Newcastle United v Aston Villa match preview

Paul Lambert & Alan Pardew

Who’ll win the tactical battle?

Date: Sunday 23rd February 2014.
Time: 13:30.
Venue: St James’ Park.
Referee: Martin Atkinson.
UK TV: Sky Sports 1.

It’s a mid-table battle at St James’ Park on Sunday as Newcastle play Aston Villa and I reckon both teams will think they can win it too.

Villa will fancy their chances against us given our recent atrocious run of form. But having the home advantage against mid-table opposition should give us some hope that we might be able to use this fixture to halt our recent decline, which would be a welcome relief.

The league form for both teams from the last eight games looks like this:

  P W D L F A Pts/Max Last 8
Newcastle 8 1 1 6 3 15 4/24 L|L|L|W|D|L|L|L
Aston Villa 8 2 3 3 10 12 9/24 D|W|L|D|W|L|L|D

As you can see, Villa’s form is better than ours to the tune of five points over the last eight games. Villa managed a draw away to Cardiff in the last game whereas our last point was at Norwich on the 28th January. We haven’t scored a goal since the match before that – away to West Ham on 18th January – and it’s probably no coincidence that we’ve been without Yohan Cabaye for all four of the intervening games and without Loic Remy for the last three of them.

This week, Villa captain Ron Vlaar claimed that spirits were still high in the Villa camp despite three straight losses:

The results before that were good so it didn’t really dent confidence,” said Vlaar.

But it does do something. You have to react and we’ve done that well. After [the defeat by West Ham], the team spirit we’ve shown has been really good. Everton is a game you can lose.

It’s really close in the table but we definitely need points. We can go on with the spirit we’ve shown and we can build on things.

However, I fear spirits aren’t particularly high in the Newcastle camp. We have, after all, sold our best player – our midfield engine room – without replacement, although I suspect the discontent runs a bit deeper than that single transaction and into the realms of club ambition. The players must wonder what sort of future they can expect whilst Ashley is at the helm. It seems that anyone who makes a name for himself and shows any ambition will be sold, making Newcastle United a bit like a transit lounge: just somewhere to sit before being moved on to a better place. That has got to be disheartening for those players left at the club. I know we’re a selling club and that profits will be taken on players if possible but there are ways to do that which would reduce the impact on the pitch. A bit of forward planning would help. Replacements for sold players could be lined up – or even bought – ahead of player sales and the club could at least act as if it has one eye on the business of playing football. At least that might give the fans and the players some hope.

Anyway, we’re in 9th place and we’ve got a comforting nine point cushion separating us from Swansea, West Ham and Villa – who all sit on 28 points in 10th, 11th and 12th place respectively – but that will soon be eroded if we don’t start taking three points at home against teams like Villa. As it happens, I have an inkling that we might at least get a point out of this game, although I don’t know why. It might just be misplaced optimism. Or possibly desperate hope.

In terms of the team, Fabricio Coloccini should be available for selection after seven weeks on the sidelines recovering from a knee injury, although he may not be risked on Sunday. Cheik Tiote and Gabriel Obertan should have shaken off lesser injuries thanks to the ten day break. Ryan Taylor is of course still crocked with an ACL knee injury and he has probably forgotten what a football looks like by now. Loic Remy will return from the three match ban he was handed after some handbags with Norwich’s Bradley Johnson but, if rumours are to be believed (and I know they rarely are), Sylvain Marveaux may not figure in Pardew’s plans as, following the Spurs match, he has been on the naughty step and was allegedly made to train with the bairns, though this has been denied by Pardew since the time of writing.

During the week, Pardew had this to say about the state of his squad:

Colo’s worked hard and he’s looking better. He was in all weekend, so he’s had four or five days. Loic’s available, Cheik’s running well and Colo’s trained.

For Villa, defender Jores Okore is still a few weeks away from recovering from a cruciate ligament problem and Libor Kozak is further away from a return after suffering a broken leg in training last month. Chris Herd and Charles N’Zogbia are Villa’s other long-term absentees.

In Thursday’s press conference about the game, Villa manager Paul Lambert said:

The expectancy will be on Newcastle. They have been beaten at home pretty heavily in the last few games.

We are going to go there on the front foot because if we do then their crowd might become edgy.

Any club that has a big fan base, especially at home they expect to win. When things are going against you then you can hear the grumblings.

Historically we have the edge against Aston Villa with 68 wins, 33 draws and 55 losses in all competitions, and 20 wins, 11 draws and 8 losses against them in the Premier League. We’re unbeaten in the last five league games against Villa (W3, D2) and unbeaten in the last seven home games against them (W4, D3). The last time Villa won at St James’ Park was back in 2005 when Lee Bowyer and Kieran Dyer had that punch-up and both got sent off.

The last five meetings have been:

Villa 1-2 Newcastle (September 2013)
Villa 1-2 Newcastle (January 2013)
Newcastle 1-1 Villa (September 2012)
Newcastle 2-1 Villa (February 2012)
Villa 1-1 Newcastle (September 2011)

But that’s all history and as Kwai Chang Caine said (no doubt in a philosophical moment before kicking ten bells out of someone): “To dwell on the past is to rob the present but to forget the past is to rob the future” – make of that what you will!

Howay the lads!

avatar NUFCBlog Author: Hugh de Payen I’m a baby-boomer of the punk rock persuasion, currently exiled in Somerset for crimes committed in a previous life where locals keep trying to poison me with something called ‘scrumpy’. Hates sprouts, coat-hangers, Cilla Black, ornaments, Steven Seagull movies and 50 Cent (he’s not worth 10). Hugh de Payen has written 633 articles on this blog.

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719 Responses to “Newcastle United v Aston Villa match preview”

  1. 1
    avatar Paul in Hollywood says:

    Howay the Lads! Welcome back Worky! I was worried – and lonely!

  2. 2
    avatar workyticket says:

    Paul in Hollywood says:
    February 22, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    “Howay the Lads! Welcome back Worky! I was worried – and lonely!”

    This one was written by Hugh, Paul.

  3. 3
    avatar DissilusionedToon says:

    We have players with technical ability that Pardew can use. We have Remy back, Tiote back and Collocini back. There should be no reason to fear Villa and on paper, we should best them comfortably.

    The problem is not the players, it is the way Pardew consistently plays them out of position and asks technically gifted players to play “hoofball”. His “tactics” are both ridiculous and predictable.

    I genuinely hope I am wrong and we get a good result against Villa, but as long as Pardew the apologist is in charge I fear the worst regardless of who we play.

  4. 4
    avatar Paul in Hollywood says:

    Oh well, welcome back Hugh! An even longer term absentee, and I speak as a former Somerset (Zummerzett) man.

  5. 5
    avatar Paul in Hollywood says:

    DissilusionedToon, I have not felt more disillusioned in a very long time. Cabaye goes and it all falls apart. He had the dressing room that Pardew either never can or never has; in other words the downside of packing the squad with Frenchmen. I think the only resolution is a new owner with footballing ambition who finds himself a genuinely good manager and we start again.

  6. 6
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    It pains me to say this but…

    A win against Villa won’t get us much of anything. The damage has already been done with the sale of Cabaye, which absolutely guaranteed that we aren’t going to win ANYTHING this year.

    Having deliberately thrown away the cup competitions, we’re 13 points away from one of the qualification slots – which would have been seen by everyone from Pardew up as a disaster anyway.

    Another defeat might just bring us closer to a change.

  7. 7
    avatar chuck says:

    Just wondering, does anyone have the least bit of interest in the rest of this season?

    Or (like myself) has apathy taken over?

    I mean what significance do these last few games have?

    A few extra bucks, depending on our PL final spot?

    Nah ! selling our best player was the final straw, making things perfectly clear to all fans, that our owners motivation is simply profit.

    The result of the sale is a side that barely go through the motions, apathetic and if ever there was a time to dump a manager it’s right now, as Parduex surely has lost the dressing room and is incapable of stimulating the side.

    Why is it things have to be this way, who is to blame?
    Obviously Ashley is the main villain, the others are a reflection of his cheap-ass business tactics, but few would be hired by any proper football club.

    In which case if change is to come about, it will be up to the fans to make it happen.

    A dreary run in to the end of a pathetic season, should be the time for making things happen, what do the fans have to lose, empty seats, unsold or cancelled season tickets, anti Ashley and Pardeux chants, could go a long way to-wards making changes.

    At least the fans deserve to watch a side that they can cheer on, not the present (which side is going to show up to-day) group.

    We have the basis for a decent PL side, but everything else is cheap and nasty.

    Dump these chumps , physios, coaches, manager, owner (we should be so lucky) but the reality is we can only expect more of the same as there appears to be little chance of that happening.

  8. 8
    avatar roy cropper says:

    nowt worse than vain bloke with a grey barnet thinking he could give clooney a run for his money.

    the daft looking twat.

  9. 9
    avatar Phisix says:

    This blog still lives thank God. A Win tomorrow or I will cry.

  10. 10
    avatar roy cropper says:

    was having a couple of beers with terry mcdermott the neet & he reckons steve stone told him – clooney has gotta ring mike every morning & sing….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhYZMgqZ3KU

    to him.

    & if it’s the answer machine – he still wants the full version sang.

    x

  11. 11
    avatar workyticket says:

    Pardew’s pre-match press conference:

  12. 12
    avatar DissilusionedToon says:

    chuck

    ” Just wondering, does anyone have the least bit of interest in the rest of this season? Or (like myself) has apathy taken over?”

    I understand your feelings Chuck but the problem with apathy is that it is contagious.

    When the crowd and fans have lost interest it affects the performances on the pitch.

    The way I see it, a lack of ambition from the club affects the players as well as the fans.

    If as happened under Keegan, 52000 people chant and cheer the team, the performances from the team are good. If however the fans are quiet, disillusioned, angry and apathetic, this mood rubs off on the players. It is a vicious self perpetuating downward spiral.

    Disillusioned as I am, it is not something I want to see. I feel torn between wanting to motivate the players by being at the game, or making my feelings clear to Ashley by not being at the game.

    The bottom line for me is the lack of ambition by the club is the cause of the apathy for both players and fans. The fact that Pardew has neither the tactical nous or the ability to motivate the players is a secondary issue, ultimately stemming from the fact that Ashley wants a manager who will do as he is told, rather than be a good manager or motivator.

    I hope I am wrong, but Pardews reading rhe riot act to the players without taking any responsibility himself will have done more harm than good.

    A good manager would have had “clear the air discussions” with his team whereby his ludicrous tactics and selections could also have been discussed and changes made. Input from the players is vital. Reading the riot act to already fragile and unhappy players does not help.

  13. 13
    avatar Grumpy Old-Toon says:

    37 points is a relegation total. Obviously a win or even a draw today will help but I reckon we are going to struggle to get many more this season. Anyone who thinks we are safe needs to think again.

    The fact that “The Management” are talking about selling HBA leaves me in utter despair. Any half decent manager should be able to get the best out of his players and not just HBA. Just pointing out the obvious as most other people have already said on this and Ed’s blog.

    Nice to be able to vent a little spleen somewhere, with like minded people.

  14. 14
    avatar workyticket says:

    Newcastle United (4-4-2): Tim Krul; Mathieu Debuchy, Mike Williamson, Fabricio Coloccini (c), Paul Dummett; Moussa Sissoko, Cheick Tiote, Vurnon Anita, Yoan Gouffran; Papiss Cisse, Loic Remy

    Subs: Rob Elliot, Massadio Haidara, Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, Steven Taylor, Dan Gosling, Luuk de Jong, Shola Ameobi.

    Aston Villa (4-3-3): Brad Guzan; Leandro Bacuna, Ron Vlaar, Nathan Baker, Ryan Bertrand; Ashley Westwood, Fabian Delph, Karim El Ahmadi; Gabriel Agbonlahor, Christian Benteke, Andreas Weimann

    Subs: Jed Steer, Joe Bennett, Ciaran Clark, Yacouba Sylla, Marc Albrighton, Aleksandar Tonev, Grant Holt.

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  16. 16
    avatar DissilusionedToon says:

    Not going to get the best out of HBA if he doesnt even make the bench! !

  17. 17
    avatar workyticket says:

    DissilusionedToon says:
    February 23, 2014 at 11:43 am

    “When the crowd and fans have lost interest it affects the performances on the pitch.”

    Who measured that, DT? I don’t think anyone has properly so I wouldn’t be so sure.

    Perhaps it is just a cheap way of flattering the fans and making us feel more important, and has been repeated so often that it has become accepted wisdom. If Newcastle United have such great fans in the first place, then why are we such perennial losers who always funk it when it comes to the crunch on the pitch? Who knows, maybe it has the opposite effect? Newcastle fans take the piss out of quiet, glory hunting, fair weather Man U fans, Chelsea fans, Man City fans blah blah but who wins the trophies, them or us?

    That great working class hotbed for football fans, Moneybags Monaco, are now second in Ligue 1 and recently drew with the mighty Moneybags PSG. Is that because they have their mighty fanbase (a few hundred yacht owners quaffing Krug champagne) behind them as ‘twelfth man?’ Or perhaps it was just truckloads of cash?

  18. 18
    avatar Phisix says:

    commentator just called Remy; Luke Remy. Hah.

  19. 19
    avatar DissilusionedToon says:

    WT.

    I hope you are right What I can say though, is when my work is either criticized or not appreciated My confidence falls, and my attitude is tempted to say “why bother”.

    I am not advocating fans not criticizing or not staying away from anything that puts money in Ashleys pocket, I just think from a personal view that apathy is as contagious as enthusiasm.

    If a half fillled stadium booing Ashley and Pardew and skirting with relegation is what it takes to get rid of Ashley and his “team”, then count me in. I just have my doubts it will be enough though and will affect the teams performances.

  20. 20
    avatar Phisix says:

    God we suck at defending those counters.

  21. 21
    avatar workyticket says:

    Paul Lambert could play “Harold Bishop – The early years.”

  22. 22
    avatar Phisix says:

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  23. 23
    avatar workyticket says:

    You don’t see club physio Derek “Crusher” Wright coming out every time there’s an injury now like last season, which is one good thing anyway.

    It used to be that whenever a player would get a slight strain or something like that, Crusher would come out, give them some ‘physio’ until their legs were broken, and then they’d be carried off on a stretcher for the rest of the season.

  24. 24
    avatar Phisix says:

    Sell cisse now. Cant take more of that.

  25. 25
    avatar workyticket says:

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  26. 26
    avatar Grumpy Old-Toon says:

    Just how easy a chance does Cisse want, ffs.

    My granny could have put that one away.

    He should come off he’s doing nothing for the team.

    Put HBA on in his place, oh hang on!!

    Sammy would be a better bet.

  27. 27
    avatar workyticket says:

    ♫ ♪ Get out of our club… ♪ ♫

  28. 28
    avatar Grumpy Old-Toon says:

    And she passed away over 50 years ago.

  29. 29
    avatar chuck says:

    Both sides playing 4-4-2, with Villa attempting to dominate midfield and use the counter, vs. a long ball shoot on sight Newcastle.
    There needs to be some adjustment in midfield, as Anita and Tiote are being over run.
    Get Cisse off and put in DeJong, anybody for that matter.
    Can anyone explain, why Pardew sends Mike Williamson into the box when we take set pieces(corners) ?
    The guy has never scored once for the side, that’ right, in five or more years he has never even made contact with the ball from a set piece, and his only goals have been own goals.
    Apart from the fact it also leaves a hole at the back and it takes him forever to get back down the field.

  30. 30
    avatar workyticket says:

    Grumpy Old-Toon says:
    February 23, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    “And she passed away over 50 years ago.”

    Grumpy I suppose of Pardew had stretegically placed a coffin in the box instead of Cisse, it would have bounced off the coffin better.

  31. 31
    avatar Phisix says:

    At least Cisse is off now.

  32. 32
    avatar Phisix says:

    NOOOOOOOOOOOO

  33. 33
    avatar Phisix says:

    If we cant score now then….meh

  34. 34
    avatar Phisix says:

    YESSSSSSSSS REMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMY

  35. 35
    avatar workyticket says:

    So that’s it. Everything is great again.

  36. 36
    avatar workyticket says:

    Sports Direct.con. UK’s number one.

  37. 37
    avatar workyticket says:

    Hughton’s inbreeders up against Spurs next!

  38. 38
    avatar Phisix says:

    De Jong played well again in his little cameo. Think him up front with Remy and Goofy either side could turn into something good for us. At least De Jong would not miss an open goal.

  39. 39
    avatar chuck says:

    A deserved three points ?
    Considering how poor an attacking game Villa played, maybe.
    Certainly a better second half, with some good buildups, using the width of the field to stretch the Villa defense.
    At the same time a lot of wasted opportunities.
    Sissoko appeared to stiffen the midfield and made his usual runs, while Gouffran also worked hard.
    We missed Santon’s runs but apart from a couple of missed tackles Dummett had a fair game.
    Looks like Cisse has completely lost it, I certainly can’t figure why he went from a goal a game scorer, to someone who looks totally hopeless and should have been subbed at half time.
    And though Remy missed a sitter, he doesn’t give up and will always get his goals, we should go all out to keep him, but I think I hear “London calling”.

  40. 40
    avatar chuck says:

    Noticed during the minute’s applause for Tom Finney, we were subjected to a pair of clapping hands, with
    the rest of the screen covered by a Sports Direct sign.

  41. 41
    avatar Grumpy Old-Toon says:

    Swapping DeJong for Cisse made the difference to the teams performance. Took some time before our master tactician was able to work out the obvious though. Love to see what he scribbles in his notebook!

    MOM was Collo by a mile, strange choice by the TV pundits however.

    Anyone notice the mascot before the game started he was a double for the kid in the Munsters. :)

  42. 42
    avatar workyticket says:

    Grumpy Old-Toon says:
    February 23, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    “MOM was Collo by a mile”

    You should have said Williamson as that always annoys Chuckles. :-)

  43. 43
    avatar workyticket says:

    Hughton’s heroes beat Spurs 1-0.

  44. 44
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Three points on board, But why do i feel like a fan that has suffered another defeat?

    The Sky camera’s panned around the stadium about 10 minutes before kick off, And the place looked empty.
    I thought to myself, If it stays like that it will send a message to Ashley and his minions.
    After the break and the team walks out to row upon row of Neanderthals decked out in Wonga emblazoned shirts and beanie hats.
    Yet another opportunity to show the fat parasite how they felt went by the wayside!
    I have lost all faith in the fans of Newcastle United and they and Ashley deserve each other.
    In fact Newcastle United do not exist anymore and are basically “Sports Direct United” under the name of the former club.

    As for the game, Alan Pardew should hang his head in shame!
    That was utterly p*** poor and i don’t give a f**k what anyone else might tell me.
    Yet again the future Fergie failed to motivate his side, And they were pretty much non existent in the the first half against Villa’s kids.
    Villa should have been 2 or 3 up after another abject display.
    All this after his tough talking and letting standards slip bollox!
    Pardew is all talk and nothing else, And will be back excelling in that area all of next week!

    Better second half but only just with another moment from a player that doesn’t belong to us scoring the winner.

    Pardew should change his name to “Houdini” because that was another escape from the serial loser.
    Like everywhere else he has been, Just when you think he is on the brink someone pulls him out of the crap!
    He couldn’t motivate a fly onto a turd and he got away with it again today!
    Ashley is more of a fool than i ever thought he was if stories about him keeping Pardew on are true.
    If this tosser is given more time he will eventually succeed in what he is trying to do, “Get Us Relegated”!
    He’s been trying his hardest for the last two seasons.

    So i take it everything will be “Tickety Boo” with the fan base who will no doubt be sighting Europa League qualification as a possibility.
    The rancour of the last few weeks will now be swept under the carpet, Well for one week anyway until the defeat at Hull City and the season is over again!

  45. 45
    avatar workyticket says:

    Howay Joe. We did scrape a 1-0 victory and get back to 8th with 40 points and 11 games left. To be fair, that is where we should be with the team we have. No better, no worse.

  46. 46
    avatar DissilusionedToon says:

    Joe.

    I agree with much of what you said.

    Pardew is a “Houdini”. With his tactics and player/position selections we should be in the relegation zone. The crowd appeared nervous throughout, and there was very little anti-Ashley or Pardew dissatisfaction to be seen or heard.

    If I thought Pardew actually deserved to be in 8th place with 11 games to go, I would congratulate him. However, I don’t. It took until the 92nd minute to get the goal, and the result could by a very small margin have been very different.

    From Ashleys perspective I can see how he might believe;
    We are safe
    It is OK to sell your best player and not replace him
    Fans will continue to support the club whatever he does
    It is ok to asset strip the club
    Pardew is a manager who will keep him in the PL without any need to spend money.
    The club does not need to have any ambition.

    Whilst I disagree with much of the above, I can see why Ashley would believe he can do whatever he likes and get away with it.

    I really expected more “get out of our club” today.

    My feelings are that the fans who continue to go to the games and believe they should “support the team not the regime” are entitled to that view, but should be loudly and unequivocally making known their dissatisfaction with Ashley & his chief apologist.

  47. 47
    avatar chuck says:

    Actually there should be no argument as to who was the MOM was.
    It was Guzman by a country mile.

    Who was the best Newcastle player ?
    Remy, who else!

    Guess Pardeux will feed on this pathetic win, at least until the next game.

    Disappears down the tunnel faster than a rabbit when beaten, and can’t get him out of the limelight on the rare occasions we win.

    Mr bullshit baffles brains.

    Hey I had to chuckle at the old style tactics of each manager, with Lambert playing a changing version of 4-4-2 but for the most part 4-5-1 attempting to dominate the midfield, which they did in the first half.

    Where he also attempted to use the fast break and may have edged that half.

    Pardew had no clue as to how to counter, it seems he can only change the way the side play, during the half time period, anything else is brain surgery.

    Fortunately for him, he added DeJong in place of a now completely hopeless case, Cisse!

    Remy and DeJong could end up as a decent combo, being
    DeJong is not an out and out striker and could be the style of player who can feed of certain circumstances, very much a similar type of forward as Long, lets hope he is as good.

    Curious, what’s the story with Santon ?

    And to play Williamson in place of either a fit Taylor or Yanga- M’Biwa, shows poor judgment, as does Dummett for Santon, when you need scoring, he, Santon adds more of an attacking presence.

    But then what do I know ?

  48. 48
    avatar chuck says:

    Noticed that the stadium was quiet, apart from the visiting crowd, that is.

    The home crowd, being a bit tentative, took longer to get going, not making any noise until the dying minutes of the game.

    Of course they all showed up in their loan-shark shirts
    as usual, without any thought about having lost six of the last eight.

    Difficult to tell whether they are the best fans ever or a bunch of sheep who’s main role is to support Ashley and his low life business partners.

    Who will flock to St. James’ park regardless of being treated like mindless sheep.
    Sad really!

  49. 49
    avatar chuck says:

    Dissilusioned

    I wouldn’t get too upset by the performance of the fans.

    It’s enough to be pissed by the owner management and team performance, anything more is over the top.

    But I agree, it ain’t easy being a NUFC fan these days

  50. 50
    avatar chuck says:

    I guess most fans feel this may be the end of the recent slump, grabbing an extra time goal and earning all three points.

    The fact is it could have just as easily gone the other way.

    I would be wary of these last eleven games, look how West Ham have moved up the table on the back of three straight wins.

    Now I’m not saying we are in danger of relegation, but I’m willing to bet we will end up, finishing in a spot below the top half.

    As for next season (this one being done and dusted for us) there’s going to be big changes (hopefully) or if there’s not, then we could be looking at a struggle to avoid the drop.

    Rumors have us selling any number of players, but those sales will not I doubt bring in much dosh.

    Which will leave us with not too large a bench, that would be difficult were we to be included in Europe.
    We have been through that already.

    But I don’t think we have to worry, as we will no doubt avoid any inclusion, the same way we avoided (through quick exits) any domestic tournaments.

    Though it’s been stated that PL clubs have to buy every season, just to stay in place, could someone please pass
    that on to the tightwad.

  51. 51
    avatar chuck says:

    Oh a final word, nice to see Chris Hughton’s side Norwich beat a team like Spurs.
    Feel kinda sorry that his big name striker is not cutting the mustard, hope our Dutchman does better, the difference being ours is on loan,
    So we can send him back to the Fatherland if necessary.

    Curious most countries refer to themselves as the motherland, apart from the Fatherland, what’s that about.

  52. 52
    avatar workyticket says:

    Hughton will have to win a few more games fairly soon though. His last games are all nightmare ones against the top four.

  53. 53
    avatar Grumpy Old-Toon says:

    Just spent the last couple of hours listing a lot of my no longer used RPG paraphernalia on e-bay. Mainly COC but other systems as well. Feeling a touch of nostalgia as I am doing so. Some of it dates back for over 30 years, oh how the years pass!!

    Still playing on a regular basis though despite my advancing years, haven’t left my childhood fully yet!! :)

  54. 54
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Chuck, Spurs took us to the cleaners, But Hughton’s Norwich done them.
    We huffed and puffed against a team of young’uns and were looking like extending the run without a win.

    Worky, I know what your saying, But i knew f**kin’ Pardew would fluke a win today, And the inbreds would still show up in their droves, It would only happen at Newcastle when you get a win and still feel like sh*t!

    According to Pardew in his interview, “We are a funny lot”!
    The Cheeky Useless Cnut!

  55. 55
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    joe hawkins says:
    February 23, 2014 at 10:05 pm

    “Worky, I know what your saying, But i knew f**kin’ Pardew would fluke a win today, And the inbreds would still show up in their droves, It would only happen at Newcastle when you get a win and still feel like sh*t!”.

    There’ll be plenty of toon fans chuffed to bits with this win, Joe.

    And that’ll ensure that Pardew stays in his job and that chub’s investment in the club is safe for now.

    Great, eh?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Grumpy Old-Toon says:
    February 23, 2014 at 9:00 pm

    “Just spent the last couple of hours listing a lot of my no longer used RPG paraphernalia on e-bay.”

    Role playing games or rocket propelled grenades, Grumpy?

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    avatar Grumpy Old-Toon says:

    Worky

    Used rocket propelled grenades wouldn’t be a lot of use. I doubt if even the most stupid guerrilla factions would want them. Although a lot of idiots were conned into buying golf ball detectors as bombe detectors so you never know. Some strange stuff is sold on e-bay.

    I’ve possibly used enough key words to get the attention of GCHQ. Probably get a visit from the MIB.

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    avatar Grumpy Old-Toon says:

    Bomb not bombe, who would want a pudding detector? Although Cameron might.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Dark Brown @55 #

    That’s very well put and I agree wholeheartedly for the most part, unlikely as it sounds.

    The difference being it’s a bit harsh, yeah I know I called them sheep, but hey, they are the real fans.

    Whatever their politics or choices, they will show up at St. James’ Park, 3pm sharp each home game, that’s what is expected of them and it’s what they live for.

    I’m just glad I watched and mainly listened to (radio) a team of Geordies , Jocks and Irishmen, with a few Welshmen win a series of FA cups, which in that day, had equal cache with winning the league.

    And contrary to what many think, they were great games, highly entertaining, with a certain amount of things that wouldn’t be tolerated to-day, that plus a lot more
    use of dribbling skills and so different from to days game.

    More entertaining I think.

    But isn’t that the reason we go to the games, to be entertained, or is it some kind of religious pilgrimage
    made every second week to the sports cathedral to watch
    us beat them, or vice versa.

    Actually what are the other choices, and for many families it has been the Saturday/Sunday ritual,
    Change all that, ain’t gonna happen !

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    February 24, 2014 at 5:03 am

    “Dark Brown @55 #

    “That’s very well put and I agree wholeheartedly”

    WTF?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Pardew’s post match interview.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Grumpyoldtoon, I remember they did a piece on “Crimewatch” about that unscrupulous f**k who was selling the golf ball detectors.
    The most sickening thing about the sorry episode was these things could been seen in action on news reports.
    It makes you wonder how many people lost their lives in car bomb attacks because of him?

    The b*****d should have been locked up for life and the key thrown away.
    There should be a constant “Beep Beep” played in his cell on a loop 24 hours a day!

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    avatar Chuck says:

    Worky

    Hell I have supported some of your views and beliefs, so why the WTF ?

    I also mentioned it was a bit harsh on the fans, but for the most part agreed, but did you not read the rest, cherry picking perhaps ?

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    avatar Chuck says:

    I just read a piece, where Remy believes we are capable of qualifying for the no-where European tournament.
    And here I am, believing that’s the last thing that either fatso or Pardeux want.

    I have the feeling the recent rumors concerning comings and goings will result in another case of off season chaos.

    Hell we have been incapable of completing any transactions during the last two windows, so how in hell are we going to get rid of half the team then sign their replacements in one window.

    It appears instead of creating some kind of stability, where we have a plan, a system where we replace one or two players per season, with a goal in mind of winning some kind of silverware.

    We go from one chaotic situation to another, mainly due to Ashleys Ignorance and greed.

    He has never turned down a bit of profit, when offered.
    Possibly the worst thing that happened, was that screwed up offer for Carroll, being it possibly convinced Ashley he could do the same deals constantly.

    And now he has sold Cabaye for a decent profit, definitely reinforces that belief.

    The next eleven games will be for the most part meaningless, but the summer window should prove to be spectacular, which will cause all kinds of fan unrest, as we go into a transition, chasing kids and free agents.
    And maybe the end of our recent French love affair.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Debauchery? :-)

    They don’t call it “talkshite” for nothing, DT. Reunited with loverboy at PSG would be more likely if anything.

  67. 67
    avatar workyticket says:

    Newcastle United made a £10 million profit in 2012-13, but the club is still £129 million in debt to Ashley.

    Commercial revenue has risen to £17.1 million, though it is still significantly below what it should be, ie around £25 million per season for a club like Newcastle United.

  68. 68
    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 66: talkshite is definitely full of shit, but I could see them going for him. Rafinha is crap and Debuchy is likely unsettled. The Arsenal rumor persists as well and with Sagna supposedly looking for 100K/week (who knows but he’ll want a raise) I could see it.

    @ 67: the debt is, in my experience, the key point that the low-information supporters don’t get. This club has turned 45M in profit in AshleyCo’s time here and yet the debt only grows. It’s the debt that will ALWAYS keep any offer from coming in for the club

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Looks like the drink and scran money pays the players wages, So there’s loads of cash left over, Howay fatty!, Put your hand in your pocket.
    I still see there trying to go down the plead poverty line, With their patter being centred on sustainable growth as an excuse!

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Sorry meant to type they’re

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    Joe, in answer to your question on the other thread, no, I don’t expect Ashley to spend a fortune on replacement players. He may spend the Cabaye money. If we lose any or all of HBA, Debuchy or Tiote, he may add a bit more to that. Of course we could lose Remy, De Jong and Coloccini too.

    If all of those go – or even a significant proportion of them – I reckon we’re up that well-known stinky creek without a suitable method of propulsion. Too many new players at once and they’re likely to be bargain basement players at that. That’s not to say that good deals can’t be found cheaply but, particularly if we need to replace a lot of players, there’s likely to be a lemon or two amongst them. And, given Ashley’s habit of gambling on the last day of the transfer window, it could all end in disappointment.

    But we’ll see.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Not quite sure how the rules work, for transfers?

    Other than completing deals during the off season and during the Jan. winter window.

    Yes I understand that not every European league works on the same timescale, but what about negotiating with a club outside of any window, where the deal is agreed upon, but has to await the next upcoming window before becoming legal.

    Is this allowed?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    I forgot to mention that according to the piece I linked, the club’s £9.9 million profit is with amortisation. According to that, though they spent nearly £30 million on players in January, they recorded a trading profit on players of £10.6 million but without that, they would have lost £660,000. They’ve made up for all the free Sports Direct ads with player profit figures. We’re still £8 million shy on commercial revenue compared with what the club should be making on the adverts, kits and so on. That’s despite all the whyaye man costumes and insulting “toon totty” so called sexy underwear.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    “sustainable growth”

    worky-you took me to task about equivalence. Where are the roots of this wonderful nugget of a phrase? lol…again, been enjoying your drink-stirring over at The Mag. They’ve got a couple resident AshleyCo astroturfers that need constant correction (not quite in the sense that Delbert Grady meant it…but they are irritating). That ridiculous commenting format keeps me from taking part though.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    Hugh-at the risk of harping on a small point: Remy. I’ll present you with the same conundrum I have presented to chuck every time he goes considers the possibility of Remy staying. If he continues to play well, QPR will ask for a full market price. I can’t see Ashley spending that. If he doesn’t continue to play well, why would we want him?

    Loic Remy will not be at NUFC at the end of this summer.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Listening to recent rumors, it appears the summer window
    could be a bit turbulent with Players like Debuchy, Marveaux, HBA, Gosling, Obertan, Shola, Ferguson and possibly more, about to be sold for various reasons.

    Obviously not all football related.

    And there’s the case of Colo. who could again ask to leave.

    Meaning we do have to sort out our priorities and that should have been an ongoing program since the window closed.

    Which brings us back to the question, why the hiring and firing of Joe Kinnear.

    Are we now back asking the same questions, who decides who to buy and sell (yes we know all final decisions are made by Ashley) is it the manager who aught to know who and what he needs or the chief scout who presumably knows better?

    Or better yet, why not make Carr the Director of Football, that would settle matters as far as authority is concerned.

    Would it solve the problem, no!

    So, most fans have no bitch with Carr (partly because he’s a Geordie) plus the fact he has done well in his recruiting effort, whereas few like Pardew (he being a cockney kiss-ass)and one of the worst managers we have been subjected too.

    Nah! I believe there’s unrest in the dressing room, certainly since the selling of Cabaye, which has made it clear that there is no club ambition and any decent player should look to move on, that’s if he has any ambition to play top level football.

    The easiest way to calm things would be to get rid of Pardeux and bring in (for once) a decent manager, one who understands the modern game, someone like Rodgers, or Matinez, even Steve Clarke who IMO was given a raw deal, but who could be ideal for this side.

    Plus earn Ashley a lotta points from a majority of the fans.

  78. 78
    avatar workyticket says:

    They’ll drive us mad with the elusive Bafetimbi Gomis again. He’ll be on a free, won’t he?

