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Are the Bellagraph Nova Group all that they seem?

Posted on August 19th, 2020 | 32 Comments |

Bellagraph Nova Group
The Bellagraph Nova Group in Paris.
As Phaedrus once wrote: “Things are not always what they seem; the first appearance deceives many; the intelligence of a few perceives what has been carefully hidden.”

I have thought of Phaedrus’s wisdom more than once when investigating prospective new owners of Newcastle United. Who can forget Rick Parker’s infamous Mackem ‘fakeover‘ where a Sunderland supporting scallywag posed as ‘Richard Parkinson,’ a £250 million textile baron and offshore investor from Ponteland who declared an interest in buying the club for £90 million, promising to turn Newcastle United into a fan’s trust and reinstalling Alan Shearer as manager with a large transfer kitty. Then there was Barry Moat, the mysterious ‘Capital Group’ and several others…

Now I may be wrong, but the latest group linked with a takeover of the Magpies, the Bellagraph Nova Group, seem to be another rather odd contender too. For example, they say their HQ is 10 Place Vendome in Paris, a highly prestigious address like Fifth Avenue in New York or Bond Street in London. However, on closer inspection, 10 Place Vendome is a large office rental space renting many offices to many different clients. It is one of those places where companies who want to seem far more important and prestigious than they really are hire a small office, or even just a ‘virtual’ office or mailbox etc at a highly prestigious central location in one of the great cities of the world so they can use it on their letterhead, online etc to impress potential clients.

As well as this they had only 25 followers on Facebook, 227 on Instagram and 768 on Twitter last time I checked, nearly all coming from Newcastle United fans and media groups since their interest in Newcastle United was revealed. Their site claimed $12 billion in revenue in 2019 from 31 ‘entities’ employing 23,000 people but there is no further explaination, eg are these ‘entities’ owned by the group, part owned, or just managed?

Pretty much everything about them seems to be meaningless corporate PR speak with no substance, eg:

“The strength of our group lies in our individual ability to influence the international community.

“We are creators of new opportunities. We influence the world and we push it towards new and positive horizons.

“​Our emblem is the butterfly, the symbol par excellence of endurance and perennial metamorphosis.

“We run into the future and we do it faster than anyone else.”

If they really tried to run faster than anyone else into the future, I think they would actually slow down time but that’s a story for NUFC blog’s physics correspondent.

What is more concrete is that this conglomerate was founded by three former bankers, Nelson and Trevor Loh from Singapore, cousins who both worked for JP Morgan, and the Chinese Evangeline Shen who used to work for Morgan Stanley. The Loh’s went on to form the DORR Group, a private equity group which has been described as “an established consortium with diverse investment holdings across multiple industries, such as healthcare, financial holdings, consumer technology, and luxury lifestyle. Meanwhile, Evangeline Shen, formed the Bellegraph group, described as “an established multinational company that has business activities across various industries, such as Luxury, Consumer Lifestyle, Financial services, and Real Estate.”

However, when trying to delve deeper, everything just gets into repetition of the same kind of vacuous PR nonsense of the kind quoted above, for instance they also claim to be a “360 degree lifestyle platform on the world stage” whatever that means? Nothing seems to be ‘real.’ I’m not saying that these individuals are not highly successful entrepreneurs who have built up a significant portfolio of investments, but I fear from previous experience as a Newcastle United fan of long standing that they could be another group using Newcastle United takeover speculation as an entree into the worldwide coverage the English Premier League and its gossip receives.

But I may be wrong.

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32 Responses

  1. “We run into the future and we do it faster than anyone else.”

    If they really tried to run faster than anyone else into the future, I think they would actually slow down time but that’s a story for NUFC blog’s physics correspondent.

    Hugh, you are our physics correspondent, what is your view?

  2. It’s true, time slows down with speed, although you have to be travelling at an appreciable percentage of the speed of light to notice much. From the perspective of a photon, no time passes at all between it leaving its source and arriving at its destination.

  3. Chuck, I have posted my reply to you here as the blog you posted your last comment on is very old now

    Atomisation. When people are atomised, broken apart from each other, they gravitate towards alternative solutions, a world where things are at least consistent and logical within their own bubble, even though they have lost touch with a reality which is highly complex and hard to grasp within an atomised society. They turn to the strong man who will get things done, who will ‘Get Brexit Done,’ who will ‘Make America Great Again.’

    This atomisation has been done deliberately in the interests of control, to break up things that make people who have little power as individuals powerful through collective action, such as the Trade Unions you mention, but it can have disastrous consequences, as we saw in the 20thC with two world wars and several genocides.

