Toon v Rams match banter!

Posted on February 9th, 2010 | 244 Comments |

Ex Derby County and Scotland great, Archie Gemmill.
Ex Derby County and Scotland great, Archie Gemmill.
The Toon face Nigel Clough’s Derby County this evening at Pride Park. On the back of a comprehensive 5-1 demolition of promotion hopefuls, Cardiff City, and with the new lads seemingly gelling with the rest of the team straight away, the lads should be on a high. Derby are a well supported team with a decent sized stadium, especially for the Championship, and a good match atmosphere should await the away supporters making the trip to Derby.

The Rams have had a pretty dire season so far, and are currently lying 18th in the Championship table. However this may be deceptive as their form has picked up recently, most notably with a surprising victory over their local rivals, and our promotion rivals, Nottingham Forest. For a more in depth preview of the game, please check out Geordie Deb’s estimable match preview. Deb will also be at the game, and she will be writing a full match report in the fullness of time.

Once again, this match will not be covered on TV this evening, but if anyone has any good links for the game, please feel free to post them.

Howay the Lads!

Newcastle United: Steve Harper, Danny Simpson, Fitz Hall, Mike Williamson, Patrick van Aanholt, Wayne Routledge, Kevin Nolan (c), Danny Guthrie, Jonas Gutierrez, Andy Carroll, Leon Best.

Subs: Tim Krul, Tamas Kadar, Fabrice Pancrate, Peter Lovenkrands, Shola Ameobi, Ryan Donaldson, Alan Smith.

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244 Responses

  1. i reckon we’ll come out fighting… CH knows its the way forward, to give our intention for the rest of the season

    here’s hoping

  2. Shocker!!! 4-4-2

    NUFC: Steve Harper, Danny Simpson, Fitz Hall, Mike Williamson, Patrick van Aanholt, Wayne Routledge, Kevin Nolan (c), Danny Guthrie, Jonas Gutierrez, Andy Carroll, Leon Best
    Subs: Tim Krul, Tamas Kadar, Fabrice Pancrate, Peter Lovenkrands, Shola Ameobi, Ryan Donaldson, Alan Smith

  3. agree about loverman stevep,but they do have a few big lads at back,think he will get on in second half,1-3 i think

  4. i think that guthrie will be left out and nolan and smith start in the middle (should be one of them and guthrie) but that is who ch starts when they are fit also think lovens derserves a start ahead of best.

  5. Charlie Guthrie starts. Re Lovenkrands maybe he is going to be our super sub although I do feel for him, but I think CH will want to show Best he has a bit of faith in him

  6. Good point Dave – nothing like a blow to the confidence by getting dropped after your first game.

  7. oh thats good then. but surely loven will feel pretty crap that a player comes in and gets straight into the team ahead of him even tho he has great scoring record atm! glad to see ameobi not starting

  8. well he would look a plonker a bit if he dropped him after half a game might give best a lift big dave

  9. Big Dave says:
    February 9, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    “Archie Gemmill ? whats he got to do with the price of dairy products in the Falklands”

    Dave, erm, he was a famous Derby County player, and we’re playing Derby this evening. That was the strongest excuse I could come up with. Really though, I just like old photos of footballers in the ‘seventies.

  10. Big Dave – Aye, cut me some humble pie as I’ve just got it working :lol:

    I’ll still wait for the uStream one though.

  11. icedog I think Lovens a better player but I think Best could be a handy player tbh I never really seen the point of getting a striker in as it now means that we have Loven,Ranger and surprisingly strolla all on the bench

  12. Anyone else maybe think that Best’s power and strength maybe made the Cardiff defence more tired, enbling Lover to rip them when he came on?

    Just a thought.

  13. my thoughts ex toonsy,game was won when loverman came on as big dave says super sub,wonder why no ranger on bench

  14. Worky ;) good one mate. He was a hard wee Nut.
    Toonsy just save it in your Favs for future ref I dont use them as I get mine from the official site, but I sometimes try to find ones for bloggers on here

  15. Guys, any game that’s not on UK TV live will only ever be a radio stream in the championship. I thought after 28 games people would have got the hang of it….

  16. Big Dave says:
    February 9, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    “Worky good one mate. He was a hard wee Nut.”