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    tunyc says: “Loic Remy will not be at NUFC at the end of this summer.”

    I don’t disagree with that. Or, at least, I think it’s highly unlikely he’ll be at NUFC. He’ll be in demand if his season continues as it’s currently going and he’ll get a better salary elsewhere. He’d have to want to be at NUFC specifically and I think that’s unlikely.

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    avatar chuck says:

    tunyc

    Yeah! we live in hope, talking bout Remy here.
    From the start I recognized he was the real deal as a striker and have advocated we keep him.
    However I believe he has been well scouted and may in fact have already agreed on his future.
    I think “London Calling” may be a big factor in his decision, face it the Capital has a lot more to offer in the way of a non job related lifestyle.

    On the other hand it appears Demba Ba, has not exactly had a decent run at Spurs and could be available come the off season.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Sorry, that’s Chelsea not Spurs.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Watched the tapes of our winter targets , Grenier and Cabella and like all tapes make the player involved look like Maradonna.

    But they would in fact appear to be good players and with the expectant number of mid-fielders who may be on their way out of the side, certainly needed.

    But it’s my opinion that it’s the back line that has to be strengthened, with the possibility of Colo. going eventually.

    Yanga -M’biwa is decent as is Hiadara, both can play backup for our full backs, as can Dummett but in central defense we need help, our goals against record tells you that.

    Two good center backs are needed and we should concentrate on filling those spots before anything get’s done.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 79: “He’d have to want to be at NUFC specifically”

    He already chose a half-relegated QPR over us. I have no doubt he’d prefer to bolt to WHU or Fulham if they’re not relegated. He won’t choose us. I say again, no equivocating: he won’t be here next season. Guaranteed.

    chuck-similar situation with Ba. He won’t be coming down on his wage demands, which Ashley already made clear he won’t pay. He’ll be off to some Turkish or Greek CL-team. I’m not so completely confident of that but I’d wager on it.

    And there’s no way to paper over the holes in our defense. Williamson has the fewest question marks over him: S. Taylor-want away, not good enough; R. Taylor-how will his recovery go; Colo-will leave the second he can; Santon-maybe a defender; Haidara-maybe ready for the PL; Dummett-maybe good enough for the PL; Debuchy-hard to see him staying long. It’s really pretty dire back there.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    Final word: we’ll need most of a new team and I wonder if Ashley gets that at all. By that I mean is he this dumb or is he just trying to antagonize us? I lean toward the latter.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Watching Olympiakos v Man U in the Champions League and Man U are doing their best to make Olympiakos look like Bayern Munich. Dreadful performance.

    Puts Pardew’s modest ambitions for this season (to finish above Man U in the EPL) into perspective.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    tunyc

    There’ll be plenty of stories to come about the deals we’ll be doing in the closed season but it’ll all be smoke and mirrors to the end of getting people to renew their season tickets.

    Chubs will make sure we start next season with a squad that should just about be capable of finishing mid-table.

    You should know the drill by now ;-)

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Hugh, Ashley will now be obsessed with getting players for under a million quid due to Gouffran’s relative success.
    Apparently they did the same thing with Cheick Tiote when they got him for 3.6 or 3.8 or what ever it was.
    Apparently they foolishly thought after a deal like that they could carry on doing the same thing.
    Knowing the way Ashley thinks he will probably now sell off anyone worth anything and replace them with a skip full of cheap replacements using Gouffran as a benchmark of success!

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    “Amortisation” eh?

    We’ve already had “Mortisation” when Ashley first took over, It was some speccy Welsh geezer who murdered the “Blaydon Races” in the “Blu Bambu”

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Why all the doom and gloom?

    We have actually added one letter, Now that is growth lol

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    There really is no depth to which the chiselling old scumbag won’t stoop…

    http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/newcastle-united-reveal-away-fans-fund-200k-windfall/

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    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    February 26, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    “There really is no depth to which the chiselling old scumbag won’t stoop…”

    I just made a little comment on there, Darth. Do you remember all the stuff about Newcastle United being the first carbon neutral club in the world? It was all shite. The company doing it was a fraud so it was meaningless.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    February 26, 2014 at 11:20 am

    “Amortisation” eh?”

    The season we sold Andy Carroll, a small operating loss was shown rather than a a big Carroll sized profit of over £30 million. This time they did it the other way. The figure would have shown a £660,000 loss instead of a £9.9 million profit if they they did it the same way as the year of the Carroll sale.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, I know what your saying, It was my crap attempt at a joke lol.

    So they are basically doing the same s**t that came out in Keegan’s case against them.
    Basically lying through their teeth in a shambolic attempt at public relations!

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, Is that CNI you are alluding to?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    I know it was a crap joke, Joe! :-)

    Just thought I would point out the different ways the accounts have been presented in different years.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 86: I take the admonishment…but then there was the relegation season, which makes me consider the possibility of Mike just being a very dense man. We were barely treading water when he sells Given & Zog and brings in Ryan Taylor and Lovenkrands. The result was fairly predictable, if you ask me.

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    avatar Chuck says:

    Puhleez !

    Who let the bean counters out ?
    Not another series by would be would be accountants hopefully, boooooring !

    Better we discuss some sort of future Fan participation
    on the NUFC board.
    Even if they have no real power they have the ability to
    report what’s taking place or discussed at those meetings.
    An insider point of view, that could be relayed to the fans and in turn acted upon by the fans if necessary.
    Because as things stand there is no way they can have any participation, other than listen to chosen board members, who’s only role is clearly that of obfuscate and confuse.
    NUST continuously palmed of by Ashley spokespersons.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Chuck says:
    February 26, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    “Puhleez !

    “Who let the bean counters out ?
    “Not another series by would be would be accountants hopefully, boooooring !

    “Better we discuss some sort of future Fan participation
    on the NUFC board.”

    Chuckles, that doesn’t make sense. If you want to have real “fan participation on the NUFC board,” then as fans we’ll have to discuss these matters more, not less or it’s just completely pointless.

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    avatar Chuck says:

    In a recent statement Jonathan Evans MP suggested the government should take “urgent action” to force professional football clubs and the FA to involve the fans substantially more in the decision making process.

    It’s something that has to be considered, that and the
    fact certain assets, such as club name, colors and home ground ownership, should be protected by law.

    And being the fans are such an integral part of the triangle of income to every football club, as much as tv
    revenues and advertising, I see no reason why they don’t have the same input as say Sports direct and WONGA.

    Both of which dominate the advertising boards, while we know tv influences the scheduling of games.

    And what about the fans, where is their influence felt? hell we cant even get to speak to the owners representatives, never mid hear from the owner.

    The arrogance deserves some kind of reaction from the fans.

    Unfortunately so far, they have shown up in numbers that make Ashley grin, wearing their brand new WONGA shirts, that they bought from Sports Direct.

    And that’s how it will continue, a ritual, with NUFC
    more popular than “God” as I doubt if fifty thousand parishioners show up each Sunday to be bored to death by some droning “sky pilot”.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Chuck says:
    February 26, 2014 at 7:18 pm

    “more popular than “God”

    Chuck, a scouser once said something like that in your city and he almost got lynched.

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    avatar Chuck says:

    WORKY

    Fan participation is not something most Football fans expect to see, unfortunately they have been for the most part ignored and deserve to have been treated so.

    They love to bitch, but don’t realize how potent a group they could be if properly organized.

    They also have MP’s who on receiving thousands of complaints (some that may contain threats of voting for the opposition) who under threat certainly could begin a public crusade and possibly introduce/back a bill that would protect certain rights and protect (say the re-naming of St. James’ Park) certain historically important assets.

    Plus enforce the club to react in a meaningful way to-wards them, certainly not with less regard than the WONGA’s and his own Sports Direct company, which is now becoming more difficult for fans to separate from NUFC.

    The other way is to boycott the stadium, cancel season tickets, well you know the drill.

    Which ain’t gonna happen, any more than to ask a devoutly religious person to stop attending church services each Sunday.

    The cause is lost before it even begins, as a century of ritually attending St James’ Park every two weeks is tough to break, regardless of how they are treated.

    But it remains in the hands of the fans as to what steps they are prepared to take, but don’t expect too much.

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    avatar Chuck says:

    Yeah, Lennon was right of course, check out any church in NY and you will have no trouble getting a seat or a pew in fact.
    On the other hand how many were present for the Beatles
    concert at the now demolished Shea Stadium.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    As a point of detail, it was Jesus not God.

    Jesus’ & God’s brands were in a bit of downturn then. They’ve made a big comeback here though…

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    avatar Chuck says:

    WORKY

    Yeah, Lennon was living , I think on Bank St. in the West Village, which was just around the corner from my place on Hudson at Abingdon Square.

    Strangely we used to end up getting the papers and ciggies in the same cigar store on many mornings
    Never said much more than a grunt (ehy) and a nod of the head after a while and he the same.

    Guess why many well known figures enjoy NYC, no-one bothers you, regardless who you are.

    Some may consider ignoring those who may be famous as disrespect, I think it’s in fact a respect that many famous figures understand.

    That was around early seventies, before he moved up to CPW.

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    avatar Chuck says:

    tunyc

    If you are including Allah and G-d, you are right.
    And I tend to agree, that there are just as many Hard Shell Baptist’s and weirdo Christian sects out there as their ever was.
    For the most part, many are bible punchers through the communities they belong too, where a non sectarian or simply an Agnostic/Atheist, is unacceptable in the community.
    Talkin bout the Deep South and that massive bible belt Mid West area, which I’m sure you know a lot more about than I do.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Looking at both ends of the league standings, it is difficult to figure just who will end up in the top four or possibly more important who will finish in the bottom three spots.
    For ourselves there appears to be no reason that we will either have any fear of the latter, and little likelihood of our competing in the Champions league.
    So a comfortable mediocrity will be our fate this season.
    Plus I noticed our future schedule has more lower placed clubs, than top sides, but don’t be fooled by that, as we appear to lose to as many lower placed clubs than top sides.
    There is a certain desperation at bothe ends, that of those desperately fighting the drop and the enormous funding it brings.
    Or the fact, that a Man. U. who I’m sure plan the rewards of the Champions League revenue into their budget each season, may only make it to the cheap cup.
    Yeah this season may be something we have not seen for some time, with the competitions results effecting the future of a number of sides.
    When the tv networks throw as much dosh as they are with more to come as F

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    avatar chuck says:

    ..football reflects a more global appeal, it also boosts the earnings of the EPL being it is considered the most entertaining league to watch.
    Not necessarily the best football, but the most exciting, though many also think it’s the best football, but consider who has won the Champions league lately and it tells a different story.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Ok outta here, great day, high pressure with plenty of sunshine, most of the snow has gone and I hope it’s the last of it.
    Been a shitty winter weather wise, but that appears to be the picture everywhere, role on spring and summer.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Completely off topic but if the Scots vote for independence, there could well be a big jobs bonanza in Newcastle as companies like Standard Life come south of the border, but only a little bit.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Aye, several large companies are indeed making contingency plans to move to Newcastle if the Scots vote for independence. It will be a boom town.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, My personal thoughts on Scottish Independence is that it will not happen!
    Even if the Scots voted unanimously to leave the union, Do you think the very sly murdering and corrupt British Establishment is going to let them go?
    They will rig the vote or do something to stop it from happening, That’s how little i think of them and there so called fair play Brits rubbish they try to pass off to the rest of the World!

    In an ideal World you would like to think of them getting independence, But even Salmon is still wanting to use the Pound as a currency, So what is all that about?
    Surely a New Nation State would want to establish their own currency, I mean they would be starting from scratch and should be free of the I.M.F debt.

    I fully expect our friends across the pond will no doubt have something to say on the subject because a weaker Britain does nothing for The States influence in Europe.

    I would love to see it happen just to see the fall out, And one in the nads of the inbreds who are keeping us down!
    I want to see a time when we live in true meritocracies and not the shower of inbreds who are trying to tell us how to live, When they simply do not have the right.
    Boris Johnson for instance, You wouldn’t leave him in charge of a neighbours cat for two weeks.
    “Just Call Me Dave” Cameron, Supposed Prime Minister had to look after a suitcase for an afternoon, And couldn’t even do that.
    F**k me! this fella went home and left his kid in the the pub ffs, And he is running Britain!

    Lets see a time when the best people for the top jobs are there through sheer merit and not an accident of birth or postcode or privilege.
    Mind it’s not just this Country this is happening in nearly every Country in the World, George Bush anyone!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Joe, Alex Salmond is doing their job for them. He’s an absurd little man who’s just saying anything he likes even it it flies completely in the face of reality. Shame for Geordies if he loses though, you’d be riding the gravy train up there.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    February 27, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    “Worky, My personal thoughts on Scottish Independence is that it will not happen!
    “Even if the Scots voted unanimously to leave the union, Do you think the very sly murdering and corrupt British Establishment is going to let them go?
    “They will rig the vote or do something to stop it from happening, That’s how little i think of them and there so called fair play Brits rubbish they try to pass off to the rest of the World!”

    “In an ideal World you would like to think of them getting independence, But even Salmon is still wanting to use the Pound as a currency, So what is all that about?
    “Surely a New Nation State would want to establish their own currency, I mean they would be starting from scratch and should be free of the I.M.F debt.”

    Well, as i mentioned, it could be an ideal world for Geordies!

    However, Salmond is completely lost now. He would have to fulfill all the conditions and join the Euro if he wanted Scotland to join the EU, but he just ignores people like the President of the EU and the whole of the UK political and financial establishment and says that they are lying, they are just nasty bullies blah blah and Scotland will do whatever it likes. He’s like a five year old child, it’s one of the most bizarre spectacles I’ve ever seen for something as important as this. I really don’t know how can get up and say the things he os saying because it’s extremely embarrassing for him and it’s extremely embarrassing for Scotland.

    Whenever people remind him of the realities of forming a new country, he just keep calling everyone English Eton bullies, colonists and suchlike. This is even though the Scots were the most rabid colonists of all, have many fine public schools of their own, not to mention the amount of Scots who have been Prime Minister and served in other cabinet positions (Brown and Blair being the last two prime ministers). Cameron’s father came from Aberdeen too. There have also been Scottish Kings and Queens of the whole United Kingdom.

    Whatever side of the fence people are on, Salmond is just a completely clueless clown (how’s that for insulting alliteration?)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    I was watching Newcastle central MP and Ashley hater, Chi Onwurah speaking on the use of statistics by the Government last night (she’s a bit of a statitstician). She really is very good, and she would be the best possible weapon in an anti Ashley fight.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    Scotland thing strikes me like Quebec & Canada, where the PTB will never let it happen but they have to allow for the appearance that it could happen.

    chuck-big difference 40 years later in the W Village, no? Now it’s just celebrities overdosing on heroin and finance douches who have decided to start families. Good restaurants, though-En & Havana Alma de Cuba being my favorites.

    joe-if Scotland breaks off, they’ll need cash and the IMF will guarantee they end up in austerity hell. Count on it. That’s what’s going to happen to western Ukraine if that country splits, too. (And would happen to the entire country if Russia calls time on their special economic relationship…which is why Putin holds all the cards in that one…)

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    avatar chuck says:

    YO Joe !

    I knew you were in for some severe criticism by super English patriot WORKY, due to your pro Scot’s independence rant.

    He writes a phony, I’m against the Eton boys bit, but just mention summat that has any criticism of England and things English and the real WORKY shows up.

    As for his nonsensical claim of Scotlands loss of jobs, being a gain for Newcastle, even Cameron wouldn’t be dumb enough to come out with such rubbish.

    His condemnation of Salmon is a bit over the top, and if given a choice between he and Cameron, I know who I would believe.

    His condemnation of Scot’s independence is as usual, all bluster, totally lacking in facts and figures.

    Actually I hope the scot’s in fact do decide to devolve, all they have to do is vote, unlike the Irish of almost a century ago , who had to fight to get their independence, and who are doing quite well thank you.

    There’s a scary sense of uncertainty in government on this matter, though with a population of just over five million, who could end up owning most of the oil revenues from areas within their boundaries, which would go a long way to-wards financing a separate Scotland.

    Do I think it will happen, independence ?
    Hard to say, but if not now, it will be on the table for a future decision.

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    avatar chuck says:

    tunyc

    Your mention of Canada as being a country only giving lip service to a possible separation of Quebec or French speaking Canada.
    With a population of over eight million souls, with many believing they have been victimized by the majority of English speaking Canada.
    They have the necessary resources to make it as a sovereign nation,

  118. 118
    avatar DissilusionedToon says:

    It seems to me the consequences of an independent Scotland being voted for havent really thought through by either side.

    At this late stage we are discussing currency?

    What are we going to do with Warships?…

    Do the rest of UK have them on Mondays Wednesdays and Fridays with Scotland taking them Tuesdays Thursdays and Weekends. ?

    Ridiculous I know but nothing has been thought through.

  119. 119
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    DissilusionedToon, That would be the biggest concern of the inbreds would be security.

    Worky, I always thought we would benefit in the North East, But our bunch of surrender monkey’s have been doing their bit to put horror stories out there!
    They are trying to say that trade would suffer in the North East with the onset of independence.

    I would love to see a Northern Republic where the border is Birmingham and them idiots can have the rest.
    Imagine our Football league, It would be brilliant, All those big clubs in one League.
    We should have legalised prostitution and decriminalisation of drugs.
    That would bring the tourists in, And i think every Country should run a healthy Cannabis Economy lol.

  120. 120
    avatar chuck says:

    tunyc

    Yeah, the Village has become a plastic paradise, with rents and real estate prices on par with London and Tokyo.

    As has virtually all of Manhattan.

    Don’t visit much anymore, but yeah, had some decent restaurants, one being El Faro, on Horatio, a great old Spanish place that had been in the same spot for over fifty years, sad really.

    Yeah, at least John’s Pizzeria is still going strong.

    As for the IMF in the case of Scotland’s independence, nah! they are not the DR Congo or some newly emerging state, where the World Bank and IMF usually impose
    restrictions or force opening the country to allow foreign banks (read western) to operate.

    Resulting in a monetary re-colonization.

    But if the Scots do in fact sever themselves from the UK
    they are on the right path, with free third level education a good start, one has only to look at the results of the Irish Republic in that regard, they attract more high value added industries than most European countries.
    Combine that with a twelve and a half percent business tax and viola!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    February 27, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    “That’s what’s going to happen to western Ukraine if that country splits, too. (And would happen to the entire country if Russia calls time on their special economic relationship…which is why Putin holds all the cards in that one…)”

    tunyc, the last thing real Ukrainians want (as opposed to the Stalin imports) is a “special relationship” with Russia, and I don’t blame them, no matter what it takes. It’s a totally different situation to stuff like Scotland and the UK. Many have been killed, their leaders are still being imprisoned, poisoned with Dioxin etc by Russia. Of course. there’s also the little detail of the millions of Ukrainians starved to death, frozen to death, worked to death etc by Russians in the past.

    Real Ukraininas must get rid of the evil hand of Russia no matter what it takes.

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    avatar chuck says:

    disillusioned toon

    These things have to be sorted by mid September, but if
    a situation like the present crazy division in Ireland can be sorted, then why not that of the UK and Scotland.
    I’m sure if the referenda is a positive vote, they (the Scots) will have their ducks lined up.

    At present with people like WORKY and his friend Cameron
    constantly feeding false information and scare tactics,
    against the devolvement, how much in that case has the UK to lose, measured against how much could the scots gain.

    It could very well instigate both the statelet of Norn Iron and Wales to also leave the UK, what then?

  123. 123
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    chuck says:
    February 27, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    “His condemnation of Salmon is a bit over the top”

    Who the hell is SALMON?

    Nitwit.

  124. 124
    avatar chuck says:

    It’s certainly obvious, that the cold war is still in effect, even if Russia is no longer a military threat as it was.

    Both the NATO countries and the US and EU have been expanding their roles in what was once the Warsaw Pact
    area of Eastern Europe and in former Soviet Republics.

    Of course the loss of the Ukraine and especially the Crimea, (gifted by Kruschev to the Ukraine while in office) which houses Russia’s large Black Sea port and navy, currently leased from the Ukraine.

    Then there is the problem of a large Russian speaking majority in both The Crimea and in eastern Ukraine.

    So who are the culprits here ?

    Is it the expansion eastward of NATO in a geo-political sense or are the Russians guilty in some way?

    Certainly they have to worry about their citizens and
    military posture in the Crimea.

    They have offered a monetary loan deal to the Ukraine, plus a reduction in cost of imported Russian energy.

    On the other hand what are the western nations offering,
    apparently the promise of EU membership in some future time.

    And yes there are the old animosities between Russia and their former republics, which is reflected in both a large western and Ukrainian speaking area, as opposed to a mostly Russian speaking but smaller eastern part.

    What to do, what to do ?

    Perhaps Britain and the French, could send some dreadnoughts to the black sea (oh, the aircraft carriers wont be ready for another five years) and they could do another Crimean war.

    My bet is an eastward expansion of NATO is mainly to blame and the situation should be settled between both The Ukraine and Russia.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Dark Brown

    Hey didn’t you hear the good news from Worky.

    Once devolution occurs there will be a load of jobs flowing south of he border, who knows, perhaps you may get lucky and get one.

  126. 126
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    crank says:
    February 27, 2014 at 6:45 pm

    Blah…

    I already have a job thanks, Major.

    And it doesn’t involve flipping burgers so I won’t be needing your blustering input.

  127. 127
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Chump says:
    February 26, 2014 at 8:14 pm

    “Never said much more than a grunt (ehy) and a nod of the head after a while and he the same.”

    So you’re claiming to have been on nodding terms with John Lennon now, eh?

    Berk :lol:

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    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 117: oh, yes. Quebec could make it. And greater Canada can be seen as Ontario’s empire. Westerners there are like southerners here, they’re not big on the federal government generally. BUT…the disruption all that implies will not be countenanced by the capitalist class. Also: Faro was solid, definitely. Used to be quite a spot for edgy celebs too. Hendrix and Mapplethorpe and Warhol together in the same dining room. Must have been pretty cool. Could score some quality substances too…

    Don’t doubt the power of the IMF. The drive policy here and at the very center of the EU.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Surely the best news of the day (seeing as we don’t seem to be able to focus on football)

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/drones-strikes-european-parliament-condemns-murder-civilians-1438196

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    February 27, 2014 at 5:32 pm

    “As for the IMF in the case of Scotland’s independence, nah! they are not the DR Congo or some newly emerging state, where the World Bank and IMF usually impose
    restrictions or force opening the country to allow foreign banks (read western) to operate.

    “Resulting in a monetary re-colonization.

    “But if the Scots do in fact sever themselves from the UK
    they are on the right path, with free third level education a good start, one has only to look at the results of the Irish Republic in that regard, they attract more high value added industries than most European countries.
    “Combine that with a twelve and a half percent business tax and viola!”

    Chuck, is “business tax and viola!” something to do with ‘fiddling’ taxes? I’ll get me coat…

    Seriously though, I never realised you were such a right winger, swooning over very low tax rates for billionaire corporations. Or is it just that you’ll just say absolutely anything without thinking it through? :-)

    Scotland can’t have free University AND a 12.5% corporation tax rate, it doesn’t work like that, ask the Scandinavians. Anyway, I thought Salmond said that coporation tax would be pegged at 3% below the UK rate?

    BTW, Ireland went bankrupt and I don’t see what’s so great or so clever about that? Fair play to the Paddies though, they do seem to have learned their lesson, and eventually dealt with their problems in an exemplary fashion (unlike Greece).

    Don’t get me wrong, it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that Scotland could be a prosperous little country on it’s own at the right time and with the right leadership. However, the Scottish Nationalists have betrayed all their supporters with their ridiculous, childlish, fact free, plan free bungling campaign, which seems to consist entirely of calling people who ask them questions “bullies” when they can’t answer them. They haven’t even a plan A, let alone a plan B. I’ve never seen anything like it for something so important in my life, and yet they’ve been preparing for this for a life time!

    Is that soomething to do with ‘fiddling’ taxes, Chuck?

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    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 121: that’s not what the ethnic Russians think, and Ukraine sure has been accepting cut-rate gas for years. I take your point but I’m reminded of debates in seminars about the efficacy for smaller Greek city-states joining either the Delian League (Athens’ mercantile empire) or the Peloponnesian League (Sparta’s land empire). I often made the point that you can’t realistically suggest any of them should have stayed neutral or independent. There was no such option. Those that weren’t absorbed were those in which there was no interest, economically or strategically. Everyone else had to choose or, like Corinth, try to start a competing alliance (they failed and lined up with the Spartans). Becoming a part of the troika-dominated EU or a satellite of the hyperbelligerent US is no paradise. In fact, it’s austerity hell, even here. We’re backing neo-nazis and far-right parties over there to foment regime change outside of democratic institutions. Our interests are Cargill selling corn to China because they won’t take ours anymore due to GMO contamination and gaining leverage on Russia (who, while possibly evil, were the only thing that kept us from “aiding” Syrians with cruise missiles and drones and more money for Al-Quaeda linked insurgents) by controlling land under which pipelines carry their gas to export markets. One thing we can agree on is, either way, this won’t end well for the average Ukrainian.

  132. 132
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Swansea making a fist of things against Napoli at the moment. If it stays at 1 – 1, that would take them through on the away goal.

    Games on ITV4. Half an hour to go. Spurs game later on ITV1.

  133. 133
    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    February 27, 2014 at 6:59 pm

    “Surely the best news of the day (seeing as we don’t seem to be able to focus on football)”

    Darth, the EU are spending a fortune on developing drones, but they’re a fluffy, cuddly EU drones, not nasty US/Israel ones. :-)

    The German Luftwaffe ones with the Iron Crosses on don’t look sinister at all.

  134. 134
    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    February 27, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    “Swansea making a fist of things against Napoli at the moment. If it stays at 1 – 1, that would take them through on the away goal.”

    They sacked the Prince of Denmark by e.mail. I hope they lose every game and get plagued by locusts!

  135. 135
    avatar workyticket says:

    3-1 to Rafa the Gaffer. Nice.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    workyticket says:
    February 27, 2014 at 7:41 pm

    “Darth, the EU are spending a fortune on developing drones”.

    Aye, and now would seem to be a good time to stop.

  137. 137
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    workyticket says:
    February 27, 2014 at 7:45 pm

    “They sacked the Prince of Denmark by e.mail. I hope they lose every game and get plagued by locusts!”.

    Well, I sort of got the impression that he probably wouldn’t have turned up if they’d invited him in to do things face-to-face. They probably thought he was still in Paris ;-)

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    avatar chuck says:

    WORKY

    What I was describing in the case of the Irish was the two main pillars of the economy,which were based on a highly educated work force, plus a low corporate tax rate.

    Not to mention it being a “Trojan horse” for US companies to export to the EU and a tax residency for many high tech US companies.

    Sure there have been attempts to bully them into raising their corporate tax rate, both by the UK and other EU countries, which they have refused to do.

    Anyhow those basic factors could be applied to the Scot’s economy and they already have free third level education, which is a step in the right direction.

    I could go into the various reasons for your so called bankruptcy but it would take too much time and space.

    Actually the same continental banks, who in the opinion of many, led the way, by making loans under a different name and set of rules, (subsidiaries) that were in fact illegal if operating in the name of their parent bank.

    And having been totally reimbursed for their losses,
    then turned around and bought the seven percent bonds, which gave them two bites at the apple.

    But I don’t see how Scotland couldn’t repeat the formula
    being they have one leg (education) already in place.

    That, plus they already have the advantage of receiving
    a windfall, the oilfields.
    It appears that the most concerned parties are England, who keep on disparaging the idea of devolution and adding that Scotland could never make an economic go of it.
    If that’s the fact, why are they so desperate to hang onto Scotland then?

    The others are of course NATO and the EU, who don’t want any rocking of their boats, regardless if it is in the interest of Scotland.

    As for the Irish, the EU and NATO don’t want others who though members of the EU, refuse to join NATO, preferring to be neutrals and not spend vast amounts on useless military hardware.

    It ain’t really rocket science and Scotland would do well to concur with their Celtic brethren and make their choices based on what is already working for the Irish.

    tynyc

    What’s needed in Syria are less weapons not more and for the major countries, US, EU, Russia, to enforce a cease fire and arrange for talks, plus an election to take place in the near future to ensure the majority candidate has the backing of the Syrian people.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    February 27, 2014 at 10:16 pm

    “WORKY

    “What I was describing in the case of the Irish was the two main pillars of the economy…”

    Chuck, you don’t know anything about the Irish economy. You really don’t.

    So you’re a tax hating right winger now. You are praising Ireland for acting as a tax haven which undercuts other european nations, the ones who had to bail the c*nts out when their economy finally went under. What the f*ck do you believe in, Chuck? I don’t think you believe in anything because the things you say, besides being ill informed, are completely inconsistent from one minute to the next.

  141. 141
    avatar workyticket says:

    If David Cameron threatened to put a 100% import duty on Buckfast Tonic Wine (which is made in England), all talk of Scottish independence would stop immediately. I don;t think he will though as if Scotland votes for independence, we will have more Tory governments.

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    avatar Grumpy Old-Toon says:

    Don’t know if its been mentioned anywhere, but I am curious as to what is going to happen in the General election in 2015. the yes/no vote is 2014 and they would go independent in 2016 if yes. We would then have an English government partially decided by the Scots who are no longer anything to do with us politically.

    Anyone see problems with that scenario?

  143. 143
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, That would stop the referendum dead in it’s tracks, The whole of Scotland would come to a standstill!
    There would be an undying statement of loyalty to the union in perpetuity.
    Nowt is going to come between Shug and his bottle of “Buck Fast”!

    Has anyone ever partaken in this most refreshing of beverage?
    I cannot say i have had the pleasure myself, In fact i have never seen it on sale anywhere in the North East.
    Although i’m sure there will be the odd shop keeper who is lacking in moral fibre who will stock it!

  144. 144
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Can anyone remember the name of a cheap wine that was available in the back end of the 80′s early 90′s that was like a rite of passage of North Eastern teenagers?
    I cannot remember the name of it, But i think it was German or Austrian.
    You could buy it for 99 pence a bottle and it was completely foul to drink.
    In fact you were better off buying a bottle of vinegar and downing that because it was easier to swallow!

  145. 145
    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    February 28, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    “Has anyone ever partaken in this most refreshing of beverage?”

    Yes, it’s a bloody awful, sickly, sweet, sticky concoction, Joe. It’s just the tramp thing (and as we know, most Scots and Irish are tramps) of getting the most alcohol into ones bloodstream per penny spent, like cheap super strong cider and such.

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    avatar DissilusionedToon says:

    Joe. You arent thinking of Blue Nun are you? Not a wine drinker but I had that once and it was disgusting. I therefore think it was probably cheap!

  147. 147
    avatar DissilusionedToon says:

    Joe, or possibly Lambrini.

  148. 148
    avatar workyticket says:

    DissilusionedToon says:
    February 28, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    “Joe. You arent thinking of Blue Nun are you? Not a wine drinker but I had that once and it was disgusting. I therefore think it was probably cheap!”

    DT, the cheap German sweet wines like Blue Nun add sweetness later, which is nasty. The best sweet *pudding” wines are usually the ‘noble rot’ kind made using naturally sweet grapes like Muscat which are made to rot in a certain way.

    Tokai / Tokaji from Hungary and Sauternes from France are two of the best regions for quality pudding wines.

  149. 149
    avatar workyticket says:

    DissilusionedToon says:
    February 28, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    “Joe, or possibly Lambrini.”

    DT, have you ever tried to get pissed on Lambrini? It’s no stronger than ordinary 5% lager so you have to drink it by the pint like beer to get pissed. That doesn’t cut much ice with the tramp market.

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    avatar DissilusionedToon says:

    WT. Will take ur word fot it. Not a wine drinker. Just observed teenagers getting ratarsed on it. !!

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    joe hawkins says:
    February 28, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    “Can anyone remember the name of a cheap wine that was available in the back end of the 80′s early 90′s that was like a rite of passage of North Eastern teenagers?”

    Thunderbird?

    Fortified rocket fuel!

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    avatar Nutmag says:

    Joe could it be Lutomer Riesling from the old Yugoslavia it cost about 60p a bottle in the seventies

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    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    February 28, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    “Thunderbird?

    “Fortified rocket fuel!”

    Darth, I knew a girl who lived in Modesto, California and there they have a huge winery there called E&J Gallo. It is famous all over the world with people who don’t know f-all about wine apart from recognising three or four Yank / Aussie / South African brands in their local off license.

    Well they became one of the biggest winemakers in the world through making disgusting tramp wine like Thunderbird, ‘Night Train Express’ (As in the Guns n’ Roses song ‘Night Train’) and ‘Ripple.’

  154. 154
    avatar workyticket says:

    Nutmag says:
    February 28, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    “Joe could it be Lutomer Riesling from the old Yugoslavia it cost about 60p a bottle in the seventies”

    That stuff used to be everywhere, Nutmag. For those who so tight they wouldn’t stretch to a bottle of Blue Nun.

    Wine Quiz

    Which is better, British wine or English wine?

  155. 155
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    That would be English wine, worky, from grapes grown in England.

    ‘British wine’ is made from imported grape concentrate, according to a recent episode of QI, which is where I get most of my knowledge these days.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Darthbroon, Don’t remind me of that stuff “Thunderbird”, I was daft enough to down a bottle of the red label when i was about 15.
    Suffice to say, I was ill with it and when ever i am in a shop and i see it, Shivers go down my spine!

    The wine i was talking about was called something like Somerblemchum or something like that.
    It was basically like vinegar in huge magnum like bottle, And it was no more than a quid to buy.
    You would regularly see a bunch of youngsters congregated around a bottle of the stuff.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Surprisingly the drink has a more innocent background being brewed in Buckfast Abbey in Devon by monks of all people, Or used to be.
    Apparently the tonic wine is high in Caffeine, As much as six spoonfuls of coffee in each bottle.
    Well that will no doubt come in handy, It means you will be able to stay awake long enough to stab someone to death ffs!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    February 28, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    That would be English wine, worky, from grapes grown in England.

    Correct of course, Darth. But have you ever tried a very good English sparkling wine from Kent or East Sussex? If you’re ever going for a bottle of Moet et Chandon or something like that for about £25-30 a bottle, I would recommend trying a really good English sparkling wine instead.

