Newcastle United vs West Brom full match video, extended highlights and interviews

Newcastle United v West Bromwich Albion full match video – First half.

Second half.

Match highlights.

‘Match of the Day’ highlights of Saturday’s game.

Post match interviews.

Alan Pardew’s BBC post match interview.

Alan Pardew’s Sky Sports post match interview.

Steve Clarke.

Score and goalscorers.

Newcastle United 2 (Gouffran 36, Sissoko 57), West Bromwich Albion 1 (Brunt 53).

Teams and other match facts.

Newcastle United (4-4-2): Tim Krul (G); Mathieu Debuchy, Mike Williamson, Fabricio Coloccini (c), Davide Santon; Moussa Sissoko, Cheick Tiote, Yohan Cabaye, Yoan Gouffran; Shola Ameobi, Loic Remy (Vurnon Anita 84).

Subs: Rob Elliot (G), Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, Vurnon Anita, Sammy Ameobi, Gabriel Obertan, Hatem Ben Arfa, Papiss Cisse.

West Bromwich Albion (4-2-3-1): Boaz Myhill (G); Billy Jones, Gareth McAuley, Jonas Olsson, Liam Ridgewell; James Morrison, Youssuf Mulumbu; Morgan Amalfitano (Zoltan Gera 88), Stephane Sessegnon (Victor Anichebe 77), Chris Brunt (C, Saido Berahino 77); Shane Long

Subs: Luke Daniels (G), Goran Popov, Diego Lugano, Claudio Yacob, Zoltan Gera, Victor Anichebe, Saido Berahino.

Yellow cards: Chris Brunt (27), Cheick Tiote (32), Youssuf Mulumbu (89).

Red cards:

Referee: Phil Dowd.

Attendance: 49,296.

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  1. 1
    avatar AndyMac says:

    Thanks WT always better watching after we’ve won :-) Who knows if I’ll ever watch a live game again this season? :lol:

  2. 2
    avatar Grumpy Old-Toon says:

    Watching a game live is a bit like watching a horror movie. Knowing that the other team is pushing for a goal and possibly going to get it. Is a bit like willing the hero/heroine not to go into the cellar but you just have to keep watching to see if they do.

    The tension causes some sort of brain pain/pleasure chemistry that we enjoy!

    I hate knowing a result before I can at least watch the highlights.

  3. 3
    avatar AndyMac says:

    It’s only superstition GO-T. As soon as we lose I’ll be back watching live :)

    Agree with you btw about Goof. He’s Mr 100% ! (Avoids using cliche)

  4. 4
    avatar chuck says:

    Good game, between Chelsea and S’ampton, who are coming up soon for us.
    Potchetinno has his side playing a quick passing high tempo game, relentless when it comes to recovering possession, requiring an enormous physical effort.
    Which Chelsea took advantage of.
    They will be tough opponents for us, but should result in a good game, for the spectators.
    Things are starting to shake themselves out at this stage, with three managers having been fired and the quality sides like Citeh, and Chelsea moving up the table.
    Though it’s possibly the season with the most equality
    between sides, there being only a ten points gap between the top nine sides.
    On the other hand, our next opponents, Swansea are having a second year jinx, with the Prince of Denmark, no longer being touted for Real Madrid job.
    As a matter of fact, having possibly the worst season
    since their return to the top level, recently being beat by their fellow Welsh side Cardiff.
    In which case would appear to be an easier game than that against S’hampton.

  5. 5
    avatar Grumpy Old-Toon says:

    Andy

    Cliche’s, play for Spurs don’t he. :)

  6. 6
    avatar AndyMac says:

    Or Citeh :)

  7. 7
    avatar AndyMac says:

    Chuck was that a wind up ? Prince of Denmark is, after all, WT’s iconic dream manager. He has posters of him on his wall :)

    Will be a good test of how far Pardwho has come (if he’s moved at all) when he matches up against Laudrup and Pochettino. I see a point as the maximum return but who knows……

  8. 8
    avatar workyticket says:

    Grumpy Old-Toon says:
    December 1, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    “Cliche’s, play for Spurs don’t he. :)

    Grumpy, everybody knows he’s a full back for Man City.

  9. 9
    avatar AndyMac says:

    Ah but Chiricheș (pronounced Kicheess) plays for Spuds :)

  10. 10
    avatar AndyMac says:

    No Bony or Michu on Wednesday. Is Pardwho becoming a lucky manager?

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/swanseas-injured-michu-out-until-2683233

  11. 11
    avatar workyticket says:

    AndyMac says:
    December 1, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    “Is Pardwho becoming a lucky manager?”

    What if it keeps going this time, will you still keep calling him ‘Pardwho?’

    When we had our best Pardew winning run, six in a row, it was followed by over a season of awfulness.

  12. 12
    avatar GS says:

    AndyMac @10: that Mirror article was written Nov 6 and said Michu may be out until December. It is December.

  13. 13
    avatar AndyMac says:

    He’ll always be Pardwho to me WT and you know it. Its a constant reminder of how f***ing c***ish the Fatman can be :)

    As for young GS out in La La land looks like its touch and go ? Physioroom say he’s back on the 4th yet Laudrup thinks its too soon ?

