qualification is way ahead of time. Truth: dropping points like we have against Hull, Sun’lun and Swansea for example are exactly how you miss that highly coveted and sought-after 4th spot.

    chuck @ 10: he’s a DM. That’s what he should do and why his pass % should always be very high. He gets in trouble when he tries to be more “creative”.

  40. 40
    avatar AndyMac says:

    tunyc says: “…talk of qualification is way ahead of time. Truth: dropping points like we have against Hull, Sun’lun and Swansea for example are exactly how you miss that highly coveted and sought-after 4th spot”

    Agreed tunyc. OK every team has an off day but even with these recent results, Pardwho is still “a bad day at the office waiting to happen”.

    As I’ve mentioned before I wonder how much of his battle plan is actually concocted with the stats/analyst boys prior to the game cos its very rare that he’s able to affect a game on the day ?.

    Someone on the BBC web site said he should be applauded for sending on HBA after 57 minutes but to me it was a no brainer as the Mancs were beginning to get up a head of steam so we had to give ourselves an attacking outlet.

    Dont misunderstand me this was a good result, even though the Mancs are shadows of their former selves this season. I just hope and pray that “We found a different way to play today and we held onto the ball for longer periods” is a sign of the times and that “Hoofball” is now consigned to the tactical dustbin !

  41. 41
    avatar GS says:

    Where is Junior Hoilett? McCarthy had a good game though.

  42. 42
    avatar workyticket says:

    AndyMac and Joe Hawkins, I know that you will both enjoy this one from Luke Edwards:

    “Newcastle United have created a rose of a team from a slag heap of a club, thanks to Alan Pardew”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/10506193/Newcastle-United-have-created-a-rose-of-a-team-from-a-slag-heap-of-a-club-thanks-to-Alan-Pardew.html

  43. 43
    avatar AndyMac says:

    Hoilett, Maiga, Chamakh, Gomis and so many more. Arguably we’ve dodged plenty of bullets along the way so maybe loan arranging is the way forward for our impoverished club ?

  44. 44
    avatar GS says:

    @43: If you are Everton it seems to work.

  45. 45
    avatar GS says:

    But soft, what light through yonder window breaks, Luke:

    “Yet, from the slag heap grows a rose, a beautiful flower with a sturdy stem. A fine football team has blossomed again on Tyneside and it deserves praise.”

    It is the east and Pardew is the sun.

    What is Luke on about? Did he take a f@cking English Lit class or summink?

  46. 46
    avatar AndyMac says:

    Attention all of you numpties who dont know your “Regista’s” from your a@@hole. Bet you didnt know we have a Suffoco in the ranks :lol:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1343162-8-world-football-tactical-terms-you-need-to-know-in-2012/page/8

  47. 47
    avatar workyticket says:

    AndyMac says:
    December 9, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    “Attention all of you numpties who dont know your “Regista’s” from your a@@hole. Bet you didnt know we have a Suffoco in the ranks”

    I blame all these bairns on fuffing FIFA and Football Manager.

  48. 48
    avatar Grumpy Old-Toon says:

    Actually not a bad article with a lot of common sense in it.

    Pardew may not be the greatest tactically, but he does seem to have the backing of the players and that is probably the hardest part of a managers job. So perhaps some credit might be afforded to him gentlemen.

    We do have players knocking on the door for selection so some injuries wouldn’t be too critical. Although another good striker wouldn’t go amiss unless Cisse was able (refs permitting) to regain his scoring mojo.

    I am actually looking forward to our next two games anticipating, rather than hoping, for wins. still as a supporter for 55+ years I probably shouldn’t be so optimistic.

  49. 49
    avatar AndyMac says:

    Yeah steady on G O-T we’re NUFC dont forget. Only one game away from a kick in the balls as someone so rightly said :)

  50. 50
    avatar tunyc says:

    Andy @ 40: I hear you. Of course this was an excellent result, of course. No qualification. Great performance.

    But that’s just it with this club-the problems are of such scale, are so all-encompassing that it’s hard to be excited about results when the long term outlook for this club is mainly murky with a distinctively bleak feel to it.

  51. 51
    avatar AndyMac says:

    “outlook for this club is mainly murky with a distinctively bleak feel to it”

    Not quite cloudy with a chance of meatballs then ? :)

  52. 52
    avatar tunyc says:

    I personally think AP gets very little respect/affection from the squad. It shows in the games where they just quit.

    As for a “slag heap”…eh? Didn’t we struggle against relegation last season despite a first team that featured five full French internationals, two Senegalese, two Argentines, two Dutch, and an Ivorian? Plus TWO Ameobis?

    C’mon!

  53. 53
    avatar tunyc says:

    Andy-NUFC is owned by clowns that admit they won’t try too hard to win anything and then bans the supporters’ trust for reporting that. Managed by a clown who complains about being in Europe.

    And so on.

  54. 54
    avatar GS says:

    Tunyc: we have won 5 out of 6 though. Pardew is an annoying tw@t, but we won 5 out of 6.

  55. 55
    avatar GS says:

    Won. Didn’t draw. Won.

  56. 56
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    “Tunyc: we have won 5 out of 6 though. Pardew is an annoying tw@t, but we won 5 out of 6.”

    I’m glad you’re not investing for me, GS. :-) Make your decisions based on a more long term view and you will be far less prone to error.

  57. 57
    avatar AndyMac says:

    Yup five out of six is good GS but if only we were part of a well run club, owned by someone who gives a f”k, then maybe there’d be less doom and gloom around and more meatballs ?

  58. 58
    avatar GS says:

    I am confused now Worky: Chelsea, Spurs, Norwich, West Brom, Man U

    Lost to Swans.

    Are you sure you want to invest your own money?

  59. 59
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: I am shocked that we have Pardiola for now. We even have a decent fixture list if he doesn’t f#ck it up.

  60. 60
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: I am not working and I am talking to you, so I must be doing something right with investments.

    I wasn’t born with money like you.

  61. 61
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS, you’re confused by the Pardiola / Pardwho duality?

  62. 62
    avatar GS says:

    Not in the least @61. I think I used it completely correctly. You are the one that is confused.

  63. 63
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 9, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    “I wasn’t born with money like you.”

    It’s true that my parents were fairly comfortably off by the time I was a bairn. They were as common as clarts and lived on the fairgrounds originally. They had f**k all and my mother hardly went to school but she was very good at business.

  64. 64
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: I didn’t really mean to strike a chord there. You had talked about going to public school and rugby, so I assumed.

    So, what the fu2ck. I have made a little bit of money investing. I wish it was a lot more. And I wish I could be a better short term investor.

  65. 65
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 9, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    “and I am talking to you”

    Well I can’t hear you over there in Chicago.

  66. 66
    avatar GS says:

    And Worky: you were very considerate about my dog. So, I couldn’t get mad at you.

  67. 67
    avatar GS says:

    Well you do call yourself worky ticket, so what can we expect?

  68. 68
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 9, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    “So, what the fu2ck. I have made a little bit of money investing.”