  159. 159
    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    February 28, 2014 at 5:18 pm

    “Apparently the tonic wine is high in Caffeine, As much as six spoonfuls of coffee in each bottle.”

    So it’s like alcoholic Red Bull or one of those other daft so called energy drinks.

  160. 160
    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    February 28, 2014 at 5:18 pm

    “being brewed in Buckfast Abbey in Devon by monks of all people,”

    Joe, Monks make some evil drinks. Besides Buckfast there also Green Chartreuse (green + strong alcohol = inevitably blowing chunks at some stage), Belgian Trappist beers that have a life of their own and could knock out an Elephant etc…

  161. 161
    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    February 28, 2014 at 5:05 pm

    “Darthbroon, Don’t remind me of that stuff “Thunderbird”, I was daft enough to down a bottle of the red label when i was about 15.
    “Suffice to say, I was ill with it and when ever i am in a shop and i see it, Shivers go down my spine!”

    Joe, a review of T-Bird Red Label on ‘bumwine.com’ :lol:

    “The undisputed leader of the five in foulness of flavor, we highly discourage driking this ghastly mixture of unknown chemicals unless you really are a bum. A convenience store clerk in Show Low, AZ once told me that only the oldest of stumbling indian drunks from the reservation buy Thunderbird. Avaliable in 750 mL and a devastating 50 oz jug.”

    Not exactly Krug Vintage then :lol:

    http://www.bumwine.com/tbird.html

    I’m a keen student of etymology I noticed that these kind of cheap fotified wines are what gave us the term “wino” originally.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Scotsmac!

    Does anyone remember Scotsmac?

    I thought this 70s foulness had been killed off by ‘Buckie’ a long time since, but I recently found out that it’s still available in shops such as Netto and Lidl.

    It must be the worst concept for a drink ever, scotch whisky with British wine (the bad stuff made from grape concentrate and anti freeze, not the fine sparkling wine).

    Who drinks whisky with wine normally though (never mind British wine!) unless they’re completely arseholed at 4am or something like that?

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    avatar chuck says:

    I was told by a wino in the 50′s that a combination of Australian VP wine and Scrumpie, was the best thing since penicillin.
    Not sure what he meant but sounded pretty lethal at the time.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Ah, vp wine, Chuck. I remeber that one vaguely now you’ve mentioned it. I always thought it was British shite at the time but I’m sure you;re right. Wasn’t it like dirt cheap mild sherry? It was for people who who were too cheap to buy ‘Harvey’s Bristol Cream’ over here.

  165. 165
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    workyticket says:
    February 28, 2014 at 5:20 pm

    “But have you ever tried a very good English sparkling wine from Kent or East Sussex?”

    I must admit I haven’t, worky. I only really buy wine from supermarkets and I’m rather stuck on this stuff when it comes to sparkling wines

    http://www.danmurphys.com.au/product/DM_73235/seaview-brut-sparkling

    Very nice. Got it on Oz Clarke’s recommendation about fifteen years ago and I’ve gotten through quite a bit of it since. I’m partial to properly chilled champagne/sparkling wines.

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    avatar chuck says:

    WORKY @ 140#

    There you go again, nothing but personal insults and bluster.

    I obviously know something about the Irish economy, because I can discuss it, whereas all you come up with is insults and nonsense and believing bailing out as you call it was an act of charity.

    At present the Irish are well on their way back, having been screwed over by their so called friends in both the UK and the EU.

    Yes the Finance Minister (Lenihan) at the time bears a certain responsibility, as do both the Prime Minister
    (Taoiseach)and those that borrowed beyond their means.

    But those same lenders were or are being paid 100 cents to the euro, generated by the seven + percent bond rate.

    Which will last well into the next decade.

    There was no charity shown, just an advantage taken of another member states misfortune.

    In which case your condemnation of the Irish is based on ignorance as usual.

    You call me a tax hating right winger, tell me how many people you know who love to pay taxes, idiot!

    And tell me in this modern world, with great competition
    from everywhere, what does it take for a small country, to have a successful economy.

    Especially one which has little in the way of natural resources other than it’s well educated work force.

    It’s choice of high valued industry’s and a tax system, that is competitive.

    The same choice is available to any EU member who decide to employ the same system and is in no way illegal, as you imply.

    They are also The UK’s largest trading partner, in case you were unaware.

    Ergo The Queens recent visit.

    As she certainly didn’t want to be there apologizing for England’s past treatment of their first colony, but one has to protect ones markets, since there is no longer a captive colonial empire market, to take it’s products.

    So puleez, stop your bluster and use of negative terms, Bubble and squeeks, Paddies, most scot’s and Irish are tramps, etc.

    It’s both childish and unbecoming, grow up for god’s sake and stop sounding like a twelve year old.

    As it doesn’t really enhance the image you attempt to portray, unless it’s that of a verbal bully.

    Plus for once leave the bluster behind and try an attempt a valid argument, as I certainly don’t consider unfounded insults combined with rage, to be an argument.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Cocktail time, later!

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    avatar AndyMac says:

    “A few years ago my ex-friend and colleague, Hugh, left the site suddenly. I’ve managed to struggle along on my own since then, but I now have other things to do with my life, and in the last few days, the above mentioned Hugh has also informed me that he’s going to cut off the server on the 21st February”

    You paid the bill then WT ? :lol:

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    February 28, 2014 at 9:35 pm

    “At present the Irish are well on their way back, having been screwed over by their so called friends in both the UK and the EU.”

    You do actually realise that the UK personally helped to bail out Ireland with £14 billion from UK taxpayers, as well as the help they received from the EU as a whole.

    Like I say, you know NOTHING about it, you’re just being a bigot again.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    I’m banned from all Mirror group newspapers including the Chronicle, Journal etc…

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    How’s that happened? :lol:

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Hang on Darth, I’m just throwing up a very quick match banter thing.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Because they keep lying and I keep pointing it out probably. I think it could have been Simon Bird this time. It was Lee Ryder last time.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    What’s happened to the Hull match banter, worky?

    Twas there, now it’s gone.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    It was so dead I decided to get rid of it, Darth. I couldn’t be arsed if no one could! :-)

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Aye, where is everybody? There’s generally a good few of us around by now.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    They’re probably all out buying their Blunderland shirts for tomorrow :)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    March 1, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    “Aye, where is everybody? There’s generally a good few of us around by now.”

    It can happen if you say you’re shutting down and you stop doing blogs, Darth. I had to have some time off after four or five years almost non-stop though.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! 2 zip!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Remy was given a free goal by Figeroa there. :-)

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    We’re winning in the battle of the Pikey Sponsors at the moment…

    Cash Convertors 0 Wonga 2

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Darth, my ex-smack addict mate and his smack mates always used to call it “smack converters.”

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    We’re the only team that’s scored in all of the four 15:00 kickoffs.

    I bet Pardoo sets everyone out on the edge of the penalty box in the second half and we lose 4 – 2.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    FFS Here we go :(

    That was shite from Krul.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    That goal was almost as easy for them as our last goal was for us.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Hull gave us that goal again.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Aye. We’re due a bit of luck I reckon but this is comical stuff.

    Be nice to stick it to Brucey though, however it comes.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Being positive, I’m pleased that we’ve scored more than two goals because we don’t do that very often.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Here we go! Pardew’s off!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Pardew was rutting!

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Much as I’d like to see Pardew get a kicking, I thought Meyler did that on purpose and then shoved Pardew again afterwards.

    Brucey walked away though. Very wise :)

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    avatar dokky says:

    HE’S MAD! HE’S TOON! HE’LL NUT YA TO THIS TUNE’ PARDEEEEW PARDEEW

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Little Vurn’s first Premier League goal. He should have scored one before now.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Disappointed in Meyler there, He should have decked that grey headed f**k Pratdew!
    Would have been great to see him get knocked on his a**e!

    That’s the best we have played since the Palace game, Although i thought Hull played into our hands too much.
    Someone should have told them Xmas is not for another 10 months.
    S**t goals they give away today and could have been avoided, But that’s not our fault.
    I think Hull suited our style today and they were tailor made for us.

    Pardew is on Sky Sports now trying to play it down, But i think he will find himself in a wee bit of bother!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    It should have been a glorious 1-4 away victory but it’s more ‘Pardew headbutt shame’ in the headlines now.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    The stupid f**k has been warned about his conduct and they will now make an example of him.
    It will no doubt be blown out of all proportion by the media and The Premier League will hammer him for that!
    It will be the biggest talking point of the weekend and Samuel and all the rest will have a right go at him!

    I wonder if that has happened before when a manager tries to head butt a player on the side line?

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Howay Ashley you have my full support he must be in breach of contract for gross misconduct or something or other.
    Get him sacked on the double and you will not have to pay him lol

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    avatar chuck says:

    Worky @169 #

    Perhaps you should go back and read what I wrote, instead of setting up straw man arguments.

    Yes I said both the UK and the EU bought Irish bonds @ senven and a half percent, and investing as you claim fourteen billion at that rate is not charity, it’s usary.

    So don’t think for a minute either of the two were being charitable.

    But no point in explaining these things to you, as you as you obviously don’t (want to) understand the facts surrounding the matter and continue to pose the same bluster and insult as an argument.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Take the win, not the most interesting of games, though it was obvious Newcastle were the better side.

    They are using the width of the field and practicing the fast break, passing is improving and luck was on their side.

    But the result had more to do with a poor Hull performance, and no it wasn’t due to Newcastle’s superiority, just a nightmare game by the Hull defense.

    Though Anita got his first goal, he was nowhere close to
    the midfield engine expected, if he’s to be Cabaye’s replacement.

    Certainly Tiote played well, if only he could improve his passing game, not talking about getting rid of the ball, but picking out that killer pass.

    But I guess I shouldn’t complain, he covers the job he’s sent out to do, break up attacking plays.

    Whats up with Santon ?

    Williamson, still being sent into the oppositions box on set plays, though he has rarely made contact and has not ever scored in over one hundred and sixty odd games.

    Why ?

    I mean when is going to become obvious he’s never gonna
    score and because he is so slow, leaves a hole at the back, leave him back FFS!

    Dummett ? not playing bad, probably sell Santon and use him or Haidara @ LB.

    Thought Sissoko and Gouffran worked hard, and the combination of Remy and DeJong will eventually click as they become more familiar with each others game.

    We may have sold the wrong goalie, though Krul did make a good double save in the first half, but for some reason his play has been a bit flakey lately, loosing his place in the Dutch side.

    While the Geordie kid is interesting some of the top European sides, playing well for Celtic, what was it now, two million we got for him, another dumb-ass move.

    We may be in for a bit of luck, as Pardeux could be banned for a game or two, with Carver telling the side, “just go out and play football” instead worrying about constantly keeping shape.
    We still need two good center half’s, make sure we keep Remy and DeJong, bring in Gomis (free agent) and the two young French players, Grenier and Cabella, yeah some wish list, but with all of the proposed sales should be affordable, though would expand the wage bill a mite.

    Nah, just musing, aint gonna happen, but no harm in having a wish list.

    Oh! just listened to Pardew’s excuse for head-butting,

    “I just tried to push him off with my head”

    hilarious, but give the man credit, he’s got an excuse for every scenario.
    Whatta clown !

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    avatar dokky says:

    saints losing 2-0 to the bin dippers the race for 8th is on!

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    avatar chuck says:

    Guess I might have underestimated the seriousness of Pardeux’s actions to-day, with a number of personalities calling for a complete ban for the rest of the season, that or for him to be fired.

    Personally I’m in favour of firing him Ashley has an opportunity to now dump the chump, for due cause, which I’m sure exist’s in the contract.

    Either that or we have the luxury of not seeing his face and listening to his bullshit lines, for the rest of the season.

    On the other hand, Ashley may consider to be without a manager for the rest of the season is unacceptable, fire Pardeux and let Carver run things until he finds the manager he wants (being here’s plenty of kiss-ass retreads out there) which may be unacceptable to most fans, but hey, whadda ya gonna do with this owner.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Chuck, I was looking at it in more of a humorous kind of way, But having seen it in various angles and speeds, You have to say it is serious.
    Like Charlie Nicolas said, He had seen Wenger kicking a drinks bottle and Mark Hughes throwing his coat down, And all of these had been punished.
    He said Pardew’s actions had went beyond any kind of level, And he had crossed the line.

    I have to agree with him, Although there was no harm done to Meyler the intent was there, If that had of been a member of the crowd doing that, They would be nicked for Hooliganism.
    When manager’s are looking to put the nut on players, Where do you draw the line?
    Pardew’s trying to say he tried to move him with his head, But that is not going to wash Alan!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    They’re talking about Mad Dog Pardew as if he’s Jack the Ripper now. He has so much form too, Wenger, Bruce(?), O’Neill, that ref, calling Pellegrini a stupid old c@nt…

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    avatar chuck says:

    Wait a minute, didn’t Joey do time for violent behavior ?what was it Duncan Ferguson did time for, nutting someone on the field, charged with violent behavior.
    Pardew makes three, all passing through NUFC.
    Lets see.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Must have been a nightmare after the fact, especially having won so well, now the guy is probably in limbo .
    Lotta pressure!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 2, 2014 at 5:09 am

    “Wait a minute, didn’t Joey do time for violent behavior ?”

    Joey Barton’s been sticking up for Pardew after his headbutt. That’s a bit like being arrested for racism, then having the KKK pipe up to defend you.

    Pardew said he didn’t headbutt Meyler anyway, he said he “put his head in a forward motion” which of course is completely different.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Well as predicted the whole thing has been blown up, And everyone has an opinion on it.
    Shearer, Souness are saying he should be sacked, And the LMA are saying it’s indefensible.
    Peter Reid, Chris Kamara, Robbie Savage, Alan Hansen, They have all had a go at it.

    Personally i don’t think the F.A have acted enough with Alan Pardew over the years.
    He has previous for these type of unsavoury incidents and he has largely walked away scott free from them.
    They have more or less give this idiot Carte Blanche to carry out his own brand of thuggery.
    He hasn’t been reigned in enough and this escalation in his activities was expected.

    I have read certain fans saying that Meyler pushed Pardew first and he reacted to that.
    The more you look at the incident Meyler had very little to do with it and it looks like the whole thing is on Pardew.
    Meyler does shove Pardew but it is very innocuous and he isn’t even looking at Pardew.
    It is clearly the actions of a player who is trying to retrieve the ball when he team are requiring urgency.
    Lets be honest Pardew should not be standing where he is for a start.
    When Meyler goes to retrieve the ball why doesn’t Pardew move to the side?
    It seemed like a deliberate attempt to slow him down from getting the ball.,
    Not happy with that, Pardew aims a kick at Meyler when he goes past him.
    Meyler still says nothing and is not looking at Pardew and picks up the ball and runs past him.
    It is at that moment you can see Pardew utter something abusive at the player who only then acknowledges Pardew for the first time.
    Pardew then proceeds forward and tries to headbutt the player who reacts angrily in the aftermath.
    A lot of fans of Newcastle and other clubs are alluding to the shove, But Pardew was in the way of a player who has every right to retrieve the ball, And should be stepping to the side imo.

    Even after the game in his interview Pardew typically is trying to extricate himself from the incident and play it down.
    His appology in true Pardew style lacked sincerity or any kind of guilt and was merely side dressing.
    Some will say the Club have acted fast in dealing with the situation with a 100,000 pound fine, But is that just another token gesture and will Pardew ever hand over any reddies?
    Is this another cynical attempt by the board to secure their front of house man and puppet?
    Or is the beginning of the end of Pardew as some have suggested?

    The one thing for certain is the F.A, Premier league will hammer him severely, That there is no doubt.
    After all it is supposed to be a family sport and there would have been children there yesterday.
    It’s not what you want to see from a man who is old enough to know better.
    Then again he hasn’t learned anything from only a few weeks back when he gutter mouthed Manuel Pellegrini.

    Love him or loathe him you to agree with Robbie savage when he asked the question of how can Pardew issue discipline to his players when he carries out actions like that?
    You can see what he means by that, If your manager acts like a thug then what business does he have in telling others how to behave?

    He has made the rod for his back and because the expected maelstrom that was going to surround this, They will make an example of him.
    Like a court of law this case has no precedent so there will have to be some kind of historic action to follow it, As no one has seen this happen before.

    I always said it would be a great day when an odious character like Pardew was kicked out of Professional Football for good.
    He may find himself back fixing windows before he knows it…

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    The one person who deserves credit for yesterday’s debacle is Steve Bruce.
    He has went up in my estimation with the dignified and magnanimous way he dealt with the situation.
    He could have took the easy Pardew option and used the situation to steer a poor result away from himself.
    Fair play to Steve you have to hold your hands up to the classy way he dealt with it and tried to play it down.

    If the shoe had of been on the other foot, I think it is fair to say that Pardew would have not reacted in the same way.
    That is the difference between a proper manager and a jumped up moronic and classless chancer like Pardew!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Usually I am a modern rationalist with no time whatsoever for superstitions and whatnot. However, there is no doubt at all that Newcastle United is cursed.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, We might have to switch stadiums to lift the curse.
    Maybe all the lost souls who were hanged there are restless, And we shouldn’t be there lol.
    Saying that, There was a freeway being built on an Native American burial site and that was beset by tragedy, So you never know.

    Unless we bring some Witch Doctor or a Shaman to do a ceremony, Or get some drunken Geordie to slash in every corner flag to lift the curse!

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    avatar Nutmag says:

    Once worked with a “Brummy” supporter who always blamed their woes on the fact that St Andrews was built on an old gypsy site.The gypsy curse seems to do it for them.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    March 2, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    “Worky, We might have to switch stadiums to lift the curse.
    “Maybe all the lost souls who were hanged there are restless, And we shouldn’t be there lol.”

    Aye Joe, that’s the usual theory but that was before the club even started so if it was cursed that far back, it wouldn’t have had any success at all. It wouldn’t have been the most successful club of the Edwardian era, the great FA cup specialists of the fifties and it wouldn’t have picked up any of the other trophies either. The curse would be more recent.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, Today the nightmare scenario is half way to becoming complete.
    Sunderland are good value for their 1-0 lead, And have bossed possession.
    Pardew will have his prayer mat out, Because his day could go from bad to worse!

    “Cheesy Chips All Round”!

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    What a strike by Toure!, And just as you get the words out, It’s 2-1 City!

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    avatar DOKKY says:

    THANK GOD FOR THAT!

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, When all said and done, We are left with bad management at the root of all our problems.
    We have had far too many crooks, Cowboy’s, Con men who have used this club as their own personal piggy bank in the past!

    It’s like the carry on with Pardew now, If Ashley was that bothered about running the club properly, Then why bother investing any time in a no mark like Pardew?
    He has become an embarrassment and a liability so the best course of action would have been to give him the boot.

    It speaks volumes about his ambition for the club when you employ a failure like him, Then continually try to keep him on in the vain hope he might get better one day!
    I mean he could have asked anyone in Football about Pardew and his arrogance, Ego, Lack of ability etc, Before they employed him.

    A lot of the fans were quick to ridicule Joe Kinnear for various reasons on his return to the club.
    As far as i am concerned Alan Pardew is every bit if not more so a complete embarrassment than Joe Kinnear for his actions, But it seems it is one rule for him and another for Joe!

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    avatar chuck says:

    When the original incident occurred, it was clear that Pardew was purposely impeding Meyerly’s attempt to retrieve the ball, (killing time) though the game appeared virtually over.
    The head-butting scene was played after that, from a different perspective and shows Pardew mouthing off and ending with the head butt, before he was then separated.

    What is the conclusion everyone would have reached, had this been a game involving youngsters, where a coach or manager puts a loaf on one of the kids.

    Call the cops, get him banned for life and maybe do time.

    And being it involved one of the top leagues in the world and involved professionals, seen by millions, what kind of a message does this send out about the way things operate in the EPL.

    Is it the pressures he is under?
    As he has recently been involved in a number of incidents
    squaring up to other managers and verbally insulting them.

    Is the guy unstable ?
    Face it, his actions are not those of a normal person.
    Nah! all of that psycho-babble nonsense, he apparently believes in, probably got a mini library filled with self help books.
    Personally I think the guy is and always has been, a nutter (no pun intended) which only becomes apparent while under pressure.
    Though there should have been no pressure at the time of the incident, with the game virtually over.
    Anelka was fined over a hundred a fifty thousand quid, for portraying an illegal political symbol.
    Which begs the question, what to do with Pardeux ?
    It’s an opportunity for fatso to dump him, but where is he going to find another low paid ass kissing psycho.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Chuck, Exactly, The incident occurs because Pardew is deliberately trying to stop Hull taking a quick thrown in.
    Once Meyler tries nudge Pardew out of the way, He then has a swipe at the ball which nearly trips Meyler up.
    The whole time this is happening Meyler doesn’t make eye contact with Pardew full stop!
    It is only when Pardew abuses him that the incident takes place, And Pardew was the instigator imo.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    March 2, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    “It speaks volumes about his ambition for the club when you employ a failure like him,”

    looking at the facts he’s slightly below what he should be in terms of average league position (11/9ish), very slightly below if we finish 8th as we are now (9.5/8.5ish). His 38% win percentage should be well into the forties with a team like Newcastle. Roeder got over 45%, never mind managers like Bobby and Kev (the good time).

    So putting opinions aside for a while (and most people know what mine are) and going on metrics, I would give him a ‘C’ or a ‘second’ or something like that if I was marking him purely in terms of results so far. I could have said ‘C-’ but i’ll be generous as he’s in the dock now and I usually stick up for the underdog.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Joe, I take it that you won’t be out wearing a “Pardew is innocent” T-Shirt then?

    Actually, thinking about it, there should be alot of good T-Shirt ideas in this. I could make some and be the next Mike Ashley.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, Some T-Shirts like the one’s the Mackem’s are selling with the “Horse Puncher would go down well”
    “Justice For The Wimbledon One” would also go down well.
    Or even a “Yosser Hughes” “Giz A Job” because he could find himself in loads of bother with the F.A.

    That’s the thing though, Is it really worth the bother to keep a below average manager, When the only thing he has going for him is his ability to show himself up.
    I wouldn’t mind if he was as good as a Louis van Gaal in his prime, But it’s Pardew we are talking about, Who becomes more and more a parody of himself with the passing days.

    In a kind of perverse way i suppose he has become some what entertaining.
    If your not a Newcastle fan you must be p***ing yourself watching Pardew’s car crash.
    It isn’t over yet and it could become something approximating John Sillett’s melt down!

    His press conferences have become as amusing as the Iraqi Press spokesman during the war.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    I’ve said here many times (to the point of boring everyone to death, probably) that I’d like to see the back of Pardew, but the hypocrisy of some of the pundits baying for his blood over the Mayler thing is fukking sickening. I wouldn’t have him leave over this if I could just press a button and make it happen.

    I mean, how can it be right that the likes of Graeme Souness is recommending Pardew for the sack given HIS reputation for aggression and threatening behavior as a player AND a manager?

    And Robbie Savage describing anyone’s behavior as ‘disgraceful’ is just taking the fukking p|ss :lol:

    As for Richard Keys saying that “Sir Bobby Robson will be spinning in his grave” – I’d rather that cnut just didn’t mention SBR at all.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    March 3, 2014 at 7:54 am

    “I’ve said here many times (to the point of boring everyone to death, probably) that I’d like to see the back of Pardew, but the hypocrisy of some of the pundits baying for his blood over the Mayler thing is fukking sickening. I wouldn’t have him leave over this if I could just press a button and make it happen.”

    It was Joe Kinnear the other month and it will be someone else eventually. It’s the way the world is supposed to be, beasts ripping each other apart for the entertainment of other beasts so we are distracted from the real issues in our lives.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    March 3, 2014 at 7:54 am

    “Sir Bobby Robson will be spinning in his grave”

    Darth, does Richard Keys know that Bobby Robson was cremated?

    Alan “Pardew must go” Shearer has been no different to all those names you mentioned. I agree with you about Pardew and all the indignant rent-a-quote parasites. What would they have been like if it was Joe Kinnear?

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Darthbroon, Normally i would agree with everything you say concerning pundits and every other Tom, Dick and Harry jumping on the bandwagon baying for blood.
    At the end of the day though, It’s that classless moronic chump Pardew who is at the epicenter of this rubbish.
    I am willing to turn a blind eye on this occasion and let them do their worst lol.

    It would be great if they turned around and said, Alan you are banned from managing in Britain for two years.
    That would effectively get him off our back and finish him off for good.
    It also narrows Ashley’s sphere of Yes men and cronies he can call upon, And closer to him doing one for good!

    The prick will probably only get a 10 match ban and he will be back spouting next season with an even smaller squad as punishment for his misdemeanours.
    He will be in an even weaker position than normal and Ashley will go into a third window without spending.
    Pardew as per usual will be happy to keep his job, And it will be the fans who suffer again, Unfortunately!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    March 3, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    “At the end of the day though, It’s that classless moronic chump Pardew who is at the epicenter of this rubbish.
    I am willing to turn a blind eye on this occasion and let them do their worst lol.”

    You’re not “turning a blind eye” though, Joe. You’re jumping in there with steel toecapped boots and a bicycle chain!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    March 3, 2014 at 7:54 am

    “I’d like to see the back of Pardew, but the hypocrisy of some of the pundits baying for his blood over the Mayler thing is fukking sickening.”

    Football pundits (and most others) have no shame whatsoever nowadays. They will say absolutely anything if they think it will get them attention. :lol:

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    I’d forgotten about the Brass Eye thing. What a pr|ck :)

    This is funny (if you’re not totally sick of the whole thing yet)

    http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/newcastle-manager-alan-pardew-worse-than-hitler-says-spoof-simpson-ized-newspaper-report-picture/

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, If we don’t get rid of Pardew it will be us who suffer again!
    Pardew will come out of this in an even weaker position where Ashley is concerned.
    He will now be even more beholding to him for keeping his job, When others would have got rid.
    That leaves Ashley with all the aces again, And this could lead to a third window without any money being spent.
    He will basically not have a leg to stand on and it’s no good to us!

    All joking aside of what i said above, He really isn’t worth the hassle to us.
    We just don’t need Pardew and all his problems as things are bad enough as it is without him continually putting his foot in it.
    I have no doubt he will learn nothing from this and go on to do something equally as stupid.
    I think we need a manager who is on our side and not someone who continually walks the fence!

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Well he has been charged and the case has been designated non standard.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    March 3, 2014 at 3:41 pm

    “I’d forgotten about the Brass Eye thing. What a pr|ck”

    Darth, you can still get Phil Collins ‘Nonce-Sense’ T-Shirts, and they’re on special offer!

    http://www.8ball.co.uk/brasseye-t-shirt-nonce-sense

    I’m going to get one.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    Sorry for my absence, I think I was the one who killed the new match banter…sick wife and sick baby all weekend = all work and no play and makes me a dull boy…(Yes, I watched The Shining recently.)

  233. 233
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    tunyc, For being absent,” We are not going to hurt you, We are going to bash you to f**k”!

    “Because you have had your whole f**king life to think things over”!

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    avatar GS says:

    I thought the site had been taken down?

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    avatar GS says:

    I hadn’t looked for a while because I am sure that Worky had said the server rental was up. Anyway, I will have a read of what was said about the weekend.

    I am sure someone else has said it but this is turning into a witch hunt. Players that have been no Angels on the pitch are gleefully unloading on Pardew. Barton is probably the only exception.

    Shearer is certainly stirring the pot. I wonder if he has anything against Mike Ashley :)

    On another note, I am enjoying watching Liverpool. It is good for English football when they do well. I have even warmed to Brendan. He says some dumb sh#t but he is entertaining and passionate.

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    avatar GS says:

    By the way, they had a 30 second segment on Pardew during the PGA golf yesterday. It also made CNN and The New York Times.

    People ask where I am from sometimes. I say Newcastle and they have no idea where it is except they’ve heard of brown ale. Fame at last, due to Pardew.

    I don’t condone Pardew’s actions in any way. But the “think of the children” brigade and former football hardmen railing against him is just a bit hypocritical.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 3, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    “Shearer is certainly stirring the pot. I wonder if he has anything against Mike Ashley”

    Shearer wants Ashley to sack Pardew so it sounds like he has more against him. Of course though, nothing Alan Shearer does is genuine. I think we’re supposed to applaud Shearer’s moral values like performing seals and maybe ask if someone like him is the one to deliver us from this nightmare? That would give him an erection. Personally I think the way the Shearer has stuck the knife into Pardew’s back means he has has no morality.

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    avatar GS says:

    Here’s a different take on Pardew:

    http://www.football365.com/john-nicholson/9194449/John-Nicholson

    I really don’t know what to think anymore because of the double standards in the punishments that have been meted out in the past. Didn’t we appeal Remy’s ban for doing about the same thing? What about Mourihno’s eye poke or Gattuso on Jordan.

    And swearing? Pardew gets fined and Rooney tells a Ref to ef-off every game. And Ferguson would give the Ref and Fourth official an earful every game they were losing. I am sure he wasn’t asking how their kids were doing.

    Now the whole world is moralizing and saying think of the children. It was a stupid action by a stupid man, but this is over the top.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Hmmmm ! we have contributor’s who expressed nothing but dislike and abuse to-wards Pardew, who are suddenly defending him (Worky, & Barf Broon)

    And instead, jumping all over those pundits who are currently and rightly, condemning him for his actions.

    What’s that about, cant make up your mind’s ?

    FFS the guy’s a nutter in more ways than one, if you haven’t figured that out by now, something’s wrong.

    He has been seen by millions head butting a player, (who tried to ignore him) while blocking his way to retrieve the ball, obviously not satisfied with that he verbally abuses the player and end’s up head-butting him (ermm, I tried to push him away with my head) for all to see.
    Damn I thought most people would be happy (the two mentioned above have frequently condemned him) to hopefully see him go.

    Lets get a proper perspective here, we all saw what happened and there is no excuse for his actions, and unless you want to see this occur on a regular basis, the FA has to adequately punish the guy.

    With that in mind who will run the side until the end of the season and what kind of respect would he get from the players, if allowed to continue.

    You two (Worky & Barf Brrown) should make up your minds instead of confusing the matter by attempting to blame those (pundit’s and ex players) who have unanimously condemned his actions, by bringing up old incidents involving the players and pundits themselves.

    An unprecedented action in the EPL’s history.

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    avatar chuck says:

    And oh! add that idiot “GS” to the “save wor Alan brigade”

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    crank says:
    March 3, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    “And instead, jumping all over those pundits who are currently and rightly, condemning him for his actions.”

    Robbie Savage barely qualifies as a human being let alone a pundit, Major.

    He’s a cretin with a double-digit IQ. Much like you.

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    avatar Grumpy Old-Toon says:

    Pardew is going to get the book slung at him by the FA and the result is probably going to be a massive overreaction. I’ve watched the incident several times and have no doubt he was (over) reacting to a provocative act.

    I would like to see the FA take further retroactive punishment against Meyler, after all his was his initial act that started the whole sorry business.

    If as many pundits are saying that Pardew is on his way out, it would be a little amusing if he was to be replaced by Harry Redknapp also apparently now in line for the sack. Bet he would jump this time at the chance if the offer was made. Not that I am either advocating this bizarre possibility or wanting it.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Chuck, have you ever seen Stanley Kubrick’s brilliant film, ‘A Clockwork Orange?’ well think of Pardew as Alex Delarge.

    I know that you and Joe would really like to give him the full Ludovico treatment by giving him drugs and torturing him with non stop videos of his own games from last season. However I just don’t like the media parasites, and would say that they was ultimtely worse. Let Pardew get banned for the rest of the season and get another big six figure fine or whatever, he did a very naughty thing. But these pathetic witch hunt things are for village idiots.

    Pardew as Delarge would be a good T-Shirt design actually, with John Carver as ‘Dim.’

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    avatar Nutmag says:

    Funny there is no polls asking Should Pardew Resign?

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    avatar GS says:

    Chuck: lets not start. I am not even disagreeing with you because I haven’t read it. I may not bother now.

    I am certainly not a Pardew apologist. Have a closer read. I am talking about double standards and some people like Souness who was brought into NUFC to “sort people out” are having a go at Pardew with no thought of how ironic it is.

    As I said, I don’t even know what a suitable punishment would be as the FA don’t really seem to know what they dish out for what? They make it up as they go along like they do on retroactive suspensions. They seem to not really have any clear rules for appeals either (or they don’t follow them).

    I will tell you one thing though, there is one rule for Wayne Rooney and another rule for everybody else.

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    avatar chuck says:

    I find it unbelievable that on this blog, following the
    the actions of Pardeux, that there are those who find it reasonable to defend our manager.

    And instead choose to defend him.

    I’m surprised that both Worky and Grumpy have made that decision and can’t imagine why?

    To attempt to lay blame on Mayerle is nonsense, but obviously some idiots have chosen that route.

    Get this a.hole out of our club and hire someone who knows something about the game is what we need.

    Though Ashley may not feel that way.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Watched one of the best games of football I have seen this season.
    The game between Liverpool and Southampton.
    No doubt each club have between them the best young managers in the league.
    Yeah! no doubt Worky will disagree with me, but I have been proved right in my choice of both Rodgers and Potechino as part of that young footballing technicians, which are necessary in the EPL if we are to compete with others in Europe.
    Whereas his choice of “The Prince of Denmark has proven to be ” a failure, not even living up to Swansea’s result’s under Rodgers, despite worky’s promised bluster.
    Ah well!
    Guess there are some of us who understand the game and others who think they do.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 4, 2014 at 6:16 am

    “Yeah! no doubt Worky will disagree with me, but I have been proved right in my choice of both Rodgers and Potechino [sic]”

    Chuck, you’d never even heard of Bielsa, Pochettino or Laudrup until I mentioned them. As for Swansea, they were in around the same position as they were under Rodgers when Laudrup was sacked (12th). That was with a run of frankly awful decsions from referees as well which undoubtedly lost them a few points. Having said that, Swansea did lose their sting somewhat compared with Laudrup’s early days. Ironically they had become more like Swansea as they were under Rodgers, ie passing the ball round in their own half without getting forward enough. Thanks tp Laudrup, Swansea also have some excellent players too like Bony, Michu, de Guzman, Jonjo Shelvey, Wayne Routleage, Pablo Hernandez, Chico Flores blah blah. He had to reshape the whole team and the bumpkins at Swansea never gave him any time to make things work.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 4, 2014 at 6:16 am

    “Watched one of the best games of football I have seen this season.
    “The game between Liverpool and Southampton.”
    “No doubt each club have between them the best young managers in the league.”