  14. 14
    avatar AndyMac says:

    He’ll always be Pardwho to me WT and you know it. Its a constant reminder of how fecking kumtish the Fatman can be :)

    As for young GS out in La La land looks like its touch and go ? Physioroom say he’s back on the 4th yet Laudrup thinks its too soon ?

    Reposted and homogenised :)

  15. 15
    avatar workyticket says:

    AndyMac says:
    December 2, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    “As for young GS out in La La land looks like its touch and go ?”

    Andy, GS is in Chicago with Al Capone, Bugsy Moran and John Dillinger. It’s Paul from Hollywood who’s in La La land.

  16. 16
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: I hope your love for the Prince of Denmark doesn’t go as far as you not caring who wins, us or Swans. I remember another poster saying he didn’t care if we or Norwich won because of his respect for Hughton.

    I always would want Newcastle to win even if it sent the Prince or Hughton down.

    AndyMac: I hope it is too soon for Michu.

  17. 17
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: you know the Dillinger quote, right: “why do you rob banks? Because that’s where the money is”? I have been to the Biograph Theatre (Cinema) where he was killed. I am not sure if it is still there.

  18. 18
    avatar AndyMac says:

    La La Land is the whole of the US WT :lol:

    When looking at a map of the world, young Americans had a difficult time correctly identifying Iraq (1 in 7) and Afghanistan (17%). This isn’t that surprising, but only a slim majority (51%) knew where New York was. According to Forbes and National Geographic, an alarming 29% couldn’t point to the Pacific Ocean.

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  20. 20
    avatar GS says:

    AndyMac: did they do the same test for British schoolkids? I am not defending Yanks, but I am wondering if they would know where Chile, Brasil or Alaska were?

  21. 21
    avatar GS says:

    AndyMac @19: Again, I am not defending Yanks, but that link is simply not funny.

  22. 22
    avatar AndyMac says:

    Tis well known that Yanks are somewhat parochial GS. When you get Americans discussing stuff outside their own country they show themselves to be ingenues.

    This written by a man with family in the States !

  23. 23
    avatar GS says:

    Yeah, but, the uncyclopedia is meant to be funny and it is not. Maybe they should get some Americans to parody Americans. Larry David is pretty good at it.

  24. 24
    avatar GS says:

    And AndyMac: don’t get me wrong about the USA, USA, USA. The over-Patriotism, Religious zealotry, American Exceptionalism, Gods Country cr@p annoys the hell out of me.

  25. 25
    avatar GS says:

    It is almost as bad as David Cameron saying there is equal opportunity in Britain, pip pip.

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  27. 27
    avatar workyticket says:

    Well the Yanks on here are certainly quite intelligent. I actually think the the football (or soccer) fans could be more intelligent than over here as people of lower intelligence over there tend to be into stuff like Nascar and ‘Mercan Football.

    Most of the Americans I’ve met have been very intelligent, had degrees and have been living in London like myself, or travelling through the developing world so they’re hardly going to fit in with the stereotype you present.

    Dumber Yanks are constantly brainwashed that they’re living in the greatest, richest, freest, most successful country in the world and that everywhere else is awful (and probably communist too). Hence some of them might be less curious about Geography and exploring the world outside their own shores?

  28. 28
    avatar GS says:

    AndyMac: watching a really good game Fiorentina and Verona. I am happy, sometimes the internet doesn’t convey emotions :)

    It is 2-2 after 14 minutes.

  29. 29
    avatar AndyMac says:

    To be fair I didnt say the US population was unintelligent however I did say it was La La Land.

    America, the Land of the Free and the Home of the Uninformed !

  30. 30
    avatar GS says:

    @29: “land of the free”? Have you seen the NSA stuff?

  31. 31
    avatar AndyMac says:

    Twas tongue in cheek GS :)

  32. 32
    avatar GS says:

    I thought it was, but I was just letting you know that we are not all brainwashed over here. Oh, is that a knock at the door? Who are those men in dark suits and sun glasses?

  33. 33
    avatar workyticket says:

    Hull City owner Assem Allam is such a headbanger he’s even in danger of making Ashley look good.

  34. 34
    avatar chuck says:

    The old dumb yank conversation eh !
    I certainly agree that the present US K through 12th grade education levels are way behind their worldwide competitors.
    And that education has been dumbed down over the years.
    Education tends to be a mixed bag here, largely depending on where one lives.
    The welthier the comunity, usually the better the school system and vice versa, though naturally exceptions to the rule occur.
    On the other hand third level education is now available to many more and in this field, the US leads both in quality and quantity.
    Yes there are those who’s lack of basic geography, history and language, is appalling, but i believe you will find that in most countries, not only in the US.

  35. 35
    avatar chuck says:

    And yeah, there is a lot of flag waving and a certain amount of chauvinism involved.
    But that’s how a very disparate population were united from a very recent beginning, a constant reminder of who we are and what we stand for.
    Whereas most countries have been established for centuries and are for the most part united by a common race or language.
    Yeah i also understand we talk a lotta nonsense in regard to freedom and democracy, but tell me which country doesn’t call itself a democracy, an espouse the same ideas.
    I’m not sure whether, the average contributer to this blog considers Americans to be dumber than their British counterparts, but if thats the case, time to re evaluate a lot of that which you may consider fact.