  4. Worky

    I fail to understand whatever it is you meant to pass on, it’s all very vague and the only ones actually mentioned in your statement, are Trade Unions .
    Do you include them in your statement or do they just appear as part of an inclusive “Atomized” grouping, two world wars and several genocides indeed ?
    Actually possibly the most active of countries involved in those
    disasters, perhaps you should check out the country that has either
    declared war or is responsible for the millions of deaths from both wars and punitive actions against colonies reaching in the tens of millions or more, and shipped so called coolies to all parts of the world to replace those who refused to work for the empire, which also supplied soldiers to the Raj in two ww’s.
    Plus the various so called famines which took place in Ireland and India, which some may have an inkling about which between them amounted to at least five million deaths, though I fail to understand how they could have been named famines while exporting foodstuffs from both areas.
    Sounds more like a description of genocide to me , no ?

    Though the present heads of states of both the UK&US do fit the bill, bullies who will do anything to maintain in control, though neither justifies his ability to either understand the job requirements, playing it by ear and leading their respective nations to ruin.
    I mean with what justification can either of these incompetents use in regard to antagonize other countries and trade groups by constantly criticism.
    The fact the US can take care of this question through future regimes (hopefully Biden will have the common sense to renew old alliances) whereas Boris will continue to play it by ear, digging a hole for future PM’s and working according to WTO rules, with no attempt to solve the remaining trade issues with the ROI even attempted.
    Yes he figures his bulldozing ability is for others to deal with and
    act as if the ROI being a former colony can be ignored , instead of realizing it’s now part and parcel of the EU.
    Certainly such issues as fishing and cross border and customs relationships with one of the UK’s last colonies, the statelet of NI, will remain an issue which only time and the voting public , can solve, which is also inevitable.
    And to remove themselves from NI , could be an unexpected action
    that could be a cause for the two islands off the coast of Europe, in regards to both personal friendship and trade, which is not insignificant, get this done before the Scotts finally decide to split and are confident finally to paddle their own canoe, which I believe is assured and not that far away.
    As for NUFC, not another season where due to our owners not willing to reduce an overpriced club, the side will again provide lousy football (get a real manager) and struggle to remain in the EPL.
    How do the fans put up with it puzzles me to no end.
    Ah well !

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  5. OK then, Chuck, people who feel isolated, who don’t feel like they have a stake in society. A society in which individuals are disconnected from each other is the society most likely to fall to extreme alternatives. I’ll let you speak for your side of the pond but I think that Trump is a symbol of societal atomisation. Over here, society has become more and more atomised since the days of Thatcher, Reagan and the new political consensus of Neoliberalism. It’s a dangerous game.

    Yes, 19th Century Imperialism did play a role in the horrors of the 20th Century in Europe in terms of race thinking and such but all you ever want to do is turn every bloody discussion into a rant about British Imperialism! It was a Europe wide phenomenon. It was also a phenomenon of Capitalism and the Industrial Revolution. The first genocide of the 20th Century was carried out by Germans in Namibia. Dr Mengele’s mentor, Dr. Eugene Fischer used to carry out hideous medical experiments on Namibian children too.

  6. Worky
    Yes and you can expect more documentaries in regard to the history of “The Empire” which has never yet been attempted, apart from those which rarely reach a large enough audience,
    Just think of the money that could be generated by a grand version of “The Empire” by the well funded “Beeb” like the big house series that was so popular in the US, “Upstairs and downstairs,” “Downton Abbey” etc.
    Though it would no doubt be very careful to project a history that reflects the “Nial Ferguson” version whitewashing the Empires history.
    We , or many of us reject out of hand Fergusons version of Empire
    as it appears and though a decent scholar, like most he fails to include the savage treatment and wholesale plundering of the colonies, no doubt purposely, resulting in his version of what he claimed to have taken place as the truth and in exchange concentrated on the regular nonsense of educating the natives and providing law and order, healthcare and in general improving the lives of those living within the boundaries of “The Empire”, which we are all aware is nonsense.
    And yes I’m just as tired of your history and not a particular fan of
    “American exceptionalism” or “manifest destiny”, a fancy name for grab it quickly, we being the stronger. Hell it worked in both the Caribbean and Philippines, but unfortunately was both the wrong period of time, which was close to the ending of colonization.
    Too bad you lost the American war of independence, because of taxation without representation.
    What an Empire that would have been !
    PS, did the documentary in any way influence your opinion of what actually took place or are you satisfied with the governments propaganda. ?

    which used the same tactics, taking over half of Mexico combine this with manifest destiny

    and attacking the then decrepit Spanish Empire and retaining those islands in the Caribbean and the Philippines.