    I’ve lost f***ing loads over the last few years, not through investing but through stuff like my health and career disintegrating. It’s scary how long it’s been really. I need to stop wasting so much time on here and other things and start being successful again.

  69. 69
    avatar GS says:

    And you haven’t blocked me yet even though I give Chuckledoodledandy a hard time.

  70. 70
    avatar GS says:

    Urrggg. I had smoked trout for lunch. They are not the best thing to be burping up – like kippers with bad breath.

  71. 71
    avatar GS says:

    And Worky: you are opening up. Which is very unusual for you.

  72. 72
    avatar onetino says:

    Twatter rumour was from a telegraph journalist

  73. 73
    avatar Grumpy Old-Toon says:

    Well I’ve gat a part time job and a full time wife, so wasting time on here would be a luxury for me.

    And unless you are George Soros, investments are just an upmarket form of gambling. You seldom find the ordinary person getting rich with them!

  74. 74
    avatar GS says:

    Grumpy: it is easy to track though, unlike gambling where everybody fools themselves that they didn’t lose money last week. Bookies get rich and most investment brokers are liars and cheats.

    It is minus 15 celcius in Chicago now.

  75. 75
    avatar chuck says:

    What is this some kinda, this is your life shit ?
    Leave it out.
    No one cares.
    What it is, is a blog aboot NUFC.

    Our next opponents are, possibly the hardest working side in the league.
    Which according to Workey, are beatable by playing hoofball.
    Bullshit! they are like Barcelona, relentless in their persuit of the ball.

    They are not Swansea (thank goodness) in their ability to control the game by using possession.

    But to believe we can beat them, by playing hoofball
    (direct football) ascertained by Worky, is pure nonsense.

    And the fact many contributers to this blog take the word of certain scribes as Worky does, as in the case of some unknown BBC pundit is nothing less than pathetic.

    Sure there’s a way to beat (the mushes,anyone familiar with that term) but it ain’t by resorting to hoofball.

    And the only way to recover the ball is to work hard, just as hard as S’hampton.

    We can get behind them by using our pace, just like we did against M.U., hitting them on the counter when they press.

    We really dont have anyone like Shearer who can hold the ball up, in which case, we have to use our wingers, Sissoko and Gouffran in combination with our WING BACKS.

    With hopefully Cabaye feeding HBA and Remy in the center.

    Problem is does Pardeux agree with me or Workey.

    Or does he (now that he’s discovered a different way to play, (possession)try to match the opposition, by playing a similar game)

    Who the fcuk knows with this jibonney, what we do know is if his formula aint working during the first half, then we are going to have to wait until the second period, for any change.

    God forbid we are leading and he goes into a shell in the second half, as opposed to absorbing the inevitable press and using the fast counter, where we can take advantage of our pace.

    But then what the hell do i know?

  76. 76
    avatar GS says:

    Lets talk about fish then Chuck. You are such a hypocrite.

    It was quiet on here, so I wrote something.

  77. 77
    avatar GS says:

    Actually, Chuck I don’t mind you talking about fish or recipes. It makes a change from you repeating yourself about Williamson and Martinez.

  78. 78
    avatar Grumpy Old-Toon says:

    Chuck

    “What is this some kinda, this is your life shit ?
    Leave it out.
    No one cares.
    What it is, is a blog aboot NUFC.”

    Well yes it is, a lot of Toon supporters have sh!t in their lives and it’s nice to be able to let it out somewhere occasionally with (slightly at least) sympathetic ears to either sympathise or slap as the need arises. Any sh!t in my live is comparatively minor compared to some of the stuff others seem to have to bear but I wouldn’t try to put someone down if they sometimes felt the need to have a moan. The best place being where there are like minded people.

    Anyway the Swansea game was typical of what can happen to any team and they deservedly beat us. I think Pardew believed his previously stated belief that we could absorb pressure and take it easy first half and then come out fresh in the second to win. A tactic that’s an obvious no-no in the EPL. I think apart from that one defeat however the team have been pretty solid and I really expect a win this weekend, bearing in mind my last sentence comment 48!!

    By the way I agree with you re. that the use of our speedy counter attacks is the way to go. We have aces and should use them!

    Thought you might have had some advice for GS regarding the correct way to ingest “smoked trout” to avoid reflux. :)

  79. 79
    avatar Grumpy Old-Toon says:

    GS you got your last two comments in as I was constructing my latest pearls of wisdom. :)

  80. 80
    avatar GS says:

    And another thing old man. Why do you keep pretending that Ben Afra will be in the team when you know he will pick Shola? It is not fantasy football. And Williamson will be in the team as well.

    The thing about Southampton is that they are below us in the league. I know they got off to a good start, but do we have to fear them? Do we have to adjust our tactics to fit them?

    I get frustrated when we don’t take the game to the opposition. As Chuckypoodle said we have tons of pace, so we should use it. Still, we are 7th and have won 5 out of 6 and smug Alan is returning.

  81. 81
    avatar GS says:

    Maybe I should look at a Man U site. They have had 25 years of gloating and it is nice to have them feel a bit of what we have to put up with. Moyes’s body language on Saturday when he shook Pardew’s hand said it all.

    Mackems bottom. Us in no trouble at all, even though we are not playing great. I’ll take that.

  82. 82
    avatar workyticket says:

    I keep forgetting to mention that this season, Sky have now adopted my method of displaying long balls as a percentage of total passes made in the game. They have the long ball percentages for each game in the stats section of their match reports.

    It’s a much better method than just counting the amount of long balls played in a game, which is what others used to do before I figured out it that it was a crap and often misleading way of doing it.

  83. 83
  84. 84
    avatar GS says:

    The Paisley quote is pretty funny.

  85. 85
    avatar AndyMac says:

    Grumpy Old-Toon says: “Well I’ve gat a part time job and a full time wife”

    Ideal world would be the other way around :)

    Dont work in B&Q by any chance G O-T ?

  86. 86
    avatar Grumpy Old-Toon says:

    Andy

    No I work from home doing a complementary health thing.

    It’s great cos it helps keep my ancient bones moving around as well as sorting out my clients various aches and pains.
    And it supplements my income nicely.

  87. 87
    avatar workyticket says:

    Snake oil salesman. :-)

  88. 88
    avatar Grumpy Old-Toon says:

    Worky

    No mate, no oils or potions involved or I might add waving my hands around peoples energy fields mumbo jumbo stuff either.

    It’s all very practical hands-on stretching and joint manipulation techniques.

  89. 89
    avatar workyticket says:

    Physiotherapy? Osteopathy?

  90. 90
    avatar tunyc says:

    GS @ 54: I know. And I’m still not that stoked. I’m not that f’ed up-something is rotten in NUFC…

    You guys are making me feel better about never having been successful.

    Chuck-how’s the fishing?

  91. 91
    avatar GS says:

    Southampton, Palace and Stoke. That’s not that daunting. Swans shouldn’t have been either.

    Gonna need big (iron) Mike for the Pulis teams.

    For all we moan about NUFC, the Mackems are really bad again. When they are bad they are really bad. Our lot took until the last game of the season to get relegated last time. The Mackems might essentially be done by Christmas.