  36. 36
    avatar tunyc says:

    worky-flattery will get you everywhere!

    Yes, we’re a nation of damn fools, by and large. But hey, culture today is global, right? I’m having to put up with One Direction now, aren’t I? Lol…

    GS-true about the NSA but make no mistake that all the other governments complaining about it are putting on theater. Hasn’t the UK (along with Sweden, shame that) been the USG’s stooges in this whole Julian Assange thing for a while now? Didn’t GCHQ recently claim that a journalist carrying documents leaked by a whistleblower is engaging in terrorism? I guess Uncle Karl was right (again) about the global capitalist elite having no fatherland. (Yeah, yeah-put me on ANOTHER list, NSA…)

  37. 37
    avatar chuck says:

    Yeah i was just reading about the Hull owner.
    And noticed the fact he is Egyptian born, whereas Ashley is English.
    Could there be more resentment to-wards foreign owners ?
    And the question arises, who own the club ?
    Certainly the owner paid good money for it, but the fans claim it’s their club, through i suppose some historic sense.
    FFS if the man hs put his dosh down for the club and is paying the bill

  38. 38
    avatar chuck says:

    bills, then he is entitled to call them whatever his heart desires.
    I mean how many cities are there, hell if he wants to call them the wart hogs, no worse than city imo.
    And before anyone comes up with the recent renaming of St. James’ Park, that’s something entirely different.
    Though i do sympathise with Cardiff’s fans in regard to changing a hundred years of playing in blue shirts, at the whim of the owners, who consider red to be a luckier color.
    Then as i emember their fellow Welshmen, who i recall were known as Swansea Town, have bigged themselves up to
    Swansea City, without a murmor of discontent, strange !

  39. 39
    avatar GS says:

    Hull is the UK City of Culture in 2017. That’s a bit like when the bin dippers had it a few years ago, although they did have the Beatles.

    Hull have … fish? If I was a billionaire and bought Hull City I would change the name to Fishmongers. And change the strip to scaly grey, with a fish and the humber bridge on the badge. I would also flood the pitch and have them playing in flippers.

    Some of these owners are just nuts and I don’t think my blueprint for Hull would be that out of place :)

  40. 40
    avatar chuck says:

    If i were in the UK, i think i would be more concerned by the actions of the British GCHQ than by anything the NSA does.
    They have been recognised as being a larger interceptor of both satelite communications and having access to the Atlantic and European land lines, a veritable trove of communicatons, that they share with the NSA.
    Of course, they try to placate the general public and explain their spying on them, as something in their best interest, defending the nation!
    Too late, it’s no longer possible to fly under the radar, CCTV, credit cards and now smart phones and computers have made our lives an open book, to whoever
    has the ability to tap into it, with the GCHQ and NSA leading the charge.

  41. 41
    avatar chuck says:

    Andy Mac @ 7 #

    I only call em as i see em, if it’s offensive to someones sensebilities, i take the Pontius Pilate approach.

  42. 42
    avatar chuck says:

    Amstel time, the cocktail hour, coupla beers and a lot of bullshit.
    Later.

  43. 43
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    The Swansea Vs Newcastle game is live on BTSport 1 on Wednesday night.

    Which is nice.

  44. 44
    avatar GS says:

    Why would Coloccini’s wife post intimate and personal tweets about their relationship. Isn’t the point of twitter that it is open for everybody to see and reply to?

    It seems to me she is seeking drama, attention, sympathy, fame? Whatever it is, it can’t be good for Coloccini and I would be more mad at her than sorry for her if I was him. Why would you go back to f@cking Arginina for that? If he does, it would show he is a P#ssy.

  45. 45
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 2, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    “Hull is the UK City of Culture in 2017. That’s a bit like when the bin dippers had it a few years ago, although they did have the Beatles.”

    GS, I think you’re the one who needs a bit of culcha if you the Beatles are the only cultural thing you know from either Liverpool or Hull. ;-)

    I was having vaguely similar thoughts about Mrs. Coloccini spilling her guts on Twitta. It was all a bit bad teenage poetry as well rather than something from a grown woman. She sounds as daft as a brush but those Latins are bit funny like that I suppose.

  46. 46
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: I’ve never been to Liverpool or Hull, so I was flying blind. Was trying to change the subject away from moaning about USA bashing.

    Quotes from Allam:

    “Allam, however, gives short shrift to any opposition and he told the Independent on Sunday: “I don’t mind ‘City till we die’.

    “They can die as soon as they want, as long as they leave the club for the majority who just want to watch good football.”

    I can sort of understand the context of what he said but it is not very good PR.

  47. 47
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS, Some sage advice from a very famous Hull poet:

  48. 48
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    December 2, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Quotes from Allam:

    “Allam, however, gives short shrift to any opposition and he told the Independent on Sunday: “I don’t mind ‘City till we die’.

    “They can die as soon as they want, as long as they leave the club for the majority who just want to watch good football.”