    And yes you mention “The Mau Mau”and Kenya, a ten year plus
    uprising that ended up with Jomo Kenyatta signing the agreement .
    And yes most thought of Kenyatta as the father of the country, however the fact is he was the UK’s “ace in the hole”and while others were both killed and tortured in the various concentration camps, Jomo was quite comfortable.
    Which is no more than a nugget when compared to the Empires
    other colonies, which is no doubt that the only attempt at whitewashing the history

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    left the wealthy immigrants in retention of lands the lands previously owned by the kikuyu tribe and too this day use the former owners as low paid workers

  7. Chuck, do you remember a film called ‘Simba‘ starring Dirk Bogarde? It was about the Mau Mau and the Mau Mau charcters in the film were played by real Mau Mau who had been arrested. After the film they were taken away and shot. The link above is to the full film. It’s stunningly offensive. Dirk Bogarde should have been shot for appearing in it.

    I think that Mau Mau is one of those phony, scary sounding names, like when you Yanks kept referring to the Vietnamese NLA/NLF by the deliberately scary sounding name, “Viet Cong.” They never called themselves the ‘Viet Cong’ and I don’t think that the Mau Mau ever referred to themselves by that name neither.

  8. Worky
    yes of course, “give a dog a bad name”we are all aware of how that works !
    As for the truth of what took place in Kenya has been disputed for years by those that imposed their will on a people who had previously owned the country.
    Using concentration camps and torture, in attempts to quell the movement of Kenyans to rid themselves of these recent wealthy immigrants and attempt to regain their land.
    Mostly consisting of former soldiers returning home having been used as British allies during ww2.
    Until recently this had been denied by most British Governments and the official records of torture and death are highly suspect, with possibly more than double or more, all of course denied until recently when a few Kikuyu sued for offenses and received a pittance in answer.
    Oh ! that we could have access to official British records
    which no doubt is a condemnation of “The Empire” and it’s treatment of those incorporated into that Empire and attempts to hold onto them, and the wealth appropriated from them, which was as anyone can see a failure, the Commonwealth being the best they could come up with,
    Which has been basically ignored by former colonies.
    It’s over seventy odd years since the end of WW2, more or less the beginning of the end of colonialism and many former colonial nations adopted certain parts or colonies (yes. those with a good number of white people) France and The

    Netherlands, with the same lifestyles and laws of the mother country.
    Whereas most of the former lands of any consequence,
    (Read white dominated) had already been granted (Dominion status) Australia, Canada , New Zealand and Ireland.
    As for the future without the EU markets the country no longer a manufacturer of any degree having gone from an industrial nation to a service industry, I have no idea who’s idea this was, but it aint gonna work and when
    continuing as a single country attempting to create new
    trading partners under WTO trade rules, fugedaboudit !

    As for the term “Mau Mau”the naming is somewhat confused whereas “Viet Cong” simply refers to the underground army of South Vietnam, “Charlie” being the most commonly used term by the US military.

    As for Dirk Bogarde and Simba, possibly a propaganda
    film that I missed, thank goodness, he must have been a bit short of cash at the time,

    Ah well Dirk, that doesn’t make you a bad actor !

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  9. Well here we are again, with our grand new editions, no not the ones we could have had if the sale had gone unopposed by the clubs in the top six (the prevailing rumor) which sounds like the likeliest of the rumors, being they being the clubs most effected.
    As for the deals around the present players both those signed and those under scrutiny look like a decent group, doubtful whether they can achieve much more than the crowd before them, but in with a better chance of avoiding relegation.
    I just don’t get it ?
    What ?
    Why now that the sale and it’s rumors have gone away, that our owner has decided to spend a few quid on rebuilding, so far the incoming group appear to be either veterans of the EPL, with youngsters also being looked at.
    A side that can survive the dreaded term relegation, a group which we have belonged too for the last five or so years. not very impressive and not exactly playing a very pleasing style of football.
    However there are plenty of billionaires still without a side in the EPL and following the failure of the recent sale agreed upon by both parties but objected too obviously by top of the division sides, they being aware of the increased competition it will bring.
    A stupid move by those members involved, which will eventually be disclosed, as will as the reasons for objecting to the sale.
    Which could be reflected within the bidding on other Saudi deals
    consisting of over three hundred billion $ which is earmarked to be
    spent to rebuild the country into a member of a modern society with all of the bells and whistles that reflect a modern society from a tribal kingdom dominated by one family .
    Well I guess we can relax and spend another season watching another lower half of the league side, but I have to say that Bruce has certainly done better than expected with this signings and hopefully our Dear Leader finds another Billionaire on the lookout for a football club, hopefully one in the North East, no not Sunderland though I would have no objection to their returning to the EPL.