    Aye, he was. Billy Bremner was probably the worst though. A 5’5″ defender and everyone was absolutely terrified by him!

  17. worky – Bring back metal studs, I’d make light work of Bremner with my old Gola boots :lol:

  18. The only thing holding this replicated team back from beating Cardiff with a similar performance is their own attitude’s – hope they can make the Cardiff win count and thrash these too!

  19. Toonsy-nah i missed it mate, what did he say? Gotta be honest, him getting cracked in the face with the ball whilst commentating the other week sounded absolutly hilarious.
    Sounds like we made a good break with Routledge early but have lost our way a little bit since then.

    Speaking of losing the way, anyone elses stream vanished?

  20. WBA winning – They could catch us pon goal differencve tonight. I think they’ll give Scun*horpe a real stuffing!

  21. Anyone else think that regardless of the 4-4-2 we’re seemingly playing our somewhat textbook defensive football away from home? By the sounds of the wireless we’ve shown nothing as far as an attacking force inside the first 20/25 minutes.

  22. Ross – I think it’s the old traditional ‘quieten the fans down for half hour’ cliche.

  23. blimey, stringing passes together. Our away form has been poor by comparison. No win since early december??!

  24. well we seem to be starting now I think it was Derby stopping us getting into it for the 1st half hr ;)

  25. Sounds like we’re coming into this now like. Need to take advantage of the spells of pressure though and find the net once or twice

  26. Bar the 5 minute spell of pressure we had at around the 30 min mark, we’ve done absolutly nothing attacking wise. Routledge again sounds the most dangerous attacking player on the field for us.

  27. If WBA score another they’ll be equal on points and GD and I think will be top on goals scored?

  28. Toon Chicken – How about the players creating a bit of positivity for us?

    Again, the players have started this game thinking they are the mutts nuts after 1 good win. It’s not on!

    Best needs to stop sodding whinging and get on with it!

  29. I know TGS – we scored 3 in 15 mins the other night and people are trying to write us off now with over half the game left! :/

  30. Yup TC there’s plenty of time yet. There’s plenty of things CH can mention in the talk too.

  31. ye steve that ice truckers is a load of shite im watching it aswell, i think we can still win this gutierrez needs to get in the game more and the goald sounded like best was covering for van aanholt? also y did they have a free header in the middle where were the centre backs

  32. we can still win – just need to sort out whos playing where – seem slike they seem a bit lost at the mo

  33. If cardiff are wound up does that mean they will be taken out of the football leauge straight away ? if so that would mean we loose the points we won against them does it not .

  34. Gutierrez needs to get involved more, Best sounds poor so far, Carroll aint done match, Guthrie not done much.

    Gateshead losing aswell.

  35. AXEL – Good point mate. So would the rest of the teams though wouldn’t they?

    As far as I’m aware, land with a value of £2 mill has been sold by the club which should nearly clear the tax issue up.

  36. Although I doubt they would get wound up in the middle of the season. They probably would get their gate reciepts cinvisgated though.

    Peter Ridsdale – Destroyer of football clubs!

  37. cardiff should just sell their new stadium and go back to their old one that should get them a few bob

  38. doubt they’ll take points away from teams – more likely cardiff will be forced into administration and get a 10 point penalty – they’ll have to sell their best players to pay hmrc

  39. Charlie – I think that’s what they’ve sold! I’m not even sure if they own their new stadium!

  40. i’m not listening to the game, could someone post a fair account of the first half?
    when did they score? was it fluke or did they rip us open?

    cheers big ears

  41. toonsy its a pretty boring stadium anyway their old one has more of an atmosphere i expect. did we just score a goal?

  42. @bigdave – zolas already been telling the press theres no chance and that sullivan should have talked to them before the players – sullivans a t0sser but he’s right about the players earning to much and a bunch of hangers on getting paid 50k a year for ferrying players to training!

  43. eastend – probably just about deserve to be 1-0 down. Started the 2nd half much better though.

  44. Charlie – Same with most new stadiums mate, Cardiff wasn’t that bad when I wen’t earlier in the season.

  45. Now thier is a club owner /chairman even worse than Fat Freddy and Ashley put together . does risdale get some sort of kick out of ruining clubs ?