  92. 92
    avatar Nutmag says:

    Chuck@75
    I tend to agree with you a great deal of the time. Most likely because our support started at the same time giving us a similar outlook on things.
    However I disagree that “no one gives a shit” about our fellow bloggers. I like to know about the people behind the names but then again I’d prefer talking to them over a pint or a dining table so I enjoy this instead.
    After all it was a rant of yours about Kenya that forced me to face some bitter memories which I’m grateful for.
    Whatever topic we drift on to is ok by me as you can post a football related one in the midst of whatever is being discussed and if worthy it will get a response.

  93. 93
    avatar GS says:

    Churchill took a stance against Hitler. Martin Luther King against racism, Nelson Mandela against Apartheid.

    Chuck took a stance against smileys :)

  94. 94
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 10, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    “For all we moan about NUFC, the Mackems are really bad again.”

    From what I’ve seen I think that Sunderland have been improving.

  95. 95
    avatar Nutmag says:

    Good enough to beat us “Twice”

  96. 96
    avatar GS says:

    They were lucky (once anyway). And it doesn’t go against my main point that when they are bad they are bad.

    Improving? From bottom of the league form to still bottom of the league form?

  97. 97
    avatar workyticket says:

    Nutmag says:
    December 10, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    “Whatever topic we drift on to is ok by me as you can post a football related one in the midst of whatever is being discussed and if worthy it will get a response.”

    Well make the most of it while you can, Nutmag.

  98. 98
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: are you really going to quit?

    You have to do what you have to do man. It will be a pity though as I will end up reading the infants on Ed’s blog or even my second best mate Troy on Toonsy’s.

  99. 99
    avatar Nutmag says:

    I suppose that’s why we become grumpy old men (not you Grumpy) We see so many changes and the bad things seem to out live the good ones.
    I will miss the blog if you decide to go as the others are poor in comparison.
    The overriding thing is Quality of Life and its your life Worky. Whatever you decide I wish you luck and good health.

  100. 100
    avatar AndyMac says:

    GS says: “Worky: are you really going to quit?”

    You’re talking to a bloke who needs to get out more GS but then again you need to have friends when you get out.

    So no he aint gonna quit :lol:

  101. 101
    avatar GS says:

    Nutmag says:

    “We see so many changes and the bad things seem to out live the good ones.”

    No they don’t.

  102. 102
    avatar Nutmag says:

    GS
    Oh yes they do!
    (It is Panto season)

  103. 103
    avatar Nutmag says:

    GS
    EG..Pardew second longest serving manager in the EPL

  104. 104
    avatar GS says:

    Nutmag: I lived 13 miles from Sunderland and only went there twice – to see the pantomime at The Sunderland Empire – not Roker Park. Worky will remember I said that before on here :)

    I was also in a Comedy Bar in London a few years ago and was talking to the barman. I asked him where he was from and he said Newcastle. He wasn’t, he was a dirty, stinking Mackem. I can recognize that accent from 13 miles away.

  105. 105
    avatar GS says:

    AndyMac: it is good that you are on here again. You are like a breath of fresh shite (I mean air). You make me laugh now and again.

  106. 106
    avatar tunyc says:

    Nutmag @ 103: I interpret that as “there’s Wenger and everyone else.”

  107. 107
    avatar AndyMac says:

    GS says: “AndyMac: it is good that you are on here again. You are like a breath of fresh shite”

    Apart from the usual shite that’s normally on here ? :lol:

  108. 108
    avatar GS says:

    I was looking for a hoover. This lot might want to change the name and the price.

    http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41CHdKD3jQL.jpg

    BUT, back to fish and recipes.

  109. 109
    avatar GS says:

    @ 108: Sorry, something is up with my copy/paste thing. The Hom-bot is $750.

  110. 110
    avatar chuck says:

    Nutmeg

    Yeah ! dont take everything i say literally, sometimes i just do it to wake people up, stir their juices.

    Worky understands that, as he doesn’t bother to reply to my rants at times.

    Though he has this pedagogical nature which sometimes compells him.

    Try it, make a statement that you know is incorrect, he will be on your case in no time.

    Plus any subject that generates interest, whether football related or not, that ends up getting hits, is i’m sure welcome.

    Politics, history, food, et al.

  111. 111
    avatar GS says:

    I’ll correct you this time. “NutMAG” as in MAGpies.

    I give in with you. I can never tell when you mean what you say. Use smileys when you are trying to be funny. Actually, that wouldn’t help because you are never funny.

  112. 112
    avatar AndyMac says:

    Nutmag says: “I will miss the blog if you decide to go as the others are poor in comparison”

    People make blogs work Nutmag. WT’s isnt the highest ranked blog nor does it have the largest number of contributors but the content is, without question, top draw !

    Well at least it is when he hasnt been on the “sauce” all day :lol:

  113. 113
    avatar chuck says:

    Nutmeg

    Interesting that you were a young conscript in the army, during what was known as the “Kenya Emergency” an interesting and non threatening title, but also known as “The Mau Mau Uprising-or Revolt”, being the term “Mau Mau”, was synonymous with all things evil.

    The term Kenyans was seldom used, as it may have given the impression that it was a political struggle, for all Kenyans, whereas the British government wanted to portray it as an evil gang of bloodthirsty Kikuyu.

    All news was heavily censored and sent out a lot of propaganda and lies to the British general public, totally contradicting anything close to the truth.

    It must have been a confusing and problematic situation, for those young national servicemen, who were sent there during that period.

    Who were engaged in situations, they possibly opposed, but not much different to those who were stationed in Malasia, Aden, Cyprus, Egypt and other areas, defending the remnants of the British empire.

    I’m sure it was similar to the US involvement in Viet Nam, which was opposed by a majority of the troops who were involved and the reason for switching to an all volunteer armed forces, like the UK much earlier, 1960 i believe.

    I’m curious as to the mindset of those young national servicemen, like yourself who were involved in “The Kenya Emergency” were they reluctant about what they were doing, or were they in general non commital and just going through the motions until they completed their tour of duty.

    Also, i’m sure you were subjected to lectures as to why you were there and was wondering exactly how the situation was described by whichever arm of the forces
    job it was to explain the situation.

    I also have my doubts concerning Jomo Kentatta, who although under arrest, was possibly a collaborator and the British ace in the hole.

    He has been described as a great statesman, but i think he was, following the realisation, that the possibility of holding onto Kenya, with its thousands of white settelers, had become impossible, therefor placed him in the position of power.
    With a prior deal having been made as to the protection and retention of all settler lands of the wealthy planter class, Comonwealth status and other arrangements.
    It’s an interesting era, with still unpublished official documents, which describe exactly what took place, not only in Kenya, but all of those former colonies that demanded independance.

  114. 114
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 10, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    “I’ll correct you this time. “NutMAG” as in MAGpies.”

    GS, if Chuck’s nickname was Nutmag I’d probably call him ‘Nutbag.’