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  10. Atomisation
    Sure ! one can find them on the train, crossing busy streets who cannot resist the glances they give to their smart-phones every few minutes, there must be a wealth of rubbish that is exchanged between those involved.
    That’s the present danger to most Smart Phone (SP) users, or as you describe to-days users
    Then to prove how important it is Apple recently published it’s net worth at over two billion.
    The Information involved is basically supplied by the users who pay little attention to what they divulge, that has the ability to become a passport, drivers license, personal history, education and medical record, in fact a complete history which is also contained as a personal history by governments, who’s purpose is to get the low down on everyone.
    It’s attraction is beyond belief , with just about everyone rich , poor and in between, which in certain circumstance is essential to complete certain tasks once done by question and answer, or on a written sheet.
    Notice for instance when arriving at a medical facility one is handed an I-pad which is in fact a questionnaire which is used as a replacement for a pen and sheet of paper.
    But how atomized are we take for instance the solid south, a

    Democratic stronghold consisting of the states of the Deep South .
    voting so because of the fact Lincoln was a Republican and since
    the civil rights movement signed into law by President. Johnson
    in 1965, is still the solid south only it votes as a solid block republican .
    How atomized is that ?
    Of course there are just too many well organized people , those in religion, workers unions , and hundred of societies, but laws change and unless one is familiar with to days electronic machines
    will be forced to produce certain information and if necessary forced to learn certain procedures, in order to implement society’s
    rules and regulations.
    Were I younger I doubt this lifestyle we presently supposedly enjoy compared with the years that have passed by are filled by the introduction of a constant flow of credit cards, each using a different way to pay, some you tap, others insert and end up with the same end result, use your cell phone stupid.
    My belief is the future without a smart-phone is impossible .
    as it will be your identity, like some robot from another age.

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  11. Had we not been exposed to a deal that would make NUFC the wealthiest club in the EPL, agree to terms with
    the prospective buyer then wait for months to activate the deal, then to be told by some fall guy representative of the EPL, that the KSA were the problem, actually to ensure that the actual Government of the KSA were not
    involved via calling any deals to be made, which in reality has been imposed by objections of those top earning clubs in the EPL, who object to another club about to replace them or compete with them.
    It’s my belief that had the club, Ashley and the Saudi’s,
    should have taken the matter to court, being the buyers were found innocent of any crime or misdemeanor and
    would have decided to buy only to be told they had to provide proof of who in fact would be in charge of the
    decisions the actual club owners or the Saudi government.
    Something that is apparently something totally new, which could have come to light in a serious court case and perhaps resulted in a few owners and representatives of the top clubs to make a run for shelter.
    However the Saudi’s still have time and money to spend but obviously not on court cases or anything thing that portrays them in a poor light.
    Ah Well !

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    Gives one an idea of how bent professional football is at present, when supposedly UEFA and FIFA remain, following the supposed cleaning up of the corrupt system was never completed.
    Yeah some of the old heavies were fined and some spent time in jail, but not enough to clean up the organizations
    general corruption, face it any business that deals in big money earnings and especially during the transfer windows, is a major target for the pimps and hangers on, never mind the well paid lawyers on retainers.
    Which if you are wondering why the NUFC -Saudi deal was about try asking any of the present owners of those within the top eight sides or the wealthiest clubs who saw a threat to the presence of another wealthy club competing against them. .

  12. Aye, it’s all starting off again, Chuck, did you read all of that letter from Richard Masters to Chi Onwurah?

    https://chionwurahmp.com/2020/08/premier-league-ceo-richard-masters-responds-to-chis-letter/

    Pitchforks are being sharpened, torches are being lit once more. As an MP, Onwurah’s carrying the banner for the fans but she’s not the kind of person who would want the Saudis running anything.

    You just have to let it go, Chuck. Newcastle United is like a tragi-comic opera that never ends. It’s the curse of the Gallowgate or whatever.

    The Mau Mau are on the TV AGAIN. It’s a shame you can’t get BBC4 over there, it’s just non-stop Mau Mau at the moment. It’s moving on to Biafra now.

    Re Apple, I think you’ll find it’s worth a hell of a lot more than two billon! maybe two trillion? I don’t know. Was it Amazon or Apple who was the world’s first trillion $ company? That didn’t seem very long ago. Apple is losing its direction again, it’s no longer breaking records, Jobs is dead and Tim Cook is a boring man with no vision. That’s me trying to think like someone who is interested in Apple anyway. I think they’re an evil cult who brainwash all their users.