    Er, you did notice that Southampton lost that game 3-0?

    Now as I’ve mentioned several time in the past quite an admirer of many aspects of Pochettino and Bielsa’s work, but they are so forward in their play they are always on a knife edge, that’s one of the things that is so exciting but they can leave themselves open at the back to teams. In Pardew’s first game against them Southampton lost 4-2 to the Silver Supremo. Their performance showed both the negative and positive sides of Pochettino’s game. They raced off to an early lead but ended up as complete suckers, though I didn’t take that game too seriously as that was early days for Pochettino and it takes quite a while for his methods to work.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    clunk says:
    March 4, 2014 at 6:16 am

    “Guess there are some of us who understand the game and others who think they do.”

    Blustering old prat :lol:

    “…which are necessary in the EPL if we are to compete with others in Europe.”

    ‘We’, paleface? ‘WE’?

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    worky

    Speaking of Pochettino: It’s looking less and less likely that he’ll be at Southampton next season – even worse from a Saints fan’s point of view, it looks likely that the club will be run down over the closed season with some key players been let go prior to the club being sold.

    Pochettino was Ex-Chairman Nicola Cortese’s man and Cortese left because Marcus Liebherr’s daughter is looking to get shot of the club and has ‘no plans for any further investment’.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/mauricio-pochettinos-southampton-future-still-3196822

    I’m not sure which is worse:

    Being a toon fan and supporting a club owned lock, stock and barrel by a useless blob with no ambition beyond using us as an advertising hoarding for chav sports gear – no likelihood of this situation changing any time soon

    OR

    Being a Southampton fan and seeing the real chance of your club becoming a force in European football come to nowt as all of the infrastructure put in place over the last five years is stripped away – what’s left going to fukk-knows-who in a fire sale.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    March 4, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    “One of my colleagues has just pointed this out. Talk about bad taste…”

    Not the first time. Paddy Power have done some vile stuff in the past. Anything’s fair game to them.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    March 4, 2014 at 2:25 pm (Edit)

    “worky

    “Speaking of Pochettino: It’s looking less and less likely that he’ll be at Southampton next season – even worse from a Saints fan’s point of view, it looks likely that the club will be run down over the closed season with some key players been let go prior to the club being sold.”

    That was all “And it is believed blah blah…” no substantiation whatsoever.

    Whatever the truth behind the scenes there, that isn’t a story, Darth. It’s just been made up by Dave Kidd. It’s shite. He could be trying to turn Southampton fans against Katharina Liebherr or something like that.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    30 years since “The Miner’s Strike”, Fooken Hell! Where has aal the time went?
    I remember a Band called “The Red Skins” from York doing benefit gigs for them.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    workyticket says:
    March 4, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    “Whatever the truth behind the scenes there, that isn’t a story, Darth. It’s just been made up by Dave Kidd. It’s shite. He could be trying to turn Southampton fans against Katharina Liebherr or something like that.”

    I’m mainly going by what Cortese said at the time of his leaving, Worky. This is just one more artile from one more source.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    March 4, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    “I’m mainly going by what Cortese said at the time of his leaving, Worky.”

    What did he say, Darth?

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    I believe he said that whe was leaving because he couldn’t get the assurances he required regarding the future of the club (in terms of continued investment and gaurentees that the owners weren’t trying to force through a sale).

    Another article

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jan/15/nicola-cortese-southampton-exit-manager

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    avatar GS says:

    I am enjoying watching Liverpool, but they haven’t done anything yet. They didn’t even get into Europe last year. They are lucky to have Moyes to compete with and John Henry isn’t afraid to spend money as he has shown. He is the guy that offered Billy Bean the most lucrative general manager’s contract in baseball history.

    Who knows, even Pardew might have done a good job with that backing and Suarez already at the club and Stirling coming through :) Grandpa Simpson always looks at things in a very simplistic way. As good as their attack is their defense could cost them. They play with an almost Keeganesue style, which is a good watch.

    If you look at the money spent, the top clubs are about where they should be, especially considering that Man City have 2 games in hand and will probably be above Liverpool soon (the exception is Moyes making a complete hash of Man U). Crowing about Liverpool doing well because of their manager is a bit of a stretch. He hasn’t totally f@cked up like Kenny, but we had experience of what Kenny can do to a team so that wasn’t totally unexpected.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 235: witch hunt? Hmph. Maybe. But the praise he gets from the talking heads for doing FA to improve/direct this squad is nonsense too. Take the good with the bad…with the paycheck.

    One thing though: I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the angle in this that the manager should be above certain things players do. If you have a guy kicking you all match, or just catches you with one good one, you can boil over physically. What’s Pardew’s excuse? (That’s rhetorical as I don’t actually want to hear another excuse from him.)

    That’s about all the energy/time I have for giving a shit about Pardew though anything that gets him fired is fine by me. They can exile him to Siberia for all I care. He deserves it for something, I’m sure. As for Shearer, Savage et al: sometimes you gotta let people be right for the wrong reasons.

    Didn’t we have someone on here once going on about how great the Liebherrs are as owners? Oh, karma…

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    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 259: Beane is incredibly overrated. Let me know when the As when something. (Their division doesn’t count.)

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    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 259: also, as much as it’s clear to me that Moyes is not the right man for the job they haven’t bought intelligently in years. I believe the line that Ferguson stepped down when he did because he had no appetite for a total rebuild of the squad. I still can’t believe how the Tevez saga ended there. I still can’t believe they sold CR at the beginning of his prime with no replacement. I still can’t believe they didn’t buy Cabaye. I still can’t believe that Rooney can hold the club to ransom yearly. It became clear to me that their personnel people didn’t understand the contemporary player market with their remarkably incompetent pursuit of Sneijder.

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    avatar GS says:

    We get a channel called BEin Sports over here and Andy Gray does a spot on a Monday night. He said that he watched our game with Souness and Shearer. He then went on to say that Pardew should be sacked. He mentioned that he had played golf with Shearer and Souness yesterday. Is it any wonder that they are singing from the same hymn sheet.

    And for the person who is a bit slow to comprehend, I am saying something about why some of these people are in lockstep with their opinions, I am not passing judgment on Pardew.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 261: err, that’s “win something”. Damned homonyms.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 263: that’s what I mean. When AP was leading us through 1 win in 9, held scoreless in 8, thumped by SAFC and dumped from the cup: they were in lockstep in their thoughts that it really wasn’t his fault, that he should be given more time, that nobody else could do any better. Live by it, die by it.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    March 4, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    “I remember a Band called “The Red Skins” from York doing benefit gigs for them.”

    ♪ Keep on keepin’ on yeah! ♫

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    avatar GS says:

    Tunyc: I agree to an extent about Man U, but Moyes’ body language… My point about Beane was that John Henry wasn’t afraid to throw money around.

    I agree with you that the pundits might be right for the wrong reasons. All I have been saying is that they are hypocrites and the FA don’t have any clear disciplinary rules after all this time and all the money paid to their executives to do their job. But we knew this already :)

    Pardew will probably get a stadium ban. If we tank, Ashley might use it as an excuse to sack him. If we are OK, then questions will be asked about what Pardew does for the team anyway. He is in a no-win situation.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 4, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    “Who knows, even Pardew might have done a good job with that backing and Suarez already at the club and Stirling coming through”

    You didn’t even mention Sturridge, who is also one of the top three Premier League scorers with Suarez.

    “Grandpa Simpson always looks at things in a very simplistic way”

    GS, I’ve been following the Scottish Independence referemdum over here. I’ve been following it quite closely as I’m learning alot from it about the kind of things I’m a bit obsessive about on here. Seriously, the Nationalists are all so much like Chuck.

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    avatar GS says:

    Liverpool just reported a 50 million loss on double our turnover. So that’s about 150 more annual spend than us. That’s quite a lot wouldn’t you say?

    Now, is it Rodgers or the money that has caused this mini-revival?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 4, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    “Liverpool just reported a 50 million loss on double our turnover”

    Which figures are our figures and which figures are liverpool’s figures though, GS? Did Newcastle United make a £600,000 loss, or did they make a £10 million profit?

    If the figures were reported the same way as they were the season when Carroll was sold, it would have been the £600,000 loss rather than the £10 million. In that season they announced a small operating loss rather than a huge profit (and didn’t pay tax again). They also mentioned something about putting the Carroll money into the club’s reserves. This time the club said that the accounts were prepared very much with the Financial Fair Play regulations in mind, and I think they have been.

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky: the exact numbers are not that important to my point that money is the main driver for success nowadays. There will be blips like Kenny and Moyes, but I know you agree with my general point.

    The Telegraph did an analysis today of FFP for the top teams (we weren’t included :) ). Their estimate of Liverpool losses was approx 50 million this year and last year.

    I will post it if you want.

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    avatar GS says:

    There is also the fact that the teams with the most money attract the best managers (Liverpool excepted, who took a chance on a relatively untried mid-table manager). Still boils down to money though.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 4, 2014 at 6:37 pm

    “I will post it if you want.”

    Aye GS, post it if you like.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Duh ! someone just figured out that money well spent is the main reason for a clubs success.

    Wow ! how did you reach that amazing conclusion.
    Could it have anything to do with PSG, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man. Citeh etc.

    However a decent manager is still the most important piece in the mix.

    And Rodgers is no one trick pony, he has molded Liverpool into an excellent side, with the twin threats of Suarez and Sturridge by far the most prolific in the league.

    They may lack a sound defensive unit, but they more than make up for it up front.

    Strengthen the back four and add a bit of quality to the bench and Viola! there’s the making of a PL championship side.

    Though looked at as a possession orientated side, much like Swansea during his time there, he has proved many of his critics wrong, using tactics and lineups that
    best suit the conditions, he has used any number of lineups, from a 4-4-2, to a diamond similar to Citeh’s.

    Of course much of his success is due to his strike partnership and without Suarez, would not be so successful.

    Things seem to be improving at the other Merseyside club, with Martinez’s taking over from Moyes, who was handed a poisoned chalice at M.U.

    Though he sold the big hair Belgian (for a big profit)
    he has subsequently bought well, getting a bit of flair from McGeady, who was bought cheap, that and one of the best young defensive midfielders in the league,McCarthy, I expect a lot more from this side in the coming season, this being a learning year.

    And in doing so, he has not spent a fortune .

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    avatar chuck says:

    WORKY @ 268#
    Sez

    …I’m learning a lot about it (Scot’s independence)
    Seriously the Nationalists are all so much like chuck!

    Does that include yourself, as you are one of the most defensive English Nationalists I have met on this blog who for whatever reason appears to be against any breakup of the UK.

    I guess the Scots have their lists of what they can do better on their own, face it their education system works better, they have the advantage of another thirty years of oil revenues and with an almost six million population (bigger than many countries)could manage very well thank you!

    Are you afraid of taking the Great out of GB, forget it, that went with loss of empire.

    And when/if Scotland does break the link, what then for Wales and Norniron, and oh! Geordieland too.

    Perhaps the scot’s will allow them to join and bring NUFC and Sunderland in as SPL members, where they could qualify each year for the champions league, better than another twenty years of mid table mediocrity, with our present cheap-ass boss.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Read where Pardeux’s fine amounted to one months pay, which would have him on 1.1m. quid a year, does that sound right or is it some ones ball-park figure?

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    avatar chuck says:

    Yeah I see Sir Alex., was in town recently, and I know he has an apartment in the east 60′s.
    But what’s he doing here during this bitter cold winter season we are having.
    Just to get away from things? or perhaps he has been summoned by the Glazers, who would like to know why he picked such a loser and how much it will take to rebuild their stock market loosing investment.
    Strange as it may sound, it’s quite possible that the club could end up bankrupt, example’s being Glasgow Rangers, Leeds, Portsmouth.
    So not so far fetched.
    Ferguson knew when to jump, with an ageing side and only mediocre players brought in, selling youngsters who were prospects but were never given an opportunity, in all poor management.
    But I’m sure he felt last seasons league win was about as much as he could get from this bunch and didn’t have the bottle for a rebuilding effort and Moyes actually thanked him for dropping him in it.
    Shouldda told him, first pull that knife outta my back will you.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 4, 2014 at 9:01 pm

    “But what’s he doing here during this bitter cold winter season we are having.”

    He’s Scottish, Chuck. They;re like vampires, they can’t go near the sun. We Geordies aren’t much better.

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    avatar GS says:

    Grandpa Simpson: I was simply pointing out that money is as much of a factor in Liverpool’s current resurgence as Brendan, and perhaps more. Brendan may not be a one trick pony, but we haven’t really seen his one trick yet as he was a mid-table manager who hasn’t even qualified for Europe yet. F@ck, even Pardew managed that on half Brendan’s budget.

    Martinez has Everton about where Moyes had them and managed to win a cup and get relegated. I think Birmingham managed that as well.

    You should stop the crowing.

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    avatar GS says:

    I don’t really want to get into another fight though Chuck. You always swear at me and run away anyway.

    As I have said I am enjoying Liverpool’s style of play and if it wasn’t for your crowing I would probably give Brendan some credit.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 5, 2014 at 12:47 am

    “You should stop the crowing.”

    If it makes him happy, GS.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Chuck, We would win the league every year, Even with Ashley’s low to no spends.
    Pardew will be able to nut anyone until his hearts content.
    The only downside to that is, I cannot imagine travelling up to places like Motherwell on cold Wednesday night in the winter lol.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    It’s a funny little stadium is Fir Park.
    It reminds me of Football after the Second World War, With it’s low roofs and overall feel.
    I can just imagine seeing the kids with their dads donning flat caps and waving those huge wooden rattles that would choke a donkey.

    Typical oldy Worldy small town stadium, It should have adverts around it like “The Viz” with things like “Smoke Tabs” “Drink Liquids” etc…

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    avatar GS says:

    You know, when Pardew gets banished from grounds for the rest of the year we could have the choice of Laudrup, Clarke and Di Mateo?

    I mean, any of them would be better than Carver, and Fatty gets Alan’s contract ripped up.

    It would be a shrewd business move. If they fail, he could always rehire Pardew like he did Kinnear. Who else would employ the pariah Pardew? Yeah, I know, he’d get a job at QPR or Cardiff.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    GS-what side has been successful of late without spending money? (I’m sure you know, for example, that it’s a myth that EFC don’t spend.)

    worky-regarding Sturridge, I’ll never understand why CFC over the last couple seasons sold and repeatedly loaned their two best forwards in favor of plodders and retreads like Torres, Eto’o and Ba. Good thing for them they have that ridiculous stable of midfielders…

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    avatar chuck says:

    Well this is getting boring “the Pardeux saga”.

    With former club hero’s on opposite sides of the matter.

    With a recent statement from Bob Moncur defending Pardeux and taking shots at both Souness and Sheera.

    Loking at former stuff he has commented on, I can only reach the conclusion, he’s on the PR payroll.

    Then there was the Geordie from North Carolina, a certain “Mr. Ed”., who’s poll showed over seventy percent voting in favor of Pardeux’s retention at the club, can that be right?

    Though with Ed., one never knows as he blows with the wind, his only concern, being hit’s on his blog.

    Then there was the incident between Ashley and local MP
    Chi Onwurah, who invited him to tea at the Commons, in order to attempt to heal the present division’s between he and the fans.
    Which was quickly refused in a terse reply from Ashley’s other ass-kisser Charnley, telling her in no uncertain
    terms to FO and don’t bother Ashley again.

    A loverly bunch of people Ashley has surrounded himself with, all refecting views and opinions, after first checking with Mike.
    The only on who annoys him at times would be Pardeux who blurts out some of the most ridicules statements, perhaps following the FA’s decision, we may no longer be
    hearing from him.

    Hell when Woy falls on his Sword in Brazil, give him the Engerland job, I mean he would look the part at least, looking good in a Blazer with the Three Lions badge etc.

    As for tactics, perfect, he plays the English game of ten to twenty years ago, which could totally bamboozle the opposition, who may think it’s some recent english tactical approach to football.

    I hear DeBoer and Hiddink are about to be available in the summer, as is Laudrup and Malky Mackay (either who would please Worky) plus a few more interesting prospects.
    But when the criteria for judging a manager, is measured in major ass-kissing, I don’t see eny of the above, in with a shot, ah well, what’s new ?

    Face it better to hire a manager who can win something than one who is content to live in mid league mediocrity.

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    avatar chuck says:

    tunyc

    You are certainly right in the case of Sturridge, who I recall playing at St. James’ a few years ago, who gave
    our LB at the time Enrique, who ran him ragged and no doubt was glad to hear the final whistle.

    At least the Liverpool owner is no cheapskate and understands that a winning side earns more money in the long run, just compare the earnings (apart from bums in seats), with the same earnings at NUFC, mostly based on fans living outside of the Liverpool area and as a result of prior success over the years.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    March 5, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    “GS-what side has been successful of late without spending money? (I’m sure you know, for example, that it’s a myth that EFC don’t spend.)”

    You know all of Ashley’s big lies, well that’s Bill Kenwright’s. He went on and on about Everton’s ‘poverty’ years ago until it just came to be accepted as fact, even when they were buying players like Fellaini and Yakubu for £15-20 million each.

    I think Kenwright thinks they have a god given right to be one of the top teams like their rivals in Liverpool and Manchester, and he means poverty in comparison with them, ie the two Manchester teams and their red neighbours. They are still about the same as us and a long way behind the top six group.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Has Shearer’s echo, Rob Lee, offered his disgust at Pardew’s beastly actions yet?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    I hear DeBoer and Hiddink are about to be available in the summer, as is Laudrup and Malky Mackay (either who would please Worky) plus a few more interesting prospects.

    Mackay’s alright. He’s a fair enough manager and he was treated terribly at Cardiff, but I’m not a big fan who is desperate to bring hime here.

    Laudrup would last a minute with Ashley, he’s a diva like Cruyff and Maria Callas. Swansea probably decided to sack him some time ago when they had the previous dispute.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Joe Hawkins @ 283#

    You are right, some interesting and positive point’s you raised, concerning Geordieland linking up with the Scots and having both NUFC & Sunderland in the SPL.

    I mean we gotta have the local derby, right!

    And winning the league every year and playing in the champions league, is nowt to sniff at, right!

    Plus Pardew could go around nutting people at his pleasure, after all it’s dismissed as only a kiss in Scotland, “Glesgie Kiss”

    Actually, I was hoping Rangers make it back to contention with Celtic, where Ashley would sell up here and take his operation across the border, will it remain part of the Shengen zone on becoming separate, or will one need a passport and have to exchange currencies.

    Or will the wearing of a WONGA top, be sufficient identification?

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    avatar chuck says:

    While we are (well I am) on the subject of Scot’s football, anyone care to name the Scottish club that
    played twice in the FA cup, that has the third best Scottish cup winning record behind the two auld firm clubs.
    And to this day is still an amateur side ?
    They also play in a fifty thousand seat stadium.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Queen’s Park of Glasgow.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Ashley had his mouthpieces, Why not Sheerah ?
    Though in general, to hire someone in that role (pundit) because of their footballing history, is pretty shortsighted.
    One would think it was about the ability to understand exactly what is going on during the game, and to break it down during the post game interview.
    Mostly a job given to ex-players, some who are awful, but there are a number of Color commentators, who do an excellent job.
    But those panels, with former big name players are for the most part, not worth watching, using the same repetitious rubbish they come out with on a weekly basis.

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    avatar chuck says:

    WORKY

    Yep! not a difficult answer, but the two FA cup finals combined with an amateur status, may have had some scratching their heads.
    Curious obvious to someone like yourself, the amateur status gave it away, but were you aware of the fact they had played in two FA cup finals.
    They are also the oldest established football club in Scotland, pretty impressive when you think about it.

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    avatar chuck says:

    WORKY

    Laudrup a diva ? Hmmmm !

    More like a prima donna I think, certainly one that was handed a decent well drilled side that should have suited him well.

    Finishing in a respectful ninth place league finish, that year.

    I don’t know where it all went pear-shaped, but he had a good foundation to begin with, then his rash statement in regard to being able to cope with a small squad, rebounded on him.

    Being involved in those no-where cup’s is a tough way to go, making big demand’s on the squad.

    As Pardeux found out on our adventure into the European crap cup tournament, with lot’s of games, combined with a lot of travel, but the real reason Ashley has instructed Pardeux to avoid any cup games, is due to the lack of money involved.

    Personally I believe it was a mistake to not increase the squad size, as injuries happen, but then every side incurr’s injuries, so not a legitimate excuse.

    Hopefully he can rebound and find another club, as we can use more Laudrup’s than Pardeux’s in the game.

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    avatar chuck says:

    In the big money spending race, should Man Citeh then have finished top each season?

    They, I have to add had enough big money managers to match their big money players and yet failed to meet
    the goals they set.

    So what does that say, about spending money?

    I think perhaps they both have a major impact (spending on players and Managers) on the other hand a bit of consideration from owners can go a long way, giving both adequate time to form a good stable side.

    Unlike Citeh where each manager attempts to impose a playing style and an exchange of players, causing a certain amount of instability.

    Anyhow is that not the reason for introducing the fair play legislature, to avoid wealthy clubs from buying trophies?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 5, 2014 at 7:06 pm

    “Curious obvious to someone like yourself, the amateur status gave it away, but were you aware of the fact they had played in two FA cup finals.”

    I just knew that there was another big Glasgow team called Queens Park which was like Rangers or Celtic but hardly hardly heard of and in the lowere leagues of now. Also, they I believe that they still play at the national stadium, Hampden Park.

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    avatar GS says:

    I think Hew Johnson or whatever his name is at Swansea was intimidated by Laudrup’s perfectly coiffed hair.

    On the subject of gelling, it usually takes a while for a team to come together no matter how much money is spent. City had two sets of rich owners but they also had Mark Hughes.

    I still can’t figure out why Laudrup was fired and I see all the speculation about Hughton at Norwich. They are about exactly where they should be. The Mackems are the team that are underperforming in the league.

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    avatar GS says:

    If it OK with the unofficial blog head boy (that’s you Chuckles) I will say something more about Pardew. I just listened to The Guardian podcast and they had 3 Mackems on including Kevin Kilbane. They had a bit of a laugh but none thought Pards should be sacked. It seems only OUR former players and managers take that view.

    Plus a few of the ex-Liverpool, but there are so many of them on TV and in the papers it is hard to keep track.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Outta here some European qualifiers being shown, late lunch n’ a few Amstels. later.

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    avatar GS says:

    Tunyc: I am surprised you haven’t brought up American sports with regard to Pardew’s antics. The baseball bench clearing brawls, the managers nose to nose confrontations and of course ice hockey? Aren’t they also role models for the children? It is so funny to me that Pardew has been hung up by his balls for a head push when that stuff goes on and nobody says a word (and don’t mention rugby).

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    They also play in Black ‘n’ White do Queen’s Park!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 5, 2014 at 8:41 pm

    “American sports”

    GS, some would call them that and some would beg to differ. :-) I don’t know about now but a long while back when I was over there, the American coaches usually seemed to be old silver haired Polish / German style guys, a bit like grumpy Scotsmen over here?

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    avatar chuck says:

    Old grumpy Polish/ German style guys eh !

    I have no idea what that means, but you have probably picked up their names, but coaches come from all nationalities and races.

    Well yes ! like all coaches, they try to work the refs,
    but within the boundary’s allowed, and due to heavy fines and possibly incurring the wrath of the coach, most players accept the refs decisions, without debate.

    It’s also a cultural thing and you should watch a basketball game to see how that works, it’s from years of acceptance from grade school to the pro’s.
    American athletes are quite disciplined in comparison with their European counterparts.

    I have seen games (football), mostly involving continental sides, who swarm around the Ref, to dispute calls.

    Instead of issuing only red and yellow cards, why not add an automatic fine for dissention, it may deter some of the nonsense we often see.

    And when you consider the heavy contact between Us footballer’s (US football) that and hockey, where fighting is actually allowed, or for that matter Basketball, with all those big muscular guys coming to-gether in the paint, to keep control, one has to have disciplined players who will co-operate.

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    avatar GS says:

    It is a difficult one there Chucky: didn’t Metta World Peace aka Ron Artest go into the stands and smack somebody?

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky @304: I didn’t even watch the stupor bowl because it it is half an our of throw and catch/drop and 3 hours of ads.

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    avatar GS says:

    hour. These new computers have crappy keyboards compared to the old dells, etc.

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    avatar chuck says:

    That old nonsense , “but what kind of effect will it have on the kids”, is just that, nonsense.
    If it were otherwise, why is Canada a fairly peaceful country.

    I have never seen Canadians getting into mass brawls, certainly not like English football hooliganism, which is still alive and well.

    Plus there is no segregation of fans anywhere and ask any North American what he thinks of fan segregation, his reply will be a puzzled look and the question, why would anyone do that.

    As for Pardeux, I have no idea why you continue to defend him, the bloke’s a nutter in both senses, though Souness begged the question, he was never a player known for mixing things up with the opposition, how come he’s getting involved now.

    Fire his ass, if it’s for head-butting or the fact he’s useless as a manager, doesn’t matter to me.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Ron Artest always had head problems, I remember his career in the eighties when he played for St. John’s in The Big East.

    He had problems then and I remember Lou Carnesecca the coach, rolling his eyes and shaking his head at some of
    his antics.

    But you always come up with the exception to the rule, surprised you didn’t bring up the Hoosiers Bobby Knight, another jiboney, who as a coach was great, but he just couldn’t control his temper and suffered for it.

    On the other hand Roy Keane was an explosive type who also had trouble with his temper, but ask, would you have him in your side and all twenty sides in the EPL would agree to the affirmative.

    So where does one draw the line.

    Obey the rules of the game and if the punishments don’t prevent some from doing so, then fine them until they get the message.

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    avatar chuck says:

    As for bench clearing brawls, how often does it happen ?

    It usually takes place when a team is so far behind, that it injects a bit of veriety into the evenings entertainment.

    The Baltimore Oriols, Earl Weaver was my favorite manager, who’s favorite pose was to turn his hat bill behind his head, in an attemprt to get into the Ump’s face then kick gravel from the infield onto the refs shoes, his way of making a point and maybe get hrown out of the game.

    Yes folks when you hear about, PL players complaining about more than one game a week, look at all three US sports, Hockey and Basketball, over eighty games per season, “the boys of summer” Baseball, over one hundred and sixty games, go figure!

    Those are real pro’s!

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    avatar chuck says:

    Cabaye looked good playing for France to-day, as they beat a rather poor Dutch side.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 6, 2014 at 12:52 am

    “Old grumpy Polish/ German style guys eh !”

    I really should have said Italians as well.

    chuck says:
    March 6, 2014 at 1:32 am

    “Lou Carnesecca”

    Now thst’s a real Yank coach name. it means something like ‘Lou Meat Hacker’ or ‘Lou Meat Hacking’ in English.

    ‘Malky’ Mackay sounds like a Scottish psycho over here as ‘Malky,’ as well as being ‘Malcolm’ is also Glaswegian for ‘head butt.’ Would have been perfect for Pardew in the light of recent events.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    “Yes folks when you hear about, PL players complaining about more than one game a week, look at all three US sports, Hockey and Basketball, over eighty games per season, “the boys of summer” Baseball, over one hundred and sixty games, go figure!”

    Baseball is a bit more like short form Cricket though. They can play that five days non stop in the long form of the game, but there are 20 over games at the other extreme which are just like baseball games, ie a few hours in the evening. I know I’m not the greatest baseball expert but I would compare baseball players more with 20/20 cricketers than footballers.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Actually, It wasn’t a headbutt, it was more like that stag style rutting that primitive people of extremely low intelligence do.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 5, 2014 at 8:07 pm

    “I think Hew Johnson or whatever his name is at Swansea was intimidated by Laudrup’s perfectly coiffed hair.”

    Huw Jenkins. It is very hard to remember anything about him. he said that he sacked Laudrup because he was slowly eroding the principles of the club, whatever that meant. They were 12th and in the Europa League when Laudrup was sacked, now they are 14th and out the Europa League.

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    avatar GS says:

    Chuck: since you are actually talking to me… They compared Pardew to Woody Hayes the other day, I think it was on NBC.

    I think the story was that he slapped a college player and was basically kicked out of the game? You or tunyc would know better. The witch hunt of Pardew even made it over here !

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    avatar GS says:

    Chuck says @309:

    “I have never seen Canadians getting into mass brawls, certainly not like English football hooliganism, which is still alive and well”

    Except on the hockey ice?

    Of course, there is always the odd murder of basketball or American Football players to keep the fans amused so they don’t have to go after recreational violence.

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    avatar GS says:

    The other thing The Guardian podcast said was that 7,000 Mackem fans converged on Covent Garden after the game and left beer cans in the gutter. I hope they beat up some of the f@cking mimes though, that would be the first time I would tip my hat to a Mackem.

  320. 320
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS, Trajan was one one of the greatest and most renowned of all the Roman Emperors. He achivements were immense. Perhaps the greatest thing he ever did was to banish all mime artists though. Why can’t they do that now?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 6, 2014 at 1:13 am

    “I have never seen Canadians getting into mass brawls, certainly not like English football hooliganism, which is still alive and well.”

    What is “the English football hooliganism” you bigoted c*nt? Football hooliganism happens all over the world.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Foghorn Leghorn says:
    March 6, 2014 at 1:13 am

    “…certainly not like English football hooliganism, which is still alive and well.”

    Rubbish, as usual. There are maybe a couple of isolated incidents a year, blown out of proportion by the tabloids.

    Anyway, put your own house in order seppo before you start blustering about the situation anywhere else.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/more-fan-violence-dots-week-14?urn=nfl,wp13907

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/lopresti/2011-08-22-stadium-violence-shooting-raiders-49ers-game_n.htm

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-wilkey/dodgers-fan-killed-san-francisco_b_4005382.html

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2005/dec/07/ussport.football

    http://www.good.is/posts/afraid-to-cheer-fan-violence-in-american-sports

    AND – one of the better things about living over here (apart from not having to listen to the likes of you every day) is not getting shot for wearing the right brand of training shoes, or for wearing a blue bandana instead of a red one.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    GS says:
    March 6, 2014 at 1:08 am

    “Worky @304: I didn’t even watch the stupor bowl…”

    I saw it advertised over here on one of the satellite channels,GS.

    Is it an eating contest?

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Worky

    I’ve got another comment in purgatory. Can you dig it out (or sh|tcan it if you must)?

    I don’t know why it’s stuck. Might gave been the words “sh0t” or “sepp0″ :)

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, You must be talking about Newcastle’s Board, As they are a bunch of Mime Artists!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    March 6, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    “Worky

    “I’ve got another comment in purgatory.”

    Aye, I can see why with that comment. When comments have batteries of links over a certain ampunt like that, computer says no because it thinks it’s links to porn sites or counterfeit sites or whatever.

  328. 328
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    That particular word ends in “Tory”, Now that has got to be more than a coincidence lol

  329. 329
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Really just a coincidence, Joe.

    Those fukkas go straight to hell ;-)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    March 6, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    “Worky, You must be talking about Newcastle’s Board, As they are a bunch of Mime Artists!”

    Well if they’re the mime artists, I would put that hater of mime artists, Trajan in charge of Newcastle forthwith. Not only would he banish them, he could also hammer any team in Europe, even the Germans (tunyc might get that one).

  331. 331
    avatar workyticket says:

    Tories were Cavaliers who were loyal to the king in the Civil war. The name however comes from an Irish word for robbers.

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    avatar chuckhelsea says:

    Barf doon

    I guess my stating that football hooliganism is alive and well, along with racism, sent you on a long Google search for similar occurrences in US sports.

    Something you falsely accuse me over.

    Hey we are a continent not a small Island off the Atlantic coast of Europe, with more professional sports than you could imagine, therefor the likelihood of unpleasant happenings increase, directly with size.

    However we or any country I know in either North or South America, deem it necessary to segregate their stadiums, only the Brit’s and those European countries
    where they exported their violence too, feel they have to segregate the clubs fans.

    Even in Spain, there are non segregated stadiums.

    What does that tell you about the UK and violence?

    And if this is untrue, how come Sunderland supporters, have to be escorted to and from St. James’ Park.

    And what are we doing with anti racist organizations in football if it doesn’t exist.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    upchuck says:
    March 6, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    “Hey we are a continent not a small Island off the Atlantic coast of Europe, with more professional sports than you could imagine, therefor the likelihood of unpleasant happenings increase, directly with size.”

    :lol: Well, at least that’s a slight movement, Major.

    Now, why don’t you focus your attentions on that great big continent of yours instead of obsessing with we do on this ‘little island’?

    Don’t you have any mates? Won’t any of your family speak to you? What’s so sh|t in your life that you have to troll nufcblog.org?

  334. 334
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Speaking of racism in sport: How are those Washington Redskins doing this year? (rhetorical – no need to answer as I don’t give a fukk).

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    avatar chuckhelsea says:

    Chuck

    Worky, close but not definitive, talking about the term Tory, which has been used and abused over time.

    The base word Toir (to persue) toraidhe (pursuer) toraigheachd (persuit).

    Which resulted in the general term tory or tories, guerrilla bands which were outlawed following the end of the Killkenny Confederation, and Cromwells subsequent invasion.

    Also applied to British sympathisers during the American revolution.

    The other’s I don’t have to explain, as they are presently the party in power, in the UK.

  336. 336
    avatar chuckhelsea says:

    Nah! just every so often ! I just like to raise your blood pressure and send you googling.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    If anyone sends your blood pressure any higher, Major, you’ll have your old pal John Lennon for company again :-)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Here we go. Another transatlntic custard pie fight.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Well, you’re not exactly placing yourself above it all are your, worky?

    workyticket says:
    March 6, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    “What is “the English football hooliganism” you bigoted c*nt? Football hooliganism happens all over the world.”