  115. 115
    avatar GS says:

    Maybe I am missing something. The guy doesn’t understand irony and doesn’t remember what he said earlier on this thread. So where was the stuff about NUFC in post 113? I despair.

    Maybe that’s why he is always banging on about Williamson and Martinez, because he cant remember the last f@cking sentence he wrote.

  116. 116
  117. 117
    avatar chuck says:

    Worky

    Whats this, are we being threatened by a conclusion to this blog, or what ?

    I just refuse to read anything Ed. writes and find few if any contributers to his blog who make any sense.

    Toonsy was ok, but his acolytes were obnoxious, but then he himself was not adverse to a bit of praise, even though he banned me for a lack of respect or sumatt.

    Though he did regret it, or so he said.
    And i can contribute at will now.

    It must be tough dedicating so much time and effort, though i’m sure there are certain rewards.

    Hey a blog every couple of days, or find some of the present contributors to write somthing, would be preferable to shutting up shop entirely.

    Think about it!

  118. 118
    avatar chuck says:

    Worky

    Yes must have been his association with food.

  119. 119
    avatar chuck says:

    Hey, enough of this deviation from the blogs itent, back to football!

  120. 120
    avatar chuck says:

    intent..

  121. 121
    avatar AndyMac says:

    Time to throw up part 1 Chuck being obsequious !

    Time to throw up part 2 Cameron and that Blackish guy from the US taking “selfies” while attending Mandela’s funeral !

    Jeez cant tell which would make me heave quicker ?

  122. 122
    avatar GS says:

    Chucky @119: you opening an online camping store?

    And I did see your correction @120.

  123. 123
    avatar Nutmag says:

    Newcastle
    Upon
    Tyne
    M
    A
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  124. 124
    avatar GS says:

    Chuckup says at 119:

    “Hey, enough of this deviation from the blogs itent, back to football!”

    It boggles my mind that he can go off on the Kenya tangent again and then complain about not talking about football on here.

  125. 125
    avatar GS says:

    Andymac @121: I didn’t understand what you were saying. Now I do:

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/10/article-2521146-1A038ABA00000578-13_636x382.jpg

  126. 126
    avatar workyticket says:

    AndyMac says:
    December 10, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    “Time to throw up part 2 Cameron and that Blackish guy from the US taking “selfies” while attending Mandela’s funeral !”

    In 1989 when Nelson Mandela was still in prison, a young David Cameron was in South Africa enjoying himself at the expense of a pro-Apartheid lobbying organisation. Before that Margaret Thatcher had described the ANC as a “typical terrorist group,” and also wrote to her good friend, South African Apartheid President PW Botha, promising to “fight the good fight” against South African sanctions and even entertained him at Chequers.

  127. 127
    avatar Grump Old-Toon says:

    Worky

    Different times different shades of grey or even black and white if you will pardon he poor taste pun.

    Politicians don’t change they will always kick and claw their way up the ladder anyway they can.

    What does change is perception and attitudes. One mans freedom fighter is another’s terrorist.

    A lot of Russians probably see the Greenpeace 30 as terrorists. It’s sometimes difficult to read between the media lines.

    Most of this blogs contributors can see the elephant in the room but the average citizen doesn’t.

    At the time of apartheid I could easily have been one who thought the ANC were terrorists. Don’t think I did but I did believe that communism was the great evil in the world. Just wasn’t aware of the bigger picture.

    Good results for English teams in Europe last night.

  128. 128
    avatar workyticket says:

    No Grumpy, racism and Apartheid were abhorrent in the 1980s too, just as segregation was in the US, or nazism in Germany way back in the ’30s and ’40s. Everyone knew what Apartheid was and what it involved, but some chose to turn a blind eye to it and be disingenuous after the event.

  129. 129
    avatar Grump Old-Toon says:

    Kudos to Greenpeace for hijacking he Real Madrid press conference to get their message across about Arctic drilling.

  130. 130
    avatar GS says:

    From The Journal:

    “The first letters on official Newcastle United notepaper have begun to land on the desks of national newspaper editors.

    A mooted plan to try to make papers pay for “exclusive” access – rumoured for a while now – has become reality with the offer of a series of packages offering interviews for a fee.

    The club, presumably, see it as the first shot in a revolution in the way the Premier League interacts with the print media, but others are looking on with a mixture of surprise and disdain.

    Little, though, should surprise us at St James’ Park these days. While the club are performing superbly on the pitch, they are continuing to cause ripples off it.

    Fresh from banning ncjMedia titles , Newcastle United have broken from the pack to move in a new direction in terms of their relationship with the rest of the print media.

    They have told reporters from national titles who are working in the North East that they will no longer be given access to their players between matches this season and will instead give those “privileges” to organisations that pay them.

    This has never happened before. They are the first Premier League football club to try to do this and it will be interesting to see what kind of reaction it garners.

    At least one national newspaper has delivered an unequivocal ‘no’ but the club seem determined to test the water on an unpopular plan.

    The club have rather optimistically graded the packages as bronze, silver and gold with the level of payment determining the level of access.

    They say they want a “media partner”, although what this would do for the independence of any organisation that signed up is an entirely different matter.

    Would a gold package insure you against one of Mike Ashley’s frequent banning orders , for example? Ashley is keen to monetise access but seems to miss the point.

    Yesterday, the club’s players visited children’s hospitals throughout the region to deliver presents. Having banned a fair chunk of the local media, the coverage was vastly reduced – taking away some of the shine that this good news story traditionally produces.

    It was a real shame.”

    What about purples though?

  131. 131
    avatar GS says:

    The real shame about that stupid selfie is that it took away from what was going on – a celebration of a heroes life.

  132. 132
    avatar chuck says:

    Yes in retrospect, everyone and his brother now believes Mandela to be a heroic figure.
    The man who prevented a race war in SA.
    By reaching an agreement between white and non white populations.
    A bit like the founding of the national health service in the UK, where one of the Beven/ Bevan’s stated in reference to the BMA and their hard core opposition to any state run health system, was overcome “we stuffed their mouths with gold”
    The same applied to the SA white population.
    Where supposedly in to-days world, one would think every white person is and had been, a Mandela supporter.
    I certainly recall a very different SA during my visit’s there and ran into very few white’s who had any sympathy for equality or the ANC.
    Oh! but that was the Boers, the Anglo-SA’s were different, bullshit!
    And if so how does one account for Rhodesia, with it’s
    British government covert support for the white minority breakaway state.
    The residue of which remains even to-day, with Robert Mugabe the duly elected Prime Minister and his government, subjected to a constant abuse, in fact a propaganda war and sanctions, through such organizations as The World Bank and IMF.
    A revanchist punishment for the re-appropriation of lands stolen by white farmers.
    Being it’s all very similar to the Kenya situation of fifty years ago, they who control the media, have the ability to create whatever so called truth they want.
    And the actual truth is seldom brough to light until enough time has elapsed for it to no longer matter.
    Even as we speak, the real history of the Kenyan Emergency, has not been oficially published.
    Why do you think that is ?

  133. 133
    avatar chuck says:

    AndyMac

    Obsequious moi ?
    Never happened, if you care to check, i believe you will find i tend to be more confrontational than Obsequious.