  46. yeah toonsy i went earlier in the season aswell but the whole thing is just the smae found it pretty boring tbh. ahh i just turned the radio bk on and heard the ball in the net thought we had equalised

  47. Man Utd, Portsmouth, Notts County, Cardiff…

    … Maybe they need to take a page out of our book and get in an owner that loves money like a shipment of pies big enough to fill St. James’ Park ;)

  48. aye – jonas sounds like he’s having a poor game – as do most of the team to be honest, routledge sounds iike he’s giving it a go

  49. In all honesty a draw would be a decent result tonight, they seem to be a bogey team and we’ve come off a fantastic performance with high expectations, so to not drop all 3 points and instead savour one wouldn’t be that bad.

    Apart from the fact they now have a penalty. Great.

  50. AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH y we losing this game soooo annoying. wba be even on points with us after this even if we have game in hand but not looking very good compared to a few months ago

  51. We’ve been controlling the game seemingly and then a stupid foul has given them room to breathe. We’ve just had an effort cleared off the line. Seem to be pressurising again but we cant seem to find the net.

  52. Conceding 3 goals?
    I could probably accept a 1 goal loss, but a defensive peformance so poor, a team attitude so downbeat, negative, unfocused – complacent – to concede 3? We won’t look like the outright team for the league after this.

    Not the end of the world mind, we have plenty of games to make up the points and this league is noticably inconsistent and unpredictable – let’s hope a win in our next game will calm any fears of us ‘dropping off’.

  53. I think the saying goes ‘After the Lord mayors show’.

    He will get criticsed for playing a too attacking team now I suppose.

  54. TonyGreen said it ends 3-6
    Triple Change…CH must be reading Sir Bobby’s Autobiography :)

  55. we need colo back he steady’s things and we always lose without him, here comes ameobi to do nothing, if we concede another then swansea will really fancy it at the weekend

  56. Smart, lets put Smith in the middle to create something whilst chasing the game, brillaint idea.

  57. What’s happened is that we’ve played quite poorly, not unlike a lot of the season but we’ve been unable to sneak a goal. They have, and then Jonas gifted them a goal and momentum gets them another and then it’s game over.

    We’re not top of the league.

    Dust ourselves down and re-group.

  58. Lets be honest, this is embarrassing. We’ve sounded rubbish and we’re losing 3-0 to a team 18th in the league. I dont care what people say about the negative attitude of fans or whatever. It’s the attitude of the players that should be questioned. We’ve stamped Cardiff at home and they’re still clearly mulling over their final pint celebrating the previous victory because it sounds like we just havent bothered turning up tonight.

  59. Well, based on the radio comments it seems like the penalty will be discussed (given by the linesmen not the ref who was in a very good position apparently).

    Still, the 1st and 3rd goal came after bad defending.

  60. What is our problem with playing away to teams at the lower end the league?

    Scunthorpe/Sheff Wed/Derby/Barnsley

  61. ch is going to get a lot of critisism after this again sounds like he has got the tactics all wrong bringing 2 wingers to wing back and losing them attacking?

  62. By the sounds of real radio Mcloven has came on and is causing them problems. Making sensible runs and causing problems. Routledge has also sounded good, again. Seems an excellent buy. A clear foul on Routledge not given by the same linesman who apparently pulled Gutierrez up for a nothing challenge just moments ago.

  63. Suppose we got the formation we all wanted and it didn’t work today. Could it also be a case of the team fighting for their lives have just tried harder. The ref and linesman haven’t helped, but by the sounds of things, we just havent been good enough

  64. Let’s not forget lads, even if we had Shearer, Robson or Mourinho as manager this season, we would have lost games.

    It’s a shame we couldn’t have capitalised on leads we’ve had in the early half of the season, but this year is all about the rebirth of NUFC and it’s approach to the Premier League and how it’s run – we just need to be in a position to be promoted come the last day of the season, that’s all, and that will be Chris Hughton a hero in my eyes.

  65. Charlie – Hughton played the same team that beat Cardiff, the same team a lot of people wanted to see play!

    Hughton can’t take the blame for this one like, the blame lays firmly on the shoulders of the players on this one.

  66. It would be foolish and unfair to criticise CH for this performance.

    Too many of players have not turned up tonight.