  340. 340
    avatar chuck says:

    WORKY @314

    Again you show your ignorance, baseball is nothing like cricket, the only similarities are a bat and ball are used.

    And how many games of cricket are played anywhere, that come close to matching one hundred and sixty games plus ?

    Of course on the other hand pro football has a limited season and if played more, would result in half of the NFL in hospital.

    There is a campaign in place concerning the number of concussions involved in the game and could be a legal time bomb, regarding both concussion and other common injuries.

    As for Basketball, running up and down that court for forty eight minutes eighty times a year is no easy task.
    But they are well paid and willing to put out the effort, a case of self disciplined professional athletes, with none of the academy award dives and pretense of being injured, like we see in association football every game.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    crank says:
    March 6, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    “Again you show your ignorance, baseball is nothing like cricket, the only similarities are a bat and ball are used.”

    You’re right, clunk. It’s nothing like cricket. It’s fukkin’ rounders.

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    avatar chuck says:

    WORKY

    sez football hooliganism happens all over the world!

    Well perhaps in your small world but not our world in general, as I explained to you, it only occurs in Europe.
    Exported there by the Englisht fans who ran amuck there for decades, more interested in mayhem than watching any game.
    C’mon here English football hooligans, is the most notorious of labels a common term for Engerland fans, since the sixties.
    We or our northern and southern neighbors, don’t have segregated stadiums, there being no need for them.
    Plus the Irish who have no segregated grounds, were astonished when those wonderful England fans, proceeded to create a scene of violence at the old Landsdowne Rd. ground, which had to be cancelled, due to a lack of Police presence.
    No one expecting the scenes of violence (pre- planned)
    that resulted, more a violen invasion by thugs, than a group of national team supporters.
    And that’s only one of many incidents that have oc

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    avatar chuck says:

    …Occurred over the last few decades.
    Yes you have a lot to answer for and certainly are not welcome in many stadiums.
    I would suggest you start acting like human beings instead of a marauding bunch of thugs in the future.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    chump says:
    March 6, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    “I would suggest you start acting like human beings instead of a marauding bunch of thugs in the future.”

    You too, seppo.

    Click on any of those links I posted earlier. Others will.

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    avatar chuck says:

    That’s all you got, You too!

    What didn’t have enough upstairs to reply, and not enough time to google something.
    Moron !

  347. 347
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Try reading your last post back, chump!

    A shame you can’t edit once you’ve posted, eh? :lol:

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    “You rooted for this team all season; you deserve this. So you fight with a cop, you set a few couches on fire, you tip over a police car, you choke down a mouthful of pepper spray, and, for good measure, you fire a gun into a crowd.

    Wait . . . what?”

    http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/Kentucky-Wildcats-Lexington-riots-show-somethings-wrong-with-how-we-celebrate-wins-040312

    Wow. Talk about Ultras!

  349. 349
    avatar chuck says:

    Oh the googler found something, cant you just state whatever you actually think, or do you rely entirely on isolated google stories.

    As I noticed you have nothing to say in defense of the present segregation of fans, or England’s hooligan groups.

    Plus one can sense it the hatred spouted here to-wards fans of other teams, the worst being directed at your nearby neighbors and relatives, stupid is what stupid does and the idiot’s who enjoy violence, are just that, idiots.

    Hell I remember a time when you payed your half a crown at whatever turnstile you wanted and everyone mixed in to-gether, good craic and no thought of violence.
    Where did it all go wrong?

  350. 350
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    chuck says:
    March 6, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    “Oh the googler found something, cant you just state whatever you actually think, or do you rely entirely on isolated google stories.”

    ISOLATED google stories? There’s THOUSANDS of them, you dolt! Take a look!

    “Plus one can sense it the hatred spouted here to-wards fans of other teams”

    And you’ll find loads more tales of hatred between fans of Baseball teams, Hand Egg teams etc…take a look!

    “Hell I remember a time when you payed your half a crown blah…bluster”

    Like hell you do. You’re a fraud. You’ve never been to a NUFC game (or any other game in the UK) in your life. Your ‘memories’ come from google.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    See? This hate-free seppoland utopia just doesn’t exist, Major. There’s loads more, of course.

    “James said a rivalry with the Nets won’t be as intense as the Celtics becasue Nets fans don’t have ‘hatred’ of opponent like Boston fans.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/nets-insider-lebron-disses-net-fans-article-1.1499749

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Now this one’s particularly interesting. Especialy the bit about “Pedro attacked an old man”. Makes Pardew seem almost sane :)

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-york-yankee-fans-hate-boston-red-sox-174400631–mlb.html

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    avatar chuck says:

    Wow! sorry Barth, I really didn’t intend to wind you up so tight, take a valume and chill my man !

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    A valume, seppo? :lol:

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    avatar GS says:

    I couldn’t be bothered to read that any of that sh$t grandpa! I gave up after the first sentence.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 6, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    “Hell I remember a time when you payed your half a crown at whatever turnstile you wanted and everyone mixed in to-gether, good craic and no thought of violence.
    Where did it all go wrong?”

    Chuckles, I couldn’t imagine anyone wanting to mix with you in any era. It’s ironic you should speak about people getting along with each other because you just spread dischord and hatred whenever you’re around.

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    avatar GS says:

    Chuck @349:

    “stupid is what stupid does”

    Quoting Forrest Gump now Chucky?

    Are you going to tell us that Brendan is like a box of chocolates next?

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    avatar GS says:

    What Chuck doesn’t understand is NUFC – you cant escape it. Outsiders like him can criticize but they will never understand. Being in the old Leazes End when you are 10 gets you there for life.

    My primary school teacher and his wife would drop me off at the match when I was 10 and pick me up at the gates afterwards. They were in the East Stand and I wanted to be in the Leazes, being pissed on. They are my memories. NOT FIGHTING, or hooliganism.

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    avatar GS says:

    And another thing… When I was 10 and in the Leazes End they all sang that Leighton James is a puff. I wasn’t even sure what a puff was in my naïve years, but the crowd said he was so I was sure he was one.

    These are my memories. Having fun and messing around and having a really bad hot dog after the match.

    Chuck, why do you have to bring everybody down?

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    avatar GS says:

    Oh Man, I just had a flashback to the ketchup they put on them hotdogs – part petrol and part food dye.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    GS says:
    March 7, 2014 at 11:11 am

    “What Chuck doesn’t understand is NUFC – you cant escape it. Outsiders like him can criticize but they will never understand. Being in the old Leazes End when you are 10 gets you there for life.”

    Stot on, GS. What clunk calls ‘segregation’ is a TRADITION in football and it happens all over the world. We commune together as supporters in our own sections of the ground. It’s how we’ve always wanted it, and we might not be able to stand up anymore, but at least they’ve left us our traditional ‘ends’. Long may that continue.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Chuck, Some of the World’s worst Football violence occurs in South America.
    The rivalry between Boca Juniors and River Plate regularly ends in shootings, Stabbings and in some cases kidnapping and torture.

    In 1970 during World Cup qualifying a match between Honduras and El Salvador ended in civil war after the two legs.
    That is in your neck of the woods if i’m not mistaken lol.
    I’m not having a go at you, But violence in Football is a world problem.

    Boca Juniors hooligan element “La Doce” have regularly been used by Political Parties and Military Junta’s over the years in Argentina.
    They are seen as an important part of the community and are treated like stars.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Chuck, Your right there!, It’s one one our biggest export successes, Is Football Hooliganism.
    I think Britain and the US don’t realise how much we influence people across the World, And we have been negligent and irresponsible with it over the years.

    I mean where else could a country inflict for Scousers upon the World, And get away with it?

    Liverpool and Everton fans used to stand side by side, And there was no segregation then.
    I think even Newcastle and Sunderland fans used to stand together at one time.
    In fact they both used to support each other, And who ever was the home team that week, That would be the game you would go to.
    Because not many could afford away matches then.
    This is what i was told by my great uncle who used to watch both Newcastle and Sunderland.

    It was only when the “Teddy Boy” culture started that Hooliganism came to the fore at the back end of the 50′s and early 60′s.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Sorry typo!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    March 7, 2014 at 1:21 pm

    “Chuck, Your right there!, It’s one one our biggest export successes, Is Football Hooliganism.”

    Joe, if we exported football hooliganism, it was only because we exported football itself. It has existed for a long time all over and can be worse than it ever was in the UK.

    The idea it was almost uniquely an English phenomemon rests alot in a wave of propaganda from UEFA and Margaret Thatcher back in the 80s and 90s, who both had their own reasons for promoting the stereotype. It was another one of those ‘big lies’ which just keep getting repeated

    A criminally negligent UEFA wanted to cover up the fact they held a European cup final in a stadium which was on the verge of collapse. Thay were also sick of English teams like Liverpool, Nottingham Forest and Aston Villa winning it every season too. Margaret Thatcher who had her own political agenda in demonising the poor too, the same sort of thing that is happening now with the current Conservatives. It’s what they do.

    Do you remeber how many were persuaded by the media into thinking that dole scrounging, Labour voting Liverpool fans, the enemy within really pissed on their dead fellow fans, but only after they’d nicked their wallets of course?

    The English League is one of the very best in the world for hooliganism. If you go elsewhere, you can even have lots of racism, antisemitism, far right nationalism, guns, knives, organised crime and lots of other nasty things thrown in too.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 7, 2014 at 11:11 am

    “Being in the old Leazes End when you are 10 gets you there for life.”

    I was about ten. The club kept changing, football kept changing and the club had it’s ups and downs but it was still Newcastle United. Now however there’s something different. I don’t feel like I’m at SJP anymore, I feel like I’m in a place which has been occupied.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, In my post before that one i alluded to Hooliganism being worse in places like South & Central America where it has been used in Political circles and Civil Wars.

    In Europe though rightly or wrongly, We are seen as the standard bearers of Hooliganism.
    Cass Pennant said he hadn’t realised how much we had influenced people until he he was approached by Ukrainian, Russian, And Polish hooligans who knew who he was.
    They were saying to him that their goal was to match then exceed the exploits of British hooligans, And we were the benchmark for them.

    We have been demonized by people like Sepp Blatter and Michel Platini, Who hates the English since “The Heysel Stadium Disaster” and Maggie Thatcher’s tarring everyone with the same brush.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    March 7, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    “In Europe though rightly or wrongly, We are seen as the standard bearers of Hooliganism.”

    I know, Joe, that’s why I explained the reasons why it came to be so focused on England. It got UEFA off the hook for causing death by holding a European Cup Final in a death trap. It also helped to get English out the European Cup because they were winning too much. Finally, it gave Thatcher the chance to demonise Labour voting northern working class football fans as less than human. It was a perfect storm.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    joe hawkins says:
    March 7, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    “In Europe though rightly or wrongly, We are seen as the standard bearers of Hooliganism.”

    That’s rubbish. And if Cass Pennant is a football hooligan, I wouldn’t take his word for anything if I were you.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    workyticket says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    “It was a perfect storm.”

    It was also thirty years ago, worky. Credit everyone in the English game for a lot of progress made since then.

    If only we could get rid of the middle-class wankers that have come to the game over that period. Find a way to send ‘em back to Rugby Union where they belong ;-)

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    I’ve got another comment in the sinbin, worky.

    I’m guessing it was the word ‘w@nkers’ :)

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    DarthBroon says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    March 7, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    workyticket says:
    March 7, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    “It was a perfect storm.”

    It was also thirty years ago, worky. Credit everyone in the English game for a lot of progress made since then.

    If only we could get rid of the middle-class w@nkers that have come to the game over that period. Find a way to send ‘em back to Rugby Union where they belong ;-)

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Did it meself.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    By “middle-class w@nkers” I mean the posh studenty types that call Greenie up on 606 every Saturday evening.

    They generally support one of the North London teams (or Chelsea), and the calls sound like they’re probably intended as some part of their media studies portfolio.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    It is rather unusual for a black gadgie to be a top West Ham ICF. Back in the 70s / 80s it was a bit like Richard Pryor being appointed as the Grand Poobah of the KKK.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Darthbroon, Cass Pennant might be a hooligan but he wasn’t lying!
    He was attending a game abroad when he was approached by a bunch of Burberry and Stone Island clad wearing Eastern European Firms.
    They knew who he was from the 1985 documentary “Hooligan” which went out on I.T.V.
    These hooligan kids are inspired by the I.C.F and other notable hooligan firms, And we are seen as the model for some f**ked up reason!

    Whether we like it or not, We do influence people, Look at the Subculture of “Skin Head” for instance, It started here in 1969 and today is in nearly every country in the world.
    It’s another movement that has suffered at the hands of the media who tried to paint it as something else.
    Although in reality it is the biggest multi-cultural Subculture in the World.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    joe hawkins says:
    March 7, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    “Darthbroon, Cass Pennant might be a hooligan but he wasn’t lying!”

    How do you know he wasn’t lying, Joe? Are these people affiliated with Opus Dei or something? Is it against their religion to tell porkies?

    “They knew who he was from the 1985 documentary “Hooligan” which went out on I.T.V.”

    Again: thirty years ago.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Just reading about Cass Pennant “Author and Hooliologist”!

    http://www.casspennant.com/

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    avatar chuck says:

    Joe Hawkins

    Thank you Joe for being honest in regard to football hooliganism and recognizing the fact it was the English fans who created that disgustingly stupid phenomena.

    Though there are those on this blog, who are obviously in denial and certain others who attempt to argue it’s someone else’s fault and always existed, which is untrue of course, it being the most successful English export ever.

    Worky it seems jumps to the defense of anything negative said about England and the English, it’s like pushing a button and immediately raise a straw man argument, using the US as a target, which has nothing to do with the original discussion.

    His angry buddy, immediately begins googling furiously to come up with the same straw man articles, again, like pushing a button.

    And both get very angry and insulting, which of course makes me the bad guy.

    The vitriol directed to-wards your friends and neighbors and the Scousers only appears to get worse, why ?

    There are those I’m sure who contribute to the blog, who remember the unsegregated crowds at both Roker Park and St. James.

    Who stood shoulder to shoulder in both stadiums and had nothing but a lot of mostly humorous banter, with no thought of violence.
    The way it should be!

    So again “thanks Joe” for telling it like it is and not being in denial like some on this blog and nice to see a bit of honesty, instead of being insulted for bringing to light the fact that things changed over the years on the terraces/seats and not for the better.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 302: my take’s a little different but I generally can’t get down with the “my god, think of the children!!!!” crowd. The cowardice and falseness of these incidents in football(which also characterizes baseball brawls-slap fights between grown men that follow one guy throwing a 1/3lb ball at another, defenseless guy’s head at 90-95mph) are worse than the violence of what I see in hockey. Hockey (bench-clearers have been banned in the NHL for a couple decades and coaches rarely confront each other due to the heavy glass between them) is violent, but its violence is controlled and the game is honest. Hockey players do worse than that “headbutt” to each other in the corners and in front of the net every game and are fine with each other afterward because they know what real violence is and they don’t fake how bad contact is because don’t expect to gain advantage through play-acting. Not bad values in my book but then what kids take away from things is all about guidance, not just exposure. If my son wants to see pro athletes as models for himself, fine-but I will teach him that they are making huge sums of money for taking part in sport and try to remind him of how that leads them to behavior that’s not at all acceptable.

    On another point that chuck raises-the ridiculous surrounding the ref to berate him about decisions is not at all accepted over here, at least in the hockey, baseball and football I watch. I’d love to see a ref with the balls to caution every single player who surrounds him from a Chelsea or a Man U. You get the respect you demand-just as rugby refs.

    By the way, comrades: nationalism is bunkum. Our cultures, sports included, aren’t that different.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    tunyc says:
    March 7, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    “By the way, comrades: nationalism is bunkum. Our cultures, sports included, aren’t that different.”

    I think there’s one person in particular you need to convince of that, tunyc: Someone who seems intent on living down to every bigoted, blustering ‘ugly American’ stereotype going.

    You’ve mentioned your doubts in the past, that he might not be American at all and I’m beginning to have my own doubts. No one can be that stupidly adherent to a disgusting stereotype.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    clunk says:
    March 7, 2014 at 6:02 pm

    “Thank you Joe for being honest in regard to football hooliganism and recognizing the fact it was the English fans who created that disgustingly stupid phenomena.”

    Yeah. Thanks, Joe.

    You perpetuate an outdated stereotype and that daft old fraud is enabled, ready to carry on with his trolling.

    Nice work.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Well, they are coming out of the woodwork.

    You are right of course tunyc, that comparing the behavior in professional sports throughout the world
    reflects the culture’s of the country’s involved.

    In the US for instance, there is seldom any negative player reaction to ref’s calls.

    Which I stated earlier is mainly due to the discipline of coaches and refs from grade school to the pro’s.

    The coaches being more likely to work the refs,it’s part of a pattern (acceptable to a limit) and no manager wants or allows his players to become involved, with diputed calls.

    Whereas in some of the latin countries, it may be acceptable to surround the ref to argue disputed calls.

    And in to-days EPL, there are many nationalities involved , both managers and players, resulting in a definite change of how the game is played.

    Each bringing their particular cultures.

    By that I mean, more diving, players faking injuries, disputing calls, well those and other unacceptable
    behavior.

    And on the subject of hooliganism.

    Darth Broon just made my point in his google piece at
    378#, which describes the hooligans of the late seventies and eighty’s.

    Watch it! you can only reach the conclusion, these were not the brightes nor the best.

    Which was believe it or not, had more to do with fashion and the North/South divide than actual football.

    Plus I also believe that discontinuing National Service
    may have had a lot to do with it, whatever your take is in regards to conscription.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    chump says:
    March 7, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    “Darth Broon just made my point in his google piece at
    378#, which describes the hooligans of the late seventies and eighty’s.”

    Pal Joey mentioned that particular d|ck, Major. Not me.

    “Which was believe it or not….blah”

    Who the f**k is supposed to care about your take on the North/South divide, or National Service? Post facts – your unsubstantiated thoughts(!) are worthless.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    March 7, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    “By the way, comrades: nationalism is bunkum. Our cultures, sports included, aren’t that different.”

    Of course, I totally agree with you about nationalism being bunkum, but small cultural differences can make a huge difference. Because of this and despite the downsides, I have loved our natural British truculence and disrespect for authority in the past, though I fear it is disappearing now, alas. I thank it for saving us from awful things like the dreadful Nationalism you mention with European Fascism, and on the other side, Bolshevism. Quite a few other things as well.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Puhleez! Darth calm down, if you don’t like what I write here, there’s a simple answer, just ignore it.

    If you care to read the masthead of this blog, it welcome’s a variety of opinions whether in regard to football or other matters and of late it has generally involved other matters.

    But your input has consisted of only vitriolic statements in regard to myself.

    Lighten up dude, you are making a fool of yourself.

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    avatar GS says:

    Chucki says @383:

    “In the US for instance, there is seldom any negative player reaction to ref’s calls.

    Which I stated earlier is mainly due to the discipline of coaches and refs from grade school to the pro’s.”

    The same discipline that has them taking steroids from age 11? Where were the coaches then?

    It is almost like you left your brain at home when you hit 70.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    chuff says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:19 pm

    “Puhleez! Darth calm down, if you don’t like what I write here, there’s a simple answer, just ignore it.”

    No. But I might take a valume[sic] later :lol: Why don’t you just ignore me? Seriously. Stop taking the hook.

    “Lighten up dude, you are making a fool of yourself.”

    Never seems to bother you, Major.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    It is true that some top hooligans can actually be very intelligent. I used to know some who were into chinese philosophy, Tai Chi Chuan and swordsmanship (which was alot of the reason why they were super hard). Down here I’ve known very intelligent people who have had really good careers who used to be Chelsea headhunters or Millwall or whatever. Life is funny.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    workyticket says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    “I thank it for saving us from awful things like the dreadful Nationalism you mention with European Fascism, and on the other side, Bolshevism. Quite a few other things as well.”

    Is this you making your UKIP membership public, worky? :)

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    avatar chuck says:

    Not you again, did you not get the message that I have no interest in anything you have to say.

    You remind me of some attack dog (a Chihuahua) nipping at someone’s heels, so get lost drunk.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    workyticket says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    “It is true that some top hooligans can actually be very intelligent.”

    I know several people (IT managers and software salesmen for the most part) who regularly quote Sun Tzu and claim to have been footer hoolies at some other period in their lives.

    They’re a bunch of c.unts. Looks like you’ve been lucky.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    chunk says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    “Not you again…blah”

    Take one of those ‘valumes’. I’ve heard they’re great :lol:

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    avatar GS says:

    Grandpa Simpson: I assume you are talking to me @391: you should read what you write first before you accuse anybody of anything.

    Insults

    Forgetfulness

    Nastiness

    This is what you do on this blog and then accuse other people of having a go at you. You are a sad old man.

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    avatar chuck says:

    WORKY

    Is that a defense of hooliganism, that some may have been fairly bright and others were into the martial arts?

    You have stated you barely remember the Geordie comedian of the seventy’s who was dead tough, smoked ten tabs at a time, well you know the deal.

    A parody of Geordies at that time, which no one took seriously, but apparently being hard is actually still considered something to be proud of, no!

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    avatar chuck says:

    That’s it folks, you are becoming boring, gotta go!

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    stop don’t don’t

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:41 pm

    “WORKY

    “Is that a defense of hooliganism, that some may have been fairly bright and others were into the martial arts?”

    I just used to know alot of different people from the various adventures I’ve been involved in my former lives. I’m not judgemental, I like to learn stuff from different perspectives.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:47 pm

    “stop don’t don’t”

    I actually think you mean that, Darth. :lol:

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    avatar GS says:

    @396: if there was ever a pot that called a kettle black…

    FFS: Kenya politics, fishing, National Service, Brendan Rodgers, music from the 50′s,

    Oh well, as I said, you cant even remember what you said yesterday so I am wasting my time saying anything to you.

    Oh, and Chuck. I am not drunk or high. I just don’t like you.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    GS says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:52 pm

    “FFS: Kenya politics, fishing, National Service, Brendan Rodgers, music from the 50′s”

    Don’t forget Fortnum & Masons, GS

    He learned the high tea menu off by heart for that one :)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS, Darth, I’ve already said this but just taking deep breaths and thinking of him as Abe Simpson helps. ;-)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Or ‘Waldorf’ from the Muppet Show.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    workyticket says:
    March 7, 2014 at 7:50 pm

    “I actually think you mean that, Darth.”

    No, worky. Really. :)

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    avatar GS says:

    Back to football. Why didn’t we organize a game for this weekend? We always get knocked out of the FA cup early. I think it is Pardew’s game plan so why not use it to our advantage?

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Well, there’s definitely no game of any kind, GS. And no continental jolly boys outing, which often happens on these fallow weekends. There isn’t much going on at all if newsnow is anything to go by.

    Another boring week before we get back into things. No Sunderland game either – always nice to watch them stuff up, no matter what anyone else says;-)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    The news is still churning out re-regurgitated drivel along the lines of “Pardew: Monster or psychopath?” or “Pardew: he’s a bad lad, but he’s not a monster.”

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    avatar GS says:

    How man Darth. I never say anything bad to anybody on here except Chucklebunny. He goes around ranting and being nasty to people and then complains when they say something back.

    He called me a liar once. Why the f@ck would I want to lie about anything on a NUFC blog?

    I don’t even despise the guy. He gets conversations going, even if it is about F&Ms. And at least he is not Troy or Batty.

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    avatar GS says:

    Here Worky, an essay question for the OxBridge entrance exam:

    Wayne Rooney, he’s not shite but he goes missing in big games. Would England or Man U be better off without him?

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    GS says:
    March 7, 2014 at 9:42 pm

    “How man Darth. I never say anything bad to anybody on here except Chucklebunny.”

    Aye, I know that, GS. Same here (I hope most people would agree). The rest of us get on well enough, I’d say. We might not all always see eye to eye but it’s all fairly good natured. Except for him.

    “I don’t even despise the guy.”

    I do :)

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky @407: The funny thing about Pards now is he keeps mentioning how the NUFC job is so great but has aged him. He’s right, his skin does look like a crocodile now and even Cath the tea lady would have a hard time f@cking him.

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    avatar GS says:

    OK:

    I was listening to “The Bends” yesterday. It shocked me that it was from 20 years ago. Then I put on London Calling. 35 years ago?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 7, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    “Here Worky, an essay question for the OxBridge entrance exam:

    “Wayne Rooney, he’s not shite but he goes missing in big games. Would England or Man U be better off without him?”

    That’s a mega-leading question.

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    avatar GS says:

    @413: he has a good Agent who can parley a premiership class talent into world class money.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Well ad a nice night “dahn a pub” and I see you are still talking about me.
    FFS go to bed!
    Face it I’m responsible for more hits on this blog and introduce more subjects than your average common garden nufc fan.
    Though a few may not agree with my concencous

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    avatar chuck says:

    ….. consensus.
    After all where else would you direct your angry retorts in regard to not only football, but everyday occurrences and to history.

    Gives you a target to work on dunnit!

    Nah! i think in fact you may be a minority, that in fact some may not disagree with me in regard to certain circumstance’s.

    But just don’t want to get involved.

    Who the hell knows, not that i give a damn.

    Why do you think that someone who has contributed to this blog since it’s inception, hasn’t been banned if what i contribute is considered that of a troll?

    In spite of the pleas by the jerks, who themselves are incapable of introducing anything of interest, other than
    constant criticism and attempting a form of demonization.

    If its the majority of those presently interested in the blog, to hear the last of me, then let me know, I’m willing to call it a day, if in fact that turns out to be the case.

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    avatar chuck says:

    As for Jumping all over Joe Hawkins for his endorsement that not only football hooliganism, was sourced in England and exported to Europe.

    But should have included skinheads and their various Nazi/Fascist attitudes, if in fact many of them really understood what they were about, other than it involved violence, which in their dumb-as minds was justified.

    Nowt like ignorance and arrogance, to set off a riot.

    Yes Engerland has a lot to answer for, but hopefully things may change and once again everyone can not only enjoy themselves at games, without the threat of violence following the game, as it used to be and should still be.

    Ermmm! Joe this doesn’t indicate you and i have the same attitudes on things, wouldn’t want you to be a victim of those who’s main concerns are to demonize those who they may disagree with.

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    avatar GS says:

    Chuck: you have an attitude and now you are blaming others for having an attitude :0 You don’t like me, and I see that as a badge of honour.

    Piss and moan all you want, you baby. I am used to it now.

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    avatar GS says:

    I dont want you to leave the blog though Chuck. 10% of what you say makes sense.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 8, 2014 at 2:41 am

    “Face it I’m responsible for more hits on this blog”

    Chuck, I don’t want to disappoint you but the opposite is true and you’ve driven alot people away from this site. You’re the only person I’ve had regular e.mails about saying people think it’s a great blog blah blah but they can’t stand you… They would be on here if you weren’t on it blah blah.

    You’re not alone. There are too many loudmouth, bragging, offensive, misinformed Yanks who has lived alone for too long ruining blogs with your bellicose rot on things you f*ckall about “Give Scatland back to the Scattish” said another odious Chuck I was reading the other day. I don’t think he realised that most of them (70%) want to stay with the UK, and told him so in no uncertain terms. :-)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 8, 2014 at 5:20 am

    “I dont want you to leave the blog though Chuck.”

    FFS why do you keep saying things like that, GS? :roll:

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 8, 2014 at 3:10 am

    “Why do you think that someone who has contributed to this blog since it’s inception, hasn’t been banned if what i contribute is considered that of a troll?”

    Because I feel sorry for you, Chuck. Please don’t overestimate your own importance.

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    avatar GS says:

    I sort of don’t get that when you are in your 8th decade you need to have people on a NUFC blog give you fulfilment by saying they like you. Shallow is as shallow does as Forrest Gump would say?

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    avatar GS says:

    And Chuckles: before you ask why I am on here? Because I have a stupid obsession with NUFC that started when I was a kid. And I find that Worky, tunyc, Darth and others on here give me a different perspective that I wouldn’t get from just reading the British papers and watching the matches on US TV.

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky: talking about US “soccer” coverage. We have Robbie Mustoe, who has the sub-title “played over 200 games in the BPL” on the screen here. (they forget to say he played for Boro – the most forgettable team in football history)

    It is hell, like listening to an accountant or mid-level civil servant talk about football.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    crank says:
    March 8, 2014 at 3:10 am

    “If its the majority of those presently interested in the blog, to hear the last of me, then let me know, I’m willing to call it a day, if in fact that turns out to be the case.”

    And there’s your answer at @420. Or are you too dim to take even THAT in?

  427. 427
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    WBA 0 – 3 MNU. Well, that’s not gone our way. If West Brom had scraped a win, that would have seen us only two points behind Man U with the same number of games played. Would have opened up a gap above Blunderland in the dropzone as well.

    In any case, Pardews only daft ambition left for this season is getting away from him (finishing above Man U).

    I hope Palace can scrape something against Southampton. It’d be good to see Norwich do the biz against Stoke as well.

  428. 428
    avatar GS says:

    I forgot about that Darth, finishing above Man U? Have we ever finished above them in the last 30 years?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    March 8, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    “And there’s your answer at @420. Or are you too dim to take even THAT in?”

    I hate to admit this but Chuckles might have a point. I think we would all actually miss beating him up. However if he finds this out, he just goes too far to the point where he’s completely and utterly insufferable.

  430. 430
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    GS says:
    March 8, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    “I forgot about that Darth, finishing above Man U? Have we ever finished above them in the last 30 years?”

    No. :( Maybe it’s not such a daft ambition after all. If he thinks that somehow makes up for the second places to them in the mid nineties, though, he’s very much mistaken, I’d say.

  431. 431
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    workyticket says:
    March 8, 2014 at 3:19 pm

    “I think we would all actually miss beating him up. However if he finds this out, he just goes too far to the point where he’s completely and utterly insufferable.”

    Hold on to that thought about the point where he becomes “completely and utterly insufferable” worky!

  432. 432
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Looks like the 1976-1977 season was the last time we finished above Man U. We were in 5th. They were in 6th.

    Thought it was earlier TBH.

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  434. 434
    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    March 8, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    “Hold on to that thought about the point where he becomes “completely and utterly insufferable” worky!”

    He’s been in one of his completely insufferable phases for too long now.

  435. 435
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Howay lads!, Chuck is alright, Are people really that offended by what he says?
    He comes up with good stuff and is a good contributor to this blog!

    I find it impossible to get offended by him, And some of the put downs and his grumpy attitude i find amusing.
    He might be a grumpy owld git!, But he is our grumpy owld git!
    A bit like the sheep who were jumping on Pardew’s dick in “The Chronicle” this week.
    Sorry to put you in the same category as Pardew, But you know what i mean…

    Chuck, That’s what i was talking about in terms of The Skin Head Movement.
    It was forever demonized by the media in Britain as a far right movement after the Southall riots of 81.
    It wasn’t the whole truth though, And most of the Fascist Skin Heads of the time were Middle Class tossers who followed the Right Wing Middle Class band, “Combat 84″.

    Granted there are Right Wing groups who identify with Skin Head culture, But true Skin Heads do not recognize these people and they are called “Bone Heads”.

    You can tell these idiots a mile away from proper Skin Heads by the way they look and dress.
    These knackers always dress in Black with T-Shirts with Blood and Honour and 88 all over them.
    They are not Skin Heads but are scum bag Odinists and Racists.

    Proper Skin Heads wear Tonic Suits, Brightly coloured button down shirts, Sta Press Trousers, Pork pie hats, Harrington Jackets, Crombie Over Coats etc.
    They look like preppie college kids from the 60′s with Loafers on etc

  436. 436
    avatar GS says:

    Hang on there Joe. You are saying there is a dress code for racists now?

    “Proper Skin Heads wear Tonic Suits, Brightly coloured button down shirts, Sta Press Trousers, Pork pie hats, Harrington Jackets, Crombie Over Coats etc.
    They look like preppie college kids from the 60′s with Loafers on etc”

    As for Chuckie, I said earlier 10% of what he says makes sense and he is a good conversion starter. He hates me though, so f#ck him.

  437. 437
    avatar GS says:

    @435: that doesn’t make any sense at all. you have been listening to Chuck for too long. Really, you make no sense at all.

  438. 438
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    GS says:
    March 8, 2014 at 5:42 pm

    “@435: that doesn’t make any sense at all. you have been listening to Chuck for too long. Really, you make no sense at all.”

    Listening to him? He ENABLES him. He completely ignores the abuse the old fukka gives everyone else then goes on to tickle him under the chin.

  439. 439
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    joe hawkins says:
    March 8, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    “He might be a grumpy owld git!, But he is our grumpy owld git!”.

    No. He isn’t. And you might think he’s the funniest fukkin thing since Bobby Thompson but the rest of us obviously don’t.

    The rest of us stop feeding him breadcrumbs when he starts blustering – but you go and bake him a five tier fukkin cake and spoon feed it to him.

  440. 440
    avatar GS says:

    Proper skinheads and racists? as opposed to the common and garden types who dress in less expensive and not name brand clothes?

  441. 441
    avatar GS says:

    Proper skinheads :) F3ck Joe, I never thought you were that dumb.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 8, 2014 at 5:52 pm

    “Proper skinheads and racists? as opposed to the common and garden types who dress in less expensive and not name brand clothes?”

    Joe is completely correct in his assesment of the Skinhead movement. The original and proper skinheads were actually anti racists known for their love of black Jamaican music. He’s right about the sartorial differences between them and the racists. You can tell the difference straight away. The Redskins Joe mentioned the other day were proper skinheads.

    Hippy twats in the sixties were such pretentious middle class prats that working class people needed their own movements, so you have mods, skins blah blah…

  443. 443
    avatar workyticket says:

    And here’s some real skinhead music, with pictures of real skinheads

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    workyticket says:
    March 8, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    “The Redskins Joe mentioned the other day were proper skinheads.”

    I’m guessing Joe’s expertise in this area comes from having been a skinhead himself ;-)

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    avatar GS says:

    Alright then Worky. Whatever they dressed like and however short their hair was. Skinheads were, and are, skinheads and are racist. From the mid-70s on which is what I am talking about.

    You can have some weird thing about white rude boys or whatever. But that is not what skinheads are now or when I grew up. Don’t lecture me.