  134. 134
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 11, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    “The real shame about that stupid selfie is that it took away from what was going on – a celebration of a heroes life.”

    GS, the real shame is that there is still economic Apartheid in South Africa.

    There has been much talk of “reconciliation” after the end of Apartheid and now. What reconcialion really meant was that a small, corrupt black elite would join the existing small corrupt white elite and leave them alone.

    They would also leave the majority of the black population in the same slum townships with no opportunity, no hope, and many with HIV and AIDS, which both Mandela and Mbeki were criminally negligent about.

    Mandela steadfastly refused to hold a campaign to educate the population and try and prevent the spread of HIV when he was asked. His successor, Mbeki, was far worse still. Many millions have died because of their inaction and even lies about HIV.

    HIV has killed more black people in South Africa than Apartheid ever did, many millions and both Mandela and Mbeki were both culpable as Presidents.

  135. 135
    avatar tunyc says:

    And our dear leader skipped right over the part where the CIA helped with Mandela’s capture and arrest. And how the US was in the third decade of its crusade to strangle Cuba, the country Mandela credited most for helping the anti-apartheid movement in SA. (I mean, how could we not punish Cuba for decades? They resisted US carpetbaggers’ attempt to turn it into a part of our empire through economic control and military invasion…) And of course, we were busy cultivating our “special relationship” with Israel, that other apartheid regime that widely-held belief has it offered to sell SA nuclear weapon technology in the 1970s/80s.

  136. 136
    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc, don’t get me started on Israel!

  137. 137
    avatar workyticket says:

    Getting back to Newcastle United and Ashley’s latest wheeze to try and charge newspapers for access to players, is it really worth paying a small fortune to hear Steven Taylor blathering on about the terrific atmosphere in dressing room?

  138. 138
    avatar chuck says:

    Well a lot of what is said above is true.
    However, there is also a part to the SA equation that was not mentioned.
    That of the poor and uneducated white’s, who were dependent on the many lower level civil servise jobs, prison guards, private security and a host of other non
    professional jobs, now filled by people of color.
    And others like Boer farmers living in isolated areas, who like the US doomsday preppers are fearful of a post Mandela world, where all bets are off and have actually prepared so called safe areas where they are preparing for the worst.
    Sure for the most part, there has been little change as far as those white’s who are professionals are concerned and a certain number of professional people of color and those with political connections.
    But little has changed for the poor of every color, there is like in all capitalist dominated countries, a failure of government, to create a more equitable
    society.
    Yep, it’s a dog eat dog world and a puppy dont stand a chance.

  139. 139
    avatar GS says:

    Here is what MSN (a US news organization) said:

    “The image graced the front pages of many of Britain’s newspapers on Wednesday, with the mass-market Sun tabloid newspaper calling it a “gaffe” that betrayed a lack of respect for the late South African politician.

    Cameron, who is trying to court the Sun’s readers ahead of a 2015 election, was asked about the incident during his weekly question and answer session in the British parliament.

    “You should always remember that the television cameras are always on,” Cameron told parliament. “In my defense, I’d say that Nelson Mandela played an extraordinary role in his life and in his death in bringing people together.”

    So when asked by the Danish prime minister to join the photograph he said he had thought it only polite to agree since she was married to the son of a former leader of the opposition Labor Party.”

    In other news … Cameron is an idiot. Could you have a more contrived explanation of his mistake than the last 2 paragraphs.

  140. 140
    avatar chuck says:

    I certainly dont understand this crazy owner we have or what he’s trying to do with the press and possibly other media.
    I guess he hasn’t yet figured out fueding with the media, is a loosing proposition, that can only result in his eventual loosing the battle.
    The arrogance of wealth and the power that goes with it.
    I dont know about how the rest of you feel about him and his minions, but for me i wont feel comfortable as long as he and his cheapass hirelings are running this club.
    Though, in the recent advent of foreign owners buying up clubs, especiall those from Asia, there have been more than enough crazies, who could make Ashley look fairly normal.
    In which case be careful what you wish for.

  141. 141
    avatar chuck says:

    Enough with the idle chatter concerning selfies, a word no doubt recently learned by most including myself.
    As most people carry smart phones or at least a cell phone (mobile) why do some find it strange that, Presidents and Prime Ministers when given the opportunity for group shots with othe high ranking folks, do in fact like ourselves take the opportunity to use them.
    And to be offended and elevate the taking of a photo opportunity, to something of importance, reflects a lack of determining the difference, between bad manners and
    an international incident.
    Wise up!

  142. 142
    avatar GS says:

    Chuck @141: you have a point, but not a good one. Selfies are for teenage girls and Kardashians.

    Sure, it shouldn’t be an international incident. But it is now, so deal with it.

    You seem to have veered away from NUFC again :)

  143. 143
    avatar GS says:

    Worky 134: I think Mandela did represent something good though. You really think South Africa’s problems were fixable in a generation?

    Yeah, condoms. Don’t they give them out for free and people still don’t use them!

  144. 144
    avatar GS says:

    “Enough with the idle chatter concerning selfies”. Lets get back to Kenya, you total hypocrite.

  145. 145
    avatar GS says:

    And @141, about selfies. They have the world’s press and TV following their every move. It is not like they are lacking in photo-ops, all they have to do is pick up a paper or watch CNN

  146. 146
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 11, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    “Yeah, condoms. Don’t they give them out for free and people still don’t use them!”

    GS, you obviously don’t know anything about it or you wouldn’t be so crass.

  147. 147
    avatar GS says:

    OK Worky: I thought there was a big effort from the world to promote condoms in Africa? I don’t think it is crass at all for me to suggest that was a good thing.

    You know better though.

  148. 148
    avatar tunyc says:

    chuck @ 141: because it was at a memorial service, not a f’in night club…as has been stated.

  149. 149
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 11, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    “OK Worky: I thought there was a big effort from the world to promote condoms in Africa?”

    GS, you don;t understand, it wasn;t just about condoms.

    Mandela was terrible on HIV when he was President, it was negligence and bowing to conservative forces though. He later had a change of heart after his son died of AIDS and he became a campaigner himself. Yes he was a hero in other respects but he was also very culpable there. He acknowledged it himself eventually.

    Thabo Mbeki on the other hand was either evil, criminal, insane or more than one of those things.

    Amongst other things, he told South Africans that AIDS was caused by poverty, bad nourishment and general ill-health rather than certain kinds of sexual contact and sharing needles. He also denied anti retroviral drugs to sufferers, leaving them to die horrible, agonising deaths. People in South Africa were even told it could be cured with herbal potions and the like.

    Mbeki was a f***ing headbanger who is estimated to be directly responsible for the deaths of a third of a million people and indirectly responsible for far more.

    One funny thing from the celbration I noticed, the current ANC president, Jacob Zuma was badly booed but the last white President, FW de Klerk was cheered by the mostly black crowd. :-)

  150. 150
    avatar GS says:

    Did I say it was just about condoms?