    GS, that’s just one thing he’s said out of many things. He’s completely off his head. He’s telling people the club has been called Hull City Tigers since it was founded in the 1900s. He’s also insisting that everything has been approved by the FA even though the FA have come out and said nothing has been approved.

    They’ve got a real nutter there.

  49. 49
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    December 2, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    “If i were in the UK, i think i would be more concerned by the actions of the British GCHQ than by anything the NSA does.
    “They have been recognised as being a larger interceptor of both satelite communications and having access to the Atlantic and European land lines, a veritable trove of communicatons, that they share with the NSA.
    “Of course, they try to placate the general public and explain their spying on them, as something in their best interest, defending the nation!
    “Too late, it’s no longer possible to fly under the radar, CCTV, credit cards and now smart phones and computers have made our lives an open book, to whoever
    has the ability to tap into it, with the GCHQ and NSA leading the charge.”

    I cam see what you mean Chuck, but maybe it’s huge supra-national corporations that we should all worry about the most?

  50. 50
    avatar GS says:

    Januzaj is on the shortlist for BBC young sport personality of the year :) How many games has he played? I’m thinking the BBC must be clairvoyant as they are seeing into the future and have him in the team and playing well and want to be prepared for that.

  51. 51
    avatar chuckk says:

    Worky

    No doubt, they (the Multi National organizations) are the leading gatheres of info about us (apart from the National snoops) and are much more subtle about how they go about it.
    However, for the average person, it has become almost impossible to live below the radar.
    Being few ever read whats allowed by law as far as the use of personal info is concerned in their present agreement with banks etc.
    That and information we consider somewhat sacrosant, is available through how agreements are WORDED !
    It’s difficult to understand, what within the law we are actually agreeing too?
    It appears not only do we have to comply with governmental issues, but in fact be more afraid of the private sector, who have more information about you.
    It appears the age of big brother, has passed, we are into a much more controlling era where not only do we have to worry about the public sector, but moreso the private sector.

  52. 52
    avatar chuckk says:

    Have we reached the age of the “Corporate World” where the corporations including the Japanese and Korean trading companies, plus the large multi national corporations of Europe the US and others who are actually calling the shots ?
    I have no doubt that there are those who are bought and sold by Wall St. and their “K” St. fixers on a daily basis.
    But is there a way to make changes ? no !
    Unfortunately.

  53. 53
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    December 2, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    “Yeah i was just reading about the Hull owner.
    And noticed the fact he is Egyptian born, whereas Ashley is English.
    Could there be more resentment to-wards foreign owners ?”

    No, it’s just because he is completlely dishonest, insulting, autocratic and a complete buffoon who’s as mad as a box of frogs.

    Could you imagine if Ashley seriously tried to convince people that Newcastle United hadn’t been called ‘Newcastle United Football Club’ for the past 120 years, that it had all been a dream like Bobby Ewing in Dallas and that it’s real name had always been ‘Newcastle Tigers’? :lol:

    Listen to the audio of the interview, he’s completely unhinged. It’s embarrassing.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/hull-city-assem-allam-interview-2784476

  54. 54
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    There are too many wannabe Despots creeping into the Premier league, Who think they can ride roughshod over a clubs traditions and history.
    Look at that Vincent Tan, If i was Malky Mckay, I would tell him to stick his job right up his a**e!
    He gave a kid who was working as a labourer on the new stadium, The D.O.F position, Just because he was family!
    Nepotism has reached new levels of stupidity!

    These Egotistical Idiots think that because they own the club, They can do what they like.
    Where Ashley and some of these other pricks are concerned, The Premier league should step in and stop these people from their actions.
    These people are not fit to run Football Clubs, And there should be lots of vetting, Before some of these characters are allowed to buy Clubs.

    In an ideal World, That should be the case, But nobody says anything, Because it’s all about money, As per usual!
    When you buy a Football Club, You are not buying a business like any other.
    You are investing in the people who make the Club what it is, The Fans!
    The Club is nothing without them, And these people should be treated with respect they deserve!

  55. 55
    avatar workyticket says:

    Are fans important? Most of the Newcastle United ones are just spineless nonentities nowadays. Just look at them after a few wins, they’re completely supine and pathetic once again and Ashley can do whatever he likes. They make me laugh when they try to act all militant for a few days. They make Ashley laugh as well, all the way to the bank.

  56. 56
    avatar tunyc says:

    worky @ 55 – and that’s just it.

    Football clubs used to be more than JUST businesses, though they were always businesses. This was reflected in the mindset of the supporters who weren’t always willing to give up identity or tradition or history or values or really anything at all for “good football.” Owners like this Allam character suggest the question: what is the limit to what supporters will give up for good football or in this case any football as unlike the Ashley purchase scenario here, I understand that Hull really were about to be wound up before this guy bought. But if what you’re left with is, say, a club with a different name, different color of shirt, a generic corporate-branded building, etc. and an owner who claims the right to dictate what the club not only is and will be but has been-what’s the point? You’re basically, as Jerry Seinfeld put it, rooting for laundry.

    Our only out is that NUFC’s recent history and traditions have been all about dysfunction and scandal, both real and imagined.