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    avatar GS says:

    I always associated skinheads with the National Front. Maybe I am wrong.

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    avatar GS says:

    Urgghh….

    It wasn’t a fashion movement. It was a fascist movement.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 8, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    “Alright then Worky. Whatever they dressed like and however short their hair was. Skinheads were, and are, skinheads and are racist. From the mid-70s on which is what I am talking about.”

    I’m sorry Gs but that’s not right at all. I’ve fought alongside anti racist skinheads against racist skins (the bastards tear gassed us!) and that was in the ‘nineties. You used to have the lace culture, red laces, yellow laces and white laces so you could tell what’s what and who’s who. It’s a funny old world.

    Did you ever hear of Two Tone records over there?

    Did you know that Skinheads actually started in Jamaica?

  450. 450
    avatar GS says:

    Of course I know what two tone is. Did you look at the pictures at 447?

    I lived in Coventry and Leicester during the ska days (for a year antway). Your and my friends might have been what you say you remember now, but most skinheads were National Front, racist f@cks.

  451. 451
    avatar GS says:

    And again Worky: where skinheads started is not where they ended. They ended up being stereotype fascist big boot wearing thugs.

  452. 452
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 8, 2014 at 7:08 pm

    “Of course I know what two tone is. Did you look at the pictures at 447?”

    I don’t understand your point there at all?

    GS says:
    March 8, 2014 at 7:18 pm

    “And again Worky: where skinheads started is not where they ended. They ended up being stereotype fascist big boot wearing thugs.”

    Well I’m sorry but you’re getting a bit like Chuck now. You’re a Yank, you haven’t lived here for decades and yet you are calling Joe “dumb” when he obviously knows a million times more about it than you do.

    You say you lived in Coventry and Leicester during the ska days and that the skinheads were all right wing. Well 2 Tone and the original Skinheads were pretty much the same thing. You just don’t seem to get it.

  453. 453
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Speaking of skinheads, I suppose everyone’s seen American History X?

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120586/reference

    One of my favorite films. It’s the best thing Edward Norton AND Edward Furlong have ever done – will ever do, probably.

  454. 454
    avatar GS says:

    Worky @452:

    I never said the Cov skinheads were rightwing. I said the mid 70′s and onwards skinheads were “bovver boys”. Get it right.

    I never lost my English roots either, mate. You live in London, it doesn’t make you a Cockerney.

  455. 455
    avatar GS says:

    And Worky: if you think you can work your ticket with me then you can take your toys and go home again. You just did it, but the blog is still up :)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    I haven’t actually, Darth.

    We haven’t even tackled ‘suedeheads’ yet. When skins got a bit soft and more mature, let their hair grow a little bit (but not too much) and go back to being a bit more mod with nice loafers, tonic suit, nice Crombie coat etc…

  457. 457
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: I hope you know I am not being nasty to you, really. I enjoy what you write. I hope i will never get like chuck.

  458. 458
    avatar workyticket says:

    Suedehead anthem ‘Johnny Reggae.’

    “What’s he like, Mavis?”

    “He’s a real tasty geezer!” :-)

  459. 459
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Oh God. Do I remember that one.

    I used to quite like the Judge Dread stuff, though – “Big Six”, “Big Seven” etc.

    Not sure why now :)

  460. 460
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    England V Wales in the Six Nations on Beeb one. Buggered if I’m gonna watch Hull V Blunderland in the cup.

  461. 461
    avatar workyticket says:

    Darth, I wouldn’t just watch Sunderland, I would actually GO to Sunderland to avoid rugby! I despise it with every fibre of my being.

  462. 462
    avatar workyticket says:

    Darth, Blunderland have just gone a goal down to their ex Geordie manager. Why wouldn’t you want to watch that? It’s very enjoyable viewing! :-)

  463. 463
    avatar workyticket says:

    Make that two goals! :-) :-)

  464. 464
    avatar workyticket says:

    Three! Blunderland humiliated! This is better than Christmas. Shame it isn’t Newcastle though.

  465. 465
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    I stuck with the Rugby, worky. But I did turn over for long enough to see whack-a-mole screw up for the third goal though.

    There’s some talk about the appointment of a new MD in the offing.

    It’s probably the chief exec of Poundland or some such desperado outfit. He definitely won’t be choosing anyone with any football nous. Being able to touch your toes is a far more desirable skill in that administration.

  466. 466
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    avatar GS says:

    Darth @465:

    being able to see his dick would be a desirable skill for Fatty.

  468. 468
    avatar GS says:

    And here Worky. The skinhead movement was never just the fashion, music and style thing that you tried to paint it:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_power_skinhead

  469. 469
    avatar GS says:

    Skinheads weren’t racist because their roots were based in fashion, music and the Caribbean? That is like saying Nazis weren’t racist because their original party name was National Socialist. I don’t think they were socialists, do you Worky?

  470. 470
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS, well it was all a bit of mess, just as it is today and you could make all kinds of narratives out of it.

    History isn’t as simple as simpletons like to portray it. You used to have black and white skinheads coming together to go out Paki bashing for instance. Then you would get skinheads who were against all racism, just as you’d get people who weren’t skinheads going out beating up ethnic minorities back in those days too.

    I’m sick of being told by Afro-Caribbeans and Muslims that racism is wrong, but that homosexuals should all be killed without any irony or sense of shame whatsoever.

    You have fallen into that irony trap too because you are saying you are prejudiced against all skinheads because you think they are prejudiced. :lol:

  471. 471
    avatar GS says:

    Worky says about GS @470:

    You have fallen into that irony trap too because you are saying you are prejudiced against all skinheads because you think they are prejudiced. :lol:

    I never said that at all.

  472. 472
    avatar GS says:

    What I said was that the skinheads that I knew about were a different subculture to the ones that you were talking about. They were pretty much anti-social morons who had no style or dress sense. And I am guessing that most people on here think about skin heads that way and not as Mods or Rude Boys.

  473. 473
    avatar GS says:

    Worky, though: we can agree to disagree :)

  474. 474
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS, well I hope you apologise to Joe for calling him “dumb” when he pointed out that real skinheads aren’t racists. That was nasty and you were incorrect too. It boiled my piss because Joe has never offended anyone on here (except for Pardew LOL)

  475. 475
    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 428: yeah, at 5 points back and a GD 17 inferior with 6 to play-I guess topping this awful MU side is another potential goal slipping by the wayside.

    But let’s not kid ourselves. That was AP’s gums flapping in the wind. This club’s admin have no goals.

    @ 435: an admirable attitude. I decided early on not to get offended with what anyone says online.

  476. 476
    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 453: for the record, and I’ve only been nebulously aware of the distinctions that joe, GS and worky are arguing above, “skinhead” as it’s used here is just a term for straightforward neonazis. The whole thing with racial/cultural rhetoric in the U.S. is that there’s no nuance to it at all.

  477. 477
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    GS says:
    March 10, 2014 at 3:48 pm

    “What I said was that the skinheads that I knew about were a different subculture to the ones that you were talking about. They were pretty much anti-social morons who had no style or dress sense.”.

    Well, origins and original intentions aside, that’s been my experience of skinheads as well, GS.

  478. 478
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    tunyc says:
    March 10, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    “skinhead” as it’s used here is just a term for straightforward neonazis. The whole thing with racial/cultural rhetoric in the U.S. is that there’s no nuance to it at all.”

    Which would describe the majority of skinheads in the UK today, unfortunately. There have been music and fashion oriented revival movements, but these have come and gone.

  479. 479
    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    March 10, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    “Which would describe the majority of skinheads in the UK today”

    You’re might be right, but on what evidence do you base that, Darth?

  480. 480
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    workyticket says:
    March 10, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    “You’re might be right, but on what evidence do you base that, Darth?”

    Well, there’s no Ska/Reggae/Bluebeat revival going on at the moment, worky – the only ‘smarties’ I bump into these days (and see on the telly) are either BNP or EDL hoolies.

  481. 481
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    I thought my ears were burning, Ah well at least it seems to have created a debate if nothing else.
    So i am being called dumb, Well that’s nowt!, I have been called far worse names lol

    Skin Head is not just a fashion, It is a way of life!
    Yes it has been infiltrated by the Nazi’s from time to time, But it is starting to grow across the World now.
    There are Skin’s in China and other parts of Asia too.
    There are loads of good Skin Head bands coming out of Colombia and Mexico now!
    The Basque Country have a healthy scene and The States has a growing scene, But they are having there problems with the far right trying mess with it.
    Groups who are affiliated to the KKK and The Nazi Low Riders, But they are in a minority fortunately.

    The scene is there and growing but i hope it doesn’t get too big because the Corporates already nearly killed the movement stone dead in the early 70′s.
    They tried to turn it into just another fashion by sanitizing it in the same way they tried to with Punk.
    When ever there is a movement comes along, They will try to control it!

  482. 482
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    workyticket says:
    March 10, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    “You’re might be right, but on what evidence do you base that, Darth?”

    Further to what I’ve written above (which is hardly empirical evidence I know :) )You’re absolutely right about the origins of skinheads of course, worky.

  483. 483
    avatar GS says:

    Darth: Worky was like 5 years old when the origins of skinheads was going on. He knows the bovver boy movement like we do but is being a smart ars@.

    Joe, I enjoy your rants, so I take back anything I said that was bad.

  484. 484
    avatar GS says:

    Joe @481: I thought I was sure what you were talking about, now after that I am not so sure. I mean, what was any of that about?

  485. 485
    avatar workyticket says:

    The real origin of the Skinheads by Don Letts. It’s a great little film.

  486. 486
    avatar chuck says:

    JOE

    I predicted it, being I was no longer available they came down on you, probably because of your defense of me or perhaps because you may have stated something they disagree with.
    I know you can handle it, WTF!

  487. 487
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    That’s right, chump. Everything’s about you.

  488. 488
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 10, 2014 at 6:48 pm

    “JOE

    “I predicted it, being I was no longer available they came down on you,”

    Chuckles, only GS has come down on Joe for some bizarre reason. I know what you’re up to, you’re just trying to be manipulative there you old fox. :-)

  489. 489
    avatar workyticket says:

    Back to Chuck bashing, something that brings us all together. :lol:

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    joe hawkins says:
    March 10, 2014 at 5:35 pm

    “Skin Head is not just a fashion, It is a way of life!”

    I knew you were a skinhead, Joe :)

    I dabbled with being a (very young, very little) suede-head in the early part of the seventies – and I was a very committed, nasty-looking, spiky-green-haired punk by the end!

  492. 492
    avatar chuck says:

    The subject of Skinheads, fascinating, not !
    Thought you had done that one, with the Scotty Rd. group, in a documentary a while back?

    The kids I saw, sure some wore overcoats that resembled
    Crombies ?

    A depressing bunch, with no political understanding and very little in the way of why or what they were about, other than a sense of belonging and a certain uniformity
    of clothing and haircuts.

    Who if they ever got into any violent situations, had little to justify it other than as a reproach to society in general for their situation.

    As for Worky’s description of Skinheads, the good, the bad
    and possibly the ugly.

    With various differing colored bootlaces, did they have pink ones for the gay Skins?

    Plus the description of him fighting for one group (the good guys) against the bad Skins, hilarious, you couldn’t make this up, yeah right Worky.

    I would have worried about having to check out the color of the guys laces before I was sure who’s side he was on.

    On the other hand the Punk movement had cause, it being primarily about unemployment and it’s resulting debilitation.

    As the UK changed from a manufacturing base to one that was primarily service orientated, thousands of workers either lost their jobs or became redundant, with unemployment hitting those entering the workplace the most.

    Many young people considered themselves a public embarrassment to be swept under the rug, which resulted in them making it so, by getting multi colored Mowhawk’s
    wearing combinations of kilts, chains and jeans, plus having multiple piercings.

    In other words, if it’s embarrassment you want, we will show you how ugly we can be.

    A genuine meaningful political movement.

    Of course it reflected in the music they played, a back to basics R&R, which varied from The Sex Pistols to The Clash.

    And the end of which is happening as we speak, with fifty and sixty year old business men, wearing variations of carefully uncombed haircuts, laughable.

    Of course I find that there is one thread that runs through most of these social movements and that’s fashion.

    Every documentary that includes any of these movements, have their distinctive fashion statements, whether clothing or hair and it’s a constant conversation piece from those interviewed.

    I suppose it created a certain uniformity and I suppose they wanted to look good as they got their asses kicked.

    What came out of all this, alienation, between parents and kids, plus a widening gap between the classes and the North South Divide.

    After all, how many Cockney barstewards do you hear on this and other blogs.

  493. 493
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    No one gives a fcku what you think, daftjack.

  494. 494
    avatar chuck says:

    Darth Brown

    Both you and the drunk are going to be the last remnants left on this blog, if you continue your obsession with insulting people, you might be forgiven if you at least tried to be humorous sometimes, but obviously you lack any sense of humory.
    Must be tough going through life that way, ah well!

  495. 495
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    I’m not in the habit of insulting normal, well-balanced people, clunk. Trolls? Another matter altogether.

    I fully admit to lacking any sense of ‘humory’ :lol:

  496. 496
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    CRANK

    I predicted it(?), seeing as you’ve nowhere else to go and no one else to talk to.

  497. 497
    avatar chuck says:

    Darth,
    Don’t you see Worky gets it, has done for a long time, because he can see humor and though he wont openly admit it, enjoys the back and forth, when he’s up for it.
    You on the other hand are just plain boring, with little of interest to say.
    If I asked for instance could you point out a piece you have written (no googled stuff) that has any entertainment value, whether an opinion on something (that wasn’t recently googled) humorous ?
    Think about it .

  498. 498
    avatar chuck says:

    Darth

    Who do you regard as “the rest of us” been taking polls lately.
    Actually it’s just you and “The Drunk”, good luck with him.

  499. 499
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Clunk,

    You’re funny in the sense that you’re odd to the point of distraction. You’re a near-illiterate, blustering, narcissistic ignoramus who googles EVERYTHING he comments on and then presents it as his own knowledge.

    You’re a fantasist who claims to have seen just about everything worth seeing and met everyone worth knowing.

    You have no empathy with, and have nothing in common with anyone who posts here. I suspect you have no friends whatsoever and your family have probably abandoned you.

    Think about THAT and take the hint everyone else has given you.

  500. 500
    avatar Nutmag says:

    Ashley Pardew and the sheep that keep them there have finished me with NUFC as previously stated.
    It now looks like Darth and GS with their inane school yard name calling will end my only contact with the said club. Just as well have a clean break. You should have let the blog go last month Worky these two will kill it off anyhow Unless they find a bridge to live under.

  501. 501
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    crank says:
    March 10, 2014 at 8:21 pm

    “Who do you regard as “the rest of us” been taking polls lately.”

    Missing a little punctuation there I think, Major :lol:

    Spoken like someone who thinks their own singular opinion constitutes a consensus (or is that a concencous?).

  502. 502
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Nutmeg

    Be honest – you can probably only read about %60 of what’s written here anyway.

    And then, you’re too stupid to know you’re being insulted (probably not much point in me writing this, really).

  503. 503
    avatar Nutmag says:

    Oh Darth what a sad person you are but thank you anyway I have better things to do with my life than read your garbage.
    Chuck I don’t know why you bother!

  504. 504
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    “Oh Darth”

    Oh Heathcliffe! :lol:

    “I have better things to do with my life than read your garbage.”

    Evidently not.

    “Chuck I don’t know why you bother!”

    Neither do I. Neither does the moderator of the blog either if you look at @420. Don’t just take my word for it.

    Anyway, enjoy your new toon-free life.

  505. 505
    avatar GS says:

    Nutmag: I am not mad at Worky. I am not really mad at Chuck.

    Worky likes to start arguments and sometimes he is wrong with what he says. Not often though.

  506. 506
    avatar GS says:

    And Worky:

    I said something about Joe Hawkins because he said this:

    “Skin Head is not just a fashion, It is a way of life!
    Yes it has been infiltrated by the Nazi’s from time to time, But it is starting to grow across the World now.
    There are Skin’s in China and other parts of Asia too.
    There are loads of good Skin Head bands coming out of Colombia and Mexico now!
    The Basque Country have a healthy scene and The States has a growing scene, But they are having there problems with the far right trying mess with it.
    Groups who are affiliated to the KKK and The Nazi Low Riders, But they are in a minority fortunately.

    The scene is there and growing but i hope it doesn’t get too big because the Corporates already nearly killed the movement stone dead in the early 70′s.
    They tried to turn it into just another fashion by sanitizing it in the same way they tried to with Punk.
    When ever there is a movement comes along, They will try to control it!”

    Just crazy, and insane nonsense babble.

  507. 507
    avatar GS says:

    “the basque country have a healthy scene” :) :) :) with their moustaches and berets? How do I say this politely? You are insane. Not quite Chuck nuts, but make no sense at all.

  508. 508
    avatar GS says:

    And Chuckles. I am not drunk, as I said, I just don’t like you.

  509. 509
    avatar Nutmag says:

    Darth I have been enjoying my “Toon free life” for some time now. Now it will be blog free as well.
    Thanks again.

  510. 510
    avatar GS says:

    Joe @481 says about skinheads:

    “yes it has been infiltrated by the nazis from time to time”

    That is almost the stupidest thing I have ever seen written. Contradict me if you want worky.

  511. 511
    avatar GS says:

    @485: “if you walked around in the late 60s you would be attacked by skinhead girls if you looked a bit hippy”

    Did you listen to what the people said at the end of the video?

  512. 512
    avatar GS says:

    Really cool, to be attacked for looking a bit different? I thought that was the opposite to what the skinhead subculture was about? I watched the first part of the clip and then it said what I said later.

    It is not where you start, it is the way you end up. And skinheads were f$ckheads. If you want to TRY to defend them in some 1967-1970 subculture rude boy defense, then go ahead.

  513. 513
    avatar GS says:

    It is not what happened and what skin heads ended up as.

  514. 514
    avatar chuck says:

    NUTMAG

    Thanks for your support and you too JOE.
    Sorry to see you call it a day Numag, as you and I are from a different era and enjoyed different experiences, than the present day fans.

    I recall the way the team burst out of the tunnel and started to kick the ball around, to the sound of “howeeeeeah Newcasile”.

    Non of this “toon toon” crap, plus the stadium in this era can be as quiet as a a graveyard, unless we are leading.

    Give me those times any-day watching my childhood hero’s of the fifties, where we always expected a win, even though we were exposed to weather and a lack of anything to warm us up.

    Thinking about those excuses for tea or a cup of Bovril, from that hut in the top south east corner, plus the bogs were disgusting.

    But watching “Bobby dazzler Mitchell” take on defenders on the left wing, made it all worthwhile.

    The banter from away fans was also enjoyable and there was no better feeling than gannin hyem, with a win and all three points.

    Of course you had to relive the experience by reading it in the Chronicle’s Football Final, a couple of hours later, that included an account of the game the league standings and results for all games and leagues.

    Different era, different people, different attitudes.
    I know which ones I enjoyed best.

  515. 515
    avatar chuck says:

    I don’t know folks, I hate to come on here when there is so much vitriol involved.
    Every statement resulting in either rage based insults, or in the case of the drunk, just plain craziness due to overindulgence.
    I guess it’s not good for the blog, if the idea is to continue with it , instead of folding, but it gets more difficult having to deal with a constant barrage of abuse.

  516. 516
    avatar GS says:

    Chuck, this is not your blog even though you act like it is.

    Did the rest home give you your internet pass back?

  517. 517
    avatar GS says:

    And, as I said. I am not drunk at all, I just don’t like you.

  518. 518
    avatar GS says:

    And Chucklebunny, you act all aggressive and then act all hurt and aggrieved if anybody says anything back to you.

    And now you think you are the king because a couple of people on the internet don’t call you the imbecile that you obviously are.

  519. 519
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    chuck manson says:
    March 11, 2014 at 3:39 am

    “I recall the way the team burst out of the tunnel and started to kick the ball around…”

    No. You don’t. That’s all google. You’ve never been to a toon game in your life.

    “there was no better feeling than gannin hyem, with a win and all three points.”

    All three points, eh? You daft old fraud.

  520. 520
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    R.I.P Bob Crow, 52 is no age to go, He will be missed!

  521. 521
    avatar chuck says:

    Joe
    Thought for a moment you meant Charley Crowe who played left half, think he’s one of the few from the fifties crowd still hanging in, but suffering from Alzheimer disease apparently.

  522. 522
    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 489: two-minute hate?

    Anyway, have fun guys. I’m married so have plenty of chances to argue irl…lol…

  523. 523
    avatar chuck says:

    Darth

    I’m not going to feed this obviously obsessive behavior, so this will be my last communication to you.
    Never mind, you have your verbal Chihuahua buddy GS to exchange googles with, good luck with that.

  524. 524
    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    March 11, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    “@ 489: two-minute hate?”

    I was just trying to introduce a little levity but seriously, I’m starting to get really angry with some people on this blog now.

  525. 525
    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    March 11, 2014 at 12:51 pm

    “R.I.P Bob Crow, 52 is no age to go, He will be missed!”

    I had a friend who died relatively recently at 52. He went to the doctor and kept telling him he had a pain in his shoulder. It kept getting worse and the GP just kept telling him there was nothing wrong with him until he was in so much pain he went for a second opinion elsewhere. After he saw the second doctor he was immediately rushed to an oncology department but his cancer had spread too far and he had no chance.

  526. 526
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 10, 2014 at 11:37 pm

    “That is almost the stupidest thing I have ever seen written. Contradict me if you want worky.”

    If you carry on like this GS, I won’t condradict you, I’ll just get rid of you. In this case, it isn’t just ‘six and two threes” with another big baby like Chuck. Your attacks on Joe were completely unprovoked.

    Darth, I know what Chuck is like and I haven’t been as restrained as I might have been myself but you’re starting to enjoy it a little bit too much and it’s going beyond mere self defence now.

  527. 527
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Sorry to hear that Worky, May he rest in peace.

  528. 528
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Well Pardew has had his hearing today, So it’s just a case of them making their mind up on what the punishment will be.

  529. 529
    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    March 11, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    “Well Pardew has had his hearing today, So it’s just a case of them making their mind up on what the punishment will be.”

    What do you think the punishment should be, Joe?

  530. 530
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, He has received a 60.000 grand fine, And four total stadium ban, And three match touchline ban.

    I think a ten match stadium ban wouldn’t have been too extreme.
    I know it was a bit of hand bags in the end, But the intent was there.
    Pardew is old enough to know to not get involved, But i doubt whether he will learn from this.

  531. 531
    avatar workyticket says:

    Nutmag says:
    March 10, 2014 at 8:32 pm

    “You should have let the blog go last month Worky”

    It usually seems to be the same with Newcastle United fans nowadays, Nutmag, always fighting with each other.

  532. 532
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Personally i think the extra 60 thousand Pound fine was over the top.
    The Hundred Newcastle fined him should have been more than enough.
    That is the most costly head push away in history lol.

  533. 533
    avatar workyticket says:

    Joe, I thought you would have been arguing to bring back the death penalty with Pardew in the dock.

    Did Mike Ashley give the £100,000 fine he imposed on Pardew to charity?

  534. 534
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    I got it the wrong way around, It’s 3 matches with total stadium ban, And 4 matches with touch line ban.

  535. 535
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, I would love to see the back of him, But i wouldn’t want to see him hung, Drawn and quartered lol.

  536. 536
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Well now that is over, What have we got to look forward to?
    More fake flattery and buttering up of the fans!

    More lies about player recruitment, Starting by wanting five new faces in and see that diminish to one, As the summer drags on.

    More excuses and blame shifting after defeats!

    More losses in the Derby games to look forward to, Because soppy will never win another one.
    He will hope Sunderland go down and his prayer mat will be out.
    That will be the only thing that will save his backside is if Sunderland are relegated!

    More unwanted historic records to be broken for all the wrong reasons!

    Pardew could commit murder and not lose him job as it now looks like Ashley has the perfect puppet.
    Lets be honest, That is all this fool is, It is a wonder Ashley hasn’t got him dressed up in full jester’s regalia
    He is just a very cheap cog in a tin pot dictatorship!

  537. 537
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Sorry typo, Meant to type “Lose him his job”.

  538. 538
    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    March 11, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    “More lies about player recruitment, Starting by wanting five new faces in and see that diminish to one, As the summer drags on.”

    To be fair though, Joe, everyone has to lie for Ashley otherwise it’s lampshade time for them.

  539. 539
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    workyticket says:
    March 11, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    “Darth, I know what Chuck is like and I haven’t been as restrained as I might have been myself but you’re starting to enjoy it a little bit too much and it’s going beyond mere self defence now.”

    I don’t enjoy it at all, worky. It’s all getting repetitive – largely because you allow it to be.

    And if you’re gonna fukkin’ ban someone, get on with it instead of pontificating and taking the moral high ground whenever it suits you. The fact of the matter is, you’re going to be left with little more than a nasty, trolling old fantasist who’s already ruined the blog – him and a couple of dopey acolytes who’re too daft to know when they’re being insulted.

  540. 540
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    chuck manson says:
    March 11, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    “this will be my last communication to you.”

    And this will be my last communication to you, clunk. One way or another.

    “The banter from away fans was also enjoyable and there was no better feeling than gannin hyem, with a win and all three points.”

    TWO POINTS for a win in Mitchell’s day. Two points right up until 1981, you old fraud.

    Ahm gannan hiam. And in my case, that isn’t Noo Yahk.

  541. 541
    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    March 11, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    “I don’t enjoy it at all, worky. It’s all getting repetitive – largely because you allow it to be”

    So don’t do it then, Darth.

    Point taken. If it continues I will get rid of the problem immediately.

  542. 542
    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 524: levity would be nice right now, wouldn’t it?

    As for Pardew, I stopped caring several news cycles ago. Just wake me when he leaves…

    @ 536: Amen.

  543. 543
    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc, if you want a laugh, read the questions in this alleged questionaire from a ‘Hungarian Student’ for a final thesis on Scottish Independence. It was being put in the comments sections of quite a few Scottish newspapers today with a note asking if Scots would kindly have a look and fill it in.

    Would you say the questions toward the bottom were ‘loaded’ or biased or trying to manipulate people’s opinions in any way? :lol:

    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ywmsDl1LnxOzDO_LG2-yZes5a14PP-OCyQv-wxQNwhs/viewform

  544. 544
    avatar tunyc says:

    Wow. That’s quite a doc, worky. The kind of thing that when I encounter it, I assume it’s about something other than what it claims to be about…like maybe this is more about people’s attitudes toward nationalism within the UK? Or maybe it’s about what they’ve absorbed from the media? Those questions are so leading as to be useless for academic purposes.

    Oh, and I did chuckle at your “Trajan v Germans” joke. Hell, he even broke the Romans’ duck against that daunting Parthian squad…lol…now you’ve got me thinking Greek Philosophers v German Philosophers…again, lol…

  545. 545
    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    March 11, 2014 at 9:11 pm

    “Those questions are so leading as to be useless for academic purposes.”

    So leading that I couldn’t believe for it was for academic purposes. I’ve seen a few and I’ve never seen one anything like as bad as that.

    tunyc says:
    March 11, 2014 at 9:11 pm

    “you’ve got me thinking Greek Philosophers v German Philosophers…again, lol…”

    “Confucius say name go in book” :-)

  546. 546
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, Your attitude towards Pardew has softened somewhat, Your not becoming a fan are you?

    Please tell me this is not true lol

  547. 547
    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    March 12, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    “Worky, Your attitude towards Pardew has softened somewhat, Your not becoming a fan are you?”

    You shouldn’t be surprised, I’ve even stuck up for the other Joe, Joe!

    This may sound strange coming from a football fan of all people but I just don’t have that primitive crowd mentality most people have and I hate humbug, witch hunts and such.

  548. 548
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, When he first rocked up you used to be critical of him and his tactics etc…
    You also used to allude to other clubs he had been to, And the fans perception of him not being up to much, And how he loved himself.
    I always thought you were more in the Anti-Pardew camp as opposed to being more neutral about him.

    I don’t think with a herd mentality and my dislike of Pardew precedes his time with us.
    I remember him at Reading and the snide way he went about taking the West Ham job.
    Then him living off the back of a 9th place finish and F.A Cup Final appearance.
    He completely ruined Charlton Athletic’s philosophy of Football which Alan Curbishley had taken a long time to build up.
    He was described as something of a disease by Eggert Magnusson and the same by Southampton’s chairman.

    What i see in him is he is doing the same thing his mate Ashley is doing at this club.
    He is picking away at the fibres of what this club is, It’s history, Philosophy etc, And they are ripping the heart and soul out of the club, And replacing it with their own brand of “Twobobery”!
    Pardew seems to do this where ever he goes, So he is definitely Ashley’s man in that respect.
    Along with his huge ego he tries to create a cult of personality around himself and a blame shifting game, To extricate himself from all situations.

    His constant cosying up to everyone and his fake flattery are sickening to watch.
    This latest pathetic story that is surrounding him is typical Pardew, And they should have got rid of him because he isn’t worth anyone’s hassle.
    I have no doubt this will not be the last farce or ridiculous antics we will see from him.

    I cannot understand why Ashley would risk hurting his reputation in this country further, By standing by a p*** poor excuse of a manager who is never going to change or get any better.

    There is an article in The Mag which is a follow on piece from that anonymous footballer who does a column about what it’s like inside Football.
    He talks about Pardew’s ego and arrogance, And there definitely being more than a rumour about Pardew’s position being more than merely a Football one!
    There has to be something in this idiot staying in his job when he should have been dispensed with 18 months ago.

  549. 549
    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    March 12, 2014 at 3:08 pm

    “There is an article in The Mag which is a follow on piece from that anonymous footballer who does a column about what it’s like inside Football.
    “He talks about Pardew’s ego and arrogance, And there definitely being more than a rumour about Pardew’s position being more than merely a Football one!”

    Who is this secret footballer? I don’t know wtf he is so why should I believe him? He offers no evidence. Just because I disagree with someone, or don’t think they’re the best manager in the world, that doesn’t mean I’m going to believe what every cockroach in the media says about them, even if it confirms my existing prejudices.

  550. 550
    avatar workyticket says:

    One thing I do know though is that Michael Laudrup would be a total non-starter as a manager at Newcastle. It would start to go Kevin Keegan after two minutes with Ashley.

  551. 551
    avatar tunyc says:

    Well my opinion on AP hasn’t changed a bit-and ass-crawling crony completely out of his depth who’s a proven failure at top flight clubs. His man management, his tactics, his sense of when to use substitutes-all demonstrably terrible. I still can’t believe we’re saddled with this clown.

  552. 552
    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 550: I agree. On the other hand, as I keep pointing out, there are guys like Di Matteo who have shown a willingness to work with meddling owners. We could get someone better, even under Ashley…well, actually maybe not as we now appear to be a club that will spend literally nothing on players. That might put off ANY manager.

  553. 553
    avatar Chuck says:

    I’m afraid the moment was allowed to pass, when it would have been perfectly valid to fire Pardeux for cause.
    What does that indicate ?
    Obviously Ashley has no intention of loosing his cheap and obedient manager.
    Who also takes a lotta heat for him.
    And the eight year deal was for real, I mean where else would you find a guy like him.
    So looks like the fans may be stuck with this gruesome two-some for the foreseeable future.
    The plan being, secure a mid level to top ten spot each season, draw any heat away from Ashley and continue on a comparatively low salary for the next seven years.
    Though having seen Pardeux’s act, I dont really see him
    lasting that long, hopefully he will self destruct well before then.
    We live in hope.

  554. 554
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, Like you say, I wouldn’t exactly take the “Secret Footballer” to the bank, But i cannot help thinking there is more to the story with Pardew and his appointment than meets the eye.

    There has to be more than simple obedience, And Pardew previously hasn’t been backward in coming forward.
    So what turns this wannabe thug into a compliant poodle at the sheer utterance of Ashley’s name?
    Most of the time he is giving it large and acting the hard man, But as soon as Ashley is mentioned he crawls away and has a crap!

    Something just doesn’t add up with this whole situation, And hasn’t from day one imo.

  555. 555
    avatar Chuck says:

    tunyc

    It’s not just players, who at least have agent’s to take care of their demands, I’m not sure that managers have the same luxury, they for the most part deal directly with the club involved I believe.

    Which possibly means many are out of their depth in regards to the figures involved, that plus other incidental’s, such as who decides which players are needed and who should have the responsibility to buy/sell etc.

    After all that’s what the Kinnear/Pardew/ Carr situation was all about and though Joe was fired, there was never an explanation given as to whether the matter was sorted, in which case the (Joe) saga was hardly worthwhile and we are back at square one.
    Along with missing out on some good young French talent.

    No! it’s undoubtedly a tough job working for a control freak, who is the last word on every thin dime spent, who from what we see, concentrates primarily on making a profit.

    Perhaps if he concentrated his efforts on increasing the clubs market share of selling the brand name, instead of reducing it over the recent past and squeezing the fans with his nickel and dimeing, things would run smoother.

    We don’t live in a vacuum, the word get’s around, both concerning what it’s like to work for a cheap-ass owner and how much he is willing to pay.

    Which in turn, eliminates some of the best available
    managers from taking the job.

    Even Arry, did a quick U-turn, following his interview, a few seasons ago and no one can deny that Arry knows what’s happening.

    Which entails the average fan, ending up between a rock and a hard place.

  556. 556
    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    March 12, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    “Well my opinion on AP hasn’t changed a bit”

    Neither has mine, tunyc.

  557. 557
    avatar workyticket says:

    Chuck says:
    March 12, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    “It’s not just players, who at least have agent’s to take care of their demands, I’m not sure that managers have the same luxury, they for the most part deal directly with the club involved I believe.”

    Chuck, Premier League managers do have agents too.

    “We don’t live in a vacuum, the word get’s around, both concerning what it’s like to work for a cheap-ass owner and how much he is willing to pay.”

    20 Premier League managers in the world at any one time, that’s one of the world’s most select gossip mills. I don’t think Allardyce, Keegan, Hughton or Shearer would ever say anyhing bad about Ashley though, do you?

    It shouldn’t be forgotten thiguh that most, if not all top managers have confidentiality agreements in their contracts though, so they can’t just go off and say anything to anyone willy-nilly.