  13. Worky
    Well it’s about time the remnants of the Empire fessed up to the horrors of their past, otherwise it would be left to those like Nial Ferguson and possibly backed up by the literati from Oxbridge, that would be those opposing the removal of racist Cecil Rhodes statue presently at Oxford.
    Had they listened to Liverpool MP Bessie Braddock, at that time they would have have realized the future would be one of a constant struggle with those demanding independence from the Empire and the truth concerning Kenya would become known to those who were victims of British propaganda.

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    Two trillion or six zillion we are using to-days numbers as if they had been only recently invented, but for one company to reach two trillion in such a short period of time is in itself amazing
    Obviously you don’t care about Apple products, they are so far ahead of the average producers, their products are the result of so much thought and seldom attacked or hacked, in fact years ahead, possibly the most copied
    products ever

    As for the Sale, if Ashley and the Saudis don’t take their case to the courts, shall the EPL then decide whatever they want in regard to who can become an owner when it’s proven both they and the seller are in agreement to a deal and the fact the Saudi government may be that owner, whats the difference, as no crimes or misdemeanors have taken place and the fact there are already those with titles within the Emirates who openly admit to owning EPL clubs plus those that have club in other countries, I mean whats so special about The Saudi’s, other than the objections of the top and wealthiest clubs not to have to compete with them.
    Ah you say, because the Saudi’s are bombing Yemen (yes with the aid of British bombers and British operated
    guidance systems) but is that any different from the fact Britain has been killing the people from Afghanistan for the last fifteen years ??? a stupid return to take over a country that has little in the way of resources, which
    destroyed the Empires last invasion during the nineteenth century, with only one returning, I’m sure you are all familiar with the sketch of the sole survivor riding a half dead horse, sent deliberately by the “Wiley Pathan”named by a former Gurkha officer serving on the North West Frontier between the wars.

    And just because the EPL has certain rules does not mean the are sacrosanct they can be challenged in a court of law and can also be described as a force to prevent trade, meaning lets get to the bottom of this plot and see who the main culprits are, not just fade away as I’m sure there is closer to two hundred thousand fans than a mere one thousand odd fans who want to know the reason/s for the months of delay that ended when
    the Saudi’s had had enough of the leagues delaying tactics.

  14. A good start to the season, a fairly convincing 2-0 victory over a team who should be about the same as us with two of the new players on the scoresheet, hopefully that will take your mind off the Saudis and the Mau Mau, Chuck? That new left back from the Canaries seemed to have a decent game too.

    Your sweetheart at Leeds certainly had a go against Liverpool, that was a really exciting game, as the 4-3 scoreline suggests.

    Apple have always been a closed system and they rip you off something rotten. I never liked the mouse with only one clicker and you could never get quite as much software for them neither.

  15. Well seeing as I missed the game (same old crap with every main network that takes over “the soccer thing” and the boring commentators with their shrill voiced mediator.
    I projected the fact NUFC would win, not being a fan of WHU, though they bought a decent youngster in Rice, who I believe will move on, being too good for WH.
    Like to see him come to the Magpies.
    Well three points is a good start and one has to include Steve Bruce in the praise as I understand the ten men behind the ball approach has been abandoned, but not entirely, looking at the possession figures.
    Some fans are still considering this as another season of
    playing catenaccio style football, but hopefully Bruce can save that for the top six sides and turn Wilson and others
    into a decent attacking force, being to now serve up a repeat of last seasons tactical game, ten men behind the ball would be an insult to the fans.
    After all the club has a decent goalscorer, speed and a yet to decide where he wants to play midfielder, also our
    playmaker with the occasional goal or two, yeah John-Joe Shelvey, though I suggest we keep an eye out for an up and coming playmaker as he will need replacing soon enough.
    Guess our dear leader has joined in following the success of business deals so far and may have enough pocket change to invest further, almost like the year he invested in Sissoko and the other Frenchmen that raised
    a profit from selling on, hell we might have to give the old scout a call.
    On the other hand , Boris has been warned by former PM’s not to attempt to bully his way to an agreement in the present negotiations for a Brexit, that such tactics are an attempt to force the EU to finally accept his bullying and not too bright decisions, which if he continues will definitely end with a NO DEAL and like the recently celebrated agreement made outside of Brexit, the Japanese treaty, which is no different from the previous deal, but hey, you gotta make if sound good.
    But the people of NI voted (around about 60%) to stay within the EU and are getting what they voted for , subsidies from both sides, yet continue to milk The EU &
    the UK for whatever they can get, it’s like looking after a family of
    sick people, which could last until the native Irish become politically dominant and vote to re-unite with The Republic, which demographically may be in the immediate future .
    The only question is would most residents vote themselves out of The National Health System?