  57. 57
    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    December 3, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    “I understand that Hull really were about to be wound up before this guy bought”

    Did it go into administration or liquidation? Did Newcastle United go into administration or liquidation? They always exaggerate stuff like that if they want to justify something hideous, and anyone could say that a club could’ve gone into administration if such and such happened, but the fact is they didn’t.

    If someone actually comes along and takes a club out of admiistration then fair enough, but enough of this could’ve / might’ve / possibly bullshit.

  58. 58
    avatar GS says:

    What is he on about:

    “Pardew said: ‘You have to prove yourself as a manager at any club, but particularly at a big club, that you can handle the tough times.

    ‘I did that at West Ham and got a lot of respect from West Ham fans, more for that, probably, than some of the great victories and getting to the cup final and the promotion we got.

    ‘Maybe it will be the same here. Maybe in the future, people will look back on that year and say, “Well, he still handled it with a bit of dignity and respect”, which I tried to do.

    ‘Bobby Robson brought that to this job and for me, that’s the beacon for me to make sure I uphold those traditions.’ ”

    I think Pardew was probably meaning this as a compliment but it is so easy to take it as him using Robson’s name to shine a better light on himself. He was sacked from West Ham.

    He was sounding reasonable recently and even made a few jokes. But, he can’t help himself. After a few wins, the ego resurfaces.

  59. 59
    avatar Tripp says:

    My impression is that Hammers fans think he’s a complete tit, or in their darker moment that spectacular word that starts with a ‘c’.

  60. 60
    avatar workyticket says:

    Tripp says:
    December 3, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    “My impression is that Hammers fans think he’s a complete tit, or in their darker moment that spectacular word that starts with a ‘c’.”

    To be fair, Tripp, I think there are a few who don’t actually hate him at West Ham. 110% of Charlton fans hate him and Iain Dowie though.

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    avatar GS says:

    I looked at the Telegraph match preview and it said Michu is still out for our game. It also said Marveaux and Obertan started yesterdays U21 game as they press for a 1st team place. I really hope Pardew hasn’t frozen Marveaux out because he is a good player.

  63. 63
    avatar tunyc says:

    worky-fair enough. I now find that Allam himself is the only source for this claim of Hull facing an HMRC winding up petition.

    The Big Lie, again. Got me.

  64. 64
    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    December 3, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    “worky-fair enough. I now find that Allam himself is the only source for this claim of Hull facing an HMRC winding up petition.”

    Exactly, the man who said that Hull City have been called ‘Hull City Tigers’ since 1904, that the name Hull City Tigers name is already registered with the FA when the FA say it isn’t and so on…

  65. 65
    avatar chuck says:

    Worky sez,,,
    She sounds daft as a brush (havn’t heard that one in a long time)
    But those latins are a bit funny like that i suppose .

    Erm yeah ! actually it’s a different culture ye kna.
    Sounds a bit “wogs start at Calaise” like.

  66. 66
    avatar chuck says:

    Hey ! i kinda like the sound of “Ull Tigers”, as opposed to the bland old citeh, which every other club in football has.

  67. 67
    avatar chuck says:

    Which raises the question, why are we (i know it’s obvious) called the magpies, and not the seahorses, as that’s whats displayed on the team crest.
    Should we not replace those seahorses with a magpie like?

  68. 68
    avatar chuck says:

    Thats something that should be examined, talking about this resistence to change, whether anyone bothers to examines the pro’s and cons involved.
    I really see nothing wrong in a name change, especially from City to Tigers, and that old nonsense, it’s part of our history, rings hollow at best, being Hull has not exactly had much of a history that many would like to remember.

  69. 69
    avatar workyticket says:

    Michael Laudrup’s pre match conference before the game with us. The bit from 5.30 onwards is interesting (well, to me anyway). He’s answering questions about the injuries to Bony, Michu and the amount of fixtures etc. There’s a complete contrast in psychology to Pardew.

  70. 70
    avatar chuck says:

    The possibility that Newcastle United could be named either East End or West End, or even Newcastle Rangers,
    as opposed to United plus wear the original colors of red and white stripes(sound familiar)is a matter of the choices made at that time.
    Plus if examined, i believe you will find the histories of most clubs to be similar.

  71. 71
    avatar tunyc says:

    chuck @ 68: personally I find that to be a red herring. All you have to do sell something to anyone these days is convince them it’s NEW!!1 I find modern western culture to be not at all averse to change. Look at our current president over here: another corporate plutocrat-friendly war hawk who used the idea of “change” to foist himself on a nation that wanted nothing more than curbing of corporate influence and an end to imperial war.

    We have more problem with the question: is there any value to tradition?

    Hey, why don’t my St. Louis Cardinals just officially change the name to St. Loo Cards, start playing in blue uniforms-or even better, uniforms with shorts instead of pants. Yeah, all that would be “interesting” and certainly “different” to what most baseball teams do. And who cares about our gray unis and the word “Cardinals”? They’ve only been part of the team’s identity for 121 years…

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    avatar tunyc says:

    chuck-also, if it’s such a small thing, why does Allam insist on it? Because it’s “more modern” or “less common”? That’s worth picking a fight with a portion of your support? Methinks the real reason is that Allam sees himself as the absolute authority and values his whims and opinions more than the club’s identity. Do you see any problem in that?