  558. 558
    avatar chuck says:

    Worky

    Yeah, no doubt all managers require legal assistance when about to sign a contract, to sort out, the various questions in regard to money, authority and other questions that may arise.

    Whether they, like the players have to continue to employ that person, as in the case of most players, remains unclear.

    But in answer to your query in regard to those former managers mentioned above, no, I doubt at this time any of them would be willing to bad mouth Ashley, (though I believe that KK already has in fact) if they are interested in any future job in the EPL or elsewhere.

    As I’m sure some confidentiality agreements may stretch beyond their term of employment.

    From what I have seen, they usually save those tit bits, for their eventual book.

  559. 559
    avatar chuck says:

    Actually, IMO Souness asked the perfect question in regard to Pardeux’s recent behavior.

    Stating something like, “as a player Pardeuz was never known to be someone who relished mixing it up, so what is his recent behavior about”?

    The obvious answer is, he has pressure and has no clue as how to deal with it, regardless of what his library of self help books (Psycho-babble) tells him.
    And he will self destruct, believe it!

  560. 560
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 13, 2014 at 12:45 am

    “Worky

    “Yeah, no doubt all managers require legal assistance when about to sign a contract, to sort out, the various questions in regard to money, authority and other questions that may arise.

    “Whether they, like the players have to continue to employ that person, as in the case of most players, remains unclear.”

    They have the same permnanent agents as the players, Chuck. For instance, Mourinho is with Jorge Mendes, Pellegrini is with Pro24 blah blah…

    I don’t know about Pardew but you can see from the client list of Pro24 that they have alot of coaches as well as players.

    http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/prosoccer24/details/berater_1305.html

  561. 561
    avatar tunyc says:

    chuck-managers indeed have agents. Beginning of the end for Laudrup at Swansea was a falling out between his agent (Byram Tutumlu) and the board or maybe Jenkins specifically; I’m having trouble recalling the details.

    @ 556: I know that, worky. Some of us do pay attention. Are you surprised by the amount of slack he’s been given? What are your thoughts on his deal now? I recall you strenuously insisting it likely contained multiple outs for the club.

    I know you’re right about confidentiality agreements-they’re common in law too, the field I work in now. What annoys about AP here, to me, is that he’s constantly going on about bs that we don’t care about that tends to make AshleyCo look better. It reminds me of the Obama administration prosecuting whistleblowers and conscientous leakers at a record clip yet regularly has agents of his admin leak stories to the press that are flattering to his admin.

  562. 562
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    The League Managers Association offer legal services to their members – contracts, disciplinary matters etc.

    http://www.leaguemanagers.com/members/general-109.html

    What they don’t seem to do is enforce any kind of code of reasonable behaviour among their members – like stopping them from arranging a new job with a club who already have a manager in place, etc.

  563. 563
    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    March 13, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    “chuck-managers indeed have agents. Beginning of the end for Laudrup at Swansea was a falling out between his agent (Byram Tutumlu) and the board or maybe Jenkins specifically; I’m having trouble recalling the details.”

    Well you’ve seen what Laudup is like, the cool Scandinavian iceman personified on the surface. You could detonate a bomb behind him and he wouldn’t even blink. He’s at the other end of the scale to the Sam Allardyces and Peter Reids with their shouting, pointing, effing and blinding etc. Laudrup is a Diva though if he gets f**ked around on the football side, but he will always have someone like Tutumlu by his side to make alot of noise and ruffle a few feathers if its required.

    This Garry Monk seems to be seems to be like a Emperor at Swansea for some bizarre reason. He was sticking the knife into Laudrup with the board before during and after he was sacked and he was sticking the knife into Paolo Sosa as well when he was sacked a few years ago.

    He’s an absolute nonenity, a league two defender who wasn’t good enough to play in the first team but was still captain and seems to be the most powerful man at the club. If he doesn’t like you, you’re out and it seems and he didn’t approve of the more laid back continental dressing room style of Sosa and Laudrup.

  564. 564
    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    March 13, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    “@ 556: I know that, worky. Some of us do pay attention. Are you surprised by the amount of slack he’s been given?”

    No, tunyc. Pardew and Kinnear are the only two who would do the full monty for Ashley.

  565. 565
    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc, I know you’re into Ancient Greek stuff and I was re-watching a brilliant tv programme on BBC4 last night about Archimedes’s laptop, the ‘Antikythera Mechanism.’ Have you ever seen the programme? It’s mindblowing what they have discovered. It also asks the question how far they might have gone if those nasty Romans didn’t take over. As you probably know, Archimedes was run through by a Roman Soldier when the awkward old bugger refused to follow orders.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17989915

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01hlkcq

  566. 566
    avatar workyticket says:

    DarthBroon says:
    March 13, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    “What they don’t seem to do is enforce any kind of code of reasonable behaviour among their members – like stopping them from arranging a new job with a club who already have a manager in place, etc.”

    You mean like Pardew when he joined Newcastle and and said at his press conference that he was only offered the job a couple of days before the announcement?

  567. 567
    avatar chuck says:

    Yeah I realize there are managers who have agents and in the case of those top level guys, they need them.

    Take Mourinho, who has moved around quite a bit since his stint at Porto, who has not only switched clubs but also countries.

    Who I’m sure also has a relationship with a law firm that is familiar with the business side of professional football.

    As for the LMA, sure no doubt they provide services in regard to contractual issues, for a fee.
    But I believe, unlike the Players association are not a closed shop.

    As for Pardew, who it’s rumored was hired on the recommendation of Llambias, in some casino somewhere.

    A former mediocre player, who turned his hand to management, where his record there was no better than that of his football career.

    Having been fired more often than not.

    To bring in an agent to do nothing more than sign a few papers, accepting whatever was on the table, sounds about right, Pardew desperately needing a last shot at the big time and not wanting any agent to screw up the deal.

    Not sure about the LMA, they sound more like an agency that provides certain services for a fee and as I stated unlike the players association, not a closed shop, meaning they are available but not mandatory.

    At present there is a lot of demonization, of agents
    (imo a necessity) who provide the services that are essential to most players.

    As to whether they put too much money in their own pockets, hell! let the market decide.

    Obviously he didn’t need an agent during his last contract, where he settled for an eight year unprecedented deal for 1.1m a season.

    That’s, what was described, could be wrong (fined one hundred thousand grand, a months wages)

    What was Ashley thinking?

  568. 568
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    workyticket says:
    March 13, 2014 at 7:03 pm

    “You mean like Pardew when he joined Newcastle and and said at his press conference that he was only offered the job a couple of days before the announcement?”

    That one in particular, worky. That one stings the most as far as we’re concerned, obviously. If I was Chris Hughton and I was behind on my LMA des, I wouldn’t be in any hurry to pay up.

    But there are countless other ‘alleged’ examples (Hughes replacement lined up at City? Reina’s at Liverpool? Jol’s at Spurs?), the latest being a couple of names who might replace Sherwood at Spurs – both of these having already been sounded out.

    There seems to be very little honor between football managers.

  569. 569
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    “and I was behind on my LMA *dues* ” Duh!

  570. 570
    avatar DarthBroon says:

    Me says

    “There seems to be very little honor between football managers.”

    Aided and abetted by some pretty unprincipled chairmen/executives, obviously.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 13, 2014 at 7:58 pm

    “As for Pardew, who it’s rumored was hired on the recommendation of Llambias, in some casino somewhere.”

    No need for “rumored” there, Chuck, Llambias told all about it.

    Darth, I seem to recall that Alan Brazil or someone like that said they saw Pardew having dinner with with Ashley, Llambias or both before Pardew said he was contacted. Some people also said he saw him hanging around the gruesome twosome too, but I really don’t know about that.

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    avatar DarthBroon says:

    I heard it was all decided over a game of golf, worky – CH oblivious of his fate, obviously. Who knows!

    I rambled on a bit about the LMA, but it’s always been a bit of a hobbyhorse of mine that an organisation set up to serve the needs of a few-tens of people can’t ensure that their members don’t disgrace the profession by publicly shafting each other at every opportunity.

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    avatar chuck says:

    I’m curious, what if any organization covers things like the proverbial tappng up of both players and managers.

    Uefa ?

    The particular country/countries leagues involved, or are there in fact one set of uefa rules that fit all?
    I would imagine better for Blatter and his crowd to pause from stuffing their pockets, with bribes, to get together and attempt to establish a set of rulings that are needed, especially when it comes to negotiating a contract that is already filled.

    That and get rid of the no longer needed crap, and the offside rule which is miscalled more often than not.

    And we all know Chris Hughton’s job was negotiated, long before Llambias told him your outta here, with he lame excuse, we are looking for a bigger guy (however it was worded) and then just walked away.

    Such a mannerly bunch the Ashley associates (gang)are.

    Hopefully there’s some truth in the old adage what goes around comes around, which may in fact be what happened in the case of both Joe and Llambias, not that there are many who care, and I could easily employ a schadenfreude attitude and not feel the least guilt.

    It’s going to be an interesting run in to the seasons end, but only at both extreme’s of the table, with our destiny set at mid table mediocrity there’s nowt to look forward to but to see how many in’s and outs occur during the summer.

    I see where Pardew has added onto the number of days he has been banned from managing, carefully getting out from under any liability of relegation, though I haven’t actually looked to see whether that’s mathematically possible, nor am I that interested.

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky: Good luck with Chuck though :) I need a break from this anyway.

    WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BEAT FULHAM EVEN WITH DEBUCHY AND REMY OUT?

    Perdew watching from TV should give us a 2 goal head start.

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    avatar tunyc says:

    worky-haven’t seen the program (will check it out) but I’m familiar with the Antikythera thing. It’s awe-inspring. The Hellenistic Greek world-Archimedes’ life spanned late classical/early Hellenistic-featured lots of technological wonders. Philip & Alexander’s gift was the forced unification of the Greeks that allowed them to put their efforts into things other than inter-polis rivalries. It also helped that each city no longer had to prop up a set of oligarchs. Modernity can be seen as picking up the hellenistic thread again after it was broken by Rome & Christianity-a warrior culture and a inquiry-shunning revelation cult.

    I have trouble understanding the Monk thing at Swansea too. I assume he somehow got close with the owner/chairman.

    My understanding is that there’s very little honor when it comes to anything that taps into the billions of dollars flowing through pro sport these days.

    @ 574: with Remy out I have no confidence in our ability to score. Could be a 0-0. Depends on which version of our midfield shows up…

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    avatar chuck says:

    According to rumor, it appears we are showing an interest in both Ravel Morrison and defender Ryan Shawcross.
    Watched Morrison a couple of times and looks decent, as for Shawcross, it’s my opinion we have lacked a physical defender for a long time, plus he is decent in the air 6′-3″ and fit’s the age profile.
    But I suppose it’s early days and we could be linked to any number of deals by summer.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Well the pressure has switched from Pardeux to Carver, though if Carver can’t cut the mustard it probably means he will only drop back to his coaching role.

    Whether we will see a game where the tactical approach is Carvers or a behind the scenes Pardeux inspired game, remains to be seen.

    Personally I would like to see Carver get an opportunity, face it if he has the responsibility, let him make the decisions he thinks are in the teams best interest.

    Though recently amid his slavish apologies, he reminded Carver of the fact he was still the Manager, typical.

    I recall a while back, Pardeux stating he was in charge of the defense and Carver with whoever took care of the
    forward’s tactical plan.

    Well if that’s the case, one just has to look at our defensive record and see where the problem lies.

    We have the highest goals against amount in the top eleven sides, what does that indicate, is it our tactical genius’s fault or do we have a set of poor defenders?

    I suppose the only reason to watch the remaining games in this run in, is to compare Pardeux’s efforts with Carvers, that’s if he’s allowed to exercise his game plan, or employ one designated by the tactical genius
    himself, after all Pardeux has informed him, that he is still the manager.

    Yeah much to the chagrin of many fans, hoping to see his
    ass disappear through the door of a cab, heading to-wards the airport with a one way ticket to oblivion.
    Ah well !

  578. 578
    avatar chuck says:

    tuncy

    Yes I know that it can be fascinating, a classical education and believe most of what we know comes from the Greeks.

    My son had given thought to attending St. John’s in Annapolis and checked it out, but I convinced him unless he was interested in a teaching career, he should make his other short listed school Wesleyan his choice.

    As it turned out he agreed.

    Here in the city it’s amazing how many bartenders and waitresses one meets , who have both bachelor and post graduate degrees in subjects like archeology, the classics, etc. being are a limited number of teaching jobs in those fields.

    Anyhow I was reading about the Moorish invasion of the Iberian peninsula and it’s result over the following eight hundred years.

    Which could be described (apart from a certain amount of conflict) as something of a golden era, certainly in the case of learning.

    Where one library contained more books than the combined libraries of Europe to the north.

    Anyway though the majority of the army involved in the invasion, were a recently converted Barber people (non Arab) the eventual rulers who grabbed power (the Syrian Umayyad’s) creating the Umayyad Caliphate.

    It was the ruler Abd ar Rahman, being Syrian, which at that time had learned well from the Greeks and introduced much of what was known in various fields, medicine, mathematics, mapping the heavens, Poetry, etc.

    Making what was known as Al Andalus into a center of learning in western Europe.

    Though contrary to common belief, much of the architecture and decoration was accomplished by craftsmen imported from the Eastern Empire, strange.

    Al Andalus as it existed is basically a tribute to the Greeks and the knowledge they passed on.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    March 14, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    “It also helped that each city no longer had to prop up a set of oligarchs. Modernity can be seen as picking up the hellenistic thread again after it was broken by Rome & Christianity-a warrior culture and a inquiry-shunning revelation cult.”

    tunyc, your knowledge of the Ancient Greek world as a whole is far greater than my own. I tend to see ‘Modernity’ and the “picking up the thread” through the lens of the Martin Luther and Northern Protestantism. I see it specifically through the exhortation to explore God’s creation like Newton, Darwin and all the rest…

    “I have trouble understanding the Monk thing at Swansea too. I assume he somehow got close with the owner/chairman.”

    He’s one of those ‘big characters in the dressing room’ that you hear about. I think they may have been a bit of a schism between himself, possibly with some of the ‘old school’ players there like him and the fancy foreigners (mostly Spanish) Laudrup was bringing in which was causing problems (Chico picked up a brick to hurl at Monk on one occaision allegedly).

    Forgive me for being elitist or whatever but one of the protagonists was a prince of the game, described by Beckenbauer as “the greatest player of the 90s” (which he was). At least as good as Zidane. A man who played with Platini, Romario, Koeman blah blah… Who learned how to coach under Cruyff. The other is League Two Garry Monk?

  580. 580
    avatar workyticket says:

    Chuck, it was rather funny over here when a stupid orange bigot over here called Robert Kilroy-Silk wrote a piece in the Sunday Diana called something like “We owe Arabs nothing” berating their what he thought was their total lack of achivement in science.

    Some mathetician or scientific person responded with “yes actually we DO owe the Arabs nothing, and without it mathematics wouldn’t be what they are today…” going on to reel off all the numerical achivements of the Babylonians that we take for granted now.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 14, 2014 at 7:55 am

    “I need a break from this anyway.”

    Don’t be daft, GS! :-)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 14, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    “Though contrary to common belief, much of the architecture and decoration was accomplished by craftsmen imported from the Eastern Empire, strange.”

    There’s nothing strange about getting a few Poles in to sort out the building work, Chuck. :-)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 14, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    “It was the ruler Abd ar Rahman, being Syrian, which at that time had learned well from the Greeks and introduced much of what was known in various fields, medicine, mathematics, mapping the heavens, Poetry, etc.”

    Chuck, the Antikythera mechanism I mentioned above kind of changes our perception of the ancient world.

    Everyone knew that the Ancient Greeks were something special, but they never know they could dream of and make anything like that. It was known to the Arabs, but they never built anything quite as good, though alot of the stuff encapsulated within it came to us through the Arabs when the mechanism was lost to us. The Romans sometimes translated stuff from Arab texts, though the Arabs had actually translated them from the Greek, which seems kind of strange on the surface.

    As I said previously though, the Antikythera Device is mindblowing.

  584. 584
    avatar GS says:

    Worky man, everything is fine. Just cabin fever in Chicago – I think we have had only 1 day above freezing in 2 months and it gets to you :) Really.

    I hope Cisse gets a run of a few games to get some confidence back. We cant figure out if we should keep him if he stays on the bench.

  585. 585
    avatar chuck says:

    WORKY

    What I described above was a tribute to the contribution
    of the Greeks, in erea’s of learning, unsurpassed until that time regardless of the internal wars between the city states.

    Which were also absorbed by those who were from areas surrounding them, one of which was the recently converted Umayyid Syria.

    Who in turn became the leaders of the mainly Berber invasion of the Iberian peninsula.

    And subsequently throughout the following eight centuries, brought Spain from an ex Roman colony and over-run peninsula, by the then Visigoths, to a peninsula that reflected learning and belief,
    that people of different religious faiths and attitudes could live in harmony.

    Though no one is suggesting the occupied and by then Christian or Jewish community was satisfied with the status quo.

    However during the existence of what was known as Al Andalus , it continued to be a major center of both learning and the arts, until the Reconquista.

    But the essential part is that most of what was learned,
    and possibly improved, was based on prior knowledge from those brilliant Greeks.

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    avatar GS says:

    So, Alan will be shopping in Harrods whilst the match is going on. Maybe not after that 160,000 in fines.

    He’ll have to watch on an internet stream where it freezes for 2 minutes and sends you stupid ads. He will be like “send Shola on” and Carver will say, “aye boss, I already did that 5 minutes ago”.

    There seems to have been a change of mind on Shola though, so perhaps that wont be automatic plan b this week.

  587. 587
    avatar workyticket says:

    We’ve got the great Felix Magath with Fulham today. He’s won a few trophies in his time as both a player and a manager.

    Why can’t we have a Hamburg and Germany legend who’s managed Bayern Munich? Why can’t Newcastle get these immortal legends when clubs like bloody Swansea and Fulham can? I suppose if Newcastle went for Magath though he’d phone his ex Hamburg mate, Kevin Keegan to find out what it’s like working with Ashley.

  588. 588
    avatar workyticket says:

    Magath’s nicknames in Germany are ‘Saddam’ and ‘the Torturer.’

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    That’s wheely interesting, But people will think you are a crank talking about that!

    That’s f’ all compared to the “Anneka-Rice Mechanism” which used to shudder like two eggs in a bait hanky on the telly lol

    Felix Magath looks like someone Adolf Hitler used to employ to do unspeakable experiments for him.

  590. 590
    avatar workyticket says:

    I’m just reading through Newcastle United’s accounts. It’s absolutely gripping stuff.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Newcastle United (4-4-1-1): Tim Krul; Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, Mike Williamson, Fabricio Coloccini (c), Paul Dummett; Moussa Sissoko, Cheick Tiote, Vurnon Anita, Yoan Gouffran; Luuk de Jong; Papiss Cisse

    Subs: Jak Alnwick, Massadio Haidara, Steven Taylor, Dan Gosling, Sylvain Marveaux, Adam Armstrong, Shola Ameobi

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  593. 593
    avatar workyticket says:

    Mad Dog Pardew victim David Meyler scored a goal and celebrated by headbutting the corner flag.

  594. 594
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    “Operation Paper Clip” for Magath there today!

    We have proved yet again without Remy who is not even our player, We lack any kind of threat in front of goal.
    We really didn’t deserve too much today and the tippy-tappy stuff from us was typical.

    Most of the time our football gets us nowhere and i don’t know why we even bother putting crosses into the box.
    This has not changed throughout Pardew’s tenure and he wasn’t missed on the touchline because he would have just contributed in the same meaningless way.

    Opposition goalkeepers must rub their hands together when they see us on the fixture list because they have an easy afternoon!

  595. 595
    avatar chuck says:

    No doubt the worst performance and most boring game this season, plus the camera crew should be fired for the way they failed to adjust to shade and sunlit areas, with half of the game (in the shade) impossible to distinguish one from the other.

    We lost it in the infield, which they controlled and we failed to break them down other than hoofing it over the top.

    Someone has to take charge of set pieces, as Dummitt is not the answer plus I don’t know why he is getting starts, sure he has a future here, but it ain’t now.

    I’m sure Krul realizes he should have got to the ball
    that scored the games only goal, however they certainly deserved their win.

    And where were the second half adjustments?

    And why an over the hill striker and a seventeen year old, replacing Cisse and DeJong, even though Cisse signed his get oot of toon card and deJong did little to help him stay, following his loan period.

    Plus surprise, even Marveaux got a few minutes.

    Nah ! I’m afraid this run in could end up a nightmare for the club, it’s still a mathematical possibility we could be relegated, after all if we cant beat the worst side in the league, what does that say about the rest
    of the schedule.

    I just hope Pardeux saves a seat in the taxi for Carver
    the guy who lasted five minutes at Toronto, before they sacked him and handed him a one way ticket.

    He is obviously no improvement over Pardeux, having failed to recognize our problem was in midfield and who waited until Fulham scored before pulling his master stroke, by replacing the unsupplied strikers, with an unknown seventeen year old and an over the hill striker.

    Do we the fans deserve this, hope some of those fans who attended the game, give Ashley a call demanding a refund.

    Nah we need big changes, both in management plus some new faces on the field and continue to play like this and no one will want to come.

    How can so few, do so much damage to this club, who’s in charge ?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Chuck, to be fair, I probed Carver once and I don’t think he was sacked at Toronto, I think he resigned in the huff.

    I still want to know how these clubs like Swansea and Fulham are getting football legends in as coaches and not us?

    Little old Fulham, a small team in the doldrums and in a relegation dogfight manage to lure a sausagemunching legend who won five big trophies in 2 1/2 seasons at Bayern Munich, and he won the Bundeliga with Wolfsburg after that as well. Meanwhile, Ashley brings in people like Pardew and Kinnear. Surely it should be the other way round?

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    avatar GS says:

    Can I have that 90 minutes back. It was just awful. Both teams looked like they should be relegated. Thankfully, we won’t be.

    We do need an overhaul though. De Jong looked as bad this week as he looked OK last week, so I am not sure about him at all. Without speed up front we look toothless – so that’s what we need.

    In defense, we look like we will concede from every set piece. Williamson and Coloccini do OK otherwise but the whole is less than the sum of the parts in their case. I mean, they both do certain things well, but we are very fragile, especially when Krul has a bad day.

    And how is Howard Webb considered a top Ref? He is a coward as proved by the world cup. If he has a tough decision, he just bottles it.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Williamson saved us a few times today.

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    avatar GS says:

    Dummit taking set pieces is a mystery to me. He clearly isn’t very good at it and he even takes corners from the right, automatically putting him out of position on a counter.

    They had little Vurn on the post for Fulham corners. The shortest man on the field assigned to block headers?

    Was it a surprise that we didn’t score? Cisse has 1 from a penalty this year and De Jong hasn’t scored yet and had like 5 in 35 in Germany. Add to that deadly Shola and we were lucky to get nil.

    I try not to get too negative but that was so dire. Where are Ben Arfa and Sammy? Well, I suppose it was the Europa League that made us so lackluster. I mean the players must have been tired from watching it on Thursday.

  600. 600
    avatar GS says:

    And whilst I am ranting – what the hell is it with this craft beer in the US? You cant get a decent pint anymore, they all sell this stuff that was made in someone’s bathtub and tastes like a combination of soap and yeast. Even the Irish pubs don’t sell Harp anymore.

    There’s a reason why Spaten has been around for 1,000 years and this cr@p sprung up last week. They don’t even sell Miller or Bud on tap anymore in Chicago, although that is probably a good thing.

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    avatar GS says:

    Now I get it. There is a grand plan to put the monkey Carver in charge so we lose to Fulham AND Palace and get the Mackems relegated.

    Good one Baldrick. But why do have to play so shite when implementing this plan?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 15, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    “Was it a surprise that we didn’t score? Cisse has 1 from a penalty this year and De Jong hasn’t scored yet and had like 5 in 35 in Germany. Add to that deadly Shola and we were lucky to get nil.”

    GS, Laurent Blanc played Yoan Gouffran as a centre forward at Bordeaux and he scored goals. I’ll just check how many…

    12 goals in 27 appearences playing as a centre forward in his last 1/2 season at Bordeaux. Pardew has decided that he’s more of a winger though and would rather play others centrally whe he doesn’t have Remy.

    I’ve watched de Jong since he was at Twente in the Eredivisie. He scored 30 goals in his last season at there but I never really fancied him the way I fancied Vertonghen, Bony, Assaidi or any of the other ex eredivisie players I’ve gushed about on here in the past.

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    avatar GS says:

    What is so frustrating is the inconsistency in officiating and punishment. Hart headbutts someone and nothing is done, Remy gets a red card and suspension. Raphael has a clear hand ball and it is a penalty, Fulham handle and the most overrated Ref of all time waves play on. Gerrard clearly elbows Fellaini drawing blood and gets away with a yellow.

    The rules seem to bend according to the player.

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    avatar GS says:

    I see Carver says Cisse has lost confidence – no sh@t Sherlock. Why play him then? I know the lad needs to get some confidence back but as Worky said we had Gouffran who could play central in a game that was there for the taking.

    Maybe during the phone call to Pards at halftime Carver might have talked tactics rather than what restaurant they were going to later?

  605. 605
    avatar chuck says:

    Though for the most part, to-days game was entertaining, especially for the Liverpool fans, it was fairly one sided.

    With all credit to Rodgers, who following a season of teaching, has Liverpool playing brilliant football.

    Which unlike his term at Swansea which consisted of mostly a possession game, the present system is based on stretching sides and employing that excellent duo up front of Sturridge and Suarez in not only probing attack’s, but took advantage of the fast break when the situation arose.

    When one thinks of the pace in the present Newcastle side, combined with the skills of HBA and the attacking combination of

    (news flash The Arse are already one up @ Spurs)

    Santon and Debuchy and how these idiots in charge (Pardeux & Carver) continue to miss use them, it
    becomes more obvious that neither has a clue.

    Ah well!, gotta watch Spurs get their asses kicked.

    At the same tine employing a well drilled defensive unit, that MU couldn’t break down, looked the same as The Toon against Fulham.

    Newcastle who normally employ that same tactic of stretching sides and using the fast break, were left resorting (as were MU) to hoofing it over the top.

  606. 606
    avatar GS says:

    It was fun to see Man U humbled and a strong Liverpool is good for English football. I am not sure if Moyes can keep his job as he seems in over his head. Brendan on the other hand is rising to the occasion – still hasn’t achieved anything yet, but his side are good to watch.

    As for us, I have seen people say that that performance was the worst of the season and that we missed Pardew. Was Pards not on the sideline for Spurs and Sunderland?

  607. 607
    avatar GS says:

    An observation for the World Cup – playing Jones against Suarez might not be a good idea.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Interesting and entertaining game , the North London derby, with Spurs pressing hard, using a dangerously
    high line leaving only the CD’s left back in their own end.
    Which makes them vulnerable to the counter and should have resulted in a second goal.

    Lets see what happens in the next half, but if the game continues in the same tactical sense, I would put my money on Arsenal, as the opportunities for fast breaks will continue, as the sides tire.

    Though I guess Sherwood has to tie things up before changing his present tactics, let’s see.

  609. 609
    avatar chuck says:

    Well that’s it, a very entertaining couple of games, certainly a step up in quality from yesterdays debacle.

    One a well deserved win for Liverpoll, the other certainly a disappointment for Spurs who had the better of the opportunities and played some decent football.

    Who dominated the first half but were unable to put the ball in the net, followed by an end to end second half, that left both sides exhausted.

    Getting to be a more interesting scenario with any of a number of sides capable of winning the title.

    And in case anyone is worried about Sunderland and a possible loss of the two most important fixtures of next season, don’t!
    As they will beat the drop.

  610. 610
    avatar chuck says:

    I forgot to mention, when was the last time we saw three penalties (one a dive) given against the home side at Old Trafford ?

    Sez a lot about the change in managers.

    And it’s gonna cost the Glazers a whole lotta dosh, to rebuild this current squad of over the hill and just not good enough players.

    It will be an interesting summer, as the current top EPL sides have not really been competitive in Europe, being beaten by both Greek, Turkish, and other sides.

  611. 611
    avatar chuck says:

    This should be the perfect time for Ashley to look for both a GM/DOF and both a manager and set of coaches.

    He has until the seasons end, as the possibility of relegation is not quite as likely, unless the players decide to quit as they did during that orrible run in,
    involving Sheerah!

    And now that he has the possibility of firing Pardew for due cause, possibly without the fear of having to reimburse him for the length of his contract.

    I mean is it that much more money to hire a decent manager, like Worky, I question the fact other clubs have made it their priority to find decent people to run the club.

    Plus a winning side usually results in a contented fan base, earns more money, attracts bigger advertising names, in other words puts more money in Ashleys Sky.

    Apparently their is no real improvement in the learning curve.

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    avatar GS says:

    Strange though Chuck (I know you dont think I know what I am talking about) but,

    That was so unlike Arsenal, they score early and then cede possession for the remainder of the game playing on the counter-attack. That is so un-Wenger.

    Then, Man U don’t seem to have any tactics and have players that seem to have checked out for the remainder of the season. I suppose Wayne is saving himself for the world cup and just stashing his 300k a week away on handbags for Waynetta? Didn’t work in South Africa so I doubt it will be much better in Brasil. Meanwhile, were van Persie and Mata on the pitch?

  613. 613
    avatar GS says:

    Then there are the haircuts… Some are really strange like Pogba. However, the interesting thing to me was Clattenberg’s today. He seems to have gone to a football barber and gelled his hair up. Do we really want a trendy Ref?

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    avatar GS says:

    I mean, it would be like going to see your accountant who suddenly has a Ramones t-shirt and a mohawk.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 16, 2014 at 6:53 pm

    “I suppose Wayne is saving himself for the world cup and just stashing his 300k a week away on handbags for Waynetta? Didn’t work in South Africa so I doubt it will be much better in Brasil.”

    Ginger haired, milk bottle coloured English players who are carrying a bit too much lard don’t always seem to play their best football in places like Africa and South America for some reason.

  616. 616
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 16, 2014 at 7:00 pm

    “However, the interesting thing to me was Clattenberg’s today. He seems to have gone to a football barber and gelled his hair up. Do we really want a trendy Ref?”

    Mutton dressed as lamb, GS. If I was a ref, I’d grow a Hitler moustache for a laugh.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Gs, Why would that be strange?
    You will get punks from all walks of life.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Well i have had the question put to me a few times over the last few days, Was Alan Pardew missed on the Touchline?

    Personally, I don’t think he was missed that much, I have seen us just as ineffective with Pardew standing there with his black book or his arms folded.
    Without Remy being skillful enough to carve out his own chances, We look a p*** poor outfit incapable of creating anything in normal play or set pieces!

    The way the game panned out looked every bit a Pardew game plan, Even down to the shocking substitutions that never yield anything.
    We look like a Mirror image of The West Ham side Pardew used to send out spearheaded by Carlton Cole and the involvement of ineffective Frenchmen in Julien Faubert.

    Round about this time saw the worst run of League results for 70 years for West Ham, Going out of the UEFA Cup in the first round to Palermo and a League Cup exit to Chesterfield.

    Ever get the feeling you have seen something before…

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Sorry i made a mistake, Faubert came in after Pardew left i think.
    Saying that, Looking at the squad of players he had at his disposal they should never have been anywhere near the bottom!

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    avatar chuck says:

    Listened to Lee riders tape, his view was Fulham wanted it more, erm, yeah Lee! any other amazing observations ?
    Er! yeah he was happy to see a seventeen year old local neophyte introduced by “idiot no 2″ Carver, hoping that it would resound well with the fans.

    For those who didn’t get it Carver was shown by Magath how a real Manager does things, being there were no adjustments made following half time (other than those idiotic changes) and we continued to be out played.

    Of course it was all about he fact we were without Cabaye, Debuchy,and Remy, of which both Remy and Debuchy will be gone come the start of next season, with possibly Santon joining them.

    Buy em cheap and sell em at a nice profit, that’s how the retail market works and will be the future of this club, for as long as the fat man is here.

    Win summat? surely you jest, a sound midfield mediocrity with the PL tv dosh increasing by the year plus profit from player sales and the fans tied up in five year deals
    for tickets.
    Yeah wor Mike knaas what he’s doing.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 17, 2014 at 5:57 pm

    “Listened to Lee riders tape,”

    Whenever I see the name ‘Lee Ryder’ it always makes me think of a 70s / 80s porn star name. I can just imagine some 80s VHS tape “Starring Ron Jeremy, B.J. Cummings and Lee Ryder”

    I think Magath did improve Fulham at half time. they didn’t start briliantly and I think we had the better of the first half, apart from being toothless where it counted. Fulham certainly lifted themselves in the second though, and could have put another one past us.

    I still can’t figure out why we have Pardew and a 20,000 mini club in a relegation dogfight get a German legend who won everything except the world cup (just second) as a player, and won multiple trophies with Bayern Munich, as well as the Bundesliga with Wolfsburg as a manager?

    Can anyone please answer my question?

  622. 622
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Has anyone seen the latest edition of “True Faith”?
    It’s hilarious, It is all red with a photo of Pardew and “RADGE” in capital letters lol.

    Worky, It beats the crap out of me why we cannot attract a decent manager when clubs of smaller stature can.

  623. 623
    avatar workyticket says:

    Joe, a picture of a giant Godzilla sized Pardew headbutting the Tyne bridge, with the Tyne Bridge buckling, or headbutting down Grey’s monument, Angel of the North or other Gerodie landmarks would be good. I would try something like that on Photoshop if I could be arsed and make a T-shirt of it.

  624. 624
    avatar GS says:

    Joe: my recollection of West Ham was that they needed Dean Ashton to make them dangerous and Pards didn’t play Tevez.

    We look clueless up front without Remy. De Jong looked OK with his hold up play and flicks against Hull, but poor against Fulham. He has never really looked like he is going to score though, a bit like Williamson at corners.

    I really cant believe Williamson has never scored for us. He is good with his head.

    On the haircut thing, I just thought it was funny that Clattenburg was trying to be like the players. Can you imagine Clive Thomas getting a perm back in the day?