  151. 151
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: Grandpa Simspson is the only one I get mad at. You always make a lot of sense, so I have to reassess what I say.

    I thought the doling out of retroviral drugs were blocked by the big US, Swiss and Uk drug companies? For profit reasons?

  152. 152
    avatar GS says:

    I mean anti retroviral, obviously.

  153. 153
    avatar AndyMac says:

    GS says: “Yeah, condoms. Don’t they give them out for free and people still don’t use them!”

    GS, you obviously don’t know anything about it or you wouldn’t be so crass.

    http://www.economist.com/node/21550001

    Its not like WT to patronise now is it GS ? You’re entitled to your opinion so let the owld bugger know it :)

  154. 154
    avatar GS says:

    It is going to be minus 20 in Chicago tonight. That would be cold enough to freeze a Rino’s ars@ off, if they weren’t already being slaughtered for their horns.

  155. 155
    avatar AndyMac says:

    Too cold for snow then GS ? We’re positively balmy here in the UK (not barmy like Cameron) :)

  156. 156
    avatar AndyMac says:

    Barca 6 Celtic 1 ! Isnt it time we stopped third world countries from competing in the CL ? :)

  157. 157
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 11, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    “I thought the doling out of retroviral drugs were blocked by the big US, Swiss and Uk drug companies? For profit reasons?”

    Read a bit about it yourself, GS.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatment_Action_Campaign

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zackie_Achmat

    http://www.petertatchell.net/aids/achmat.htm

  158. 158
    avatar GS says:

    @157:

    and you have a point?

    I think what I said about the big drug co.s blocking the treatment of AIDs / HIV in Africa was more to the point, don’t you?

  159. 159
    avatar GS says:

    And I read what Peter Tatchel said.

  160. 160
    avatar GS says:

    Tatchell, I know.

  161. 161
    avatar chuck says:

    tunyc

    Yo ! dont get all holy with me, so what if was a funeral, it was no more than bad manners., dont go making it into an international incident already !

    AndyMac
    He aint got the balls to confront Worky !

    Worky
    M’beki
    Another case of the banality of evil, i could never understand his oppositon to the distribution of aids
    related drugs or how he reached the conclusion, they
    were of no use.
    I can only believe someone or some group must have convinced him, as it’s illogical to believe he just arrived at that conclusion.
    Though the claim he may be responsible for the deaths of a third of a million citizens, puts him in the league of those nazi death camp eficient but banal monsters, who considered what they did, as a form of increasing production for the war effort.

  162. 162
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 11, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    “@157:

    “and you have a point?”

    “I think what I said about the big drug co.s blocking the treatment of AIDs / HIV in Africa was more to the point, don’t you?”

    Yes read about it for yourself, stop being so lazy and expecting others to lay everything out for you on a plate. Make an effort to actually learn something that isn’t just about you or your needs for a change.

  163. 163
    avatar GS says:

    I can use google Worky.

    I sort of like reading what you say, and even what Chuck says.

    I wouldn’t know what to look for, like:

    Rinus Michels
    Catanaccio (sp)
    Buzz kill

    I didn’t know who Rinus Michels was until I cam on here. I know that is a bad thing to admit.

  164. 164
    avatar GS says:

    And you shouldn’t be condescending to me because I am not that way to you.

    If you want to be a smart ars@ then go back to Toonsy’s blog where they all love you so much.

  165. 165
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    December 11, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    “I can only believe someone or some group must have convinced him, as it’s illogical to believe he just arrived at that conclusion.”

    He came under the influence of some dangerous Germans, Chuck. Key figures in the tragedy were German AIDS denialists, biologist Peter Duesberg and vitamin salesman Matthias Rath.

    It was all very strange.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    chuck @ 161: when you’re the theoretical “most powerful man in the world,” your insensitivity and impoliteness, especially at such an event, is newsworthy. That narcissist has no problem with throngs of his flatterers and fanboys/girls hanging on every little detail of his life and every thing he says, so he can take the bad with the good. He’s a big boy.

    And rest assured-I’m never “holy”, with anyone.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 11, 2013 at 10:35 pm.

    “If you want to be a smart ars@ then go back to Toonsy’s blog where they all love you so much.”

    Are you proud of that one, GS? I think you’ve got it the wrong way ’round anyway.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    December 11, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    “when you’re the theoretical “most powerful man in the world,” your insensitivity and impoliteness, especially at such an event, is newsworthy.”

    I presume you’re referring to David Cameron there, tunyc?

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    avatar GS says:

    @167: not proud at all about saying that. I was having a lash out.

    I was not trying to pick a fight with YOU. It is obvious who I like to pick a fight with :)

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    avatar GS says:

    @167: Sorry, man. I would hate for you not to do your blog anymore.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    wt @ 168: lol…

    Clearly I meant Putin.

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    WT, seeing as you cant be arsed to put up a forthcoming preview for the Saints game until the very last minute, I’ll ask the question here !

    “The Special Needs One says he has a plan to combat his old club without Cabaye who is serving his time. If you were the manager, after you’ve finished looking in the mirror, who would you replace him with and what formation would you adopt ?”

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    avatar chuck says:

    tunyc

    Relax !
    It’s just that i find there are those who attempt to continually find something to criticise about Obama, are a sad bunch.
    (Who by the way i have no special liking for, just another bought and payed for politician, in a long list of those owned by the corporate state)
    But to criticise somthing as banal as taking a photograph and attempting to elevate it into some kinda big deal, is something i would expect from Rush limbaugh, not someone on this blog and especially you.

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    Good news is that their central midfield defensive pairing are both unavailable as is Clyne, Boruc and Uncle Tom Cobs etc etc

    http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php

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    avatar GS says:

    AndyMac: ’tis the season, so Christmas Tree formation. It will be Anita as that is pretty much a like for like swap.

    Chuck: the photographer of the Obama selfie said that there was a “party” atmosphere in the stadium when he took the picture and that Obama etc. were just joining in with the general mood. It makes a lot more sense in that context. The selfie thing is a bit stupid if you ask me, unless you are a congressman from NY trying to get his end away on an online dating site.

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    Well done GS at least you’re capable of dragging yourself away from inconsequential matters to think, momentarily, about football.

    Funnily enough I dont see Anita as Dreamboat’s direct replacement but I could see Tiote and him pairing up in CDM mode. Leaving HBA to “prompt” either side of Goof and Remy with the the Mackem Slayer up front.

    Alternatively we could try 4-4-2 and hoofball ?

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    avatar GS says:

    I think Obama was dealt an incredibly bad hand by Bush/Cheney and then had to put up with the tea party idiots. For the most part he did a really good job in the circumstances. That’s why it is weird for him to have so little self awareness when taking the selfie.

    I will shut up about that now though.

    Southampton and Pochitinno. Are they really as good as everybody is making them out to be? And should we be worried? As Worky has said we scored more against them than any other team this year.

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    Truly would be embarrassing for a certain blog head honcho if his beloved Prince of Denmark’s side failed to make it through to the last 32 of the Europa League :lol:

    St Gallen 1-0 up and Kuban Krasnodar needing two more goals to wipe the smile of Laudrups face !