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    avatar chuck says:

    Hmm! appears “The Prince of Denmark” is waffling a bit from has statement a couple of seasons ago.
    Where he stated he only needed a small squad.
    Now it seems he is copping a plea, that the side’s less than expected record in the league, is due to injuries.
    And qualifying it by stating , more or less that his present lack of quality in reserve is to blame.
    Welcome to football Prince, as if he didn’t realise the faster more physical game played by EPL squads is bound to produce more injuries.
    Second year jinx ?
    Perhaps he’s just been found out, after all his was not exactly a remarkable history of management, though both he and his brother were great players, who played for some great managers, not always any guarantee of success of course, as we see.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Chuck, it is impossible to take you seriously.

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    avatar chuck says:

    tunyc

    Actually most of what i wrote, was tongue in cheek, or devels advocate stuff.

    I understand not everyone picks up on it, as i refuse to use smiley faces.

    But one thing no one can deny is the fact the UK is somewhat hidebound in regard to tradition, regarding it with an almost religious fervor.

    Wheras some countries celebrate old pagan festivals, mostly based on the seasons, by burning bonfires.

    The UK celebrates by a reburnung of poor old old Guy Fawkes, who has actually got some recent street cred, by the use of a mask representing him, worn by those involved in street demonstrations.

    Could the demonized Guy Fawkes revert to being the new hero of the demonstrating class.

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    avatar GS says:

    Chuck: I wish you would use smileys, it would avoid a lot of misunderstandings.

    You use e-mail and probably texts and they’re relatively new.

    I don’t use twitter but I don’t really have anything against it except it can become almost a cult thing, is very open to manipulation and is usually the bland following the bland. I actually couldn’t give a shite whether Justin Bieber has a new tattoo.

    Maybe I do have something against twitter :)

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    avatar chuck says:

    tunyc

    It’s his toy and he can do as he pleases, plus i think there’s more than meets the eye on the part of fans and owner.

    He being an Egyptian born, coming to a place like Hull and changing the clubs name, i believe brings a certain racial context to the situation, that wouldn’t have existed had he been a local born businessman.

    As both sides have clearly dug their heels in, the inevitible result will be Hull Tigers will be playing and not Hull City.

    Just as NUFC was replaced by Sports Direct, the hammer is in the owners hand, not the fans.

    Anyone disagreeing with the last statement, look around and point out any sign for St.James Park, yeah we have a NUFC sign, but eveywhere else one looks, including the boards, it’s all SD crap.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Worky @ 74 #

    Yes of course, wish others would pick up on that.
    Though sometimes i can be serious.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    December 3, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    “But one thing no one can deny is the fact the UK is somewhat hidebound in regard to tradition, regarding it with an almost religious fervor.”

    Chuck, you’re being a daft Yank with your misinformed cliches about the jolly old UK again. :-) In the things that really matter day to day it’s actually the exact opposite. Obama isn’t the only twat who bangs on about ‘change’ all the time.

    Everything is changing all the time over here to the point where it’s just completely f***ing everything up. Professionals such as Teachers or Doctors and others are just absolutely sick to death of constant, churning reforms in the health service, education, councils or whatever because ‘change’ sounds good and also presents newer and better opportunities for corruption.

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    avatar GS says:

    Mackems botton again with Chelsea tomorrow. Tony Pulis has never been relegated ya knaa. Now, if only Tony could have a word with Chamakh about his hair.

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    avatar GS says:

    I mean, he has a fringe (bangs), a partial Mohawk and a semi-mullet. Plus, enough hair gel to use up the worlds oil supply for a day.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Well there’s a certain amount of truth in that.
    Actually i’m not entirely in favor of change for changes sake.
    And as one who seen many changes, agree that not all were welcome or resulted in improvement.
    Though i believe the UK in comparison to certain other states is somewhat hidebound in it’s approach.
    Not so much about acquiring the new, but in disgarding the old.
    I give as an example the costly entertaining of a whole bunc

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    avatar GS says:

    tunyc: have you used that NBC sports extra time? I did on Saturday and we can get the game live tomorrow using the on-demand service.

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    avatar GS says:

    tunyc: if you are at work, you can watch the replay for a few days using the extra time service. Who needs Worky, eh :)

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    avatar chuck says:

    bunch of Royals, with special trains, planes and living a life of luxury.
    A non political head of state, which is actually nowhere close to the truth, possibly the most political family in the country, fighting tooth and nail to preserve and expand their private fortunes and increase their
    government allowances.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    December 3, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    “bunch of Royals, with special trains, planes and living a life of luxury.”

    Chuck, we only keep them for the daft Yanks, they love all that shite with the palaces and the shiny coaches etc (except for you, obviously). They more than pay for themselves with all the greenbacks they bring in. :-)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Anyway Chuckles, leaving the UK out of things for a moment, the most modern progressive countries over here, and the world are probably Scandinavian ones like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, or outside Scandinavia the Netherlands, all Monarchies.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Yes indeed monarchies, but for the most part “bicycle monarcheis”, who live quiet lifestyles for a much smaller cost to the public.
    I doubt if the British royals true cost were added up they would be anywhere near being in the black.
    Only recently there were complaints, concerning princess Ann using government paid for helicopters to take her to horse shows, plus a whole private train, ridiculess.