  16. Chuck, you’re a hindsight Nostradamus, confidently predicting the result after the event!

    It was a difficult one to call, two ‘old school’ British managers of similar vintage with squads of a similar kind of level.

    I must admit that I’m quite interested in ‘Dirty Leeds’ now though after what I saw. Bielsa only has a budget team, and unless he brings in some good new signings soon, even if he only keeps them up this season, he’s done his job. They went out there like they were Liverpool though.

    It was 55.8% who voted to remain in Northern Ireland. I thought it was around 55% so I checked. If Ireland took on Northern Ireland, they would also be taking on a large deficit for a small country, the Protestants would kick off as well.

  17. And yes my main man Bielsa did an incredible job with his players and as things turned out, we ended up watching a decent game where Citeh didn’t really dominate and were lucky in fact to a degree,
    I can see where with the right players Bielsa could end up as one of the most successful EPL managers.

    As for Brexit, it appears Boris and his gang of a nowhere cabinet are about to insist in changing an earlier agreement and was heavily criticized by not only the ROI PM, but by ex-British PM’s Major and Blair in a statement which I quote (“cavalier bombast passing as serious diplomacy”) though Boris claims it’s an insurance policy, to insure what !
    Look I hope the UK get the deal they want, but I’m also sure there are those that rue the day they voted so.
    As for NI already a statelet that is loosing jobs steadily, to rely on the UK for subsidies in order to make work for the average working person, better for the UK, to just hand it back to the Irish and kiss ass to the Scotts hoping they won’t leave whatever is left of the Empire, amazing the changes that took place by globe makers, removing those pink areas down to England and Wales , well they can relax now it will only be accomplished before long, but if Boris continues to ask to re- do earlier contracted deals, the UK may find itself the only country working under WTO rules and paying for access to the EU markets via tariffs.

  18. I have to admit I owe an apology to Mr Bruce, whom I had thought no more of than BSA or any one of those I referred to as “a retread”, you know the guys sixtiish, not that smart but who fed off relegation heading sides, playing a set piece defensive side, who’s job it was to score from set pieces, mostly corners.
    And though Bruce has yet to show us an inspirational style of football, not quite yet, but having goal-scorers
    and some interesting players, we are willing to wait and see how he may play this year, if he still plays a defensive ten men behind the ball,” fugedaboudit” !
    I may change my mind !
    However I doubt he’s gonna have anything like the side he wants and I have yet to see the club play a decent game of football and still feel it’s unlikely, not this guy .
    I also have a feeling we will be picked up by an interested buyer, being our beloved owner needs the money for his other ventures, I suppose it’s possible that the recent deal with the Saudis can be resuscitated if they remain interested and as a socialist the term for rich person remains, Thief !

  19. Bielsa reminds me of Erich Honeker’s old slogan: “Vorwärts immer, rückwärts nimmer!” (Forwards always, backwards never!). The Leeds fans certainly seem to like him so far. Despite an impressive start (and despite losing), he is still going to have to bring in some more players. He’s brought in some fancy forward from Valencia but most of the side is Championship. They are one of the bottom two in terms of squad value, though he has quite a few very young players who are still unknown quantities.

    Saturday evening certainly wasn’t a five at the back ‘park the bus’ arrangement, it was 4-4-2. West Ham seemed to have slightly more of the ball if anyone did, but it was roughly even. It was also roughly even in terms of shots etc but we took our chances and they didn’t. It’s beatable Brighton next and then Spurs, but a currently underperforming Spurs under Mourinho. If we beat Brighton and get six points in the bag, that would be a good excuse to have a right go at the bigger side rather than going back to trench warfare.

  20. Chuck, on the subjest of ‘retreads’ as you call them, you shouldn’t always write people off. Remember Mauricio Sarri at Chelsea? For many years he was a lower league no hoper, a bottom feeder. He was a very mature manager when he got a chance with a serie B side called Empoli, got them promoted, kept them up, then the much bigger Napoli took a chance on him. He was like Keegan there, very close but no cigar, though he did win Serie A manager of the season. After that he came to Chelsea and won the Europa League, then Juventus and the Serie A title. Fairytales can come true! Someone could write a decent Hollywood screenplay about Sarri’s rise from the bottom to the top.