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    avatar chuck says:

    AndyMac

    Erm ! i take it Cabaye is banned for this game ?
    If so i would field the following side.

    **************Krul***************
    *****Yanga-M’biwa****Colo********
    Debuchy********************Santon
    *************Tiote***************
    Sissoko******Anita*******Gouffran
    ***************Remy**************

    Taylor
    Haidara
    HBA
    Marveaux
    Bigirimana
    Cisse

    Using early subs, as when you are up against against a side that is as relentless as S’ampton, you will be tired.
    Though the use of a mixed game, using our pacey forwards in combonation with some long balls, to get behind them, plus could save a bit of energy.
    We are not yet clever enough in using the short ball possession game and with their relentless persuit, it would result in turning the ball over.
    Though no doubt Pardeux, has it figured out, as he appears to believe following our recent streak, that he’s the new Ferguson or Guardiola.

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    avatar GS says:

    Chuck @179: You know you only have 10 players, right? Add Shola and that is probably the team that Pardew will put out.

    Except for Williamson for MBiwa, Pardew sticks to his guns.

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    GS says: “Chuck @179: You know you only have 10 players, right?”

    Life’s a pitch sometimes Chuck :)

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    Porsonally I’d like to think that the SNO has understood that Anita is a quality player and can hold the midfield with wor Chieck.

    Leaving him to reinstate HBA as the “prompter” between Goof and Remy and Shirley up front ?

    Now pick the bones outta that ??? :)

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    avatar GS says:

    The strange thing is that Pardew has been talking up Ben Arfa and never starts him. “The Smug One” is trying his mind tricks on wor Ben Arfa.

    (by the way, Ed’s site call him Benny. That makes no sense at all. It is like calling o’Keefe “ovvy” or Anderson “sonny”.) Am I being too pedantic :)

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    avatar chuck says:

    AndyMac

    In all fairness, The Prince of Denmark, may be resort to claiming the same excuse as our beloved manager during his recent season in Europe.
    A shortage of bodies, though he had earlier stated, all he needed was a squad of around twenty or so souls.
    Obviously discounting the physicality and pace of the EPL, where there are undoubtedly more injuries.
    On the other hand, he didn’t appear to find fielding an injury ridden side to be much of a handycap, playing against Pardeux.
    Plus we are about to face a side that not many PL sides relish playing against, with a good young manager, some talented players (i recall we were interested in both Clyne, Lambert and Lallana) plus some pretty recent additions, where they spent heavily.
    A side that has shocked some of the present league leaders and believe in both themselves and their manager.

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    Yup I hear what you say about Laudrup and the Swans but they did fade slightly after a promising start in the EL.

    Speaking of which has anyone ever heard of PFC Ludogorets Razgrad ? Curently leading Group B in the EL with 16 points but with PSV in third and Dinamo Zagreb in 4th !

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    avatar chuck says:

    Yeah your right, hell i counted them twice trying to figure why i had no room for HBA.
    OK here’s a revised side.

    **************KRUL*************
    ***YANGA-M’BIWA***COLO********
    DEBUCHY******************SANTON
    *************TIOTE*************
    SISSOKO*****ANITA******GOUFFRAN
    ***********HBA*****************
    **************REMY*************

    A combination of those who can score, plus the fact both Gouffran and Sissoko, can track back constantly, both having great pace and engine rooms.
    That gives you five up front that can score, plus three of those five can track back.
    Plus the luxury of two attacking, WING BACKS.
    A well balanced side.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Sure, Private first class, Ludogorets Razdgrad, we were in the fourth training regiment to-gether during the Berlin Crisis in 1961, where we won the Fort Dix SOCCER title, yep!
    Often wondered what happened to old ludo, i heard he got rich by inventing a board game, which he named after himself.

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    avatar GS says:

    Chuck: Pardew will play Williamson and Shola.

    M’Biwa is a better player than Mike, but him and Coloccini in tandem do not work. Pards even recognizes that.

    We would all like to see ben Arfa in the team, but against Southampton Pardew will feel he needs a long ball outlet i.e. Shola knock downs for Remy. He wont drop the top scorer, so Hatem is on the bench.

    When you look at it, Pardew is not too far off our best team. Ben Arfa for Shola is the change most on here would say. Has he wised up?

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    Droll Chuck but assuredly wrong dates as PFC Razdgrad would have been dead by 2001 :(

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFC_Ludogorets_Razgrad

    Would go with your line up though except with Tiote and Anita as DM’s and the rest of your front line with HBA “prompting” and Remy up front ?

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    avatar tunyc says:

    chuck @ 173: I’ll be relaxing at home with a spliff in a bit. Thanks for the suggestion.

    As for Obama? I don’t care for him at all but I don’t make much of the photo. It’s the pro-corporate, anti-democratic and anti-populist policy he prefers that gets me.

    And GS-he’s a multimillionaire bestselling author, the chief executive of a superpower, commander-in-chief of the world’s largest and most expensive military and a guy who survived, nay mastered, the Chicago Democratic machine. He isn’t some babe in the woods, never was. He didn’t have to look past war crimes (BUSH, CHENEY) and financial crimes, he didn’t have to appoint the most Wall Street-iest cabinet ever, he didn’t have to refuse to support progressive members of his own party, he didn’t have to prosecute gov’t whistleblowers as spies (more than all other presidents combined), he didn’t have to greatly expand the drone program (would free up Tuesdays for something other than determining who lives and dies-but then according to him he’s “surprisingly good at killing people”) he didn’t have to institute “healthcare reform” that did nothing but permanently entrench private health insurance as middle men between the people and care with a piece of clearly fascist legislation. He doesn’t need you defending him and he doesn’t deserve it. He’s responsible for all the policies of his administration because they’re the policies HE WANTS. Too many people had a “Mission Accomplished” moment when he won in ’08 and subsequently have paid very, very little attention to what his administration has actually done. Which isn’t surprising, considering these are the same folks who had no idea what his voting record in the Senate was when they happily pulled the lever for him while bleating “hope & change.”

    /rant

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    avatar chuck says:

    AndyMac
    Actually with our four defenders plus Tiote sitting in front, plus the three mdfielders of Sissoko, Anita and Gouffran, who can track back all having good engines, i think we are covered there.
    Rather have Anita spraying the ball a bit further forward, with the added possibility of scoring.

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    avatar GS says:

    Andymac: the question we should ask is can we pick Southampton’s team? I can only name like 3 of their players and they keep that 16 mil forward on the bench.

    Whenever they have been on TV I honestly couldn’t be bothered to watch unless they were playing Man City or Chelsea, so I have probably seen about half a game. I never click on their stories in the papers either.

    So, if Worky writes his pre-match it would be interesting to see what he says. I would even be interested in Chuck’s views as he seems to keep up with Southampton.

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    Began by reading this “he didn’t have to appoint the most Wall Street-iest cabinet ever” and thought “he’s at the spliff already” !!! ;)

    However the rest is also true so I’ll give you the benefit of any doubt tunyc and assume you’ve suffered during the past four years or so ?