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    avatar chuck says:

    AS for Scandanavia, they may be called monarchies, but their royals are for the most part no more than an adornment, tolerated by stable democracies.
    Which have led the world in living standards since the end of WW11.

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    avatar GS says:

    Did you two really get into a monarchy fight because of the Laudrup/Prince of Denmark clip?

    I remember someone telling me this was a football site and I should stick to the subject :)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS, I’ve just been watching a film on Niccolo Machiavelli and his pamphlet, ‘The Prince’ too. Have you read that one? That and Chung Tzu’s ‘The Art of War’ is usually essemtial reading for business whizzes.

    Chuckles, one vital role performed by our monarchy over here is to keep idiots and loonies busy. If you don’t believe me, just read the Daily Mail and the Daily Express. :-)

    And our loonies aren’t as bad as your Republican loonies over there anyway

    http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/obama/obama-and-hitler-similarities.htm

    Though funnily enough, I do agree with them about Obama, just for different reasons.

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky: the only stuff I have read about Machiavelli was in Bertrand Russell’s “History of Western Philosophy”. Amazon recommemended “The Art of War for Success” a couple of years ago and I bought it but haven’t picked it up.

    I am not that big into the self-help stuff anyway and I haven’t worked for a couple of years. I keep meaning to get a job or do something on my own but then I realize I would have to deal with the sh*ts that I wanted away from in the first place.

    Soon, I will have to do something as I am not a business whiz as you call it and will need to make some more money. I am knowledgeable on finance but that doesn’t always prevent you from being sucker punched by Wall Street and the City. I did call the financial crisis absolutely correctly but got back in a bit early and then sold after making a bit, but not a sh@t load.

    It’s also difficult when the most overvalued market is also the most expensive, and they are building tech bubble 2. The question is when does the music stop?

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky: since you brought it up. People have such short memories. They forget that Yahoo was once a $200B company and Blackberry $100B. Now they are bidding up their new favourites. Google for example is priced like it will have every advertising dollar in the world, Amazon like they will own all of retail and Netflix like they will be all of the studios and networks rolled into one.

    Priceline is valued at $60 f@cking Billion. C’mon, there is a ton of competition and there really isn’t a load of money in airline and hotel bookings.

    Somebody is going to win and somebody is going to lose and all tech is priced like a winner at the moment.

    There’s probably another year when prices get even more stupid and then the music will stop.

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    avatar GS says:

    And Worky, have you seen bitcoin? It is a virtual currency and has gone from $13 in January to about $1,200 today. It seems like the ultimate cyber sucker bubble but I haven’t looked into it that closely. I think it will end up being a textbook case when they look at manias, bubbles, fads and panics. At the moment it is speculators doing most of the trading but the public will probably not be too far behind on what looks like the ultimate pump and dump.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS, the Prince and the Art of War aren’t ‘self help’ books FFS!

    Of course, the best book of all to read on finance is Karl Marx’s the Capital, which is the manual on how Capitalism works.

    To an honest man it seems stupid sometimes. For hundreds of years it was thought of as a bad idea to lend money to people who couldn’t pay it back, then all of a sudden it was actually a good idea for some reason. Why? And why did so many major financial institutions buy into it without thinking that most of this wouldn’t get paid back and everything would go Pete Tong?

    How many financial experts were involved in the Euro too? Why couldn’t any of them see that you can’t just put the the economies of hard working northern beer drinking countries like Germany, Austria, the Netherlands etc together with those of lazy, corrupt, wine glugging southern economies like Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal etc in the same currency? Surely, anyone with a triple figure IQ could see that was going right off key from the start too?

    But then again, Angela Merkel has now done what Kaiser Wilhelm and Adolf Hitler couldn’t. Europe is Germany’s now and Merkel is the de facto leader of the world’s largest economy.

    As for investing, I don’t really think it’s that hard to see (if you’re a twat) that when things go tits up like they did in 2008, it’s best to invest in shitty companies like Sports Direct and Wetherspoons (a shitty, cheap pub chain over here). I would’ve invested loads in Sports Direct and Weatherspoons in 2008 if I was a c**t who didn’t care about zero hour contracts and shit like that and I would’ve got 7-20 odd times ROI by now.

    What is much harder and far more admirable is to make money investing in more ethical companies who actually provide a genuine benefit tp society.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    chuck @ 77: yes, he can do what he pleases. So can the supporters. Again, though, what’s the point? Both sides need to be flexible but I think Allam has chosen to be intrasigent over something stupid. I can see why this is important to some fans; I can’t figure out what it is to Allam other than a whim.

    I wholly disagree about the race/nationality (which is it anyway?) thing, except that it maybe adds a piquant element that makes the media follow it more. This really isn’t very different to the situation with Ashley who is, as far as I know, English.