  21. Unfortunately we here little news from our TV providers they haven’t gone out of their way to inform us concerning how to catch the weekend or any other scheduled EPL games, well perhaps they did but I certainly wasn’t made aware of it.
    Anyhow all I got were highlights, apparently the Newcastle game was late and only available through streaming. ah well !
    It appears to be a misprint to see the club placed so high
    in the league standings, don’t worry ain’t gonna be for long, though I have a feeling we may not be a side that reaches any particular heights, but I doubt we will be threatened by fears of relegation.
    Naturally we have to be aware that there is still a chance that the sale may yet occur, though unlikely, but there’s always that chance that some billionaire may see the point of investing, after all the Saudis are not the only
    people, with money.
    Whats the difference, if we had a super rich owner we would be disappointed with a mere winning season, wanting a cup or championship, but as we presently are
    we are happy enough to finish within the top ten.
    We did decently in the market, which was lucky, now lets see how good our manager can school the players we got, hopefully not like the last ten years where survival within the EPL has been essential and the only way to achieve it was to put ten men behind the ball.
    I would rather ignore football than watch that kind of awful game, got it Steve ?

  22. Chuck, as you missed the game, one of the new boys, Hendrick from Burnley (signed on a free) was the man of match. He didn’t register much with me before but his debut for the Magpies was outstanding. He provided the assist for Callum Wilson’s goal (who was also good) and scored himself. The new left back, Jamal Lewis also looked like a talented young player as well. We’ll probably see Ryan Fraser (also free) in the next game. Ashley’s got some more more bargains like that time he hoovered up French players like Sissoko for next to nothing.

  23. Another debutant signed on a free (Ryan Fraser) and another goal, though it wasn’t a great game by all accounts with Bruce sending out the reserves for the most part. Blackburn played well for a Championship side too.

  24. Worky
    yeah ! I saw Hendricks play before but paid little attention, though he appears to be a regular for the ROI, but the two ex Bournemouth
    players for a combined fee of 20M. was a decent trade, don’t know about the defender but he’s young and will no doubt end up a decent wing back, hopefully he can also play on the right as Yedlin is heading back to the MLS.. but I never thought he was much of a defender, had good pace but thats about it.
    I believe there’s been an improvement to the side, which could mean we don’t have to play that unbearable defensive game, though Bruce was a defender himself and it’s natural for him to set up defensively.

    The two ex Bournemouth players, our French winger combined with the pace of our South American forward could be enough to scare most sides, combine that with a couple of good wing backs and there’s your attacking force, (though I still believe we need to improve ) could be enough to keep us comfortably around the middle of the league.
    And I guess we may try hard for a cup, no not the FA Cup, a cheaper one perhaps the League cup or whatever they call it nowadays.
    And I still believe there may be a mega Billionaire awaiting his opportunity to purchase the club, why not !

    Hey our dear leader needs the cash to buy another box store , so he will be up against Amazon and other on line sellers, which I remember buying cheap copies of paperbacks, thinking these
    people will go broke before long, boy was I wrong and as technology increases there will be those who check things out at the box stores and buy on line, a delivery is almost instantaneous.
    At least we can relax, having what I think is a fairly well balanced side that can almost guarantee a mid table finish.

    through

  25. I’m no expert on Hendricks but I would guess that he was brought in for his utility in midfield, he can be plonked pretty much anywhere in the middle of the field, defensive mid, central mid, attacking mid and winger.

    As for Ashley and is ‘box stores’, I think he’s trying to go upmarket, after all, he certainly couldn’t go downmarket! Sports Direct is now the ‘Fraser’s group’ from the formerly respectable ‘House of Fraser’ department store chain he bought, along with ‘Flannels’ which sells fancy designer gear from all the names. Maybe he’ll end up like Trump, ie knock down many of the shops and build what you Yanks might call ‘uptown condominiums’ or something like that? Maybe even a few casinos too?

    I don’t know about the States but I remember the fall of the ‘Net Book Agreement‘ in the 1990s over here, which happened at the same time as the rise of the WWW and of course, the rise of Amazon. Yes, the delivery is very efficient, but that’s probably because the drivers are electrocuted remotely if they’re five minutes late and docked a month’s wages. These so-called ‘disruptors’ have billons behind them and are willing to run at a big loss for years to achieve market domination (see Uber), then, when they have a monopoly, it’s no more mister nice guy and the prices get ratchetted up.