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    avatar chuck says:

    tunyc

    You forgot one important thing, that’s his ability to fool most of the people who voted for him, most of the time.
    Problem is the two party system, just doesn’t work, plus the US electorate , rate a big zero, when it comes down to understanding the realities of the system.

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    Tuck this into your favourites/bookmarks folder GS. All will be revealed :)

    http://www.football-lineups.com/tourn/FA_Premier_League_2013-2014/

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    “Problem is the two party system, just doesn’t work, plus the US electorate , rate a big zero, when it comes down to understanding the realities of the system”

    Probably true of the UK electorate too Chuck ? We live in a democracy but a large percentage of our population are idiots :(

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    avatar GS says:

    tunyc: I could give you another 100 things Obama has done wrong. At least he doesn’t eat babies like Cheney! They are all bad, but there are degrees of bad and the Wall Street and Pentagon lobbies had a lot to do with policies. The politicians are all whores who will sell their souls to get re-elected.

    I have lived here 23 years and see that Reagan is revered and Carter reviled. There is some seriously f@cked up sh@t there.

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    avatar chuck says:

    tuncy

    On the splif or joint front, i see where more and more countries are becoming aware of the fact it’s a substance that is in fact less dangerous than it’s legal cousin, alcohol.
    With many countries decriminalising it’s use, under cetain circumstances.
    Im not sure exactly how the present three States, California (legal if used with a medical prescription)
    C

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    avatar GS says:

    tunyc: and there is always the lessor evil factor.

    Obama was up against a daft old man and a batty former beauty queen and then a hedge fund manager who spent most of his time wrecking companies and jobs and hiding his money offshore.

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    avatar GS says:

    AndyMac @195: Did you see the form table on the left? NUFC top, Southampton bottom. I know we have won a few games recently, but that really surprised me.

    Maybe Southampton should be worrying about us :)

    We have a good shot at putting some good results together until Arsenal. Even discounting Pardew’s limited ability and arrogance.

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    avatar GS says:

    I mean the form table on the right.

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    GS says: “I mean the form table on the right”

    Would you like to phone a friend before finally deciding ?

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    avatar chuck says:

    Colorado ? legal i guess and Washington (state)also legal, though the Feds may not agree.
    Just recently Uruguay legalised it’s use and as far as i know both Holland and Spain, have decriminalised it’s use also, with sales allowed in Holland.
    The ramifications of legalisation are enormous, with sales probably outstripping that of General Motors, .
    imagine the tax revenues that would flow to the treasury.
    Legalisation,I’m sure it’s a temptation to the US government, who after all the years of demonizing drugs of any kind (other than those manufactured by the pharmacutical thieves) but cant very well explain to the public, (having spent billions in a failed “War On Drugs”) that it’s actually OK now.
    I suppose they will let the States do the work for them, then appear to give in to public pressure.
    But you can bet your ass, the taxing of sales has already been examined, with many salivating at the amount of revenue it will bring in.

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    avatar GS says:

    Andymac @202: mixing up left and right doesn’t really have much impact on here. Now, when driving, I could have a problem.

    It doesn’t detract from my point that Southampton, as the away team, might want to be worried about us. They have good players, but so do we.

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    avatar GS says:

    Chuck @203: it would certainly decrease the US prison population, brought about by institutionalized racism.

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    Just kidding GS, you’re 100% right of course. We are at opposite ends of the form table.

    However they’ve lost their central DM pairing plus their 1st choice keeper during which time they’ve played Arsenal, Chelsea, and Man City.

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    Wow that sounded like Pardwho forraminit? :lol:

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    avatar GS says:

    Just watched the match highlights again and Shearer and Savage made some good observations. They get killed in the press for being boring (Shearer) and at tw@t (Savage).

    I have my black and white glasses on again, or the press are a bit harsh.

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    As we all now know, and Shearer too, hindsight is a wunnerful thing. Unfortunately he wasnt as good at spotting deficiencies in opposing teams before the game :(

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    avatar GS says:

    @210, or picking coaches :)

    Chuck has made some very good points about premier league coaches/managers getting recycled. It happened again with Pulis.

    On a related point, how can Dowie still have a job as a pundit when he stank at his real job so badly?

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    Souness ? Graham Taylor ? and of course Big Ron Atkinson :lol:

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    “Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach”
    Prov. People who are able to do something well can do that thing for a living, while people who are not able to do anything that well make a living by teaching. GBS

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    avatar workyticket says:

    AndyMac says:
    December 13, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    “Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach”

    I’ve never understood why so many people say that, Andy. It’s actually one of the most ridiculous and untrue things ever said or written!

    Most of the greatest geniuses who ever lived taught. That’s how it works. Einstein was a professor, Nietzsche was a professor, Mozart taught, and he himself was taught by the great Haydn, Socrates taught Plato, Plato taught Aristotle and so on… I could go through just about every great genius in every field throughout history basically.

    I have a friend who was taught by Chris Hughton when he was doing his coaching badges. Decades ago when I was at Art School we used to get people like Patrick Heron and Bruce McLean (famous artists) to come in and talk to us.

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    Easy Tiger :) Its a quotation from GBS’s “Man and Superman” where he takes the mick out of teachers. Some are good and some not so good. Presumably GBS was more inclined towards the latter ?

    PS “I have a friend who was taught by Chris Hughton when he was doing his coaching badges” Where’s your friend managing now ?.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    chuck @ 194: can’t disagree with any of that. Regarding the ganja-brainwashed drug warriors are becoming less and less influential (i.e., they’re dying off) and economic imperative guarantees eventual legalization. Fed thugs will enforce prohibition though until the political situation is ripe and big tobacco/pharma corps are ready to take over.

    GS: not the LOTE thing…nooooo…faux-progressive Ds are, as blackagendareport puts it, the more effective evil. He’s gotten away with things without a peep that would have had centrists howling if Bush had done them. GOP ran weak pres candidates knowing they could get policy they want more effectively from a center-right D president and a toehold in the legislature. It’s worked out perfectly: sequester for everything but the military, the Ryan budget (that’s exactly what the Ds accepted to end the misnamed gov’t shutdown), extension of tax cuts for top 10% of earners, expansion of the drone program, pushing the Keystone pipeline, TPP and Korea trade agreements, etc. Again, these things would get opposed much more if Bush/McCain/Romney were trying to do them.

    Also, Obama-who admits to having used recreational drugs-could reschedule marijuana thereby legalizing it all on his own.If he wanted. But that might take time away from hobnobbing with financiers and bullshit photo ops.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    OK, enough of my crap.

    I do think Anita is the most nature replacement for Cabaye. More important though is getting the tactics right for this match.

    Have I mentioned that I have no confidence in Pardew?

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    avatar tunyc says:

    GS @ 206: also brought about by a privately-run prison system that is VERY profitable.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    AndyMac says:
    December 13, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    “Easy Tiger :) Its a quotation from GBS’s “Man and Superman”

    Aye Andy, I never agreed with his views on eugenics either, Hitler or no Hitler.

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