    Oh, and yeah-we’re so different here. We don’t have royalty, true. We have the asshole heirs to the Wal-Mart fortune though who hold more wealth than 40% of the nation’s population. We certainly have aristocratic families (we could get our third Bush president in 2016), make no mistake. And if you think our political class ride on the same transport as you & I then you haven’t been paying enough attention. Armed guards, police motorcades, helicopter rides to kids’ ball games (lookin’ at you Chris “Fiscal Responsibility” Christie), Air Force 1, armored limosines, etc., etc. The royals are a distracting (and understandably annoying to many) bauble, the underlying capitalist reality is the same.

    GS-thanks for the tips. Never have used that but will now.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    worky-good reading recommendations, only one addition from me: Castiglione’s The Book of the Courtier. It’s kinda like The Prince but with some funny bits. Machiavelli was a ruthlessly dour and serious person. Not a guy you’d want to go to the pub with as my undergraduate history advisor would put it.

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    avatar chuck says:

    What do we have here the Fguging Wall St. Journal lite.
    This is a monarchies blog.
    Oops i mean football!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS, on the bitcoin thing, did you read the story about the man over here who threw away his hard drive and lost millions of pounds / dollars worth of bitcoins? The hard drive is on a landfill somewhere in Newport or something like that.

    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/27/hard-drive-bitcoin-landfill-site

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    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    December 4, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    “I wholly disagree about the race/nationality (which is it anyway?) thing, except that it maybe adds a piquant element that makes the media follow it more. This really isn’t very different to the situation with Ashley who is, as far as I know, English.”

    So do I really, but there are a few similarities between Allam and his fellow Egyptian, ex-Fulham owner, Mohammed al Fayed. Tact and sanity aren’t strong points with either of them. Can you remember what Al Fayed said to Fulham fans when put that big sculpture of Michael Jackson with the glove at Craven Cottage? :-)

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/apr/03/mohamed-al-fayed-michael-jackson-statue

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    avatar chuck says:

    Should be an interesting game to-day.
    With Swansea missing both of their big time goalscores.
    Though that shouldn’t bother “The Prince of Denmark”.
    Following his claim, he doesn’t require a big squad, lets see ?
    Our genius has reached the conclusion, that Shola may not be able to play three games in a week, duh!
    His ass was dragging on Saturday, meaning it doesn’t take a Sherlock Holmes to figure he has difficulty playing one game.
    Plus he left him out there, rather than sub him, why ?
    The Williamson thing has become even more bizarre, with recent claims he’s playing better than both Ramos and Lahm.
    I’m still curious as to why we have seen little of Marveaux these last few weeks, has he suddenly become a bad player, he looked pretty decent last time i saw him.
    To put in that clown Obertan ahead of him is IMO not a great move.
    Plus the fact we are involved in a lot of games at this time of year, would suggest we platoon some of our hard working midfield, if they start at least pull them early in the game.
    Pardew is making comments about having everyone fit and having some depth, but what;s the point if he doesn’t take advantage of it.
    Mr predictable.
    Plays a winning till they lose, what a guy.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Worky @ 95 #

    So you consider those from the southern tier areas of the EU, to be lazy, corrupt, wine gluggers, as opposed to their hard working , beer drinking neighbors to the north.
    Bit of a generalisation init ?
    Do you really believe that? or are you being facetious?
    I mean the French are wine gluggers, are they included, or is it only the southern French and does that also include any of our current players?
    Certainly Santon fits in a geographic sense.
    Look i could go on, examining your statement, to show how ridiculess it is, but i think most get the picture.

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    avatar chuck says:

    And oh!
    In case you included the UK as one of those hard working northern European countries, take a look at the GDP levels, where they are ranked fourteenth in Europe, slighly above the wine glugging state Italy and just below that other wine glugger, France, in other words the lowest ranking in both wages and GDP of the northern tier.
    Also interesting to note, that the former british colonies, such as Hong Kong, Singapore, Canada, Ireland, New Zeland et al.
    Are all wealthier than the motherland, why is that i wonder.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Chuck, honestly, you need to lighten up a bit. :roll:

    We get the message, you don’t like the UK very much.

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    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    Any Banter tonight Worky young Man?
    Just got an e-cigarette it’s as big as Jimmy Saville’s Cigar with a Blue/Purple end :lol:

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    avatar workyticket says:

    sirjasontoon says:
    December 4, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    “Any Banter tonight Worky young Man?”

    Aye, I’m just fuming about referees in it ATM as I’ve given up the tabs and I’m fuming at everything (though I’m not actually ‘fuming’ in the literal sense anymore). I haven’t killed anyone yet.

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    avatar sirjasontoon says:

    Just Punch a horse Worky or gauge your own eye out and get a Toon Eye…with the clubs permission of course :lol:

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    avatar workyticket says:

    The match banter is up now, SJT and everyone else.

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky said:

    “GS, the Prince and the Art of War aren’t ‘self help’ books FFS!”

    You misunderstood what I said @92. Amazon had recommended a book called “the Art of War for Success”. It is a self-help book that I haven’t read. I did read the blurb last night though and the author said The Art of War was the “first self-help book”. Funny that.

    If you read @92 I never said anything about The Prince or The Art of War being self help, but I can understand why you thought I did.

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