  625. 625
    avatar chuck says:

    Why can club’s like Swansea, Fulham, well face it lower level sides with stadiums that hold half of St. James’ Park’s capacity and with owners with less dosh than Ashley, end up hiring real managers and we have to live with a cretin who is and has been winging it since he got his first managerial role.

    It’s because to Ashley NUFC means nothing, that is other than an adjunct to his real business, “The Rag Trade”
    (Sports Direct)

    Being his merchandise is literally cheap crap , but have labels, that people recognize from a time (pre Ashley) when they were considered quality merchandise.

    His real interest being to use the club, as an advertising board, that goes wherever Newcastle United are given airplay, basically a worldwide audience.

    And anyone who misses seeing Sports Direct signs when watching a Newcastle home game, should immediately apply for a seeing eye dog.

    That, plus pocket whatever earnings that may come from
    such advertising, as I doubt if anything goes to his fully owned subsidiary NUFC, whether that complies with the tax laws or not?

    So one can easily figure out what a shyster he is, plus those he hires are cut from the same cloth, he’s comfortable with them and they come cheap.

    Looking at his history since he’s been here, it’s obvious he understands little about the game, but the shock of relegation and it’s cost, were a lesson not lost on him.

    I’m referring to his splurging on five players a couple of seasons ago, when it looked a bit dodgy, with us sliding down the league and in danger of repeating our
    relegation season.

    He’s obviously not worried following our series of wins that took us out of the danger zone, so he therefore see’s no need to splurge again, but if we sell both Santon and Debuchy, who the hell can we bring in to replace them.

    I believe his policy is as most agree on, mid-table mediocrity, combined with a buying cheap then profiting by selling on, plus the monitory rewards of EPL membership.

    Though it sounds like a moneymaker, it may not always work, there is not a conveyor belt of good young players out there that can be bought for peanuts.

    And more than one French Manager/owner has had enough of his cheap-ass bids and brinksmanship tactics, even warning players to stay away from the club.

    Loosing Cabaye, has proved to have left the side without direction or leadership, plus if we were to lose Debuchy and Remy (which I feel we will) then we will, like Moyes have to spend just to remain in place and I doubt if Ashley understands this.
    Ah well, we always live in hope, but mostly die in despair.

  626. 626
    avatar chuck says:

    WORKY @ 621#
    Sez (while comparing the managerial quality of those brought in by smaller PL sides, with those we have been stuck with)

    “can anyone please answer my question” ?

    Sure! using an old adage, “birds of a feather flock to-gether”.

    Want another one, “you get what you pay for”

    But don’t expect that when buying a replica shirt at SD .

  627. 627
    avatar chuck says:

    That’s it, gonna enjoy the rest of St. Patrick’s day.
    And oh! I hear they painted the Angel of The North, green, wow!

    It seems everyone knows which day St. Pat’s is on, I wonder how many know when St. Geordies day is, ye kna the Patron Saint of England, or for that matter what month it falls on ?

    Actually wasn’t he a Romanized Briton, (St. Pat), though I have heard St. George was Egyptian or Turkish or summat and doubtful if he ever got close to England.

    Too busy slaying dragons, I guess.

    Now don’t get upset, just a bit of levity.
    Later.

  628. 628
    avatar workyticket says:

    St George was a mixture of allsorts, Chuck. His dad was Greek, his mother was Palestinian, but he was a Roman soldier born in what is Turkey. With that in mind, it’s kind of ironic that racist types seem to like him so much.

    Alot of people have heard of St Patrick’s Day because it was taken over by the Irish beer marketing board to market that vile black muck they manufacture which makes you shit yourself if you have a few pints of it. All that drinking, the huge green Leprechaun style top hats etc is just the Irish brewers and the Irish pubs giving idiots a shakedown. I also believe that NYC is the home of the famous “Plastic Paddies,” who never STFU about St Patrick’s Day?

  629. 629
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    I see Carver has come out this morning talking about our inefficiency at free kicks and the need to practice them.
    NO S**T SHERLOCK!

    We have been poor in this area for the past 3 seasons or so and little or nothing has been done to remedy this.
    I’m sorry but the whole lot of them want clearing out as they are all as clueless as each other!
    From Pardew down to Carver to Stone and the rest of them have got to go imo

    Fitness levels are always questionable, A distinct lack of drills, Little or no thought into our set pieces, Quality into the box is virtually non existent, The players don’t seem to know what their roles are at times, Coupled alongside being played out of position.
    It’s just not good enough for a Premiership Club and frankly it is amateur and negligent on their part!
    You would get sacked in any other walk of life for not doing your job, And these jokers have been poor for far too long!

  630. 630
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    “George & The Dragon” was a legend brought back by the crusaders.
    The true meaning of it is something to do with him and a young maiden and defeating Satan.
    So in other words he didn’t rape the young lass as a spoil of war or something equally as commonplace lol

    I bet in reality it was something really mundane like he stabbed his mother and law to death because she was nagging him, Hence the name lol

  631. 631
    avatar workyticket says:

    Oh aye! St Patrick was British. Don’t tell the Paddies that though.

    chuck says:
    March 18, 2014 at 12:13 am

    “Want another one, “you get what you pay for”

    Chuck, I used to live by trading and I’d have been Donald Ducked if I only ever got what I paid for and only ever sold it for what I paid for it.

    No one’s surprised if say, Mourinho moves to another big club and gets paid £10-15 million per season and wins trophies and so on. These smaller clubs have been getting real value though and Ashley’s supposed to like that sort of talk. Laudrup’s wages were in the same area as Pardew’s, Magath is reputed to be on around £1.5 million, which is alot more but still small for what Newcastle United should be paying. Your Keegans and such used to get over £3 million.

  632. 632
    avatar workyticket says:

    Joe, Mother in Law jokes go way back through history and they say that there were Roman MiL jokes. I might try to dig a Roman one out for you.

  633. 633
    avatar workyticket says:

    “One cannot be happy while one’s mother-in-law is still alive.” – Juvenal (It must have been the way he told ‘em)

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/luisa-dillner-mothersinlaw-are-lovely-in-their-place-their-own-place-that-is-1912926.html

  634. 634
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, The whole mother in law thing certainly does endure lol.

    Apparently most of the political murders that took place in The Byzantine Empire, Were through the plotting and scheming of Women who had a lot of say.

    Cheryl Cole does my box in with her tales of woe with her upbringing on a rough estate.
    It’s total bollox a lot of what she is saying!
    The area she comes from is an estate which is situated just behind Shields Road on the Heaton side beside the railway line.

    I think her mother was struggling financially, But that is not a reflection of all of the people that live there.
    Alright it’s never going to be Darras Hall, But it is not the den of iniquity she has it down as!
    She has the place down as some kind of “Day Of The Dead” junkie hell hole, And it is just not like that at all!
    I mean Jesmond is just across the road from where she lived ffs, Well what ever makes the story look better i suppose!

  635. 635
    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 621: Did I miss something? Is there any reason to believe that AshleyCo have attempted to lure a better manager? I think the solution to your poseur might lie in that assumption…

    @ 624: “He is good with his head.”

    GS-I’ve mainly played fullback, am all of 5’9″ tall and have scored more with my head than most would guess. It’s taught me that heading away balls in defense and scoring with your head are two very, very different things. You can be perfect against balls in the air on defense and never really learn how to direct it accurately. And most often you don’t have to time and make a run to clear a cross. (Mike doesn’t look as good in those situations in defense either-that was the nature of the headed goal that VICTOR MOSES won against him…)

  636. 636
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    tunyc, It’s a shame Pardew isn’t, And he still got done for his shambolic attempt.
    “Good With Your Head” where i come from means of “The Byker Tea Cake” variety.
    If your going to stick the head on someone, You have to do it properly lol
    Because if you get it wrong, You are in trouble!
    That’s what makes me laugh about Footballers and the like these days, If your going to do it, At least do it properly and not this sissy stuff that goes on.

    Funny enough, I have never seen a decent headbutt since that Paparazzi bloke nutted Jay Kay from Jamiroquai, When they done his motor.
    That was a good one that had his nose all over his face lol

  637. 637
    avatar chuck says:

    WORKY

    What I was suggesting was the fact that Ashley got about what he paid for and both he and Pardeux are birds of a feather, I mean face it none of us would consider going for a pint with either, but I’m sure they are happy enough with each others company.
    However, if I were Pardeux I would be looking over my shoulder, look what happened to his other (Chucles Bro)
    Llambias, the whole story has yet to be told.

  638. 638
    avatar chuck says:

    I assumed Pardeux is on 1.1m, or close, fronm the reported one months wages fine of a hundred grand,
    I have no actual knowledge of what he earns, but feel confident that it’s a low-ball figure.

  639. 639
    avatar chuck says:

    WORKy

    Yeah, no one is more put off by those exaggerated examples of clothing, particularly the hats and especially the Guinness (Diagio) inspired products, which reduces those who wear them, to an embarrassing parody of Irishness.
    Though I have to say, I enjoy a good pint once in a while, which is readily available in my local here in NYC.
    Though I usually avoid celebrating both St. Patrick’s day as I do New Years Eve, leaving it to the amateurs.
    But I guess they (the Irish) are no different than others, the Scandinavian’s, who wear those ridicules horned helmets, (something no Vikig ever wore) or how ridicules is a Welshman, wearing a full sized Leek.

  640. 640
    avatar chuck says:

    JOE HAWKINS @629 #

    Couldn’t agree more and have said so in previous rants.

    I fear for next season, where I believe we will lose Debuchy and Remy, with possibly Santon heading back to
    Italy.

    Another beef I have is the lack of playing time for
    players like HBA, Marveaux and Haidara, these clowns are clueless, in both man management and in a tactical sense.
    Prefering to insert kids not yet ready for the PL, I mean
    whats that about ?

    Haidare is a talent, but how will he develop when warming the bench.

    Most clubs understand the importance of rotating their squads, giving players a rest, or game time to keep them
    m

  641. 641
    avatar chuck says:

    …match fit.

    Yeah I certainly agree there is need for a massive clearout, starting with Pardeux and the whole coaching staff.

    If that was not apparent when watching the Fulham game, it never will be.

    We have the making of a decent side, that is if we hang
    on to what we have (though there are a number of players who should be on their way) and bring in a few quality additions to replace them.

  642. 642
    avatar chuck says:

    tunyc @ 635 #

    Careful what you say about “Iron Mike Williamson”, or you will have Worky all over your ass.

    Whether he really believes some of his claims about him or feels he has to continue defending him once he started, I don’t know?

    But he would certainly be on my list heading out the door.

    Along with Obertan, R.Taylor,Gosling and Shola.
    I would give Cisse another shot, after all he scored
    thirteen in less than a season, he could pick up Pardeux
    on their way to therapy, to cure their different head problems.

    Saving Pardeux a few bob in gas money, following his fine.

    Plus DeJong has not had enough time (and don’t forget, playing as directed by whatever genius is in charge).

    With that lot, I would dump, Carver, and Stone, there’s gotta be better coaches available.

  643. 643
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 18, 2014 at 9:03 pm

    “tunyc @ 635 #

    “Careful what you say about “Iron Mike Williamson”, or you will have Worky all over your ass.”

    tunyc, Chuck is quite right there. If Williamson hasn’t been one of our most important players this season, if not the most importnat, then I’m a Dutchman.

    You’re totally right about the difference between offensive and defensive heading. Chuck doesn’t seem to get it though.

  644. 644
    avatar chuck says:

    WORKY

    Niets mis met het Nederlandse !

    And you actually believe your own nonsense that there are different capabilities between heading the ball, one being defensive the other attacking, now I have heard it all.
    If that were true then why is he constantly used as an attacking option during every set piece ?

    The fact he stands at 6′-3″ is the only reason, but I have often seen him out jumped by smaller players, c”mon get real, the guy is a liability.

  645. 645
    avatar chuck says:

    There is only one standard “he is good in the air”

    But the fact he hasn’t scored a goal for NUFC in his entire career, despite his being involved in hundreds of set pieces, sez it all.

    Oh! sorry he has scored in fact, two goals, both in his own net.

    You know you got a problem with this guy, it’s about being unable to admit you could be wrong, it’s called an inflated ego, lighten up FFS !

  646. 646
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 19, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    “But the fact he hasn’t scored a goal for NUFC in his entire career, despite his being involved in hundreds of set pieces, sez it all.”

    Bobby Moncur was right when he said that Iron Mike Williamson reminds him of er, him. Moncur only ever scored three goals in his whole career. Another Toon (and Notts Forest) legend, Frank Clark only ever scored one!

    Does that “say it all” about how shite they were?

  647. 647
    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 636: saw a real good one a few months ago-administered by an Irish (real Irish-accent and all) kid in another division of my pub league…match before ours ended in a brawl but that headbutt and the exploding nose that resulted from it stopped everyone in their tracks.

    @ 640: interesting theory on Haidara over at the Mag: NUFC may be on the hook for a rising fee if he gets a certain number of appearances. No authority claimed, just the musing of the blogger. Makes sense though, doesn’t it? I honestly don’t believe that Dummett has worked himself ahead of him on the depth chart. Yanga M’Biwa isn’t a fullback at all. Hell, we could use him on the left side of midfield unless he’s really regressed.

    Sorry to have roiled the Williamson cauldron…

  648. 648
    avatar chuck says:

    WORKY

    Not everyone is good in the air, take “Wor Jackie”, though he scored with his head for England, was certainly not considered good in he air, known mostly for his pace and shooting ability.

    Which when you have someone like Bobby Mitchell supplying you, certainly helped.

    Unlike George Robledo who was very good with his head.

    Of course this fact may have been why he wasn’t regularly capped for England.

    When it came to heedin the ball at that time, Nat Lofthouse was the standard, possibly scoring as often with his head as shooting (or bundling the keeper into the net, which was allowed at the time) goalies having no where near the protection given to-day.

    Of course it was a different game then and before your time.

    But there were numerous excellent players who lacked aerial ability and numerous small players who excelled,
    Dennis Law being one.

    And to say one player is good at defensive headers and hopeless while attacking is just plain nonsense.

    The fact is Williamson is 6′-3″ and should get to more balls while facing the play, as opposed to an attacking forward travelling in the same direction as the ball, but it just doesn’t happen when in the oppositions box
    for set plays, even with a five inch advantage over the average player.

    He’s a liability, face it.

  649. 649
    avatar workyticket says:

    tunyc says:
    March 19, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    “Sorry to have roiled the Williamson cauldron…”

    I’ll have to do a sort of guide for subjects to avoid when Chuck’s around. Er, Williamson, the Mau Mau and pretty much any aspect of the UK both historical and present day, heading, slavery, actually, pretty much everything really :-)

  650. 650
    avatar tunyc says:

    See, this is a good instance of what I like about this club and its supporters (well some of them)-crap season, only get press attention for embarassing scandals, owners admitting they have no ambition, not even a realistic fear of relegation to keep us engaged and yet…we just get on with it, actually getting heated over a debate about Mike Williamson. I mean this seriously. Whereas if Man U finish one point off the CL and fail to spend gobs of cash to turn over the squad in the summer their supporters will be calling for regime change. And in the media, WE’LL still be the unrealistically demanding fans.

  651. 651
    avatar workyticket says:

    You mentioned him again, tunyc. I think you’re just trying to ratlle Chuck’s cage now.

  652. 652
    avatar chuck says:

    Perhaps so Worky, but I doubt it.

    tunyc from what I have gathered is a young guy from probably St Louis, who having earned a degree, majoring in the classics, headed to NYC.

    Being there’s not a lotta call, as they say, for his particular field, in the great unwashed.

    And the fact he is into football is not surprising, as St. Luis has always been a hotbed of football for many years.

    I would guess he has got himself involved, with a wife and youngster and is working as a para-legal (doing the research that lawyers detest) cause there’s not a lot of call for classic scholars in this city of making money.

    I think he’s a decent guy and usually avoids any controversy, other than when he either smokes a joint or has a couple of buds, don’t we all ?

    Well perhaps not all.

    I’m just curious why he decided to zero in on this particular blog ?

  653. 653
    avatar GS says:

    DOLDRUMS, DOLBRUMS, DOLDRUMS. As far as NUFC is concerned. The news is:

    * Nigerian strika Shola thinks he should get more playing time even though they aren’t going to renew his contract and need to look a de Jong and Cisse.

    * A footballer? (Gosling) has a gambling problem and is fined.

    * Carver says we need to get better at set pieces (hasn’t that been his f@cking job for the past few years?).

    * A search party has been sent out for Ben Arfa and Sammy. Unfortunately it is headed by Steve Stone who cant tell his ars* from his elbow.

  654. 654
    avatar GS says:

    We have nowt to play for really but they cant be letting Dummett take the free kicks and corners again can they?

    Have little Vurn do it, at least he seems assured a place in the side until the end of the season and he doesn’t offer any aerial threat. I think he and big Mike have scored the same number of headed goals, so he is the obvious choice.

  655. 655
    avatar GS says:

    Watch out tunyc: looks like Chucky has a crush on you (@652). You are lucky he doesn’t remember what sex is like (or anything else except Brendan), otherwise he may be coming after you.

  656. 656
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS, behave yourself. We’re all singing ’round the campfire in perfect harmony again.

  657. 657
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 20, 2014 at 4:24 am

    “I’m just curious why he decided to zero in on this particular blog ?”

    Because he is intelligent, Chuck. That is obvious.

  658. 658
    avatar GS says:

    Worky @656: OK.

    Chuck has some points about the coaches and we have all thought the same way. I mean, what are they doing?

    1 goal from a corner in 2 years or whatever it was?

    Every opposition set piece, they looked like they would score from?

    Players disappearing into a Pardew purgatory.

    Players being allowed to go “home” or to France or Argentina when injured or when their wife wanted them to.

    IS THIS ANY WAY TO RUN A BUSINESS?

    You would think Ashley would step in and fire someone?

  659. 659
    avatar GS says:

    And… we all know Pardew’s teams can go into a death spiral. We might be faced with that…

    at least that might send Carver and Stone to the exit.

  660. 660
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 20, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    “at least that might send Carver and Stone to the exit.”

    North East managers along with Scottish managers used to be the gold standard. Just take the seventies – Bob Paisley, Brian Clough, Bobby Robson, even names some of you may not remember like Jimmy Hagan the great Benfica manager from Washington.

    Just look now. Steve Bruce, Lee Clark, errr…

  661. 661
    avatar GS says:

    Worky: we know that Clough was an original and Paisley too? I never understood how such a mild mannered man could pick up the legacy and make it better with his own team.

    You have to assume he had some genius in him.

  662. 662
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 20, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    “I never understood how such a mild mannered man could pick up the legacy and make it better with his own team.”

    I don’t understand, why should being “mild mannered” as you put it prevent him from being a great manager?

  663. 663
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Aye Scottish blokes used to make the best managers, It must be all the oats and dourness that make for a good disciplinarian.

    We had an English manager in the 60′s called Charlie Mitten, “The Bogata Bandit”, Who my fatha told me went up to Scotland to sign a couple of players, And came back with two Greyhounds lol.
    That was during the Mckeag/Seymour power struggle, If it is true it’s typical of what happens here!

  664. 664
    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Apparently we initially played canny football under his stewardship, And we were first out the trap lol.

  665. 665
    avatar workyticket says:

    Whatever they have done with the algorithms, Google is actually really, really, really shite on an epic scale now, and it has been for some time. Am I the only person who has noticed?

    For example, if you put “great football managers from the north east” into it, the number one listing is Phil Brown’s Wikipedia entry!

    Just try it :lol:

  666. 666
    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 652: dang, have I revealed that much?

    Most of that is spot-on so I’ll just reply to the last: I came across this site randomly when searching for a story on something about NUFC (honestly don’t remember what, must be all those spliffs…) and immediately took to it, not least because of the discussion of things other than football and the lack of transfer gossip. I read for several months before starting to comment because I was regularly doing so on another site and I prefer to have one forum where I engage deeply with a subject rather than several venues where I do drive-bys. Everyone there was very friendly and into NUFC but I felt there was too much of a tendency to swallow AshleyCo talking points uncritically but to oppose/criticize those who challenged them. Oddly, I’m actually less argumentative and less entertained by arguments online than irl.

    @ 655: no comment. I start enough fights for myself, I’m not doing it for anyone else…

    @ 657: I accept your flattery, good sir!

    @ 658: you left out quality players consistently having their form dip after a certain amount of time under AP & Co’s “coaching”.

  667. 667
    avatar tunyc says:

    @ 665: I noticed as soon as it happened. I have to identify merchant marine & privately-owned ships from partial or partly-incorrect names hazily remembered by seamen decades later as part of my job. Google used to be real helpful for that. Not so much anymore, as the information I’m after isn’t on the sites of anyone who’s advertising with them.

  668. 668
    avatar chuck says:

    Google has always been both intrusive and shit, it just didn’t have much competition earlier and the term (google it) has become a standard, which could mean using any search engine.

  669. 669
    avatar chuck says:

    tunyc

    In many cases, following the sale of a ship (Not new construction)
    If the resulting new name is very short, you may find it is part of the original name.
    For instance, a vessel with an original name like “Marie Rose” would be changed to “Rose”, as it involves a minimum of expense in many areas.
    Ask your Greek neighbors, who have been involved in the business for ever, and understand how to save a buck.

  670. 670
    avatar chuck says:

    tunyc

    You are not by any chance involved in the enormous litigation in regards to Asbestos, which has been laboring it’s way through the courts over a generation.
    Just curious.

  671. 671
    avatar chuck says:

    tunyc

    I suppose you have tried the Marine Registry, that keeps records of all registered US owned vessels.
    At; “MarineTitle.com”.

  672. 672
    avatar workyticket says:

    Chuck, are you a salty old seadog who’s been around a bit?

  673. 673
    avatar chuck says:

    Also, US Maritime Unions may have retained records of
    former and present contracted companies, including lists of their vessels.
    Plus the USCG (coastguard), which issues paper discharges, given to crewmember which record the service on board all US vessels over a certain tonnage.
    And should be available on request.

  674. 674
    avatar chuck says:

    WORKY

    Not exactly, but I do have a certain amount of knowledge about such matters.

  675. 675
    avatar GS says:

    Why would someone talk about their work on here? I know it is not facebook or instagram, but it still might get back to them?

  676. 676
    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 20, 2014 at 6:48 pm

    “Google has always been both intrusive and shit, it just didn’t have much competition earlier”

    You can’t remember Yahoo, Microsoft, Alta Vista, Ask Jeeves blah blah… Chuck? There used to be lots of search engines, which is kind of a point in itself. Now Alta Vista was swallowed by Yahoo, and Yahoo seems to be constantly sinking now without ever reaching a bottom and Microsoft named their seach engine after a dead crooner but that hasn’t worked yet. I remember that ‘Dogpile’ was an early rival to Google, years down the road, some people use “Duck Duck Go” nowadays. I have to keep up to speed with all these things as a designer. Currently it’s 66.7% Google, 18.2% Bing and 10.8% Yahoo. That only leaves 4.2% for all the rest.

    http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2323499/Google-Bing-Gain-Search-Share-to-End-2013

  677. 677
    avatar workyticket says:

    GS says:
    March 20, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    “Why would someone talk about their work on here?”

    GS, I like to think that people can write about what they wish to write about on here within reason. There’s nothing wrong with learning things from other people in other professions, that’s how you get to know about stuff.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Go to Google and type in something like “Ant & Dec Are Overrated” or something critical about a celeb you think is rubbish.
    Nothing will come up apart from their official sites and only positive articles on said people.

    It now looks like something approximating what the Chinese authorities are doing with their internet, And it is a s**t state of affairs!

    The Totalitarian Tiptoe!

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Ashley is now attempting to sell of the land behind the Gallowgate which was for the proposed redevelopment of the Stadium up to 60,000.
    Fans groups are up in arms as this signifies yet more evidence of Ashley’s lack of ambition for the club etc…

    What is your view on the situation?
    Do you think it’s another storm in a tea cup, Or do you agree with the fans?

    Personally i have never thought it was that feasible to build behind the Gallowgate.
    You would have to put in a tunnel to bridge the road for a start.
    I think it is time for the club to build a new Stadium, And we could get left behind if we don’t.
    I know it is an emotional issue, But our current Stadium is becoming an eyesore if people are honest.
    It looks like a multi-storey car park from outside and is ruining the look of Newcastle.
    Further development there would be ridiculous imo, And we should be striving to build a Wembley in the North that is the biggest and best in the Country!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    joe hawkins says:
    March 21, 2014 at 10:46 am

    “Ashley is now attempting to sell of the land behind the Gallowgate”

    That’s been bubbling away for a while, Joe. I’ve been following it but I just can’t be arsed anymore. I don’t even think it’s news, I think it’s recycled news and Geordies are so daft they don’t even remember it from last time so what’s the point trying to communicate with people like that?

    It’s accomodation for bloody students probably.

    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=980776

    Oops! That’s lots of Newcastle developments. Here goes

    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1417362

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, I cannot be bothered myself in terms of that expansion because i think it would be a bad idea.
    I do advocate the building of a new Stadium though, And that should be the future of the club imo.
    The look of the current Stadium stands as a monument to the Shepherd’s and the Hall’s greed and short-termism!

    On the other hand, I hope they do not build more flats for students because that is just taking the p*** imo.
    I think the city has been taken over enough by these parasites, And it is detrimental to the permanent residents.
    All they bring is more drinking culture that i think is ruining the image of the city anyway!

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Joe, I put the wrong link up, that was for lots of Newcastle United developments.

    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1417362

    29 stories would make it the tallest buiding in Newcastle, though that would piffling for those of us who live in proper cities. :-)

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    avatar workyticket says:

    “Napper were approached by St. James Park Football Club, (collaborating with Nexus and Newcastle City Council) to provide a mixed masterplan for an urban space south of St James Park known as Strawberry Place. The brief called for better connectivity and improved public realm ensuring better permeability between the newly masterplanned Science City and the city centre as well as providing a new commercial hub to the south of the football stadium.

    “The site layout proposes three main buildings fronting Gallowgate, including a landmark 29 storey tower, interconnected by a series of high level walkways to two smaller commercial blocks. The blocks configure to create a new square, sitting at the intersection of key routes through the city and contained by smaller scale buildings addressing Gallowgate, a bank of raked seating to the east and the refurbished metro station to the north and west. A media wall which has an aspect to the three main approaches to the square provides a central pedestrian focus suggesting a new city pedestrian meeting point.

    A competing plan for the site, ‘St James’ Quarter’, designed by Ryder Architecture (anything to do with Lee?).

    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1406356

    The plans above go ack to at least 2011 BTW if you observe the dates. Hence I don’t understand why bloggers and people like Lee Ryder are discussing this as if it’s a brand new shock horror scandal. Lee Ryder’s known all about it for a long, long time.

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Worky, Leave my City alone lol.

    It looks like an impressive plan and it would look brilliant, But it does seem like it is being created for the benefit of short term residents, And not the natives, So to speak.
    I see a constant disenfranchisement of the people of Newcastle and Gateshead with buildings like “The Sage” only benefiting the few and not the many.
    Besides the fact Newcastle is starting to look like the set of “Logan’s Run”.
    What will happen next, People being shot at “Carnival” when they turn 50, Or they are working class?

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    avatar workyticket says:

    Joe, they can’t stop hoying up new tall buildings down here nowadays. It didn’t used to be allowed but now it seems that London is determined to catch up with New York and those gauche new cities in the middle and far east.

    “buildings like “The Sage” only benefiting the few and not the many.”

    Er, most things only benefit the few and not the many though. Most women and alot of men don’t like football that much even though it is the biggest spectator sport in the world. If you take in the whole of Tyneside, there’s the best part of a million people, but only around 50,000, if that, go to the game every other Saturday. If the Sage was busy all fortnight in all of it’s rooms, it would entertain several tens of thousands of people too.

    Anyway, I hate the totalinarianism of the majority. Just because Jedward have probably sold more records than the Velvet Underground it doesn’t mean that they are more worthy.

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    avatar chuck says:

    Worky

    Err! yes the last one you mentioned “Duck Duck Go” has proven to have one of the fastest growth rates of those mentioned.

    The reason being it saves no data, therefor can not be subjected to (post related searches) from NSA/GCHQ and others.

    Apparently there are those that still believe it possible to avoid being spied upon, or at least make the attempt too.

    Personally I have given up.

    If they could see the recent data storage facility built in Utah, bigger than St James’Park , perhaps they might just throw their hands up realizing it’s capacity.

    Not to mention combining it with what’s received from GCHQ, reputed to be in excess of that available to NSA.

    Apparently this duo have now become the leaders in spying, not only on possible adversary nations, but on close allies.

    And constantly complaining about the efforts of others to spy upon them.

    GCHQ, having the availability and taking advantage of every scrap of information transmitted through the atlantic cables and through use of antenna’s also intercepting possibly everything being transmitted via satellite.

    Makes both 1984 and Brave New World appear benevolent,(“the good old days”) apparently knowledge being the most important commodity there is.

    Of course there are those who claim, the security of the country is involved and if you have nothing to hide, why worry, as there’s enough government oversight, to prevent any misuse of the information gathered, yeah sure!

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    avatar joe hawkins says:

    Well it looks like the story has had it’s desired effect and the Natives are restless, And the outrage begins!
    He’s asset stripping the club!, Future revenue is down the pan! etc etc etc

    They never stop to think that the most sensible way forward is building a new stadium.
    I don’t mean one of those Meccano sets that you see a la “The Walker’s Stadium” or what ever other name it goes by now.

    We should build a huge stadium that would eclipse anything Man Utd, Arsenal, Celtic have.
    It should be a no expense spared huge better than Wembley, Which is s**t anyway, In the north.
    With a closing roof like “The Cardiff Arms Park”, Which is capable of staging international and Champions League Finals and concerts etc

    If they build it, They will come!

    80 odd thousand capacity which is affordable to all, And young’uns getting in for cheap.
    They would flock like flies around turd to get in, And bollox to all this season ticket nonsense, As it wouldn’t be required for all the stadium.

    Complete with big singing sections behind the goals to make it an intimidating atmosphere for the opposition, And a cauldron of noise!

    I would like to see a yearly competition for who is the maddest fan, Where the winner would be given a free seasons pass to the games, And a microphone to lead the singing like they do in Italy.

    I don’t think this will happen under Ashley’s reign, But you can but dream.
    Expanding onto Strawberry Place is a crap idea though and short sighted.
    I would like to see something like you get in Germany stadium wise, Because they know how to build one apart from the high advertisement boards.

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    avatar chuck says:

    It’s already too late, Newcastle once a city of scale with it’s combination of buildings from different time periods, was not only a handsome city architecturally, but compact enough to walk from one end to the other.

    Having The Grainger Market, combined with the nearby Green Market, and various arcades and classic stores.

    Of course Eldon Square being it’s handsome centerpiece.

    Of course the money grubbing vandals took care of that, the markets and shopping streets of old sit for the most part empty, plus those buildings that held offices that took care of the paperwork for the surrounding heavy industries that operated in the area, also sit empty or have been converted to bars or restaurants.

    With Percy street and Eldon Square ruined, along with what’s now known as Grainger town, and the classical shops that lined them, now vacant or now filled with pound stores or cheap junk (Sports Direct)

    The so called city planners should have been taken out and lynched.

    I could go on, but it’s depressing to think of what has happened to a once handsome bustling city, filled on weekends with people arriving from both the northern towns and mining villages at the Haymarket bus station and those from Durham at the now extinct, Marlborough Crescent terminal and those travelling to and from the western areas from the old United bus station, with their distinctive red colored busses.

    Ah well, that’s what some call progress, but I’m inclined to disagree.

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    avatar chuck says:

    JOE

    Yeah sounds great, but the fact is, the present St. James’ is probably the right size, for the catchment area.

    Sure I remember a time when the stadium was jammed, with
    many more than the present day capacity, but I doubt if there’s any chance of getting eighty thousand showing up on a regular basis.

    Don’t forget the city’s mentioned, Manchester, Glasgow and London, have larger populations, plus they have also had success over the years which attracts lots of non resident fans.

    Though not any architectural masterpiece, being there were so many impediments involving the reconstruction,
    (the enormous Gallowgate end) does one get nose bleeds from on high, or need binoculars, certainly geezers like myself would be fearful of having a heart attack, climbing so high.

    One would have thought there would be some consideration for the fans by installing escalators, like most fairly modern stadiums.

    Though apart from that, I have always considered it to be one of the best stadiums I have been to in the UK.

    Though I have always managed to get a decent seat.

    Plus the facilities, Bar, Toilets, Food, were first class, with great seats.

    Certainly an improvement on the day, standing on top of a 12″x 12″ wooden rail, exposed to wind rain or snow and pissing in a corrugated shack, that was an excuse for a urinal.

    With a once tried never repeated, cup of an excuse for tea or Bovril, just to get summat warm inside you.

    Nah! would be nice to have an absolute state of the art stadium, but just ain’t gonna happen.

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    avatar workyticket says:

    chuck says:
    March 21, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    “The so called city planners should have been taken out and lynched.”

    Capitalist architecture must be brutal, alienating and scary and strongly discourage any idea of a community which isn’t completely mediated through “the man”. It’s part of the package. I wasn’t quite old enough for the rape of Eldon Square, though my Dad used to know all the bent councillors of the time like T-Dan and Andy Cunningham.

    “Of course the money grubbing vandals took care of that, the markets and shopping streets of old sit for the most part empty, plus those buildings that held offices that took care of the paperwork for the surrounding heavy industries that operated in the area, also sit empty or have been converted to bars or restaurants.”

    Well, I think that came with the second abonimation as this side of the pond went like that side of the pond and dropped it’s resistance to the out of town mall, or John Hall’s ghastly Metro Centre and many others were thrown up under Thatcher. These malls are a prime example of what I was writing about before. A totally car based consumerist society which is deliberately designed to be as alienating and atomising as possible.

    That’s why I don’t mind being middle aged at all, this lot today are completely Donald Ducked. I really pity them.

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    avatar GS says:

    Worky @677: I had already thought about what I had said. On reflection, I should have taken it back because I had talked about work on here – mainly pointing out corruption and tax avoidance that I had seen in the good ole USA.

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