  67. Charlie – That’s just picking fault though like. At the end of the day we were 3-0 down before the subs abd tactics were changed.

  68. Has to be a wake-up call. We were perhaps beginning to believe our own propaganda. However, it’s not unknown for a bad defeat to be followed by another good run – let’s hope so.

  69. The defence looked strong against Cardiff and we started quickly, got the goals and pushed on from there. Granted you dont really know what Cardiff are going to turn up, but the same can be said for us by the sounds of things. Obviously we cant judge Best yet either but from what i’ve seen/heard it looks like he’s going to need time to find his full swing because it doesn’t seem like he’s done much tonight. I will again praise Routledge, everything the wireless mentions about us going forward seems to be going through him.

  70. on my link, in the chat, no disrespect to if this is you but;

    Somebody called Duff469 said : Hughton summed himself up by signing Best on a 3 year deal.

    WHAT?! A player that’s only just played 2 games for us, and presuming he means that in a negative way – he’s already not good enough for us?

    Oh and the name doesn’t help.

  71. magpie6699 – Aye, it could spur us on or it could go the other way and kill us off.

    Either way, I’m sure there will be lots of interesting debate and falling out before saturday :lol:

  72. toonsy if we are trying to score a goal why put our only creative centre midfielder on the left where we know he doesnt work. and a player who can make an impact at left back? go 3 at the back surely?

  73. TonyGreenSupreme > It would be foolish and unfair to criticise CH for this performance.
    Too many of players have not turned up tonight.

    But you could say that the players know they will get away with it ?
    I just find the Subs at 3-0 down real strange, But on the brighter side I dont think this will do us much harm maybe more good than bad. ;)

  74. Charlie – So we do that and concede a 4th, then what? Sometimes we just have to accept defeat, limit the damage and move on.

    West Brom 2-0 up

  75. According to the radio we have been bereft of ideas tonight.
    Sounds familiar to me.

  76. Keep in mind however, we also have a game in hand over WBA and are currently level on points with them as far as i’m aware? Either way, we’ll need to bounce back on Saturday or it could all start to come undone for us quite quickly. Apparently Pompey are down to 10 men, with the scum down to 9. Dirty b@st@rds.

  77. Breaking News: The TOP TWO will be AUTOMATICALLY PROMOTED this season!!!!

    Howay man – ffs!! Dry yer eyes – quit yer pitty patter! We’ll go back top if we win our game in hand by a couple or 3. Anyone would think we’ve not just been on a 15 game unbeaten run.

  78. Forest will not stay in the hunt.

    We will go up with WBA.

    Have faith

    Bad night, we move on………

  79. TC – I don’t think it’s the 1st/2nd thing, I think the most of it is the state of the performance.

  80. I feel Hughton is going to get the abuse yet again after this match, even after doing EXACTLY what most fans asked for.

    Yet again, these players have proven they are big headed and full of themselves. It seems only Lovenkrands and Routledge are coming out of this one with any credit.

    The biggest thing stopping us getting promoted – ego. The players think they are all that and the fans boost that ego even more by talking about how the players will fare in the premier league and all that.

    Its disrespectful to the other teams in the league and it’s deluded. We will get smashed like this every now and again and if you look at recent history, is anyone shocked we’ve botched it against Derby?

  81. Toon Chicken- Granted its not like this loss has severly dented promotion hopes, but that doesn’t change the fact we’ve been outplayed by a team who started the night 18th in the league! I’m sure Hughton has mentioned in the past that we dont need to worry whats going on around us, merely keep performing to the best of our abilities. Well its not his fault, but we certanily didn’t do that tonight!

    We need a result on saturday to boost morale once again. You’d think a 5-1 hammering of a top four team at home would have given them enough fuel to keep on pushing tonight, but seemingly not. Move on i suppose, look to the next trip and 3 points. I can see us playing 4-5-1 next time out.

  82. toonsy 200
    Yeah – but if the players have got this “character” and “team spirit” they’re always telling us about, then they shouldn’t let one defeat in 16 equal a disaster, rather a wake-up call as I said.
    Be interesting to see CH’s tactics for Saturday against Swansea though. Bet we’re back to 4-5-1 sharpish!