  26. Well what-a-ya -know, at a glance it appears we agree on summit !
    And though I think we have improved the side to the point we may not have to watch what it appears to be Bruces one and only match plan, that of defending constantly and hoping the side may score on either a breakaway or set piece.
    Not something anyone would want to watch for a full season !
    Lets see what happens, being it is far too early to make assumptions .
    And by the way I suggest you check out the Beeb’s
    Culture section.
    Again I’m ahead of the crowd as it’s about Empire and truthful history, but carefully tucked away in the culture
    section, so as only those who like myself stumbled on it
    got to read it, which is almost a case of ,
    “we printed it you must have missed it”
    But why at this particular time ?
    Being they have not really done anymore than admitting
    a certain amount of blame and in turn blaming the times
    that existed as the main culprit.
    ah well , I’m not aware of whoever conjured up the title of “Perfidious Albion” but whoever it was ended up with the most authentic title, as history tells continues to tell us.

  27. Chuck, that isn’t true. That has been the game plan a fair bit of the time but not all the time. Where I would criticise both Bruce and Benitez is their spurning of Gayle in favour of the big target man approach. It was a harder argument to make with Rondon but Joelinton was useless, and Almiron was goalshy for ages too. Maybe he was under pressure from above because Ashley blew £40 million on Joelinton but I don’t know. When you can’t score you have to defend.

    ‘Perfidious Albion’ was the French of course (who else?) But only because they were just like us. They had their colonies and their slaves too, as did most of Europe, but we were better at fighting than them. The ‘Seven Years War’ was the big crunch game to decide who was the king of the jungle, and our little spat in a fairly unimportant colony called the ‘United States’ was a bit of French revenge for losing the world cup final of war to the British.

    I will make a recommendation to you for some reading on Imperialism if you are really interested in it, though I may have done so already, J.A. Hobson’s ‘Imperialism: A study,’ which is without a doubt the greatest book on the subject.

  28. Worky
    Well I’m kinda engaged with the book”The People” described on the cover of as the rise and fall of the working class. that and an account of the voyage of an opium smuggling former slaver in the late nineteenth century and named “Sea of poppies” plus the history as seen through the eyes of the only Indian writer to counter
    the pro Empire novel, Nial Ferguson’s version of “Empire” I get bored by reading the same story from start to finish, unless it’s unusually good.
    And yes I think our manager has done a decent job in getting rid of mostly unused bodies, but what about our
    expensive center forward. With all of his goals yes all two, I would certainly fire whoever recommended that deal and our super fast forward from South America , hell he’s not much better, kinda like his predecessor the Spanish kid brought from Spain, who after a number of seasons was found to be a flash in the pan, bring back the one scout that did bring in some excellent players, the guy with the permanent ticket to France and Spain.
    As for Bruce, he got lucky as far as trades are concerned
    but will never be a leading manager, he has a better side than last years bunch, but I doubt if he can decide the necessary tactics, I mean compare him to Bielsa who gave Liverpool a scare in the first of this seasons games,
    which included most of his championship side, give this guy some money and he could be dangerous.
    Though one veteran stated he had played for him a few years back and considered him to be a hard taskmaster
    with the same tough training and found little to be happy about during games, described as it’s hard and not a lot of fun, repetition day after day and was glad when they eventually parted company.
    Soh ! how about a tenth to fifteenth place finish, there’s too much talent at St. James’to be relegated , but they are going nowhere either.
    And I doubt they will be working for a new boss if Ashley
    needs to sell.
    But ok I will give “Imperialism”a look also.

    .

  29. Unfortunately we still need a regular striker, our Brazilian
    goalscorer has not cut the mustard and doesn’t look like he can, meaning don’t be afraid to sell the guy and admit
    to the fact someone screwed up on this deal and has to go.
    No point in keeping this guy and come to think about it, we can dump Almiron also, lots of pace but no goal scoring talent .
    So why not renew the seasonal train ticket for the guy that brought in some decent Dutch and French players,
    And of course we need a defender and a holding midfielder, though our new guy is excellent at both games, which makes him quite valuable, Hendrickson, who has a goal and an assist already.
    But this club is far from being a side we can be proud of, which is why we have to develop our youngsters and what about the two Shank bro’s. couldda had thirty grand for one from Man. U., but I guess we can use them and if that’s the case FFS use them.
    Cant say I agree with the present rules concerning loans, which only benefits the big clubs, especially Chelsea who have them in numbers.
    With other clubs forced to pay their wages and have them recalled when needed, stock- piling players and getting them Premiership training, not a bad deal, is it ?

    Unfortunately those making the rules are like everywhere else used to getting their own way and a few bob to write those rules in favor of the wealthier clubs, but this is an outrageous practice that has to end, as it puts the smaller clubs at a decided disadvantage .
    ah well !

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