  83. never mind a shit night we had too lose 1 so maybe them that were moaning aboot draws would haved loved too get 1 tonight

  84. wickywoowoo says:
    February 9, 2010 at 9:43 pm
    I feel Hughton is going to get the abuse yet again after this match, even after doing EXACTLY what most fans asked for.

    Yet again, these players have proven they are big headed and full of themselves. It seems only Lovenkrands and Routledge are coming out of this one with any credit.
    <<<<<< they win as a team they lose as a team none of them come out with any credit

  85. Valid point, but if we can single out special players in a good performance, its only fair we point out those who actually tried when we get gubbed.

  86. We will be using our game in hand over WBA on Saturday as they are in FA cup action.

    Forest are away to Donny on Saturday by the way.

  87. Saturday, 13 February 2010
    Swansea v Newcastle, 12:45

    Wednesday, 17 February 2010
    The Coca-Cola Football League Championship
    Newcastle v Coventry, 19:45

    Saturday, 20 February 2010
    Newcastle v Preston, 15:00

    Tuesday, 23 February 2010
    Reading v Newcastle, 20:00

    Saturday, 27 February 2010
    Watford v Newcastle, 15:00

    Saturday, 6 March 2010
    Newcastle v Barnsley, 15:00

    Saturday, 13 March 2010
    Middlesbrough v Newcastle, 15:00

    Wednesday, 17 March 2010
    Newcastle v Scunthorpe, 19:45

    Saturday, 20 March 2010
    Bristol City v Newcastle, 17:20

    Tuesday, 23 March 2010
    Doncaster v Newcastle, 19:45

    Monday, 29 March 2010
    Newcastle v Nottm Forest, 19:45

    Saturday, 3 April 2010
    Peterborough v Newcastle, 15:00

    Monday, 5 April 2010
    Newcastle v Sheff Utd, 19:45

    Saturday, 10 April 2010
    Newcastle v Blackpool, 15:00

    Saturday, 17 April 2010
    Plymouth v Newcastle, 15:00

    Saturday, 24 April 2010
    Newcastle v Ipswich, 15:00

    Sunday, 2 May 2010
    QPR v Newcastle, 13:00

  88. Balls, just posted our remaining fixtures but it’s awaiting moderation as I forgot to change ‘Scunny’ from it’s real name!

  89. To be fair, we’ve beaten Cardiff 5-1 at home in the game before this and broken the record of league games unbeaten, so I can take second place in the table for a week or so as long as we get back up top.

  90. AndyNUFC says:
    February 9, 2010 at 10:04 pm
    To be fair, we’ve beaten Cardiff 5-1 at home in the game before this and broken the record of league games unbeaten, so I can take second place in the table for a week or so as long as we get back up top

    >>>>>>>>>>>Andy, I’ll gladly settle for finishing the season in second place.

  91. toonsy says:
    February 9, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    “Balls, just posted our remaining fixtures but it’s awaiting moderation as I forgot to change ‘Scunny’ from it’s real name!”

    Are there any other towns containing very rude words?

  92. Like I said before TGS, this season is top and bottom all about just going back up. I would like the top spot for pride but in reality it doesn’t particularly matter as long as we go up. (Unless there’s a better financial reward for it?)

  93. workyticket says:
    February 9, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    “Are there any other towns containing very rude words?”

    Does Bristol count? As in Bristols? :lol:

  94. We really need to improve our away form, starting on Saturday at Swansea.
    I wonder if CH will revert to 4-5-1

  95. TGS – I’m not sure whether 4-5-1 or 4-4-2 is better? Either way it depends on what sort of mood our players are in apparently.

  96. workyticket says:
    February 9, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    “two tw*tts in the Orkneys and Shetlands”

    Ashley and Llambias gone on another casino jaunt? :lol:

  97. I am trying to remain upbeat regarding this defeat, players don’t deliberately play badly.

    Tonight was a collective poor team performance that happens every now and again to all teams.

    The test comes on Saturday when the players have the chance to bounce back as the games are coming thick and fast.

  98. I don’t see promotion happening-I said we would be knocked off the top..we should be smashing Shit like Derby.

  99. Kkkkrrrr, kkkkrrrrr-BLAM!

    Back down down to earth with a sickening THUD! after our record breaking run.
    Who’da thunk?

    C’est la Newcastle!